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Ryan Gardner's avatar

This is exactly why resistance during the scamdemic was so challenging.

Although dissent was censored, that was not nearly as important as making dissent seem somehow improbable - and that was the most maddening aspect of the "groupthink" phenomenon.

More or less knew all this, but it's quite another when you add a "moral" or "superiority" component.

Real eye opener.

No's avatar

They shouted, "Trust the Science! "Gack!

I did trust science, which is why I never got the stroke poke.

Don't do your own research! Sorry, I always do, that's why I never took the clot shot.

You want people to die! Yes, especially the ones pushing the death jab.

Who are you to challenge the top scientists? Someone who five years later is a healthy pure blood, compared to your arrhythmic heart, ischemia addled brain and tinnitus blocked hearing.

They should have listened to me, but even now, they can't let go of the delusion.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly.

We KNOW masks work. We KNOW the jabs work. We KNOW lockdowns work. We KNOW social distancing works.

I challenge anyone to find a single clip from the MSM where "we know" wasnt the first thing mentioned by the commentor.

Most people fell for a junior-level salespersons "presumptive sell"

No's avatar

I walked around with a piece of graph paper with a quarter of a square, colored red, labeled "Cootie", and a nine square by nine square outline labeled " hole in your mask." Quarter of a micron cootie, can't get through a 81 square micron hole? People just stared uncomprehending, probably because their mask had cut off their oxygen supply.

Idiots abound!

Donna O's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣I wore a face shield to get into Costco since I’m claustrophobic. Going in once, a dear young man turned back and said, “Ma’am, that shield won’t protect you from Covid.” I smiled and replied, “Thank you for caring, but that mask won’t protect you either.”

Fred Richmond's avatar

As someone said, masks were like putting up a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes out.

Mosquitos being the state bird of Texas, that was my preferred analogy :). But "cooties" have a long and noble history, too!

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

What if the whole notion of "contagion" is also a misdirect. Because we know that infection and transmission is more complex than merely "exposure." Just as not all who wander are lost, not all who are exposed are infected.

Isabel Livieva's avatar

I thought cockroaches were the TX state bird.

Fred Richmond's avatar

To be fair, they alternate years....

Freedom Fox's avatar

I've always thought the term "groupthink" was a fundamentally flawed descriptor. Is really groupthink without the think.

Groups don't think anymore than schools of fish or flocks of birds think when they change direction. They all just do what each other does. No thinking required. A bit of a misnomer. How do those who think redirect the group that doesn't think when it's being misdirected?

I get as far as suggesting an ability to change the energetic motion from within the school or flock that involves a sufficient number of fish or birds to redirect that the rest follow them instead. I've not come up with the strategy for doing that. Other than growing our "thinking" numbers.

Pretty sure that's what Thomas Jefferson was getting at with his sentiments about an enlightened citizenry being indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Some other TJ quotes that may shine a light on the path we thinkers seek to follow:

https://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff1350.htm

Patrick Crebbin's avatar

" When you listen to fools, the mob rules" -Ozzie Osborne.

JSR's avatar

When flying I wore a lace piece of fabric dangling around my face.. annoyingly hysterical

Freedom Fox's avatar

I ate and spat sunflower seeds the entire flight. Eating meant nobody gave me a hard time for open face. On only one of my flights did the attendant come up midway through and tell me I had to finish up eating...which I ignored. One seed. Twenty seconds. Spit shell. Twenty seconds. Next seed. Twenty seconds. Spit shell....amazing how long I could stretch out a small bag.

JSR's avatar

Yes, we ate a lot too hahaha

Candy's avatar

My daughter-in-law found masks made of mesh fabric and we wore them to the kids’ basketball games. People looked at us and we smiled

Ray Bob's avatar

I did something similar , while replacing swimming pool screens , I cut myself out a little square mask attached two pieces of string to it and wore it around for quite a while. some people absolutely loved it, some people completely lost their minds. I made a point of trying to go around those people as much as I possibly could. I had one idiot at Home Depot attempt to throw me out of the store. I told him good luck and kept right on walking needless to say captain no balls just pouted cried and walked away and said he was calling the police to have me arrested needless to say they never showed up I went back the next day just to aggravate captain no balls and the day after and the day after eventually he just gave up I'm assuming he got fired or quit because somewhere along the line he disappeared

bara.ex.nihilo's avatar

This happened because the paradigm to "Trust the Experts" has been enshrined into the American Culture.

Dave Slough's avatar

Thankfully the “trust the experts” will never again be dogma for Americans

PRice's avatar

I especially liked the expert opinion that came out in late March 2020, that an absence of symptoms didn't mean that the person didn't have the virus. I had an AWFL coworker pull that on me in an effort to shut me up,

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

I challenge you to find a "unbiased objective study" that does not have that propaganda in the first two paragraphs.

