this stage of the pandemic is really one of the more mystifying parts. if you listen closely, you can hear the popping of burning wires.
i got vaccinated.
i got covid.
i got really sick.
thank goodness i got vaccinated!
you should get vaccinated too!
i mean, at a certain point you’re thanking your lucky rabbit foot for keeping you from having lost your gold fillings on top of your wristwatch last poker night…
it’s like the last vestiges of observational capability have finally been beaten out of a meaningful portion of the population.
truly, we have entered the post rational world of the unfalsifiable claim.
“it would have been worse if i had not!”
it’s such a wonderful meme. so pervasive. so persuasive. and so totally, utterly impervious to contradiction.
it’s the perfect brainworm to justify what you did.
you can show them all the societal data you like about higher rates of hospitalization this year than last in groups that were 95%+ vaccinated.
it does not matter. no aggregate data can refute any individual belief about one specific datapoint among many.
“i’m sure it helped.”
this belief lets anyone feel good about vaccination and boosting even as they fall ill.
it literally turns the contraction of covid by vaccinated people into the belief that covid vaccines worked for them.
this may be the most successful piece of product positioning in human history.
cognitive bias becomes cognitive dissonance becomes an iron bar certainty that your virtuous behavior saved you.
as a perfect pathway to self justification and validation of priors, it’s near 100% effective if you simply believe hard enough.
the alternative is admitting that you were played for a chump. people are highly averse to such conclusions.
of course, spotting the chump is easy:
ask such a person what would convince them that the vaccine did not prevent covid from being worse.
see if they have an answer.
if they do not, well, then it’s pure presumption.
that which cannot be falsified cannot be proven either.
bingo. chumpitude verified.
and boy do people not want things proven.
we’ve reached the point where agencies will no longer publish objective data because it does not support their conclusions.
“we cannot provide data because people might analyze it!” is not much of a mantra, is it?
How does one counter the ‘but variants’ narrative? I’ve heard from so many believers that everything - masks, lockdowns, vaccines would have worked but for variants.
When I point out that vaccine evading variants can only exist if there’s a vaccine - I get blank looks.
Yup. Geert Vanden Bossche has been totally vindicated on these points he's been making since the beginning of the #scamdemic. Every prediction made has come true. It's really just biology 101 selective adaptation at work. If people would just stop & think for a few minutes on this perhaps basic common sense would kick in and the light bulb would turn on. But no. Best to listen to the Fauci's of the world.
-->"If people would just stop & think for a few minutes on this perhaps basic common sense would kick in and the light bulb would turn on."
Nope. I'm afraid the light is on, but no one is at home. In this Orwellian world, the public watches their telescreen, absorbs the messaging (propaganda), participates in the daily two-minutes-of-hate (cancel culture), and goes back to whatever they were doing...
We're damn lucky we got omicron. Imagine if we'd gotten something just as contagious, but deadlier than delta. It was fully within the realm of possible (cf. Marek's disease).
I feel this is what's in store for Fall 2022. I.e. an IFR of approx. 1% (C19 settled in at 0.15% per Iaonnidis and others). All the narrative around changing 'fully vaccinated' to 'up to date'. And the fact that they are all repeating the 'gosh darn it doesn't stop spreading or getting it' combined with Gates 'we did a really good job of reducing symptoms, now we just need one that blocks transmission'. The masses will be clamoring to 'update their subscription', continue the literal virtue signaling (posting their fat faces on IG with their Green pass and thumbs up), and amplify the 'I'm doing my part' yet again.
Not a smart person but do use my limited critical thinking, why on earth you'd use something that would have taken for years to be appeared "safe.", but something totally new on human to be "safe and effective" in less than a year of development, allegedly? Fear is the ultimate weapon, and the anticipation of fear is the driver. Nice work by those "people"
I always thought that omicron was released on purpose, although I still haven’t figured out why they would orchestrate that. Isn’t it a great grandmother of delta, not a great granddaughter?
My initial theory was they wanted to “vaccinate” the obedient vaccinated so they would be protected when they release the really deadly next variant. They definitely need to eliminate those of us who remain unvaxxed and in the “control group”. The sheeple would mostly survive the next deadly variant because they had omicron and the unvaxxed would be gone so that they don’t have any resistance against carrying out the rest of their evil plan. I’m not as confident with this theory now, though, and mould love to hear what other SubStackers are thinking.
I've been trying to puzzle this out too. How about this: they needed a milder wave of illness so they could say, "Hey, the jabs work, people aren't dying as much anymore!"
The fact that unjabbed people also get omi & it is less serious can easily be fudged over in the figures, the way they are doing all the other magic with the figures.
In Australia, when jabbed people die it is always because they didn't get boosted yet. That is a story that can be kept going for quite a while longer!
I guess I was thinking that maybe there was something in the jabs that would protect the vaccinated from the new frankenvariant, over and above natural immunity or maybe the majority of the unjabbed have no natural immunity (like me?). As I said, I can't figure out why they released omicron so I'm looking for theories that make more sense than mine?
Except that markers appear to be more of an ADE issue than an OAS issue. Omicron appears to infect vaccinated people at greater rates, more easily, than unvaccinated. However, it doesn't appear to have any worse outcomes for the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. In other words, it appears to be able to elude antibodies upon initial infection in the vaccinated better but ultimately both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are able to mount similarly effective immune responses to recover after symptomatic infection.
I'm not talking in terms of proof because we do not have proof of ADE or OAS in this particular instance. What we have are signals, but I'm not sure when you say "the case on OAS is pretty well established and the case for ADE seems speculative at best" you're talking about in this specific instance or in general immunological terms. If it's the latter, I'm afraid that's dead wrong and backwards. ADE is an established immunological fact and OAS is mostly theory from what I can tell, which doesn't mean it's not real.
I recommend going over to Unglossed and reading Brian Morey about this.
Is that so? From what I have read, the vaccinated, particularly the triple vaccinated, were more likely to have symptomatic infections which suggests unvaccinated immune systems had a better mucosal response to prevent any significant viral load building up and quickly were able to stop viral reproduction. This would be due to T Cell response (cell busters) rather than antibodies (virus busters) which deal with circulating virus not virus embedded in cells - the virus factories. Doesn’t it suggest that vaccinated immune systems became preoccupied with making antibodies (OAS) rather than effective T Cells, or producing T Cells which remembered the original protein spike so were ineffective against Omicron. Antibodies are important to outcome but play little part in onset. If you don’t get the disease presence or not of antibodies is irrelevant. I am not an ‘expert’, just following the logic.
It stands to reason that if you are more likely to be infected at all, you'd also be more likely to be symptomatically infected. So not sure that can automatically be attributed to a superior mucosal response or just regular probability. Also not sure that a weaker first line of defense is a characteristic of OAS, but it is of ADE. I'm also not sure OAS (immune imprinting) is actually a thing beyond theory. Brian Mowrey over at Unglossed makes some smart and well supported arguments that it's not actually a thing. ADE is definitely a real thing, though not enough known if that's happening with these vaccines or not. Some signals to worry about though.
All that said, the data I'm aware of related to Omicron shows an infection affinity for vaccinated immunity but haven't seen evidence it also results in higher hospitalization and death rates for the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. If immune imprinting is real, I would expect vaxxed immunity (no natural immunity before vax) to suffer the worst hospitalization and death outcomes on an IFR basis. Vaxxed who were "imprinted" with natural immunity prior to being vaxxed should be similar or same as unvaxxed. And a booster should not make things worse, since the immune response should be based on first / original immune response, not boostered immune response. The fact that the greater the dose of vaccine, the more susceptible to infection and/or illness feels more inline with ADE to me. But I'm no medical expert. I'm just an analyst in a completely different field who has read a lot and tried to understand what I can about this whole fiasco of a public heath response our benevolent public health "experts" have foisted upon us.
Yes, that’s supported by the wide range of T-cells induced by the Chinese vaccine vs little & narrow repertoire from genetic vaccines.
Imo nobody should have been vaccinated but instead used effective safe early treatments https://c19early.com/
The time required to obtain evidence of adequate safety Of a novel vaccine is longer than any reasonable expectation of a pandemic. Nobody should ASSUME anything about safety, especially new technologies. Evidence trumps opinion all day.
I take IVM when traveling and more so last year. Now I keep it on hand. Those closest to me would rather quote the media about the dangers of IVM. IVM is a medicine in my cabinet along with many other OTC pills.
And there appears to be an unlimited supply of people in this 5%. How else do we explain a pandemic of the unvaccinated that persists month after month.
Exactly this !! Supposedly 10% unvxd in Canada where I am spreading it all the time... where are they, who are they ? .... not one vax zealot can explain it to me.
Even the CDC, if you dig deep enough in its weekly report, it will tell you only 5% died FROM Covid, not with Covid. It was around 6% (5.8 to be exact) in Aug 2020.
The range of annual flu death, in the US, is between 30K-60K per year. You do the math.
"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death."
We knew right off the top that variants would evade any vaccine for this. That's why there hasn't been a vaccine for the common cold (before we reached peak stupidity).
I don’t agree. The variants story is fake. The variants differ so slightly from the original sequence that there’s no chance of immune escape if you have the normal breadth of immune repertoire that comes from natural immunity. Evidence supports that assertion since virtually no one gets clinically important covid19 twice.
A good vaccine would have seen off all variants easily.
Though imo no vaccine should have attempted, especially new technology agents.
That’s because the time required to obtain good data showing it’s safe longer term takes longer than the pandemic would likely have lasted.
That being so, how are differing levels of severity attributed to different ‘variants’? I found it suspicious that a new ‘variant’ arrived just at the right moment to justify continued/increased restrictions. So is it the case that the immune response in the population to the Coronavirus 2 is evolving over time with exposure, so milder cases are due to faster immune reaction, fewer really susceptible people left who have not had CoVid and survived, or died, rather than alleged less virulent ‘variants’?
I see your reasoning. But is this not the reason we did not, despite the aspirations of so many, ever have vaccines for the common cold before? Is this not also the reason that the flu vaccines get "updated" (and are always a step behind) every year?
It’s not possible to obtain a vaccine for “the” common cold because it’s not what we’re told.
Common cold is the term we give to a related set of mostly upper respiratory tract symptoms, caused by any of around 60 different viruses (so the story goes).
If you gain long lasting immunity to one virus, there’s another 59 from which you can get another cold.
So yes, we’d need a large number of vaccines & of course it’s not worth doing for most people.
It’s often missed that there are upsides to getting certain viruses, the presumed immunostimulus helping to reduce other diseases, even cancers.
Flu vaccines, I’m not sure what’s happening there. I believe they’re the only important respiratory tract infection that changes it’s antigenic shape every year. It mutates via antigenic shift.
SARS-CoV-2 mutates slowly via antigenic drift. It has error detect / correct “wet ware”. So it’s considered a stable virus, contradicting the media story. Though we’re told about 35 changes or so in spike, it’s important to know that spike protein alone is 1273 amino acids & the whole virus close to 10,000 residues.
Yes, DOCTOR. All of us around here who didn't think to put our credentials in our usernames had no idea that the common cold is associated with more than one specific virus.
Everything that was known prior to March 2020 had been erased from the Universe. Any who say otherwise are guilty of mis/dis-information and fake news. Repent sinner!
And the particularly ridiculous part is that some of them want to mandate "vaccines" because, while Omicron is mild, there may be a scary new variant in the fall, and we'll need a "vaccine" for that. Never mind that if there is a scary new variant in the fall, we can be just about certain it'll be even better than Omicron at evading "vaccine" induced immunity.
One of the strengths of the mRNA platform is that new "vaccines" can be rapidly developed. The primary downside of them, and which is seldom mentioned in the press, is that their long-term safety and even efficacy is unproven. What little I've read doesn't seem to give one much optimism for those two rather important traits. I suppose I'd try them if I were facing imminent death or suffered a serious ailment and they offered promise. But short of that? No thanks. Perhaps given many years of testing and refinement they will be safer, but now? Hell no.
Or perhaps for some other disease all together. Maybe they will have some use for certain cancers or something, but who knows? I agree, safety and efficacy are pretty crucial, and these seem to have neither of those traits.
I wonder how many weeks of testing these will have? Most likely less than 2 months so the antibodies don’t fade. The real point of these is for a vaccine mandate push in the autumn.
Human death is spiritually difficult for humans, but not all deaths are untimely. When a chicken is terribly sick, the hawk swoops in. When a person is terribly sick, a mild illness like Omicron can do them in. I just recovered from it myself. It was indeed mild. I used to work in long term care facilities. Teensy weensy colds end the lives of people who are hanging on by threads every day, and always have. That isn't to say compassion for those who die or lose loved ones isn't called for. And true compassion recognizes complexity.
Pneumonia from flus and colds was always called the old man's best friend. It may be a more merciful way to go than suffering with cancer or being bed ridden for years without the possibility of gaining better health. It is very sad when we lose loved ones, but it is a fact of life many don't want to acknowledge.
I remember reading an article a few months ago by some woman whose elderly parents were both suffering from terminal cancer, and she wanted them to have luxury of dying of their cancer, rather than of COVID. I first thought it was satire, but as I read on, it became clear the woman was serious.
A family friend passed away in the summer of 2019. She had breast cancer but it was pneumonia that took her out. I'm glad she passed away then because she was able to have a proper homegoing service. She was a wonderful woman and touched a lot of lives. She deserved that celebration.
I thought you might be and I am sorry to have been disrespectful. Cases like this make me very angry, because early treatment and additional therapies were suppressed and denied. In my mind, that is criminal not to treat someone in a life threatening position with any tool available.
Do you think that the widows would be pleased to know that Vitamin D sufficiency was more protective than the injections? Would they thank our rulers who have corrupted the research and banned early treatment which has been well described since 2020?