Mitch's avatar

as a retired physician I knew masks didn't work, distancing would make no difference over time, lockdowns wouldn't help...so it wasn't a big step to challenge the experimental technology that never worked in animal testing, but somehow without decades of research was ready for everyone on the globe to get injected with.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

I don't want people to die, even the ones "pushing the death jab."

I don't like where that thinking takes me either.

I don't blame those indoctrinated, they had no chance. 24/7 propaganda with very little reprieve. When my doctor recommended the Covid-19 injection, I gave them a list of the reasons why I wasn't going to take it, and all they had were the talking points offered by the CDC, MSM, and government. I also think they never made eye contact with me when they delivered this news. I could be wrong on that though, memory is a funny thing.

Isabel Livieva's avatar

I know, once you’re wishing death on people you are a bit of a crazy extremist

No's avatar

When one has committed a genocide like Fauci, the only answer is the death penalty.

Ray Bob's avatar

I agree fauci deserves to be Absolutely destroyed, I think death would be Be too kind for him, Personally I feel everything he owns should be taken The only thing the man should ever have the rest of his existence on this Earth is a bright orange prison jumpsuit and his prison issue toothbrush, everything him and his wife And entire family who benefited from his fraud Anybody who benefited from be taken and sold and put into a fund for all the people who suffered from these shots, they should be made desolate and then homeless and he can sit on the corner with a sign begging for food the rest of his miserable existence on this planet we should make sure every day he spends is a living hell.

Isabel Livieva's avatar

Honestly you lose all of the reasonable people when you cry for death and genocide.

Just exposing his crimes is awful enough and certainly 30 years in prison is basically life for someone his age.

I’m not against death penalty but this a war for peoples hearts and minds. The important battle is getting the nice people to stop going along with an agenda that increasingly exposes itself as totalitarian.

The reasonable people are listening to reasonable doctors and lawyers like him.

Taking an extreme side only polarizes people, and paralyzes progress

No's avatar

Every single person who died from the cooties was deliberately murdered by Fauci.

He, and every single person on his team deserve more than the worst possible punishment than can realistically be given. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I volunteer to be in charge. I have a lot of ideas.

J Boss's avatar

If you right an ideological war without committing to winning,.those you do not want the wish death upon or kill will eventually kill you.

You are bringing a feather to a gun fight. They killed over a million people outright, another 10 million likely maimed or dying slowly. And you dont want to think bad thoughts.

Monsters are going to keep killing unless you kill the monsters.

Isabel Livieva's avatar

The so called monsters are 1% of the people. The ideological war concerns the 50% of “nice, reasonable” people in the middle. You need to focus on winning those minds. Being a violent extremist pushes those people away. Just expose the truth until that 50% is on your side. Just think about Jesus and the apostles did to win a world full of superstitious tribalist pagans to unite under Christendom. We are dealing with a bunch of superstitious tribalists. They need to find God.

No's avatar

The world would be vastly improved by the removal of that one percent.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

I disagree. And it's not a case of win or lose. People have died, or were injured throughout the pandemic, and the emotional and mental scars can be seen every day on Twitter. A masked selfie on X is a testament to the success of the propaganda. How can you declare a "win" when there are already casualties?

You don't have to kill people to defeat them. A large part of what they did was through fear and panic. Dismantle that fear and panic and they no longer have any power. You render them sterile.

And it's not a feather to a gun fight, but a pen to a sword fight.

As far as bad thoughts, who said anything about not having bad thoughts? The point is to actually fight our bad or horrible inclinations.

You don't have to kill monsters to render them ineffective. You can simply remove their masks, and shine lights upon them as they try to scurry back under the bed or whatever refrigerator they crawled out from under.

J Boss's avatar

I appreciate and respect your perspective, and long ago I agreed with it. And for the majority that behaved how I'd describe as "badly" on false beliefs or psychological manipulation, I still agree.

But for the actual monsters at the top that know they're killing and destroying people psychologically, the "shine a light on them is enough" argument seems like it would have zero lasting change impact.

For example, do you think pointing out what any tyrannical leader of a killing regime would stop them? Pol Pot? Mao? Hitler? Stalin? Fauci? If we shown a light on them, they'd most likely just kill everyone shining the light.

Some wars require more of an eye for an eye response to cut off the head of the snake. I think this is one. Not for the followers that got caught up in the hysteria, but definitely for the architects and leaders of the war that knew what they were doing all along.

If we're speaking of the "generals" conducting the war, and it IS a war, then we have to respond with what they understand: violent force. After all, they're more than happy to do it to most of humanity. If we do not, and we do not fully eliminate those that believe the same as they do, it will go underground and surface again later, just as it did here. Many of the leaders here are descendants of leaders of Russia's Bolshevik Revolution (1917, look at Schumer's family tree and a New York banker in particular) and Germany (look at Bush family tree - Prescott came over to start a bank during WW II to ensure survival of their kind). The nuts didn't fall far from the tree. We have to eliminate the thinking just as they think they need to eliminate OUR thinking. Or to paraphrase a leftist comment about Trump, we have to crush them so their kind doesn't dare rise again.

My two cents worth. I sincerely hope you're right and I am at least mostly wrong. I just doubt it based on decades of learning and centuries of history.

But, again, thank you for your insights. I will keep my eyes and mind open to look for your far better perspective.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

I also appreciate and respect your perspective, and regardless, you have every right to your thoughts and welcome you expressing them even as I disagree in places. And I also agree with you that for those that "knew" what they were doing, they should face consequences. There should be a trial. The mere fact that Fauci was preemptively pardoned by an autopen declaration speaks volumes. There should be an investigation and “due process”. And pre eminent among those questions should be the determination if he knew what he was doing. If there is something that I can do to that end, a petition to sign, something that I can donate to to expedite that process, I’ll do it.

At the same time, he has exuded some interesting peculiarities that would suggest mental illness. For instance, his ideas concerning handshakes and sexual practices intimate germaphobia. And his about-face on masking suggests a fluid morality/lack of conviction. Only those that are his followers believe that his reasoning behind his masking policy was due to “lack of PPE for medical professionals.

If he didn’t know what he was doing, he should be remanded to an institution for the criminally insane. The amount of times Fauci responded "I don't know" in deposition alone speaks to his competence level. Shouldn't someone who is a highly paid public health official "know" things? (For the record, I don’t believe he didn’t know things.)

I don't think Fauci is the head of the snake, any more than any of the consensus science acolytes that went along to get along during Covid. The very institutions of higher learning and public health bear some of the burden for what happened. There needs to be a questioning of everything. The old wineskins need to be tested. virology, vaccinology among them.

While I said he is not the head of the snake, he is definitely one of the more visible heads, and his trial will put others on notice. And such a trial would also show the many indoctrinated that one of their cult leaders of "The Science™" is now going to have to face the legal method for his adulteration of the scientific method.

This whole idea of "we have to respond to them in ways they understand," no we don't. If you are threatened with violence, you have every right to defend yourself. I am for that, as well as for interceding on the helpless. At the same time, and this is part of the problem, people had every right to resist, question, and otherwise stop themselves from being injected. It's ironic that I imagine a major determinant in their reasons for getting injected was derangement over the person who ushered in Operation Warp Speed.

Very often on X, the standard answer from those who fell in with the narrative is that "no one was forced" and that is true in the sense that very few people's lives were threatened directly. But freedom of movement, assembly, travel, access, was restricted. If you take away what makes life worth living, are you in essence taking their life. Those prisoners in Gulag Archipelago had their lives taken from them as well. For those that complied with the hospital protocols of isolating the vulnerable from their loved ones…their hospitalization became their gulag, and they were subjected to the actions fueled by fear of those health professionals trusted with their care.

I have heard and watched many family members videos of those who watched their injected relatives die, as well as those who were subjected to the horrible hospital protocols in 2020. I don’t know how far and prevalent it was, but think that anytime new treatments were employed for a cold and flu, some element of complicity sets in. “I was only following orders” works as well for 2020 as it did for any atrocity inflicted upon those who placed their trust into their hands.

As far as eliminating evil, it will always go underground and return, because it exists in all of us.

Fauci never actually ordered others to hold people down and inject them with an experimental "vaccine." He didn't physically force anyone to wear masks. He also (i believe) understood how effective the Asch experiment was. I believe people were forced into taking the injection because they saw any alternative as certain death and failure. He definitely admitted he wanted to make the lives of the unmasked and uninfected as inconvenient as possible.

Worse still, many were indoctrinated and had. Their compassion was weaponized. It was good to make this small sacrifice for a disease that could kill the most vulnerable. The problem is that the disease killing the most vulnerable is the very one that kills us all, age and bad health.

I am willing to concede a certain naivety in my way of thinking. When asked if I would take the Covid injection back in 2022, I gave a list of reasons why. The first two being that the disease wasn’t that bad to begin with, and that the vaccine was released in less than a year from disease to distribution. I stated I would wait three years at least to determine what, if any, side effects/long-term effects there were. I said this with no intention of taking the injection.

It may be well past the point of no return, but I would rather have a divorce from those who believe more government is better. Let their experiment in more government intrusion continue. I’ll take less government over more any day of the week.

No's avatar

You're a better person than me, Jimmy.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

I'm not, though. I just know it can't end well.

I have wish fulfillment fiction as much as anyone. I started writing a short story called "Prime Adherent" where the people that made all these ridiculous restrictions were the ones that had to adhere to them all, every single one of them. So masks, social distancing, no large gatherings, constantly tested, cannot travel, quarantined to their homes. They would have to adhere to them all the time. And there would be cameras on them 24/7, so there would be no "what they are like when the cameras are no longer rolling."