At what point would you explain the 2 week post-injection immune suppression, and the negative injection efficacy after 3-6 months, and that the 2020 shots were not useful against Omicron?
Or heaven forbid, fat shaming. I actually have a friend who lost 60 pounds in the past year, because the 2 people he knew who died of COVID-related illness were both obese. THAT’S the other lifestyle factor that needs to be pummeled into people's brains.
Is strep throat a "mild" illness? It does kill, exceedingly rarely, but it does kill. My point, of course, is that if killing people proves that something is NOT mild than virtually no virus ever would qualify as "mild."
True, and if you have strep symptoms, test positive, you get a treatment for strep and voila you're cured. Symptoms->test->treatment->cured. But Covid? Oh nooo: No symptoms->test->isolate->rinse/repeat or; symptoms->test->lock yourself in your basement and rot for 10 days->turn blue->go to hospital->get toxic dose remdesivir->ventilator->dead. Seems to me its not the illness that's deadly ;-).
I hope they pay attention, from lifesitenews regarding fired nyc employees: “They’re not being terminated, they are quitting,” insisted the mayor, according to ABC7NY News, in an attempt to justify his stance.
Vvandenbossche states that variants come indeed from vaxxing while the virus is going around. No shots during sickness. First there should have been advise on living healthy and strengthen your body when needed with vitamins and minerals. Then they should have looked at every med available for a cure. And when all were healed they could have gone on to search for a vaccine. But then again they harm a healthy person. A needle hole can let virus in. And there is no safe and effective vaccine. Every year children die from measles vaccine
During an interview early on I remember Dr. Malone saying "you don't vaccinate into a pandemic". I thought - what does that mean. So I looked it up. People seem incurious.
Also vitamin D. No talk of it outside our bubble. I take NAC and doubled it when sick. I think it really helped. I have asthma so I worried about mucous.
We’ve been on the Zelenko protocol since July 21, with Quercetin, but had been taking all the usual vitamins and supplements previous. My wife got Delta in October, and was fairly ill for 3 days with fever, but added NAC during that time. Day 4 fever broke and by Day 5, felt 90% better.
We just went thru Omi, and again, she had 2 days of fever, but is bouncing back. She has a mild auto immune disease, but has never wanted to get jabbed. Omi for me was a mild cold, no fever, scratchy throat and some flow. Big Deal!
We know people fully jabbed, who have been in bed for a week from Omi. No doubt, the jabs make it worse, their immune systems are failing them!
Quercetin also helps people with asthma. So it probably helps with the lungs (as well as getting the zinc into the cells). My husband and I have had the same symptoms (I had more lung congestion and still have some). My husband additionally had muscle and joint pain from the hips down. He was thinking it was due to some cytokine activity. It lasted two days. It just dawned on me I cannot smell well. I smell some things, but it does not smell like the thing - coffee smells like tires burning. Hope that goes away. I had the flu right before. WAY worse. Seriously way worse. So glad you and your wife are well. Tell your jabbed friends that you thank the non jab for having such a mild case. I know I will.
Maybe you need to be more plain. "Vaccines cause variants. Look it up if you dare, It is YOU." They understand it and do not like it. You won't convince them these vaccines are harmful cuz... death, but for a fleeting moment they will see the light. Or not. Who cares?
They dare not look at the light. You put the needle in your arm or God forbid and suddenly realize you hit your own (and kids) autodestruct button. Whew.
It's an RNA virus. Variants are what RNA viruses do. It's the reason there's no vaccine for HIV in 35 years. Saying "if it weren't for variants" is like saying "if it weren't for tornados we wouldn't have all these homes damaged by extreme weather every few years".
You counter the variants argument by letting them know that it's well-established that corona respiratory viruses always mutate and do so fairly quickly. It's literally impossible to vaccinate the entire world with a vaccine that is keyed to one variant before other variants will arise and possibly defeat the current vaccine (see, Omicron).
Although it's also true that vaccines that need to be distributed over the whole world will set up the conditions for variants to select for vaccine evasion, I think this will go over a lot of people's heads. If you just focus on the simple idea that variants are guaranteed to arise quickly, it is obvious that all 8 billion people can't be vaccinated fast enough to stamp out the original virus before new variants put us back to square one.
It sure is lucky the 'variants' popped up exactly when the seasonality theorists said they would, isn't it? 'Variant' is simply an excuse for vaccine failure.
And by its very nature, a respiratory virus is going to vary over time. I suppose this is the reason we've had such trouble creating a vaccine for these viruses in the past.
Those of us who advocate for a woman's right to home birth and natural birth are quite familiar with this "thank goodness" thing. I can't tell you how many times I have listened as women tell about hemorrhaging or some other terrible adverse outcome during or after a medically-assisted hospital birth, saying "good thing I was in the hospital" and "thank goodness for modern medicine". We have loads of data showing that medical interventions, prohibitions against movement and eating, etc worsen outcomes for birthing mothers and infants. Anyway. This is the modern medical delusion at work.
I certainly can’t speak on matters of maternity medicine, but I learned long ago that the medical establishment is not in the business of healing. They are in the business of managing disease—and now in the business of creating disease to be managed.
The medical establishment is proven to be an utter failure at treating ALMOST ALL chronic disease. Acute issues, yeah it can be great but otherwise you need to take your health back from the medical establishment.
My doc eventually moved further away from his GP role, as he recognized the options were pill, cut, or refer. Patients largely wanted magic bullet pills and felt better for walking out with a precious script clutched to the bosom.
But, docs often hate seeing chronic patients enter the door, esp with conditions like cfs or fm. They have nothing for them and one senses they wish the patient would just go away. The patient reminds them of the inadequacies of allopathic medicine. These patients oft gravitate to natural medicine and may find some assistance. But, yes, allopathy does have success with acute. Thanks for pointing out the distinction.
Totally get that. In fact, if I'd been at hospital to give birth each time, I definitely would've had horrid outcomes!! As it was, home births were the best options for me - and would probably be the best options for most women if only they'd get their head around it all and be SUPPORTED in their decision. I think we may both feel rather strongly on this point, hoohoo!!
Anyway, there's just no telling people sometimes. When they have a belief this strong, who needs science, religion - or anything?! Kind of makes me feel even more sorry for people through history, like Galileo. Or even poor Semmelweiz who was laughed at his whole life just trying to get physicians to practice basic sanitation so they didn't kill new mothers! These people were SO ahead of their time and they were not just locked out of society but their lives were destroyed, all because their views differed from the current views. They may have been in the severe minority, but their views were CORRECT.
If a person hasn't gotten used to being scoffed at by the time they are in their 40's, they probably don't have much reason to feel confident in their own intellectual capacities. Life is too important and too short for conformity.
I have yet to have children and am interested in home birth. Would you mind elaborating on this a little, please? What makes you confident they wouldn’t have had such complications at home/ they were caused by medical intervention?
This isn't really the place to open that can of worms, but what makes me confident about what I said is the research that affirms it. I am not saying any individual would not have had the same complications under different circumstances, necessarily, because I'd have to be psychic to confidently say that. But I can say with confidence that pitocin, for example, is strongly associated with all manner of undesirable birth outcomes. Birth is totally effed by nature. Like sex and death, it's just freaking wild and it ought to be freaking wild because it's as important as anything could be. It ought to be psychedelic, and when it is, biochemical magic occurs in both mama and baby that weaves them together for the next chapter. One of the big issues with modern birth industry is that it seeks to sanitize birth, and in the process of doing that it prevents deep, dank, primal bonds.
Yes!!! After my births, I felt like a warrior. It's good to know your strength and power as you enter the next phase of motherhood. Also, I was keenly aware that my babies and I had gone through an unbelievable rite of passage together.
I was just thinking that when I read your response! It’s the ancient female initiation, rite of passage. Men have their concocted rituals but women didn’t need them, we always had child birth
There are so many aspects to birth that rely on a hormonal cascade. That cascade tends to happen best when the mother is calm, with no bright lights, intrusions, timetables or interventions.
That said, things can sometimes go wrong. We don't move or squat like our ancestors did, so we tend to have much less pelvic floor flexibility (among other things). I think the best is to have an experienced midwife and be within a drive of a hospital if something does go awry.
My three children were born at home. My (ex) wife was convinced that hospitals do almost everything wrong around birth, and birth isn't a medical procedure.
Our midwife was very experienced and solid. The two boys were both breech, and it went fine. The midwife had a policy of not doing breeches at home, but the first boy hid the fact very well, and the second time the wife persuaded her. The second boy (third child) also didn't breath for several minutes after birth, but he was still on the cord, so no problem.
No good midwife would put your legs in stirrups. You'll find the positions that feel right. And your partner can support you if you want.
Our friend that did a water birth some 16 years ago had a beautiful son, but he is a super passive person to the point of being autistic. I just have to wonder if part of the struggle to get born and the contrast from the womb to the air is somehow important for the baby, the challenge of it needed for vigorous life. Just a guess from observation, we will never know. He is a nice guy but lacks vigor.
Hi black cat, agreed with hoohoo that this isn't really the place to open up this can of worms...but since you asked ;-)
The main problem I have noticed in my 16 years of health work is that women are not supported by the hospital system. They are not allowed to 'do their thing' in the timeframe that is right for their body/baby. Hospitals always want to intervene. And one intervention leads to another...
Here in Oz, I have yet to come across a hospital that does NOT have a rule that antibiotics must be administered if a woman's waters broke 24 hours ago, yet the STUDIES show that it's safe to go 72 hours post-waters breaking before the need for antibiotics. So what happened to that other 48 hours?! It just got dismissed by the hospital system - yet that time can be a crucial part in a natural birth.
Studies also show that doing C-sections early (eg 37 weeks) leads to developmental delays by the time the kid reaches school-age, but SO many C-sections are still performed early - often for no good reason other than the Mum wants it out coz she's sick of carrying it around inside her! It would seem to me that hospitals work to their own agenda, with Science coming in a poor 7th. And the more they do this, the less women - and men - are going to trust their bodies and their choices and their gut instincts. Then we end up with problems like people falling for covid crap because they place their trust in governments and those in white coats instead of themselves.
I didn't have any cervix dilation for 24 hours for either of my first two births. It would've been automatic IV antibiotics for my first + syntocin injection, with C-sections for both my first two births. My bubs and I needed none of that. But, had I had x2 C-sections, you think I would've even thought I could've managed a natural birth the 3rd time around? Let alone a 2 & 1/2 hour labour for my 3rd birth?! I loved that 3rd birth especially - it was that 'I am woman, hear me roar' thing and it meant A LOT to me.
I never needed to be cut open for major abdominal surgery, my babies did very well in the circumstances and I had trust in my body. I also had (and still have!) an awesome hubby by my side to help and support me through it all.
The thing is, hospitals tend to disempower women and use old techniques that make women feel inferior and stressed - which kicks the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) into gear rather than the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS) - which means labour slows down and then abracadabra, a C-section is required! It's EVIL what hospitals do. Utterly evil and contemptible, and yet they'd say they were doing all that 'life-saving' intervention for your health and the baby's health. Ha!! So rarely is this the case.
I'm astonished at the lack of faith in basic biology, of women (and men) that I speak with who seem to genuinely think that birth outside of a hospital is impossible. It's only recently that birth is considered to be in the realm of medicine.
Indeed it is. I guess that shows you how susceptible modern day humans are to stupidity! If they're going to ignore their instincts, they're sure in for a bumpy ride.
In my 16 years of practice, there have been SO many women who have just held onto their bad births (hospital ones...) for absolute DECADES. I could write a book about it - but no-one would want to read it. However, I can't say the same for the women who've given birth naturally. They tend to be a lot more relaxed about it.
But imagine if the medical staff were honest about it and said "Well, we're not going to support you in your birth, and you're going to let us not support you, and the birth is going to be horrid, probably touch and go at times, and you might have physical problems for YEARS afterwards, possibly psychological, too, but don't worry, we'll swoop in and save the day, even though we created this mess by not letting you believe in yourself, and guess what? You get to re-live this trauma for the rest of your life and never let it go. Won't that just be awesome?! Now, lie down, put your feet in these archaic stirrups and just hand over your life to us." It's almost Monty Python-esque...
It seems like the more people get educated, the dumber they generally get because they lose their instincts; it's almost like having those 'instincts' means you're a dumb animal or something? Yet I look around and see those with no instincts as the 'dumb animals'. Our goats are cleverer than most people I meet!
My great-grandmothers (& all the previous women before them) all gave birth at home. That was how it was done. And people survived. My great-grandmother was a woman who was barely 5-foot tall and she had twins! I can't find a woman who died in childbirth in my family tree going back MANY generations. Funnily enough, the kids all survived the births, too!
But my grandmothers had their kids naturally in hospital - with no worries. My mother and all my aunts had their kids naturally in hospital, too, also with no worries. But my sister & cousins (bar 2 of them) had all their children in hospital, and most of them via C-section. Out of 16 births in my generation (by me, my sister & cousins from both sides), there were 5 natural births outside hospital (3 of them mine...), 4 natural hospital births - and 7 C-sections. And they were all PLANNED C-sections.
However, 3 of these women would've died from complications had there NOT been hospital intervention (massive cervix tear post-natural birth, massive blood loss with placenta praevia without C-section and probable serious infection & massive trauma without C-section). So I'm not sure if women have lost the ability to birth in just 2-3 generations in my family, or whether it's something a lot deeper than that.
If you're interested, I recommend Ina May's guide to Childbirth. In the second half of her book, she breaks down a lot of the ways medical interventions lead to complications (often called the "cascade of interventions"). The first half is a bunch of positive birth stories, which are very nice to read when you're expecting.