They would also have to be subjected to the propaganda, stickers, lines, passports, signage, PSA's. The only entertainment they could see would be the stuff pumped out while the restrictions were part of everyday life. This was their new normal, they accepted it, so they would welcome it, yes?

They would also, if they got anywhere in the vicinity of sick, have been subjected to the same protocols as someone who went to the hospital for a foot infection and tested positive for Covid.

And they could escape their prison with one caveat: they had to admit wrongdoing and show actual contrition for what they had done. The hope is from the audience's perspective that they could admit this.

But many of us know that this would be a bridge too far.

Donna O's avatar

No jabs here, but the last Covid infection left me with a lot of tinnitus.

JC's avatar

30% DMSO with castor oil, 4-6 drops per ear.

Continue to treat until it resolves.

Good for ear wax, too. (I've been meaning to try, but haven't mixed it up yet)

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

Have you eliminated all other probable sources of tinnitus?

Donna O's avatar

Haven’t looked into it, but the timing was right. Something about this last Omicron strain was different enough to make me think it was tinkered with. I lost about 1/3 of my hair like I did with the 2021 Covid. The other Omicrons were just short lived colds.

Isabel Livieva's avatar

I think it’s your immune system. You need to go off all grains, sugar, processed food and cow dairy. Fast and eat more probiotics. Vitamin D and more exercise. Get to it Donna!!!

Donna O's avatar

My immune system is generally good. Didn’t catch flu from hubs and haven’t had my usual sinus infections for 2 years. Eat pretty healthy—lots of fresh veggies, very little fried foods, good variety, lots of supplements. I’m lactose intolerant, so very little dairy. Definitely not into removing whole categories of foods. Sugar is my weakness, tho.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

The problem is that in all this "strain" talk of the different variants and iterations of the "disease." No one has actually directly isolated it or any other virus from a human host. They remove "allegedly virus contained infected samples" and then inject them into other cells and further treat that with cow serum.

TriTorch's avatar

The danger of the crowned virus was never more than an invisible notion: no more threatening than climate change or middle eastern terrorism. But just like these forbearers because it went unseen it was everywhere: in every corner, on every surface, in every breath; and it was also nowhere. It was simultaneously disease and death and neither. It was capable of anything and nothing, depending on your point of view.

Like terrorism and climate change, it was a virus of the mind.

"Yossarian comes to realize that Catch-22 does not actually exist, but because the powers that be claim it does, and the world believes it does, it nevertheless has potent effects. Indeed, because it does not exist there is no way it can be repealed, undone, overthrown, or denounced. The combination of force with specious & spurious legalistic justification is one of the book's primary motifs." —Catch 22 Synopsis

...And so the future for all was splintered and shattered on the rocks of destiny over a lowly notion of danger, and all of those cast out pages, once brimming with promise and potential, are instead teaming with dread, conformity, gullibility & cowardice masquerading as virtue, and irreparable arrested development.

Bill Bradford's avatar

Thought experiment: Is Santa Claus, & presents from Santa Claus, real or not? Remember, every Christmastime, 20,000 men get paid to dress up as Santa Claus. How can you say that Santa isn't real? See where I'm going with this? Maybe the Covid1984 bug is a present from Santa Claus....?

TriTorch's avatar

More likely COVID1984 was a deliberate attack from the "race to 5G" network they installed all over the world as fast as they could:

Dr. Tom Cowan: 5G Radio Frequency and the COVID-19 Connection: https://old.bitchute.com/video/LY6dTOr8PW7s [10mins]

Bill Bradford's avatar

It was just a "blip" in the media, but I clearly recall making a mental note of the fact that one of the first fully "5G" cities in China was Wuhan....

JC's avatar

Test against the horrific problems in Italy and New York. IIRC, 5G, too - but I can't remember now. It's been a hard 5 years.

Awilson's avatar

Cause, meet effect.

Epaminondas's avatar

I'm not sure improbable is the right word. They simply made dissent incredibly costly by imposing social, then economic, then finally legal punishment to suppress people. This is the classic playbook of authoritarians everywhere.

The "moral" component was certainly there, though. I think one of the reasons why there are still COVID diehards is that they can't overcome their massive cognitive dissonance. They were so certain that they were so much smarter and more moral than those who opposed the now disproven pandemic policies that their egos simply can't handle the truth.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

This speculation often leads to ad hominem territory. I think there are perfectly good reasons why they still hold on, even ones that are worth merit. The beauty of the propaganda was that it weaponized the very best of intentions. But unfortunately, it was predicated on a sandcastle of lies.

In. their minds, the pandemic policies were never disproven, but rather now, they are being lied to. You know, just now, they weren't lying before, only now are they lying.

And this illustrates a very important point to me...can you point to when they were not lying? Are you sure?

bara.ex.nihilo's avatar

It was so much easier when you discovered it was a lie at the beginning, like I did.