Agreed. My wife did a home birth for all of our children and had an excellent midwife. It has been awhile but the C-section rate for first time mothers was over 20%! I think doctors should be required by law to post their C-section rates on the front door to their office.
Dr. Marty Makary discusses the scam of unnecessary C-sections in his book "The Price We Pay." Excellent and eye-opening book on our medical-hospital system.
When I got pregnant, we lived in China. I decided to come home for the birth. My son decided to come 5.5 weeks early. I ended up with an epidural at a large teaching hospital. They told me I could push whenever I was ready. An hour later they came in and told me they were going to prep me for a C-section. I asked why and they said the baby was getting stressed. I explained that they told me that I could push whenever I was ready and I was waiting until my husband could get there (naive, I know) and that if they would have discussed the stress on the baby, he would have already been born. Two hours later my son was born. They were going to give me a C-section without even explaining that by waiting for my husband (It was a 13 hour flight, seriously, what was I thinking) I could possible hurt my child instead of saying push the kid out.
Amazing mental illness affecting institutional and academic medicine. Total lack of perception about what is happening in their ICU covid units. Hospitals have become the “killing fields “ and concentration camps of America. Without asking for my advice, five of my friends have gotten admitted to our local hospital (where I used to work before retirement)... Without consent, all got intubated (and I am sure got Remdesivir) - four of five died .. one strong man survived a month in ICU and now has terrible brain fog. 80% mortality sorta fits what we are seeing fir hospitalized covid ICU patients. It fits. The last three words in the movie “bridge over the River Kwai” were “madness, madness, madness” boy oh boy does that fit today
In a way I'm most angry with health professionals for their complicity. The hospitals are killing people. They offer no early treatment, only a one-way street on a vent tube then to the morgue. For this they get paid a nice sum.
True health professionals are private practice doctors. 71% of MDs work for a paycheck from government or hospital. They are “lackeys” to the man who signs their paycheck. They are just doing their duty to quote 1940s German “doctors “ the doctors don’t get a penny increase. The hospitals and administrators are rolling in cash due to these insane treatments
I agree. Was in private practice for 30 years. My responsibility was to my patients. But as consolidation has increased the percentage of system employed physicians we have lost autonomy. These employed docs are told what to do or walk, or even worse lose their licenses. This is not new to the pandemic, consolidation and owning and controlling doctors has been pushed for over 2 decades. The ACA passage drove it further still. The pandemic has simply unmasked the control and how it has influenced care.
This is all about a sense of superiority, insecurity and collegiality. Too many professionals struggle with this. Society has put them on a pedestal, they enjoy the limelight, huddle proudly with their colleagues, and fear losing status with these colleagues. All that knowledge and wisdom hobbled by human frailty. Sad.
Please get in this leaky lifeboat with me because, even though it hasn't done anything I was told it would do and expected it to do, I want us all to go down together.
I deleted my twitter account and just can NOT do this anymore to be honest. Really it's sad to see people fall down the rabbit hole. Two years into "covid" COUGH COUGH and I am done... If people haven't come to understand this WHOLE disaster and still have this "if I didn't get the vaxx it would be worse" they cannot be helped.
Well, they *could* still come to their senses...but with everything they've had jabbed into them by then they will NOT truly be able to be helped. And most won't come to their senses, anyway. I've noticed my patients come to their senses more often after, and only after, they've had a BAD reaction to a covid injection (usually the booster...).
The thing is, people aren't going to question something they have no cause to question - until they DO have a cause to question. And by then it's usually too late.
It's not a good place most people are in right now :-(
How do most people hold jobs?? How does the guy driving a Mercedes SL convertible with the roof down with a double mask on make the money to buy that car when his decision making process is that flawed??? Please tell me because it drives me nuts. And some well respected people...people I know and like tell me the same thing...just sounds nuts.
When I hear that I tell them how do you know? Where's the data to prove that? I can't say it's false just like you can't say it's true...it's just a dopey opinion and opinions by their very nature are unprovable!
It's like the guy married to the anti-Christ says "Oh well...my life would've been worse if I stayed single!" LOL!
I understand your sentiments. I do think, however, there are many(too many) jobs in which people are well compensated for following orders. It is not just the DC bureaucrats now. Or perhaps, many places of employment are hiring and promoting the bureaucratic, go along types. It sickens me too, but these folks can well afford nice cars. A few years ago, I had a bout with a cancer. I had many questions about the best treatment route to follow. The answers were always” standard of care” dictates blah blah. If this is how you perform as a doc, you can easily be replaced by a bot. But, it likely won’t be you. It will be your kids or grands. Meanwhile you can drive your SL or better without considering that your progeny will be riding the bus.
Yep. Here is Steve Kirsch's interview with Canadian vaccinologist Byram Bridle: “The truckers are staging a peaceful protest that the media is distorting. They have the support of around 50% of Canadians. It’s tearing the country apart. There are fewer people in the middle now. People are picking sides.”
They have the support of 50% of Canadians and people are picking sides: so about half of Canadians support a Totalitarian government that is seizing bank accounts, depriving people of their ability to make a living, threatening to take their children, and killing their dogs,
We will soon be at the Madame DeFarge stage, but don't expect any Carmelite Nuns to come to the rescue this time.
Fear is a powerful motive and it's been used 24/7 for 2 years. 50% of Canadians still believe the 'experts' because they don't know enough about either health or history to challenge the narrative. It's changing though. Media is not reporting on the huge crowds coming out calling for an end to the madness.
Alas, too many Canadians get their news from blatantly government-subsidized legacy media. If I accidentally turn on one of those news stations, in mere seconds I am frantically poking at the remote trying to change the channel. The Chicken Little Covid reporting is non-stop, and I cringe that the lies have entered my domicile like a toxic fog. And cringe more that I know my Canuck neighbours believe this evil swill.
Totally agree. I cringe when I take a look at the 'reporting'. I've been in groups of thousands recently all waving Canadian flags and asking for medical freedom to choose for ourselves what we want to do. That gets reported as nazi, racist, killers, etc. Whoever pays the salaries gets to say whatever he wants and Trudeau has cornered the legacy media. Now he wants to cut off all independent media. Pretty easy to see what's happening but many won't look.
We, too, stood at a 401 overpass in the biting cold, proud to wave the flag.
Frankly, it is scary right now (banks not open in some places, and folks who donated worried about their status), but I am half-wondering if this is false-flaggy sabre rattling designed precisely to scare, and perhaps even designed as a social experiment to gauge reactions (Canada got the short straw, along with Ontario).Perhaps a template for the next level of reset - you know, operating by the old trick of two steps forward, one back.
Again, I recommend the movie “Rat Race,” and the absolute requirement for everyone to read Orwell’s 1984.
I've thought the same. Pick a weak leader of a nation known for being easy going and accepting of authority and see what happens. If the weak leader is willing to do anything to elevate him/herself (Ardern comes to mind) in the eyes of those he's sold out to, how much can they get away with.
I and 3 coworkers had COVID in Dec 2021. I was the only unvaxed one. I had a fever for 4 hours and took horse paste that night and for the next 10 days. I really had no other symptoms than "tired." My vaxed coworkers had horrible coughs, congestion, headaches, etc. It took them all over 3 weeks before they started to feel and sound normal again. Imagine how sick I would have been without horse paste. 😉
I think one of the biggest factors in the self delusion is that people don’t want to admit that they lined up like sheep and let their government tinker with and inject their body with unknown and untested substances for their own petty vain selfish reasons. They thought they could go to restaurants, football games, concerts. Total insanity.
Ps. These are the same people who, when asked, say that they aren’t too worried that they may have dorked up their immune system because they believe it is stronger and more flexible than that. What?? Then why bother with the vaccine if it’s so omnipotent.
I've a slight background in science (BS) and a bit more in literature (MA). So take that as a disclaimer for what it's worth.
In traditional science (e.g. before the "woke" took it over, which in case you didn't know, happened long before you were even born, at least in some fields; it's an ill going back generations.) there is/was a quite high burden of proof. This is especially so in the purer sciences: mathematics and its brethren. Let's just say for now that it is very, very difficult to prove something, to a scientific standard.
Quick aside: I never liked the verb "falsify," but that is, indeed what's used in academia. In common use, of course it means "to forge" or "to counterfeit." However, the more obscure usage in science means "to disprove" or "show to be false." Thus, to falsify a theory doesn't mean that you plagiarized or otherwise wrote a bullshit paper. Even though that clearly happens a lot. In fact, when research is done right, that's precisely what the working system WANTS to happen: to disprove a current theory, or conversely, to fail to disprove it, which tends to support the prior theory.
Absolute, final truth DOES NOT EXIST. It never has and never will. Even the best, most battle-tested, time-honored theories are always subject to falsification. If you ever hear the phrase "the science is settled, " you know you are dealing will a bullshit artist or a liberal arts major (but I repeat myself.) Of course, such absurd claims to final truth are common in religion and politics and similar mucky, swampy domains of human "thought."
Now I'm getting to what was sort of the intent of this post, ere I lapsed into verbal diarrhea. If you accept what I've told you above, that it is very difficult to definitively prove or falsify a proposition, consider the following statements:
Just because you cannot prove a statement, doesn't mean it's untrue. Or conversely,
Just because you cannot falsify a statement, doesn't mean it's true.
At this point, we enter the thicket of correlations, inferences and probabilities. This, alas, is where most "facts" in the real world reside. But all is not lost. The human mind and many of its creations are designed, either explicitly or implicitly, to be able to operate on incomplete information. In fact, if you think about it, that's about all we ever have available. If one demanded absolute proof of safety, for example, no one would ever take a pill, board a plane or even cross a busy street.
Public Health Scotland refusing to release its data is yet another class of problem. This gets more into psychology: basically the childish wish-fulfillment thinking along the lines of "If we don't see (or name) an evil, it doesn't exist and cannot hurt us."
Paging Lord Voldemort. White courtesy phone please.
Oh yes, the burden of proof. I earned a PhD in chemistry then took a career change and became a trial lawyer. My entire adult life has centred on proving things to a high and formal standard of proof using evidence. This COVID fiasco and upside down world has severely tested my sanity.
Your life has also involved (I presume) a heightened alertness to conflicts of interest and hidden agendas, etc.
I work with 35 attorneys in a mid-sized firm; (I am support staff; not an atty). Every.single.one of them old and young rushed out and got vaxed as soon as they were on the eligible list; some waiting hours on line to do so. Young women, just out of law school, newly married without kids yet.
My "sanity" - if that's the term - has been bolstered by a BIG push back against the firm's mandatory booster policy (now rescinded).
The relatively low and falling demand for the booster (in the US) is worth mentioning in the context of this post. Let's be alert for counter-evidence.
My husband and I are both attorneys. We talk frequently (even before covid) about how all of our classmates from law school have become completely unhinged. I think many intelligent people just have no common sense, intuition or discernment.
Lawyer here, also. I learned about two weeks into law school that there was no correlation between a law degree and objective intelligence. That's been confirmed multiple times over in my career.
Most of my colleagues and lawyers who I know are knee-deep in the orthodoxy such that I do not bother to discuss the topic. They all assume that everyone has been vaxxed because it's the morally correct thing to do. (Seeing how woke the ABA is, I will not be surprised to see the introduction of an ethical requirement to be vaccinated for COVID).
Many fit in gato's scheme based upon comments: "I was so-o-o sick with Omicron over Christmas. It would have been so much worse if I didn't get my booster."
Yeah, I work as an investigator for lawyers, and most seem to have taken the bait hook, line and sinker. Couple of my clients seem to actually be sane however. And your first paragraph is spot on with one addition, this applies to medical and other degrees as well.
I'm with you. A liberal arts education heavy on the science and mathematics concentration before changing directions and going into accounting/business in graduate school. My early career was in Big-8 (that ages me!) auditing. I've had to examine the basics and present proof also.
I've always been one to view the "news" with skepticism and look for validation elsewhere. A short stint touring in the old East German Republic awakened me at a young age to the dangers of government control and propaganda. Observing the amount of tripe that many people fall for without question has shaken me to my core.
I want to re-read Toms River by Dan Fagin. Maybe similarities? They knew the water contained poison. Children got sick, but not all children got sick. Hence, it’s not the water? If I recall it doesn’t have a smoking gun ending.
Got my hairs colored yesterday. Wore a mask, as I'm in Maine & our Governor/CDC are insane.
My stylist wasn't wearing a mask. She said, "You don't need to wear that."
Me: "I'm unvaxxed. Won't you get in trouble with the CDC/State?" (Maine still pretends it's safer for the vaxxed to go about unmasked. Pretty sure they know it's bullshit. But then, so are masks.)
Stylist: "I'm not vaxxed. I've had COVID 3X & still keep getting it. But, I'm also still here. It's a cold for most of us and your health status is none of my business."
We then discussed all the vaxxed folk we know who got COVID anyway & moved on to girlie topics.
When I tell people I have had omicron they are very concerned because... no jab. How was it??? Me: I sat around, I laid around, I made food, did laundry and coughed my ass off. The usual.
I think they don't like that answer.
I'm pissed I'm not like that Nancy in the tweet above who lost his appetite. I never lose my appetite. Rats!
Me too. Plus I'm supposedly in the guaranteed death club due to my being very fat (I practice HAES, but certain types love multi billion dollar industry-funded data and correlations that fail to adjust for confounding variables when it allows them to attack fat people--god forbid
I engage in healthy behaviors to feel better and improve my actual health indicators and treat weight loss as a possible but not guaranteed side effect). I can't count the number of times I've been told that I will die horribly if I get covid and haven't been jabbed/lost weight, and the fat hate is as ugly as the unvaxxed hate.