We knew the truth about hydroxychloriquin and watching Fauci dismiss 2 published studies as "anecdotal" lifted the veil.

Others would call it "changing the paradigm" but nonetheless it was Authoritarianism veiled as LOVE.

Truth stands up to challenge.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

This is a very good point. The sunk costs fallacy is a real thing

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

It's not so much as a discovery, but disappointment that so many fell for it. For those of us already schooled to the scam, we couldn't help but see it. We were told already what to think and feel, by institutions that wanted to sell us something that just wasn't so. 2016 on was turning the volume up to 11, but it had existed before that.

Pete's avatar

The preposterous "climate crisis" lie was a test run to see what level of nonsense people would believe. That was so successful they thought they could get away with anything since people were so gullible.

Gaye's avatar

Yeah that and flu shots were training wheels.

Pete's avatar

Few people know that multiple studies show flu shots increase your risk of getting sick by dysregulating the innate immune response. They can reduce the absolute risk of getting the flu they guess will dominate by 5% at the expense of making you more vulnerable to everything else that is out there.

Isabel Livieva's avatar

It was so much easier when I just trusted the advice to quarantine. life was so peaceful for a couple months. Then I started to question and the traffic came back

Gaye's avatar

The virtue component was powerful for the sweet sheep as a prop for “science.” But as Jessica Hockett chirped way back on Twitter, “And if science is really on your side, do you need appeals to virtue?”

They really went to a lot of trouble to tighten the net, and were just whisker short of making dissent not just “improbable,” but criminal. Like MSM, we really cannot hate them enough.

Tardigrade's avatar

It was made criminal in some places.

Gaye's avatar

I was pretty sure since social media posts can, in some places, now buy you a stint in the pokey. Why not refusal of a poke? Jackasses.

Bare-Faced Plague-Spreader's avatar

Hard to dissent if you are perceived as one of a few voices screaming into a hurricane of fear and panic. It would be like being on a plane that has never left the ground, with a loud blaring engine, an engaged hydraulic lift, and passengers who see a panoramic imax screen of plummeting into the ground, and subjected to "smoke in the fuselage" and a fan blowing arctic air mimicking depressurization, and you are the one person in the group who looked out on the plane wing to see a guy spotted barely visible underneath the wing standing on a plexiglass screen showing you a rapidly zooming in ground.

Tim R's avatar

It was a giant Stanford Prison Experiment. The Covidians/Jabbed were told they were the guards and the dissenters (us) were the prisoners. And they inflicted increasing levels of pain on us. Some knew they were wrong. Some didn't. They didn't care. Their groupthink and biases did them in. But, as gato so eloquently points out, none are immune. I point my bullshit meter at everything, including gato, and especially including myself.

Bill Bradford's avatar

WOW. Your comment just opened a NEW window in my mind....

"The Stanford Prison-Covid1984 Plandemic Scamdemic" PSY OP.....um, I mean MISO....

Paul's avatar

We had a meeting with our engineering group this morning and they were talking about ethics... project teams and the majority are P.Engs... They are talking about personal ethics vs. corporate ethics and I just had to laugh... After all the shots and the damage they could do, I had to laugh AT them due to their hypocrisy...

Mitch's avatar

it just goes to show that even people who are contrarian all the time have a role to play in life. When we really needed more people to stand up and say "all of this is total bullshit and I don't give an F what you call me..." those people suddenly are heroes. It's all part of God's bigger plans that we aren't privy too.

Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

"it becomes so intractable because you’re not even really arguing with people, you’re arguing with perceptive bias carefully grown and cultured by societal, political, and media sorting engines and rarified into unassailable confidence in tenets that are sheltered from any dissenting information."

You cannot reason with a demoralized person. NPC programming is strong. We are seeing a live experiment of this at Trump Derangement Substack, which is highly profitable: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/trump-derangement-substack-correspondents-dinner

Ryan Gardner's avatar

The whole problem with these people is they are more willing to blindly trust each other in the tribe than to judge themselves. If you can not judge your SELF, you can not judge FOR yourself because the tribe itself is the "judge" of "self"; it IS self.

That's a lot easier to do than admit a "mistake" like gato did with Jasmine Crockett.

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

Profound! Sums up political bias and religious bias. Add corporate culture into the mix with marketing and here we are. But that still does not reveal the wizard(s) behind the curtain.

"How did you find yourself this morning? I just rolled back the sheet and there I was."

Pete's avatar

"But that still does not reveal the wizard(s) behind the curtain."

The historical documentation of who they are is on a big screen for anyone willing to look past the smokescreen of psyops conspiracy wacko shaming.

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

Yup! But how many bother to look? More now since the scamdemic, though.

Wise Old Woman in the Woods's avatar

It is an update to the Emperor Has No Clothes. The Emperor secretly knows he has no clothes on but his admirers believes he does.

Navyo Ericsen's avatar

This tribal allegiance, loyalty (and protection) was exactly what the media exploited.

¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

What's not to love about Michael Moore having the 2nd-most free subscribers and the LEAST paid subscribers, of your list.

Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

Omg!! I laughed & laughed & laughed!! Brilliant!!

Perry Simms's avatar

If you fancy yourself a connoisseur of something like, say, beer or wine or whatnot, you can easily do a blind taste test, if you have a friend or acquaintance who can serve you the product in numbered containers.

I was very surprised to find that one of my favorites was the cheapest beer, which I thought I didn't like.

As soon as I drank from the regular bottle, it tasted 'bad' again.

Urs Broderick Furrer's avatar

My friends tried that to me at a party at a club several years ago. They took one of my nice wine glasses and filled it to the same level I would with a run of the mill crappy cabernet. Despite being multiple drinks in, I tasted it and said this is crap. Sometimes you can discern reality. The problem of course is that sometimes is not always.

Perry Simms's avatar

Yeah with wines there are such vast gulfs. I did manage to correctly identify about half the beer brands, if I recall correctly.

And what a cool name you have!

Urs Broderick Furrer's avatar

Exact, and thanks! My parents get the credit 🤣

LP's avatar

Confession: I used to routinely put inexpensive gin into an empty Bombay Sapphire bottle (which was a bit upscale for my budget). Not to fool anyone but myself; but that cheap gin acquired an instant flavor upgrade as soon as it hit that fancy blue bottle!

Urs Broderick Furrer's avatar

But cheap gin just tastes terrible! 🤣

LP's avatar

Lol you just need a fancier bottle to put it in! Disclaimer: this is not guaranteed to work with truly rotgut gin. I'm talking mid-grade, not bottom-shelf.

Urs Broderick Furrer's avatar

I only wish I could not tell the difference between good and mediocre wine. I’d have saved a fortune over the last thirty years!

CaliforniaLost's avatar

Way back in the late 80s, my room at the fraternity house had a big bar in the corner and my roommates and I had our friends who were bartenders bring us empty top shelf bottles, which we promptly refilled with the cheapest rotgut booze. The ladies all thought we were so classy.

"You guys actually have a 18 yearold Macallan and Balvenie whiskeys?" Yes, yes we did. :)

LP's avatar

😂😂 That is fantastic.

Rikard's avatar

Any kind with malört in it! (wormwood).

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

Classically, Aquavit is potato or grain whiskey that has been developed and aged in barrels in the hulls of freight ships traveling around the world. Now it is done in distilleries. When drinking, it is often placed in a small glass or shotglass and a match is lit to symbolically burn off some of the alcohol (blue flame) before drinking. That is how my father always did it.

Ryan Gardner's avatar

Same thing with Costco's single-malt scotch. The bottle is twice as big and it's a 24 year old batch that sells for $80 compared to a 17 year old Balvenie or Macallan that sells for over $300 that's half the size.

AM Schimberg's avatar

Costco has some really decent liquor!

Perry Simms's avatar

Glad to see you still kickin' Ryan.

I'm just listening to Stephan Kinsella and Jeff Deist rn. You might enjoy it too.

https://mises.org/podcasts/human-action-podcast/rothbards-ethics-liberty-stephan-kinsella

ThePossum  🇬🇧's avatar

Branding represents the proxy for the meaning of the self. The Palessi experiment in the article is the perfect encapsulation of offloading critical assessments. Yes, low stakes, but wow super illuminating.

Katy Marriott's avatar

I remember reading about an experiment where the subjects were given different amounts of vodka to test their capacity. They duly got drunk as skunks and had a great time.

Except that it wasn't vodka, but a non-alcoholic substitute.

Jean James's avatar

So my husband is a ketchup connoisseur and I did the same exact thing, a taste test between his popular, nasty, overprocessed ketchup vs. an organic local ketchup. The organic local ketchup won, but he wanted to see that other ketchup label on the table in front of him, regardless of taste! 🙄

George Conrad Dick's avatar

You will find those most resistant to take blind taste tests are those subject to mind control from "experts". Should we feel sorry for these poor suckered, or condemn them?

Vxi7's avatar

I think taste is also a skill what you have or have not. Most people don't have it and can be easily manipulated.

No's avatar

It's a constant challenge to live among those devoted tribalists who refuse to even try to open their eyes. Suggest anything that doesn't come straight from CNN and the eyes roll, the tongues cluck, and you are dismissed as a "dark webb" conspiracy kook.

I find myself staying home a lot. My dog is a better conversationalist than the average democrat or even republican. Doesn't say much, but he never lies, is is almost never wrong.

Squirrel!

Liz LaSorte's avatar

Epictetus said, "Wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants."

If we all followed that advice, it would not matter what we see and don’t see, because we would not want it in the first place.