What was my fat, unjabbed covid experience? Ten hours of mostly annoying body aches and fever. A few days of feeling tired and lethargic. Same for the rest if my family, who are also all "morbidly obese". I've had worse migraines. We've all had worse flus.
Thank you for posting this. I think it helps people - even the unjabbed who have not had COVID but still have some worries - to know that real people get COVID and it is not a visit from the grim reaper. People latch on to the worst stories because the mind goes there sometimes! The good news is you have this round of COVID past you and there is some sterilizing effect (hopefully fully) for the next variant. Meanwhile you move closer to better health. I looked up HAES. It takes a lot of gumption to getter done especially when society feels it is OK to be cruel. Can you imagine if they behaved that way to a person with lung cancer?
We must do everything to protect an obese person from going to hospital with COVID to ensure that there’s enough hospital capacity for obese people with their usual ailments.
Because everything about CoVid for them is a drama, vaccination/masks is audience participation for people who want to feel part of the production, stricken with CoVid is getting a speaking part in the play which they can then ham-up for full effect.
Because, they were perpetually afraid in the first place and bought into the irrational fear and propaganda. So, they just HAD to get jabbed so that the Deathly Covid (99.9%) survival rate) would avoid them. But they still got sick, and are still irrationally afraid, hence, the DRAMA.
As said elsewhere on the thread, we’ve had flus far more vicious than Covid. I remember being in bed for a week, aching head to toe, no appetite at all, and leaking from all ends. That was at age 28, in my prime. At 58, I just got thru Omi as a very mild 3 day cold.
The lady who cuts my hair was, for the first time since covid, wearing a mask; I didn't ask, but she got to talking and it seems she got the omicron, then went out and got her vax. And telling me how "safe" she feels now that she got her vax......... I can't even at this point....
NEW - Public Health Scotland will stop publishing data on Covid deaths and hospitalizations by vaccination status because there are "significant concerns about the data contradicting the narrative"
Yep. I started saying this in 2020 when they put the lockdown idea out - that everything they did would be justified by, "But think how much worse it would have been if we hadn't!" Not "could" have been; "would" have been.
It is like a religion without the hope of an afterlife and without the meaning that belief in God gives you. Also, the believers really hate those who don't believe. Sad. And I know some of these folks. Sad.
When assessing medical claims, it's important to remember the job of a doctor: selling medical procedures. Now, if those medical procedures work, it'll have some small positive benefit on sales, but - as anyone in business knows - the actual quality of a product is relatively unimportant to its sales. (Does anyone think McDs makes the world's best hamburger? Yet, it's inarguably the #1 burger chain.)
Thus, doctors will always favor products that result in higher total sales over products that actually work. Talk to any pediatrician and they'll tell you it's impossible to make money w/o vaccination. If vaccines impair health - resulting in lots of infections and other chronic problems - you'll make even more money!
Given those economic incentives, it's ludicrous to think that doctors will investigate the safety and efficacy of vaccines - they have literally no incentive to do so and lots of reasons to avoid such investigations.
One doesn't have to be a conspiracy theorist to think that people will respond to their economic incentives. If we pay doctors to "treat" our illnesses, they aren't going to help us avoid illness (and, thus, avoid paying them!)
If we combine their incentives w/ our own (few of us pay out of pocket for all of our care and many of us pay very little for any additional care), then nobody has an incentive to minimize treatments... and we get more treatments! (Indeed, it's been shown that people w/o medical insurance are healthier than people w/ Medicaid because a bad doctor is far worse than none at all!)
To be clear, there are counter-pressures that limit doctors' ability to over-treat, but those counter-pressures are imperfect; overall, we treat too many people for too many things (by which I mean we tend to favor treatments that are expensive & ongoing over cures & that we tend to minimize side-effects, preferring to "treat" them over avoiding them in the first place).
Economics explains why we spend so much achieving so little.
It gets funnier in a way. The man they hate and fear most--DeSantis--has been very pro-vax but completely anti-lockdown. He's like the black 'n white guy from the original Star Trek. Something to despite for everyone, but for the part they most revile, he's been right. No wonder their heads are starting to explode.
They will never admit that we, the filthy crazies, have been entirely right, when they can't even deal with him, who at least had believed in their fairy dust...
And doesn't help that this is the most unresilient generation ever. They've forgotten that sometimes when you get sick, you feel like death for awhile. When I was thirty I had a case of the flu so bad I fainted off the toilet seat and broke a tooth. Was out of work for a week and when I returned, a colleague saw me and reacted in horror because I must have looked like I'd been in the dungeon with the Dauphin. That's just how it goes but these guys just can't handle a fortnight of frightfulness.
I hope this comment gets more attention. I raised my Millennial son to be more libertarian in thought and process...yet he lost much of it in college and married a SJW. Sometimes I see the lights flicker back on. Sometimes he sees his mom isn't a crazy conspiracy nut.
Don't fret. This is normal. I was quite the little lefty radical in HS. Once wrote to the State Dept. asking why my passport couldn't be validated for travel to Cuba. Been through my religious phases--and not my parents' religion, neither. We mostly have to undoctrinate ourselves to have any real success in that grim journey towards adulthood (and there's plenty of superannuated children out there...)
Too true. And even resilient people have forgotten how to be resilient. I keep reminding people of the 2018 flu season when almost everyone in my area had some strain of flu, including what we called the 3-week flu (week 1, 102F fever; week 2, 100-101F fever; week 3, gradual recovery) or the strain that "went away" in a week but left people with a racking cough that lasted almost a month. And then we all got better, and meanwhile everyone went about their lives normally. But no matter how many times I remind people -- including the ones who were very sick that year -- all I get are blank stares or "but this is different, everyone is dying." Meanwhile, they're hard pressed to name anyone they know who's died OF (rather than with) covid.
Yes. Not only is there no resilience regarding illness but any minor unplanned event in life. A flat tire results in a 30-year old calling his/her dad to come and rescue them like a child. This is on the parents though, who enabled their special snowflake to get away with this and never taught them how to overcome adversity. This generation has the highest self-esteem in history despite having accomplished next to nothing.
Of course this is a broad-brush stereotype and there are always exceptions, but on the whole they are a pretty sad lot. On the plus side I don't have to worry much about competition for my job, so there's always a silver lining.
“Other reports tell of political officials and party followers who cried out ‘Long Live Stalin!’ as they were being taken out to be shot by the Soviet Secret Police.”
And:
“As in the Stockholm Syndrome, thus does the abuser become the perceived safe haven – a person or an entity to whom one can turn for help, mercy, forgiveness, comfort.”
As I recall from some decades ago, some Japanese business people were fascinated by the ability of American businesses to sell inferior products. They set about studying the formulae.
Now we have this jabmad fad (our society is so susceptible to fads) and the resultant burgeoning of globalist coffers.
The land of merchants utterly subdued by the merchants’ comprehensive, omnipresent marketing campaign. Every masked face is an ad for their profitable toxins.
Reminds me of the story where an American company placed an order with a Japanese manufacturer for some product and specified there should be no more than three defects per lot. When the order was delivered, the Japanese supplier said, "we don't understand why you want them, but here are the three bad ones you requested".
We get crap because we tolerate crap. Most people are too lazy to dig into things themselves, it's just easier to believe a lie than to actually exercise some critical thinking. Mild myocarditis is perfectly fine, it's normal that a vaccine doesn't stop you from getting a disease, there's no problem with masking toddlers when they are developing speech, and on and on ad nauseum.
Just like the movie though, once you take that red pill there is no turning back as the lies are everywhere and it's impossible not to see them.
Communication and information is what it is, and the brain itself has no ability to discern if Cinderella is objective truth anymore than a recipe for sponge cake is.
Due to us always existing in a social context and always perceiving input (sounds fancy, doesn't it?) we varnish different kinds of information and communication as being inherently different due to how the forms vary. The Bible is seen as more [true] than Lord of The Rings, despite both being fiction (though The Bible leans more to historical fiction).
(Do note, this is not an attack on faith or creed - far from it. If one's faith needs mundane vulgar proof, the faith is not placed with the deity but in the material expression - like believing in church rather than god.)
Thus, you can sell pretty much anything using the right semantics. Want to sell a narrative? Start making up your own terms and jargon when describing reality. Only focus and emphasise what serves your purpose. Don't lie outright, only by omission and obfuscation. Make it profitable to belive what you are selling, both emotionally and(at least seemingly) materially.
And hey presto, after a couple of decades you too might have sold an entire civilisation on your idea, especially if those in power can make more from co-opting your ideas than by opposing them.
Aptly stated. The only criticism I might offer (and it's a service I offer gratuitously!) is, perhaps, implying that faith or creed should be immune from attack.
[Edit:] This is not saying that religion is all bad. A religion may offer a number of positive values, such as social and moral system, a sense of identity, and so on. My diatribe is directed at beliefs incompatible with science.
Irrationality and delusion are irrationality and delusion, no matter what it's called. To a large degree, our world is in the fucked up condition we find it precisely because of individual, group and mass beliefs that are poorly supported by reality. It doesn't matter very much whether the claim is that a barely-tested new gene therapy will prevent a virus, against much medical wisdom to the contrary, or that unbelievers will burn in hell for all eternity because they didn't eat a piece of bread or drink a sip of wine last Sunday or [insert the absurdity of your own choosing].
There is a lot of truth in your claims. I read a bit about economics years ago. One author said, and I think it's true, that the postwar Japanese success was slightly different. Now, what you say about "inferior" needs a bit of clarification. In any competitive consumer market, there is an enormous variation in quality. For example, in automobiles (1960s, say), near the bottom would be most Far East makers, American in the middle, and German at top. The Japanese genius was not to make junk, although certainly they did. At first. Their greatest success, probably, came when they aimed for the middle of a market and sold these at low profit margins. In other words, they produced what most people want: decent quality at the best price. This, in part explains why you probably drive a Japanese (or Korean, or...) made auto today, instead of the American (or English, or German) one your grandfather or father did.
All told, then, I would question your (implied) assertion that the Japanese became successful copying another nation selling inferior products. Beyond doubt though, is that advertising is a potent force in the market. Who dominates it then/now I don't know.
I didn’t mean to imply anything about Japanese success, only that they recognized the power of marketing. Just using that which I heard as an example of how this jab campaign has been so successful: the jabs aren’t effective or safe, but people are sold on them. It’s really amazing.
I was thinking more in terms of products like Coca-Cola and Pepsi. Successful all over the world, but lacking any nutritional value except for the necessary water in them. They displaced traditional beverages that have health benefits. Fad drinks.
As for the auto industry, the planned obsolescence Detroit engineered into their vehicles left Motown vulnerable to Toyota, Honda, and Datsun. But that’s another thing. My point is that they were correct in recognizing the power of marketing. And the success of the jab campaign is a product of intense marketing of the most pervasive sort.
There is also a part in "Pest Man Wins" where Larry hits Schemp's head with a hammer, and says "I saved your life- a mouse attacked you, and I got him with this".
I’m reminded of the story from England some months ago about the woman with COVID who spent a month in a medically induced coma only to (supposedly) be save people by a dose of viagra. Later she said something like “Thank goodness I was vaccinated! Imagine how much worse it could have been!” There might be a few things worse than a month in a coma, like being burned at the stake, and death, but… Really?
The craziest thing has been that the people who've failed this logic test the worst have been the self identified intellectual crowd. The vast majority of them actually believe they're the smartest guys in the room - and often they have the degrees and pedigree to reinforce their self image.
Which is CRAZY because the official numbers have been available this whole time. Literally every datapoint we get confirms the original Diamond Princess info. We know who's at risk, vax or not.
I am not vaccinated and had a pretty unpleasant experience with COVID. It lasted 12 days and it took me three weeks to recover. I got it from my daughter, who is vaccinated (forced to for her job), and her experience was pretty much the same, as it was for the other vaccinated people we know who got it. Everyone was out of commission for a month with the same symptoms, vaxxed or not. My family, some of whom refuse to associate with me in person, have shut up about vaccinations as the be all and end all finally, especially after my brother and his wife got a mild case after their boosters. He had refused to attend my mom’s birthday in December if I was there. They are lifting the mandates here next month and many people, vaccinated, of course, are freaking out. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I have, over the years, had a number of very unpleasant experiences with Colds - and I wasn’t vaccinated. I also had Hong Kong ‘flu way back in my early teens - unpleasant too and unvaccinated. The freak-outs need to get a sense of perspective and proportion. We have been living with, and some dying from, respiratory viruses since God was a schoolboy and I expect we shall be living with them, and some dying from them, when he has graduated from college and got his first job.
Awesome. Hah. My sister--a trained lawyer and supposedly smart--did this EXACT thing. I didn't bother pointing out the logical problems with her assertion. Also, get this, she said that at least her infection wasn't as bad as her reaction to the vaxx injections! Dudes and chicks, you can't make this stuff up.
Are the vaccinated getting more severe sickness or are they just whiners?
Everybody I know unvaxxed with Omicron in the past 2 months has had a cold. And with my man, it wasn't even a man cold. I guess the "get unvaccinated" advice would be insensitive.
I'd say a good portion are whiners. But their public dramatics about how TUUUURIBLE their encounter with the Dread Coof serves the pro-vaxx narrative...well the new one it evolved to.
went through this exact thought experiment with my ex wife a month ago. she’s triple vaxxed and caught covid only a few weeks after the booster. I asked if she now realizes the vax was bunk and she won’t relent that it was worthless. she’s lost, but no skin off my back. I tried to help she wouldn’t listen.
My family member (dbl shot) sick over Christmas felt like strep throat negative on the rapid test for covid, January catches covid is sick and bad cough. February “allergies.” Okay.
I was vaccinated and still got Wuhan about 5 months after two Pfizer shots. Everything said by gato malo is spot on. Everyone said it would be worse if I hadn’t been vaccinated. I said how do you know that? I said I didn’t catch Wuhan until after I was vaccinated. I went a year and a half around the public but didn’t catch it but I did after being vaccinated? You probably had the Delta Variant. How would they know that? Well, that’s what’s going around now. I said my test just said CoVid positive and nothing about Delta. Was there a secret code or test I didn’t know about? Suffice it to say it’s all BS.
Logic is irrelevant at this point. The answer to the “what would convince you” question would be “death” (hard to ask a dead person if they’re convinced now-see tombstone meme), or “my symptoms were so much less severe than the unvaccinated”, based on personal anecdotal evidence (from physicians I know). It truly is a massive snake-oil salesman, sleight-of-hand. Fascinating and terrifying in its pervasiveness.
And even worse, people who are in the cult actually sound proud and virtuous when they talk about their experience of having covid - no self-awareness at all.
That tombstone is no joke. There was a case in the USA where the relatives of someone who was fully vaccinated but still died from CoViD basically said exactly what is on your mock tombstone. I'm still trying to dig up the link
Yes, this does exist, I saw the same thing. It is mind numbing to observe the total lack of intellect behind some people's thoughts. I stopped arguing with people, as they just dig in deeper... Rather, I send them stuff and explain that the true scientific method would have allowed debate, so watch this Covid Second Opinion video and at least have knowledge of the other side of the debate... If you want, of course. And I let them know I'm here if they have questions after watching it, if they watch it, but that I won't push my opinions on them beyond having sent this or that to them. And then I wish them luck. I try to stand shoulder to shoulder rather than front face opposed, leave a door open, and that's it. Anything further turns into an irrational debate of feelings, poorly conducted studies, and stubborn confirmation biases... F that, I don't have the time or psychological fortitude for debating ignorant, false idolizing, half scientific at best supporting Kool aid drinking jackholes who aren't ready to ask real questions. And I've had better luck with this method, and my sanity is thankful for it.
You'll find the link, it exists, I've seen it. Will showing this to those aforementioned Kool aid drinking halfwits make a difference, doubtful. They'll just show stats on peeps who didn't get the vaxxx who died, regardless if they were killed by the tires of a bus and tested positive or just didn't get the early treatment necessary, or were given rundeathisnear and a vent. Sigh.
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Where Is The Pandemic? According To The BC Government Records Hospitalizations and ICU admissions in BC During the Covid-19 Pandemic Did Not Increase Compared to the Previous Years
In the UK, they even decreased, but who cares at this stage. I don't believe any of the ones buying this are able to see the truth based on data and rational arguments. Only when they will feel threatened by these absurd measures are they going to act. And the measures will become more absurd as time goes on. It will be the perfect chaos out of which order will be restored...
All these years of conditioning people to make arguments based on 'how you feel' versus facts and data has really paid off, and has been accelerated 2020 and on. The whole point of all these non-sensical measures and contradictory messaging is precisely to erase the concept of critical thinking, logic, and all other scientific means of proving something. All can be shot down with 'oh yeah- you'd FEEL different if you got C19!" If we continue with 8 more years of this, we will definitely have a cross between technocracy and idiocracy.
The unfalsifiable claims, as you point out, the totally childish 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' application by politicians (and it's opposite). That is - 'we locked down and did better than country X, therefore the lockdown worked'. Which by itself would never be accepted in ANY field of work. At which point you go to multiple countries where they did the OPPOSITE, and ensure they had the opposite outcome. They did not. And so, as ELGATO did months ago, you repeat this across dozens of jurisdictions, look for correlation between stringency and outcomes via XY scatter plot and correlation coef. Then you see complete lack of correlation in this case.
My experience has been that once you push 2 or 3 layers down into their lack of logic, the believers simply change subject or give you the 'would have been worse', 'overwhelmed', whatever lets them back to believing their governments.
I used to debug and troubleshoot mobile devices in the field before mass production. If you had a problem, you take 100 sample devices, repeat the problem reliably, then apply a proposed/suspected solution to 50 of those devices. Then take all 100 back to the field, and ensure that if the problem arises, that it is, only seen on the 50 unmodified devices. To be thorough, you then take the repair solution out of the 50 modified units, and apply it to the other 50 - again to ensure the problem stays with the unmodified devices. I.e. your 'fix' 100% repairs all 50 units, and the problem only ever stays those without the fix. Can't be done with people of course, but they didn't even bother to attempt a double-blind study since the unblinded the whole placebo group.
![Sal the Agorist on Twitter: "When the public 'schooling' kicks in https://t.co/vcOoVmczHo" / Twitter](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8de77b10-9b13-4049-8596-20ca598737a3_1072x804.jpeg "Sal the Agorist on Twitter: "When the public 'schooling' kicks in https://t.co/vcOoVmczHo" / Twitter")
How does one counter the ‘but variants’ narrative? I’ve heard from so many believers that everything - masks, lockdowns, vaccines would have worked but for variants.
When I point out that vaccine evading variants can only exist if there’s a vaccine - I get blank looks.
perhaps the more interesting question is "would we have even had the omicron wave had we not vaccinated?"
this variant looks old. it diverged from a much earlier strain, it is not descended from delta.
would it have ever even come to prominence if not for the evolutionary pressure applied by a leaky vaccine?
it appears to be a highly optimized OAS strain. that does not happen by accident. it happens because you applied a selector.
if you have leaky vaccines, this is a near inevitable outcome.
it is, in fact, why we do not use leaky vaccines.
this was always going to end this way.
Yup. Geert Vanden Bossche has been totally vindicated on these points he's been making since the beginning of the #scamdemic. Every prediction made has come true. It's really just biology 101 selective adaptation at work. If people would just stop & think for a few minutes on this perhaps basic common sense would kick in and the light bulb would turn on. But no. Best to listen to the Fauci's of the world.
-->"If people would just stop & think for a few minutes on this perhaps basic common sense would kick in and the light bulb would turn on."
Nope. I'm afraid the light is on, but no one is at home. In this Orwellian world, the public watches their telescreen, absorbs the messaging (propaganda), participates in the daily two-minutes-of-hate (cancel culture), and goes back to whatever they were doing...
We're damn lucky we got omicron. Imagine if we'd gotten something just as contagious, but deadlier than delta. It was fully within the realm of possible (cf. Marek's disease).
I feel this is what's in store for Fall 2022. I.e. an IFR of approx. 1% (C19 settled in at 0.15% per Iaonnidis and others). All the narrative around changing 'fully vaccinated' to 'up to date'. And the fact that they are all repeating the 'gosh darn it doesn't stop spreading or getting it' combined with Gates 'we did a really good job of reducing symptoms, now we just need one that blocks transmission'. The masses will be clamoring to 'update their subscription', continue the literal virtue signaling (posting their fat faces on IG with their Green pass and thumbs up), and amplify the 'I'm doing my part' yet again.
Am still speculating that Omicron was released on purpose as a "natural vaccine," considering the timing. Anyway, we will know everything eventually.
Ethical Skeptic has been tracking that as well. They can soak the world in a targeted fashion it seems.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1487167629563416581
https://mobile.twitter.com/covidtweets/status/1494698983691898891
Not a smart person but do use my limited critical thinking, why on earth you'd use something that would have taken for years to be appeared "safe.", but something totally new on human to be "safe and effective" in less than a year of development, allegedly? Fear is the ultimate weapon, and the anticipation of fear is the driver. Nice work by those "people"
Bingo!
I always thought that omicron was released on purpose, although I still haven’t figured out why they would orchestrate that. Isn’t it a great grandmother of delta, not a great granddaughter?
My initial theory was they wanted to “vaccinate” the obedient vaccinated so they would be protected when they release the really deadly next variant. They definitely need to eliminate those of us who remain unvaxxed and in the “control group”. The sheeple would mostly survive the next deadly variant because they had omicron and the unvaxxed would be gone so that they don’t have any resistance against carrying out the rest of their evil plan. I’m not as confident with this theory now, though, and mould love to hear what other SubStackers are thinking.
I've been trying to puzzle this out too. How about this: they needed a milder wave of illness so they could say, "Hey, the jabs work, people aren't dying as much anymore!"
The fact that unjabbed people also get omi & it is less serious can easily be fudged over in the figures, the way they are doing all the other magic with the figures.
In Australia, when jabbed people die it is always because they didn't get boosted yet. That is a story that can be kept going for quite a while longer!
A lot of us unvacced survived the virus already, we're just waiting for everyone to catch up.
I don’t get your theory - since unvaccinated also get omicron, they would also be immune. Am I missing something?
I guess I was thinking that maybe there was something in the jabs that would protect the vaccinated from the new frankenvariant, over and above natural immunity or maybe the majority of the unjabbed have no natural immunity (like me?). As I said, I can't figure out why they released omicron so I'm looking for theories that make more sense than mine?
The theory I heard was the white hats were fighting back.
What's an OAS strain? (What does OAS stand for?)
Original antigenic sin. Gato and many others predicted this a while ago.
Except that markers appear to be more of an ADE issue than an OAS issue. Omicron appears to infect vaccinated people at greater rates, more easily, than unvaccinated. However, it doesn't appear to have any worse outcomes for the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. In other words, it appears to be able to elude antibodies upon initial infection in the vaccinated better but ultimately both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are able to mount similarly effective immune responses to recover after symptomatic infection.
that is not really proof of ADE and is also consistent with OAS.
and we have hard evidence of OAS in the failure of those vaccinated to learn to generate N antibodies, even after getting covid and recovering.
the case on OAS is pretty well established and the case for ADE seems speculative at best.
I'm not talking in terms of proof because we do not have proof of ADE or OAS in this particular instance. What we have are signals, but I'm not sure when you say "the case on OAS is pretty well established and the case for ADE seems speculative at best" you're talking about in this specific instance or in general immunological terms. If it's the latter, I'm afraid that's dead wrong and backwards. ADE is an established immunological fact and OAS is mostly theory from what I can tell, which doesn't mean it's not real.
I recommend going over to Unglossed and reading Brian Morey about this.
Is that so? From what I have read, the vaccinated, particularly the triple vaccinated, were more likely to have symptomatic infections which suggests unvaccinated immune systems had a better mucosal response to prevent any significant viral load building up and quickly were able to stop viral reproduction. This would be due to T Cell response (cell busters) rather than antibodies (virus busters) which deal with circulating virus not virus embedded in cells - the virus factories. Doesn’t it suggest that vaccinated immune systems became preoccupied with making antibodies (OAS) rather than effective T Cells, or producing T Cells which remembered the original protein spike so were ineffective against Omicron. Antibodies are important to outcome but play little part in onset. If you don’t get the disease presence or not of antibodies is irrelevant. I am not an ‘expert’, just following the logic.
It stands to reason that if you are more likely to be infected at all, you'd also be more likely to be symptomatically infected. So not sure that can automatically be attributed to a superior mucosal response or just regular probability. Also not sure that a weaker first line of defense is a characteristic of OAS, but it is of ADE. I'm also not sure OAS (immune imprinting) is actually a thing beyond theory. Brian Mowrey over at Unglossed makes some smart and well supported arguments that it's not actually a thing. ADE is definitely a real thing, though not enough known if that's happening with these vaccines or not. Some signals to worry about though.
All that said, the data I'm aware of related to Omicron shows an infection affinity for vaccinated immunity but haven't seen evidence it also results in higher hospitalization and death rates for the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. If immune imprinting is real, I would expect vaxxed immunity (no natural immunity before vax) to suffer the worst hospitalization and death outcomes on an IFR basis. Vaxxed who were "imprinted" with natural immunity prior to being vaxxed should be similar or same as unvaxxed. And a booster should not make things worse, since the immune response should be based on first / original immune response, not boostered immune response. The fact that the greater the dose of vaccine, the more susceptible to infection and/or illness feels more inline with ADE to me. But I'm no medical expert. I'm just an analyst in a completely different field who has read a lot and tried to understand what I can about this whole fiasco of a public heath response our benevolent public health "experts" have foisted upon us.
The antibodies " hold open the door" (ace2 receptor) and enable the virus to freely enter the cell in ADE .
In OAS the single protein targeted on the spike of the original bioweapon no longer exists , thus no " triggers for the immune reaction.
This observational study from Fall 2021 seems to support that conclusion: Higher percentage of variants in regions with higher percent vaccinated:
"Mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2 Evolution Revealing Vaccine-Resistant Mutations in Europe and America"
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.1c03380
I read somewhere that the Chinese vac was more effective in the long run then the mRNA vacs due to increased tcell responses. Have you seen this?
Yes, that’s supported by the wide range of T-cells induced by the Chinese vaccine vs little & narrow repertoire from genetic vaccines.
Imo nobody should have been vaccinated but instead used effective safe early treatments https://c19early.com/
The time required to obtain evidence of adequate safety Of a novel vaccine is longer than any reasonable expectation of a pandemic. Nobody should ASSUME anything about safety, especially new technologies. Evidence trumps opinion all day.
I take IVM when traveling and more so last year. Now I keep it on hand. Those closest to me would rather quote the media about the dangers of IVM. IVM is a medicine in my cabinet along with many other OTC pills.
See my post above with the link to the study. I tried pasting the link in this reply but for some weird reason, it would not paste.
Also Alex Berenson discusses this in his substack https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/no-wonder-china-isnt-using-mrna-shots?utm_source=url
Here is the link to the study. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/resp.14191
They use the "traditional" vaccinology approach.
If so, that means they’ve grown bulk virus. Hundreds of litres of high titre medium.
Why aren’t papers flying out of universities on this first to grow bulk virus?
I’m suspicious until that data shows up.