Perry Simms's avatar

A man once mocked Diogenes, saying: "If you served the king as I do you could eat steak and not lentils."

To which Diogenes replied: "I choose to eat lentils, so that I do not need to serve the king."

TriTorch's avatar

Evita Ochel said it best: Until you realize how easy it is for your mind to be manipulated, you will remain a pawn in someone else's game.

Manipulation And Control - Will You Be A Victim: https://old.bitchute.com/video/jMao6kKfhu7A [23mins] <--- This one is a must see on this subject if you haven't already cat.

Dan's avatar

"walking meatbags governed by 3 pounds of cholesterol wrapped fats and proteins sitting behind imperfect eyes and ears that fill it with lossy and assumptive perception"

El Gato, you _definitely_ have a way with words!

:bows:

BioMedWorks's avatar

Yes indeed, and I learned a new word from this clever kitty, "lossy" !

lossy

adjective

Of a communication channel, subject to loss of signal strength. Of an electricity transmission line, subject to various forms of power loss. Reducing the amount of information in data.

Laura Kragie MD. biomedworks.substack.com

The King's avatar

Also applies to photographs. In photography, "lossy" refers to a method of compressing digital images where some image data is permanently discarded to reduce file size.

SCA's avatar

Well, I had no trouble waiting for the gorilla to appear because I gave up on counting early. I knew something was gonna disrupt it...

Something I always thought admirable about the GOP side, despite never once having ever voted for a Republican until The Great Tuesday of the Fuck All This Shit, was the rebelliousness of the Tea Party-descended members who were always thwarting the consensus aims of the Same Old Bastards. That behavior has always been greatly mocked by political commentators who'd point to Mafia Nancy's control of her members and the lockstep she magicked them into.

And these same commentators point gleefully to the squabblings and sometimes mud-wrestling to the somewhat death within Trump's camp and likewise I say thank God there's the vigorous contesting of ideas and real tough personalities fighting for them.

The most insidious thing done to society right now has been the removal of basic biological helpers from interactions between live people. Online dating? When you can't smell them? Online learning, when body language is constrained?

And those are the more benign situations. But all civilizational institutions are designed to crush your instincts and make you follow the leader. We're just in tech-aided times for that.

baker charlie's avatar

Thanks for mentioning smell, LOL. It's one of my highest criteria in dating...

SCA's avatar

It was exactly the criterion that enabled me to snag the Golden Sperm.

Luke's avatar

My mom used to read to me. One of my favorite books was the Disney version of The Emperors New Clothes. I was probably only 2-4 years old at the time. I insisted the book keep being read until I could read to myself.

The book left a mark. One that I suppressed until 2020. At least I am wise enough now not to go crazy. I have come to realize it’s all just part of the damn game.

LP's avatar

"having "our tribe" (inasmuch as it is one)

constitute a big, rambunctious, unruly family full of confrontation, dispute, and variance is a great gift"....You nailed that, Gato. And the key point in that sentence is that *our* "unruly [substack] family" is still *speaking* to each other, despite our disagreements. Unlike many of our real families, where the disagreeing sides are separated by rage, disdain, and contempt. So sad, so unproductive.

bara.ex.nihilo's avatar

I found that using the internet for such discussions made it so much easier to be objective through the machine because we do not truly know each other nor are we in proximity.

Having another excoriate your perspective is easier to handle because of this situation. If this happened in person....well you know how it would go.

And so I find this tool is the best mechanism for listening to differences and sorting things out rather than the in person discussions.

The other tool is to shut it all down and live without it for a few days. It refreshes my soul, making easier to see the BS.

Eidein's avatar

> on the arm of a fancy lady on rodeo drive, it’s real. held by a hillbilly hairdresser, it’s fake.

I suck at dating. I've been unsingle for a grand total of 5 months since turning 30 more than half a decade ago.

One piece of feedback I'm consistently given by well-meaning friends is, essentially, that I should dress my age. I need to present myself in business casual attire so people know I make 200k a year, and don't dismiss me out of hand.

And my response to that has always been: yeah, but, I don't know how to present myself like that, I just know how to buy those clothes and look very uncomfortable in them.

Essentially, I am the hillbilly hairdresser, so I'm not going to bother buying the fancy bag because even if it's real, nobody's gonna think it's real. So your logic checks out

JC's avatar

Here's the thing. So many people are - fake! Caught up in that illusion. Do you really want them as a mate?

The ones who see you for who you are, are the ones you want to attract.

Here's where I'm gonna go woo on you: Open up your heart, it is an electromagnetic field, and when your heart is clear, it will attract. And attract. And attract - and only attract the quality that your heart resonance is offering.

It's a little time consuming, and requires self-work (a clear heart is a Masterclass). But here's an element of hope. After dismal failures in love (my mother's strategies were hugely unsuccessful for me!) - in my 40's, I found a true love companion. I was early 40's, he was late 40's. 25 years later, we are doing quite well.

Never give up.

Artemus Gordon's avatar

Thanks Gato. I've read Kahneman's book which I immediately thought of while reading your article. Kahneman states even knowing about how his/our minds work he still makes the mistakes (well, he's dead now but when he was alive!) and is subject to the same biases and hard wired processes. We cannot be on all the time questioning every piece of information we take in, we would go insane. We need to pick our battles when it comes to analysis. Ensuring the accuracy of every data byte gets difficult when writing something and you have a deadline to fill. People who don't write don't understand the amount of work it takes to be accurate and make sense and stay on track. For everyday life, there are at least a couple of adages I try to remember, "If it looks too good to be true it probably is" and from Twain, "The trouble with the world is not that people know too little; it's that they know so many things that just aren't so."

Pete's avatar

Best to assume everything is a lie or projection if you don't have time to fact check information. It usually is. That is a way to limit bias and stay with what is real from personal experience which is an infinitesimal slice of reality.

Eidein's avatar

> the reality does not matter.

> it’s all context.

> this plays out in astonishing ways in real life.

This is true story. It's going to sound like a joke, but it really happened. I wrote about it in my new blog (different substack username, DM if you want to check it out; I'm trying to make it a little difficult for people to trace me through the internet)

I was recently back in Canada visiting family, and, given current US/CA politics, Canadians have opinions as strong as they are disconnected from reality.

At one point, my uncle (a self-indentified communist, I found out in that conversation) went on a mini rant about me living in Texas and how everyone who chooses to live in Texas is a quote "white christian fascist".

I didn't want to cause a fight with my family, but I also didn't much appreciate being called a Nazi to my face by a direct blood relative. And also I was really stoned, because Canada. So instead, I made a joke:

"Yeah, man, it's bad in Texas. They lynched 14 blacks last weekend alone"

MY UNCLE THOUGHT I WAS SERIOUS, TOOK IT AT FACE VALUE, AND DIDN'T EVEN QUESTION THE STATISTIC.

Just consider this for a second. "Fourteen innocent black men were hanged in the middle of downtown Austin last Friday". Don't you think if that happened, you might have read about it in the news? Since, you know, murder is illegal. Don't you think that, if that happened, maybe police would intervene in the murder of 14 innocent people, and maybe shoot some of the people tying nooses? Like Jesus Christ, Jussie Smollet _fakes_ this _not_ happening to him (he never alleged that they tried to kill him), and the fucking president talks about it. But I just casually slip in "yeah we just murder innocent black people for fun every weekend" AND MY UNCLE BELIEVES IT.

Because the reality does not matter. It's all context

Alex Rayman's avatar

Part of the problem here I think is that if the claims about Crockett were valid, they would not seem an aberration. BIden’s influence peddling, Pelosi’s insider trading, Bernie does actually have multiple homes I believe, BLM founder grabs the money and buys ridiculous home in gated community…

JC's avatar

Yes, it was quite believable, wasn't it? I mean the House & Senate have some pretty impressive portfolios, eh?

VikingMom's avatar

Thirty plus years ago, my husband and I were in Whistler for a weekend getaway. There was a trendy new bar opening in the Village Square called "Tommy Africa's" and as we were sitting on the patio of a restaurant having chips and drinks, a "gorilla" walked though the crowd handing out flyers to promote the bar. There were a couple of families, not ten feet away from us, discussing where they wanted to go to dinner. Their small son, who was probably three or four, saw the gorilla walking by and desperately tried to get the attention of a grown-up but they were engrossed in their conversation and kept shushing him, until the gorilla was out of sight. When they finally decided to listen to him, he tried to tell them what he had seen and they scolded him for interrupting them with wild tales! My husband stepped up and told them that he was NOT lying and explained what had happened, but they all appeared more irritated with him (and us) than anything else!

We had a two year old at home and we resolved at that moment to always do our best to pay attention to him when he was trying to tell us something important. Every now and then, when someone is being rude or dismissive to us, we will just look at each other and say, "But there really was a gorilla!" And then we just laugh at them and they have no idea why....

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

As a kid of 12 I watched the Kennedy assassination on school TV. = Rogue loner with a rifle in the school depository. Soon after the Zapruder film, the Ruby assassination, nothing added up. Skepticism firmly implanted in my young mind. years earlier in Sunday school we learned the 10 Commandments and "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" made me ask if that meant there are other gods? = Not well received!

Now as I watched early footage of the Ukraine war and saw tanks moving in the desert, or through snow in summer, saw planes shot down but with the identical smoke trail for each one, fast forward to the Houthi air strikes in the Red Sea and I see jets from the Vietnam era and wonder if any of this is real or is it all video game footage.

I might as well believe that the twin towers on 9-11 were stomped to the ground by King Kong, because there are so many theories about the "truth" of that day as well. El Gato's 1 video of selective seeing is the tell.