It's the 5% of non-vaxxers causing the increase in deaths.
Yes, that must be it. 🙄
And there appears to be an unlimited supply of people in this 5%. How else do we explain a pandemic of the unvaccinated that persists month after month.
Exactly this !! Supposedly 10% unvxd in Canada where I am spreading it all the time... where are they, who are they ? .... not one vax zealot can explain it to me.
Pesky control group. Such troublemakers! Why must we always have to be getting rid of them?!
Pureblood, superstraight, in da house!
Us 5%ers are very busy. GO MAFF!
Don't know about Scotland, but I think they saw the data in the UK, and the "true" data will expose the scam- https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021.
Even the CDC, if you dig deep enough in its weekly report, it will tell you only 5% died FROM Covid, not with Covid. It was around 6% (5.8 to be exact) in Aug 2020.
The range of annual flu death, in the US, is between 30K-60K per year. You do the math.
"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death."
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR0nz36pTfb8BZPwtxJ49-s8lHV7lQ1eQSmk0r06QueL6Eem4pWSzJz9Ouc#Comorbidities
More deaths...and not all from Covid.
We knew right off the top that variants would evade any vaccine for this. That's why there hasn't been a vaccine for the common cold (before we reached peak stupidity).
I don’t agree. The variants story is fake. The variants differ so slightly from the original sequence that there’s no chance of immune escape if you have the normal breadth of immune repertoire that comes from natural immunity. Evidence supports that assertion since virtually no one gets clinically important covid19 twice.
A good vaccine would have seen off all variants easily.
Though imo no vaccine should have attempted, especially new technology agents.
That’s because the time required to obtain good data showing it’s safe longer term takes longer than the pandemic would likely have lasted.
It’s mostly a fraudulent pandemic anyway,
Ventavia whistleblower Brook Jackson tells it but who’s listening? https://paine.tv/exclusive-pfizer-vax-trial-manager-tells-all-blows-whistle-on-data-brook-jacksons-shocking-revelations-during-her-first-sit-down/
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
That being so, how are differing levels of severity attributed to different ‘variants’? I found it suspicious that a new ‘variant’ arrived just at the right moment to justify continued/increased restrictions. So is it the case that the immune response in the population to the Coronavirus 2 is evolving over time with exposure, so milder cases are due to faster immune reaction, fewer really susceptible people left who have not had CoVid and survived, or died, rather than alleged less virulent ‘variants’?
It’s impossible to be sure & that statement applies to the authorities.
The PCR test in mass testing mode is utterly meaningless.
The research I read says that variations in severity are largely due to blood Vit D levels.
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3596/htm
I see your reasoning. But is this not the reason we did not, despite the aspirations of so many, ever have vaccines for the common cold before? Is this not also the reason that the flu vaccines get "updated" (and are always a step behind) every year?
It’s not possible to obtain a vaccine for “the” common cold because it’s not what we’re told.
Common cold is the term we give to a related set of mostly upper respiratory tract symptoms, caused by any of around 60 different viruses (so the story goes).
If you gain long lasting immunity to one virus, there’s another 59 from which you can get another cold.
So yes, we’d need a large number of vaccines & of course it’s not worth doing for most people.
It’s often missed that there are upsides to getting certain viruses, the presumed immunostimulus helping to reduce other diseases, even cancers.
Flu vaccines, I’m not sure what’s happening there. I believe they’re the only important respiratory tract infection that changes it’s antigenic shape every year. It mutates via antigenic shift.
SARS-CoV-2 mutates slowly via antigenic drift. It has error detect / correct “wet ware”. So it’s considered a stable virus, contradicting the media story. Though we’re told about 35 changes or so in spike, it’s important to know that spike protein alone is 1273 amino acids & the whole virus close to 10,000 residues.
In that light, 35 is de minimus.
Yes, DOCTOR. All of us around here who didn't think to put our credentials in our usernames had no idea that the common cold is associated with more than one specific virus.
Everything that was known prior to March 2020 had been erased from the Universe. Any who say otherwise are guilty of mis/dis-information and fake news. Repent sinner!
And the particularly ridiculous part is that some of them want to mandate "vaccines" because, while Omicron is mild, there may be a scary new variant in the fall, and we'll need a "vaccine" for that. Never mind that if there is a scary new variant in the fall, we can be just about certain it'll be even better than Omicron at evading "vaccine" induced immunity.
Specially since they still use the alpha shots
Don't forget, omicron shots are coming next month.
DO NOT TAKE THESE no matter the threats. There’s no safety data & virtually a free pass on regulatory CMC.
No one knows what’s in them. Seriously. These people are not your friends.
One of the strengths of the mRNA platform is that new "vaccines" can be rapidly developed. The primary downside of them, and which is seldom mentioned in the press, is that their long-term safety and even efficacy is unproven. What little I've read doesn't seem to give one much optimism for those two rather important traits. I suppose I'd try them if I were facing imminent death or suffered a serious ailment and they offered promise. But short of that? No thanks. Perhaps given many years of testing and refinement they will be safer, but now? Hell no.
The speed of development rules them out completely for any massed public health application.
Inadequate safety assurance.
I believe for this reason these vaccines have killed far more than they’ve saved (if any).
I've yet to read anything that would convince me the vaccines have saved anyone at all. Unless I've somehow missed it.
Not to mention the lipid nanoparticles are toxic when dosed multiple times…
🙉🙉 no they are safe and effective 🤪
Or perhaps for some other disease all together. Maybe they will have some use for certain cancers or something, but who knows? I agree, safety and efficacy are pretty crucial, and these seem to have neither of those traits.
No, it never worked in things that needed multiple doses because the nanoparticles are toxic. That’s why Moderna switched to vaccines
Ah, yes. To be rolled out some time in the fall, I presume, just in time for the Sigma variant...
I wonder how many weeks of testing these will have? Most likely less than 2 months so the antibodies don’t fade. The real point of these is for a vaccine mandate push in the autumn.
Just in time for it all to be over. What an absolute joke.
knockknock!
“who is it?” asked Omicron.
“Alpha!” replied Alpha😆😬
Human death is spiritually difficult for humans, but not all deaths are untimely. When a chicken is terribly sick, the hawk swoops in. When a person is terribly sick, a mild illness like Omicron can do them in. I just recovered from it myself. It was indeed mild. I used to work in long term care facilities. Teensy weensy colds end the lives of people who are hanging on by threads every day, and always have. That isn't to say compassion for those who die or lose loved ones isn't called for. And true compassion recognizes complexity.
Pneumonia from flus and colds was always called the old man's best friend. It may be a more merciful way to go than suffering with cancer or being bed ridden for years without the possibility of gaining better health. It is very sad when we lose loved ones, but it is a fact of life many don't want to acknowledge.
I remember reading an article a few months ago by some woman whose elderly parents were both suffering from terminal cancer, and she wanted them to have luxury of dying of their cancer, rather than of COVID. I first thought it was satire, but as I read on, it became clear the woman was serious.
That is hard to get the head around. Her selfishness of wanting them around as long as possible brought her to that thinking, in my opinion.
A family friend passed away in the summer of 2019. She had breast cancer but it was pneumonia that took her out. I'm glad she passed away then because she was able to have a proper homegoing service. She was a wonderful woman and touched a lot of lives. She deserved that celebration.
Well said.
The person I was referring to was healthy.
I thought you might be and I am sorry to have been disrespectful. Cases like this make me very angry, because early treatment and additional therapies were suppressed and denied. In my mind, that is criminal not to treat someone in a life threatening position with any tool available.
Virtually no previously healthy people were killed by this virus.
Remember bad PCR testing & inappropriate attribution makes it look far worse than reality.
Better get rid of cars, pools, scissors, knives, pretzels, the flu. Oh wait there is no more flu.
Lol yes. Car accidents are by far much more deadly. Especially for non comorbid folks… should we ban cars?
Don't give them ideas!
It is very rare for an unvaccinated person to die from Omicron.
I didn’t specify whether these dead people had been jabbed or not. The person I was thinking about had been jabbed and was healthy.
The King is not renowned for his logic after all
Omicron was the mildest viral infection my school aged kids have had all year. Have the widows call me.
Do you think that the widows would be pleased to know that Vitamin D sufficiency was more protective than the injections? Would they thank our rulers who have corrupted the research and banned early treatment which has been well described since 2020?
At what point would you explain the 2 week post-injection immune suppression, and the negative injection efficacy after 3-6 months, and that the 2020 shots were not useful against Omicron?
Or heaven forbid, fat shaming. I actually have a friend who lost 60 pounds in the past year, because the 2 people he knew who died of COVID-related illness were both obese. THAT’S the other lifestyle factor that needs to be pummeled into people's brains.
Is strep throat a "mild" illness? It does kill, exceedingly rarely, but it does kill. My point, of course, is that if killing people proves that something is NOT mild than virtually no virus ever would qualify as "mild."
True, and if you have strep symptoms, test positive, you get a treatment for strep and voila you're cured. Symptoms->test->treatment->cured. But Covid? Oh nooo: No symptoms->test->isolate->rinse/repeat or; symptoms->test->lock yourself in your basement and rot for 10 days->turn blue->go to hospital->get toxic dose remdesivir->ventilator->dead. Seems to me its not the illness that's deadly ;-).
If someone has died 'of' Omicron, they would certainly have died very soon of something else.
Classic argument from emotion without any supporting evidence, responding to
this is like arguing with a four year old.
GvdB: The end of the muppet show is near: https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/message-for-the-youngsters-the-end-of-the-muppet-show-is-near-and-that-is-good-news
Rogier
This link is so excellent!!
that's why I tweeted it to some of our local (NY) politicians, arguing that if GvdB could explain it to a child, maybe they could finally get it...
I hope they pay attention, from lifesitenews regarding fired nyc employees: “They’re not being terminated, they are quitting,” insisted the mayor, according to ABC7NY News, in an attempt to justify his stance.
I posted it all over my social media too
Yes, this is excellent! Thank you for sharing; I’m passing it on to others.
Can I be the chicken with the meat cleaver chasing the Italian Godfather? 😅
Vvandenbossche states that variants come indeed from vaxxing while the virus is going around. No shots during sickness. First there should have been advise on living healthy and strengthen your body when needed with vitamins and minerals. Then they should have looked at every med available for a cure. And when all were healed they could have gone on to search for a vaccine. But then again they harm a healthy person. A needle hole can let virus in. And there is no safe and effective vaccine. Every year children die from measles vaccine
During an interview early on I remember Dr. Malone saying "you don't vaccinate into a pandemic". I thought - what does that mean. So I looked it up. People seem incurious.
Also vitamin D. No talk of it outside our bubble. I take NAC and doubled it when sick. I think it really helped. I have asthma so I worried about mucous.
We’ve been on the Zelenko protocol since July 21, with Quercetin, but had been taking all the usual vitamins and supplements previous. My wife got Delta in October, and was fairly ill for 3 days with fever, but added NAC during that time. Day 4 fever broke and by Day 5, felt 90% better.
We just went thru Omi, and again, she had 2 days of fever, but is bouncing back. She has a mild auto immune disease, but has never wanted to get jabbed. Omi for me was a mild cold, no fever, scratchy throat and some flow. Big Deal!
We know people fully jabbed, who have been in bed for a week from Omi. No doubt, the jabs make it worse, their immune systems are failing them!
Are you the same DanBC from SDA?
Quercetin also helps people with asthma. So it probably helps with the lungs (as well as getting the zinc into the cells). My husband and I have had the same symptoms (I had more lung congestion and still have some). My husband additionally had muscle and joint pain from the hips down. He was thinking it was due to some cytokine activity. It lasted two days. It just dawned on me I cannot smell well. I smell some things, but it does not smell like the thing - coffee smells like tires burning. Hope that goes away. I had the flu right before. WAY worse. Seriously way worse. So glad you and your wife are well. Tell your jabbed friends that you thank the non jab for having such a mild case. I know I will.
Maybe you need to be more plain. "Vaccines cause variants. Look it up if you dare, It is YOU." They understand it and do not like it. You won't convince them these vaccines are harmful cuz... death, but for a fleeting moment they will see the light. Or not. Who cares?
They dare not look at the light. You put the needle in your arm or God forbid and suddenly realize you hit your own (and kids) autodestruct button. Whew.
It's an RNA virus. Variants are what RNA viruses do. It's the reason there's no vaccine for HIV in 35 years. Saying "if it weren't for variants" is like saying "if it weren't for tornados we wouldn't have all these homes damaged by extreme weather every few years".
You counter the variants argument by letting them know that it's well-established that corona respiratory viruses always mutate and do so fairly quickly. It's literally impossible to vaccinate the entire world with a vaccine that is keyed to one variant before other variants will arise and possibly defeat the current vaccine (see, Omicron).
Although it's also true that vaccines that need to be distributed over the whole world will set up the conditions for variants to select for vaccine evasion, I think this will go over a lot of people's heads. If you just focus on the simple idea that variants are guaranteed to arise quickly, it is obvious that all 8 billion people can't be vaccinated fast enough to stamp out the original virus before new variants put us back to square one.
It sure is lucky the 'variants' popped up exactly when the seasonality theorists said they would, isn't it? 'Variant' is simply an excuse for vaccine failure.
And by its very nature, a respiratory virus is going to vary over time. I suppose this is the reason we've had such trouble creating a vaccine for these viruses in the past.
Those of us who advocate for a woman's right to home birth and natural birth are quite familiar with this "thank goodness" thing. I can't tell you how many times I have listened as women tell about hemorrhaging or some other terrible adverse outcome during or after a medically-assisted hospital birth, saying "good thing I was in the hospital" and "thank goodness for modern medicine". We have loads of data showing that medical interventions, prohibitions against movement and eating, etc worsen outcomes for birthing mothers and infants. Anyway. This is the modern medical delusion at work.
I certainly can’t speak on matters of maternity medicine, but I learned long ago that the medical establishment is not in the business of healing. They are in the business of managing disease—and now in the business of creating disease to be managed.
The medical establishment is proven to be an utter failure at treating ALMOST ALL chronic disease. Acute issues, yeah it can be great but otherwise you need to take your health back from the medical establishment.
My doc eventually moved further away from his GP role, as he recognized the options were pill, cut, or refer. Patients largely wanted magic bullet pills and felt better for walking out with a precious script clutched to the bosom.
But, docs often hate seeing chronic patients enter the door, esp with conditions like cfs or fm. They have nothing for them and one senses they wish the patient would just go away. The patient reminds them of the inadequacies of allopathic medicine. These patients oft gravitate to natural medicine and may find some assistance. But, yes, allopathy does have success with acute. Thanks for pointing out the distinction.
Good distinction between chronic and acute, and framed succinctly.
We got your laxatives and also your toilet paper.
Totally get that. In fact, if I'd been at hospital to give birth each time, I definitely would've had horrid outcomes!! As it was, home births were the best options for me - and would probably be the best options for most women if only they'd get their head around it all and be SUPPORTED in their decision. I think we may both feel rather strongly on this point, hoohoo!!
Anyway, there's just no telling people sometimes. When they have a belief this strong, who needs science, religion - or anything?! Kind of makes me feel even more sorry for people through history, like Galileo. Or even poor Semmelweiz who was laughed at his whole life just trying to get physicians to practice basic sanitation so they didn't kill new mothers! These people were SO ahead of their time and they were not just locked out of society but their lives were destroyed, all because their views differed from the current views. They may have been in the severe minority, but their views were CORRECT.
If a person hasn't gotten used to being scoffed at by the time they are in their 40's, they probably don't have much reason to feel confident in their own intellectual capacities. Life is too important and too short for conformity.
I agree with what that guy said. 🙂
yup. Can attest to this.
"I gave birth at home"
"Really? weren't you worried about all those awful things that can happen?"
"They're much more likely to happen in a hospital"
" 😶 Well, better to be safe"
I have yet to have children and am interested in home birth. Would you mind elaborating on this a little, please? What makes you confident they wouldn’t have had such complications at home/ they were caused by medical intervention?
This isn't really the place to open that can of worms, but what makes me confident about what I said is the research that affirms it. I am not saying any individual would not have had the same complications under different circumstances, necessarily, because I'd have to be psychic to confidently say that. But I can say with confidence that pitocin, for example, is strongly associated with all manner of undesirable birth outcomes. Birth is totally effed by nature. Like sex and death, it's just freaking wild and it ought to be freaking wild because it's as important as anything could be. It ought to be psychedelic, and when it is, biochemical magic occurs in both mama and baby that weaves them together for the next chapter. One of the big issues with modern birth industry is that it seeks to sanitize birth, and in the process of doing that it prevents deep, dank, primal bonds.
Yes!!! After my births, I felt like a warrior. It's good to know your strength and power as you enter the next phase of motherhood. Also, I was keenly aware that my babies and I had gone through an unbelievable rite of passage together.
I was just thinking that when I read your response! It’s the ancient female initiation, rite of passage. Men have their concocted rituals but women didn’t need them, we always had child birth
There are so many aspects to birth that rely on a hormonal cascade. That cascade tends to happen best when the mother is calm, with no bright lights, intrusions, timetables or interventions.
That said, things can sometimes go wrong. We don't move or squat like our ancestors did, so we tend to have much less pelvic floor flexibility (among other things). I think the best is to have an experienced midwife and be within a drive of a hospital if something does go awry.
That makes intuitive sense to me. I plan to squat and use hypnosis and will consider water birth. I don’t want my legs up in the air in stirrups!
Sounds great :)
(Also, I've never understood the stirrup thing. Very convenient for the doctor but terrible for the mother!)
My three children were born at home. My (ex) wife was convinced that hospitals do almost everything wrong around birth, and birth isn't a medical procedure.
Our midwife was very experienced and solid. The two boys were both breech, and it went fine. The midwife had a policy of not doing breeches at home, but the first boy hid the fact very well, and the second time the wife persuaded her. The second boy (third child) also didn't breath for several minutes after birth, but he was still on the cord, so no problem.
No good midwife would put your legs in stirrups. You'll find the positions that feel right. And your partner can support you if you want.
Our friend that did a water birth some 16 years ago had a beautiful son, but he is a super passive person to the point of being autistic. I just have to wonder if part of the struggle to get born and the contrast from the womb to the air is somehow important for the baby, the challenge of it needed for vigorous life. Just a guess from observation, we will never know. He is a nice guy but lacks vigor.
Read Ina May’s Guide to Childbirth
Yes! And read Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering. And Orgasmic Birth.
Hi black cat, agreed with hoohoo that this isn't really the place to open up this can of worms...but since you asked ;-)
The main problem I have noticed in my 16 years of health work is that women are not supported by the hospital system. They are not allowed to 'do their thing' in the timeframe that is right for their body/baby. Hospitals always want to intervene. And one intervention leads to another...
Here in Oz, I have yet to come across a hospital that does NOT have a rule that antibiotics must be administered if a woman's waters broke 24 hours ago, yet the STUDIES show that it's safe to go 72 hours post-waters breaking before the need for antibiotics. So what happened to that other 48 hours?! It just got dismissed by the hospital system - yet that time can be a crucial part in a natural birth.
Studies also show that doing C-sections early (eg 37 weeks) leads to developmental delays by the time the kid reaches school-age, but SO many C-sections are still performed early - often for no good reason other than the Mum wants it out coz she's sick of carrying it around inside her! It would seem to me that hospitals work to their own agenda, with Science coming in a poor 7th. And the more they do this, the less women - and men - are going to trust their bodies and their choices and their gut instincts. Then we end up with problems like people falling for covid crap because they place their trust in governments and those in white coats instead of themselves.
I didn't have any cervix dilation for 24 hours for either of my first two births. It would've been automatic IV antibiotics for my first + syntocin injection, with C-sections for both my first two births. My bubs and I needed none of that. But, had I had x2 C-sections, you think I would've even thought I could've managed a natural birth the 3rd time around? Let alone a 2 & 1/2 hour labour for my 3rd birth?! I loved that 3rd birth especially - it was that 'I am woman, hear me roar' thing and it meant A LOT to me.
I never needed to be cut open for major abdominal surgery, my babies did very well in the circumstances and I had trust in my body. I also had (and still have!) an awesome hubby by my side to help and support me through it all.
The thing is, hospitals tend to disempower women and use old techniques that make women feel inferior and stressed - which kicks the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) into gear rather than the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS) - which means labour slows down and then abracadabra, a C-section is required! It's EVIL what hospitals do. Utterly evil and contemptible, and yet they'd say they were doing all that 'life-saving' intervention for your health and the baby's health. Ha!! So rarely is this the case.
I'm astonished at the lack of faith in basic biology, of women (and men) that I speak with who seem to genuinely think that birth outside of a hospital is impossible. It's only recently that birth is considered to be in the realm of medicine.
Indeed it is. I guess that shows you how susceptible modern day humans are to stupidity! If they're going to ignore their instincts, they're sure in for a bumpy ride.
In my 16 years of practice, there have been SO many women who have just held onto their bad births (hospital ones...) for absolute DECADES. I could write a book about it - but no-one would want to read it. However, I can't say the same for the women who've given birth naturally. They tend to be a lot more relaxed about it.
But imagine if the medical staff were honest about it and said "Well, we're not going to support you in your birth, and you're going to let us not support you, and the birth is going to be horrid, probably touch and go at times, and you might have physical problems for YEARS afterwards, possibly psychological, too, but don't worry, we'll swoop in and save the day, even though we created this mess by not letting you believe in yourself, and guess what? You get to re-live this trauma for the rest of your life and never let it go. Won't that just be awesome?! Now, lie down, put your feet in these archaic stirrups and just hand over your life to us." It's almost Monty Python-esque...
It seems like the more people get educated, the dumber they generally get because they lose their instincts; it's almost like having those 'instincts' means you're a dumb animal or something? Yet I look around and see those with no instincts as the 'dumb animals'. Our goats are cleverer than most people I meet!
My great-grandmothers (& all the previous women before them) all gave birth at home. That was how it was done. And people survived. My great-grandmother was a woman who was barely 5-foot tall and she had twins! I can't find a woman who died in childbirth in my family tree going back MANY generations. Funnily enough, the kids all survived the births, too!
But my grandmothers had their kids naturally in hospital - with no worries. My mother and all my aunts had their kids naturally in hospital, too, also with no worries. But my sister & cousins (bar 2 of them) had all their children in hospital, and most of them via C-section. Out of 16 births in my generation (by me, my sister & cousins from both sides), there were 5 natural births outside hospital (3 of them mine...), 4 natural hospital births - and 7 C-sections. And they were all PLANNED C-sections.
However, 3 of these women would've died from complications had there NOT been hospital intervention (massive cervix tear post-natural birth, massive blood loss with placenta praevia without C-section and probable serious infection & massive trauma without C-section). So I'm not sure if women have lost the ability to birth in just 2-3 generations in my family, or whether it's something a lot deeper than that.
If you're interested, I recommend Ina May's guide to Childbirth. In the second half of her book, she breaks down a lot of the ways medical interventions lead to complications (often called the "cascade of interventions"). The first half is a bunch of positive birth stories, which are very nice to read when you're expecting.
Agreed. My wife did a home birth for all of our children and had an excellent midwife. It has been awhile but the C-section rate for first time mothers was over 20%! I think doctors should be required by law to post their C-section rates on the front door to their office.
Dr. Marty Makary discusses the scam of unnecessary C-sections in his book "The Price We Pay." Excellent and eye-opening book on our medical-hospital system.
When I got pregnant, we lived in China. I decided to come home for the birth. My son decided to come 5.5 weeks early. I ended up with an epidural at a large teaching hospital. They told me I could push whenever I was ready. An hour later they came in and told me they were going to prep me for a C-section. I asked why and they said the baby was getting stressed. I explained that they told me that I could push whenever I was ready and I was waiting until my husband could get there (naive, I know) and that if they would have discussed the stress on the baby, he would have already been born. Two hours later my son was born. They were going to give me a C-section without even explaining that by waiting for my husband (It was a 13 hour flight, seriously, what was I thinking) I could possible hurt my child instead of saying push the kid out.
Whenever you are ready...limited by the doctor's schedule.
You missed a step. It goes:
*I got the jab
*It made me feel bad, that shows it is working with my immune system.
*Then I got covid...
Yeah like that photo of that goofball lady who was praising her now totally sick child for getting multiple jabs.
It just seems we humans are inventing NEW versions of child abuse.! As if there weren't enough versions already!! :-(
One of the reasons I suspect we may be at the End Of An Age in history
We are. Clearly.
Timing is impossible to ascertain though as Jesus told us nobody knows except The Father.
If I recall, the new testament also says the holy spirit will guide you into ALL truth.
I could NOT stop thinking of that last night. THANK YOU GATO!
Yes, the badass cat needs to add this step in!
Amazing mental illness affecting institutional and academic medicine. Total lack of perception about what is happening in their ICU covid units. Hospitals have become the “killing fields “ and concentration camps of America. Without asking for my advice, five of my friends have gotten admitted to our local hospital (where I used to work before retirement)... Without consent, all got intubated (and I am sure got Remdesivir) - four of five died .. one strong man survived a month in ICU and now has terrible brain fog. 80% mortality sorta fits what we are seeing fir hospitalized covid ICU patients. It fits. The last three words in the movie “bridge over the River Kwai” were “madness, madness, madness” boy oh boy does that fit today
In a way I'm most angry with health professionals for their complicity. The hospitals are killing people. They offer no early treatment, only a one-way street on a vent tube then to the morgue. For this they get paid a nice sum.
True health professionals are private practice doctors. 71% of MDs work for a paycheck from government or hospital. They are “lackeys” to the man who signs their paycheck. They are just doing their duty to quote 1940s German “doctors “ the doctors don’t get a penny increase. The hospitals and administrators are rolling in cash due to these insane treatments
I agree. Was in private practice for 30 years. My responsibility was to my patients. But as consolidation has increased the percentage of system employed physicians we have lost autonomy. These employed docs are told what to do or walk, or even worse lose their licenses. This is not new to the pandemic, consolidation and owning and controlling doctors has been pushed for over 2 decades. The ACA passage drove it further still. The pandemic has simply unmasked the control and how it has influenced care.
This is all about a sense of superiority, insecurity and collegiality. Too many professionals struggle with this. Society has put them on a pedestal, they enjoy the limelight, huddle proudly with their colleagues, and fear losing status with these colleagues. All that knowledge and wisdom hobbled by human frailty. Sad.
cognitive dissonance meets sunk cost fallacy.....
you just didn't vaccinate hard enough!
Please get in this leaky lifeboat with me because, even though it hasn't done anything I was told it would do and expected it to do, I want us all to go down together.
I deleted my twitter account and just can NOT do this anymore to be honest. Really it's sad to see people fall down the rabbit hole. Two years into "covid" COUGH COUGH and I am done... If people haven't come to understand this WHOLE disaster and still have this "if I didn't get the vaxx it would be worse" they cannot be helped.
Well, they *could* still come to their senses...but with everything they've had jabbed into them by then they will NOT truly be able to be helped. And most won't come to their senses, anyway. I've noticed my patients come to their senses more often after, and only after, they've had a BAD reaction to a covid injection (usually the booster...).
The thing is, people aren't going to question something they have no cause to question - until they DO have a cause to question. And by then it's usually too late.
It's not a good place most people are in right now :-(
Sometimes the biggest lies that people tell are the lies they tell themselves.
How do most people hold jobs?? How does the guy driving a Mercedes SL convertible with the roof down with a double mask on make the money to buy that car when his decision making process is that flawed??? Please tell me because it drives me nuts. And some well respected people...people I know and like tell me the same thing...just sounds nuts.
When I hear that I tell them how do you know? Where's the data to prove that? I can't say it's false just like you can't say it's true...it's just a dopey opinion and opinions by their very nature are unprovable!
It's like the guy married to the anti-Christ says "Oh well...my life would've been worse if I stayed single!" LOL!
I understand your sentiments. I do think, however, there are many(too many) jobs in which people are well compensated for following orders. It is not just the DC bureaucrats now. Or perhaps, many places of employment are hiring and promoting the bureaucratic, go along types. It sickens me too, but these folks can well afford nice cars. A few years ago, I had a bout with a cancer. I had many questions about the best treatment route to follow. The answers were always” standard of care” dictates blah blah. If this is how you perform as a doc, you can easily be replaced by a bot. But, it likely won’t be you. It will be your kids or grands. Meanwhile you can drive your SL or better without considering that your progeny will be riding the bus.
It’s slowly but surely moving from mass delusion to righteous anger.
Yep. Here is Steve Kirsch's interview with Canadian vaccinologist Byram Bridle: “The truckers are staging a peaceful protest that the media is distorting. They have the support of around 50% of Canadians. It’s tearing the country apart. There are fewer people in the middle now. People are picking sides.”
They have the support of 50% of Canadians and people are picking sides: so about half of Canadians support a Totalitarian government that is seizing bank accounts, depriving people of their ability to make a living, threatening to take their children, and killing their dogs,
We will soon be at the Madame DeFarge stage, but don't expect any Carmelite Nuns to come to the rescue this time.
Pretty much. Don't read any Twitter threads about the truckers. The comments will make you realize we live among a lot of truly evil human beings.
Fear is a powerful motive and it's been used 24/7 for 2 years. 50% of Canadians still believe the 'experts' because they don't know enough about either health or history to challenge the narrative. It's changing though. Media is not reporting on the huge crowds coming out calling for an end to the madness.
Alas, too many Canadians get their news from blatantly government-subsidized legacy media. If I accidentally turn on one of those news stations, in mere seconds I am frantically poking at the remote trying to change the channel. The Chicken Little Covid reporting is non-stop, and I cringe that the lies have entered my domicile like a toxic fog. And cringe more that I know my Canuck neighbours believe this evil swill.
Totally agree. I cringe when I take a look at the 'reporting'. I've been in groups of thousands recently all waving Canadian flags and asking for medical freedom to choose for ourselves what we want to do. That gets reported as nazi, racist, killers, etc. Whoever pays the salaries gets to say whatever he wants and Trudeau has cornered the legacy media. Now he wants to cut off all independent media. Pretty easy to see what's happening but many won't look.
We, too, stood at a 401 overpass in the biting cold, proud to wave the flag.
Frankly, it is scary right now (banks not open in some places, and folks who donated worried about their status), but I am half-wondering if this is false-flaggy sabre rattling designed precisely to scare, and perhaps even designed as a social experiment to gauge reactions (Canada got the short straw, along with Ontario).Perhaps a template for the next level of reset - you know, operating by the old trick of two steps forward, one back.
Again, I recommend the movie “Rat Race,” and the absolute requirement for everyone to read Orwell’s 1984.
I've thought the same. Pick a weak leader of a nation known for being easy going and accepting of authority and see what happens. If the weak leader is willing to do anything to elevate him/herself (Ardern comes to mind) in the eyes of those he's sold out to, how much can they get away with.
I and 3 coworkers had COVID in Dec 2021. I was the only unvaxed one. I had a fever for 4 hours and took horse paste that night and for the next 10 days. I really had no other symptoms than "tired." My vaxed coworkers had horrible coughs, congestion, headaches, etc. It took them all over 3 weeks before they started to feel and sound normal again. Imagine how sick I would have been without horse paste. 😉
I think one of the biggest factors in the self delusion is that people don’t want to admit that they lined up like sheep and let their government tinker with and inject their body with unknown and untested substances for their own petty vain selfish reasons. They thought they could go to restaurants, football games, concerts. Total insanity.
Ps. These are the same people who, when asked, say that they aren’t too worried that they may have dorked up their immune system because they believe it is stronger and more flexible than that. What?? Then why bother with the vaccine if it’s so omnipotent.
Omigods, yes! This drives me crazy.
"I did this insane thing to my body and continue to do it with boosters. But it's okay, because our bodies are miraculous healing machines!"
Um...
Yep! And now the vax passes are crumbling, so they got roughly three months of 'freedom' for their lifetime of worry about side effects.
I've a slight background in science (BS) and a bit more in literature (MA). So take that as a disclaimer for what it's worth.
In traditional science (e.g. before the "woke" took it over, which in case you didn't know, happened long before you were even born, at least in some fields; it's an ill going back generations.) there is/was a quite high burden of proof. This is especially so in the purer sciences: mathematics and its brethren. Let's just say for now that it is very, very difficult to prove something, to a scientific standard.
Quick aside: I never liked the verb "falsify," but that is, indeed what's used in academia. In common use, of course it means "to forge" or "to counterfeit." However, the more obscure usage in science means "to disprove" or "show to be false." Thus, to falsify a theory doesn't mean that you plagiarized or otherwise wrote a bullshit paper. Even though that clearly happens a lot. In fact, when research is done right, that's precisely what the working system WANTS to happen: to disprove a current theory, or conversely, to fail to disprove it, which tends to support the prior theory.
Absolute, final truth DOES NOT EXIST. It never has and never will. Even the best, most battle-tested, time-honored theories are always subject to falsification. If you ever hear the phrase "the science is settled, " you know you are dealing will a bullshit artist or a liberal arts major (but I repeat myself.) Of course, such absurd claims to final truth are common in religion and politics and similar mucky, swampy domains of human "thought."
Now I'm getting to what was sort of the intent of this post, ere I lapsed into verbal diarrhea. If you accept what I've told you above, that it is very difficult to definitively prove or falsify a proposition, consider the following statements:
Just because you cannot prove a statement, doesn't mean it's untrue. Or conversely,
Just because you cannot falsify a statement, doesn't mean it's true.
At this point, we enter the thicket of correlations, inferences and probabilities. This, alas, is where most "facts" in the real world reside. But all is not lost. The human mind and many of its creations are designed, either explicitly or implicitly, to be able to operate on incomplete information. In fact, if you think about it, that's about all we ever have available. If one demanded absolute proof of safety, for example, no one would ever take a pill, board a plane or even cross a busy street.
Public Health Scotland refusing to release its data is yet another class of problem. This gets more into psychology: basically the childish wish-fulfillment thinking along the lines of "If we don't see (or name) an evil, it doesn't exist and cannot hurt us."
Paging Lord Voldemort. White courtesy phone please.
Oh yes, the burden of proof. I earned a PhD in chemistry then took a career change and became a trial lawyer. My entire adult life has centred on proving things to a high and formal standard of proof using evidence. This COVID fiasco and upside down world has severely tested my sanity.
Your life has also involved (I presume) a heightened alertness to conflicts of interest and hidden agendas, etc.
I work with 35 attorneys in a mid-sized firm; (I am support staff; not an atty). Every.single.one of them old and young rushed out and got vaxed as soon as they were on the eligible list; some waiting hours on line to do so. Young women, just out of law school, newly married without kids yet.
My "sanity" - if that's the term - has been bolstered by a BIG push back against the firm's mandatory booster policy (now rescinded).
The relatively low and falling demand for the booster (in the US) is worth mentioning in the context of this post. Let's be alert for counter-evidence.
My husband and I are both attorneys. We talk frequently (even before covid) about how all of our classmates from law school have become completely unhinged. I think many intelligent people just have no common sense, intuition or discernment.
Lawyer here, also. I learned about two weeks into law school that there was no correlation between a law degree and objective intelligence. That's been confirmed multiple times over in my career.
Most of my colleagues and lawyers who I know are knee-deep in the orthodoxy such that I do not bother to discuss the topic. They all assume that everyone has been vaxxed because it's the morally correct thing to do. (Seeing how woke the ABA is, I will not be surprised to see the introduction of an ethical requirement to be vaccinated for COVID).
Many fit in gato's scheme based upon comments: "I was so-o-o sick with Omicron over Christmas. It would have been so much worse if I didn't get my booster."
Yeah, I work as an investigator for lawyers, and most seem to have taken the bait hook, line and sinker. Couple of my clients seem to actually be sane however. And your first paragraph is spot on with one addition, this applies to medical and other degrees as well.
I'm with you. A liberal arts education heavy on the science and mathematics concentration before changing directions and going into accounting/business in graduate school. My early career was in Big-8 (that ages me!) auditing. I've had to examine the basics and present proof also.
I've always been one to view the "news" with skepticism and look for validation elsewhere. A short stint touring in the old East German Republic awakened me at a young age to the dangers of government control and propaganda. Observing the amount of tripe that many people fall for without question has shaken me to my core.
Amen
I want to re-read Toms River by Dan Fagin. Maybe similarities? They knew the water contained poison. Children got sick, but not all children got sick. Hence, it’s not the water? If I recall it doesn’t have a smoking gun ending.
Az a woman of science ( retired) ... Bravo! Every. Single. Time someone blurts out " The Science is settled!" my brain rolls over in disgust.
Be brief- Liars figure and figures lie. Sums up “academic science”
El Gato Malo savage af
LOl, I know, right? So good.
Can I share a beautiful story?
Got my hairs colored yesterday. Wore a mask, as I'm in Maine & our Governor/CDC are insane.
My stylist wasn't wearing a mask. She said, "You don't need to wear that."
Me: "I'm unvaxxed. Won't you get in trouble with the CDC/State?" (Maine still pretends it's safer for the vaxxed to go about unmasked. Pretty sure they know it's bullshit. But then, so are masks.)
Stylist: "I'm not vaxxed. I've had COVID 3X & still keep getting it. But, I'm also still here. It's a cold for most of us and your health status is none of my business."
We then discussed all the vaxxed folk we know who got COVID anyway & moved on to girlie topics.
When I tell people I have had omicron they are very concerned because... no jab. How was it??? Me: I sat around, I laid around, I made food, did laundry and coughed my ass off. The usual.
I think they don't like that answer.
I'm pissed I'm not like that Nancy in the tweet above who lost his appetite. I never lose my appetite. Rats!
Me too. Plus I'm supposedly in the guaranteed death club due to my being very fat (I practice HAES, but certain types love multi billion dollar industry-funded data and correlations that fail to adjust for confounding variables when it allows them to attack fat people--god forbid
I engage in healthy behaviors to feel better and improve my actual health indicators and treat weight loss as a possible but not guaranteed side effect). I can't count the number of times I've been told that I will die horribly if I get covid and haven't been jabbed/lost weight, and the fat hate is as ugly as the unvaxxed hate.
What was my fat, unjabbed covid experience? Ten hours of mostly annoying body aches and fever. A few days of feeling tired and lethargic. Same for the rest if my family, who are also all "morbidly obese". I've had worse migraines. We've all had worse flus.
Color me unimpressed.
Thank you for posting this. I think it helps people - even the unjabbed who have not had COVID but still have some worries - to know that real people get COVID and it is not a visit from the grim reaper. People latch on to the worst stories because the mind goes there sometimes! The good news is you have this round of COVID past you and there is some sterilizing effect (hopefully fully) for the next variant. Meanwhile you move closer to better health. I looked up HAES. It takes a lot of gumption to getter done especially when society feels it is OK to be cruel. Can you imagine if they behaved that way to a person with lung cancer?
Color me impressed.
Yes they seem very upset you weren’t super sick and near death. You were lucky!!
the cat wins the internet, again. This and the "your mask ennobles me" post are pure gold
I also hear the en vogue my family and kids has omicron. It was mild because we were vaccinated. Nope. It was mild because you’re young and healthy.
We must do everything to protect an obese person from going to hospital with COVID to ensure that there’s enough hospital capacity for obese people with their usual ailments.
It may not stop transmission or prevent death but according to latest pfizer-funded study only the vaccinated go to heaven.
Why do the vaccinated have to act so dramatic about getting sick?
Because everything about CoVid for them is a drama, vaccination/masks is audience participation for people who want to feel part of the production, stricken with CoVid is getting a speaking part in the play which they can then ham-up for full effect.
It goes beyond drama, everything about covid to them is a religious experience...
Because, they were perpetually afraid in the first place and bought into the irrational fear and propaganda. So, they just HAD to get jabbed so that the Deathly Covid (99.9%) survival rate) would avoid them. But they still got sick, and are still irrationally afraid, hence, the DRAMA.
As said elsewhere on the thread, we’ve had flus far more vicious than Covid. I remember being in bed for a week, aching head to toe, no appetite at all, and leaking from all ends. That was at age 28, in my prime. At 58, I just got thru Omi as a very mild 3 day cold.
The lady who cuts my hair was, for the first time since covid, wearing a mask; I didn't ask, but she got to talking and it seems she got the omicron, then went out and got her vax. And telling me how "safe" she feels now that she got her vax......... I can't even at this point....
NEW - Public Health Scotland will stop publishing data on Covid deaths and hospitalizations by vaccination status because there are "significant concerns about the data contradicting the narrative"
Yep. I started saying this in 2020 when they put the lockdown idea out - that everything they did would be justified by, "But think how much worse it would have been if we hadn't!" Not "could" have been; "would" have been.
It is like a religion without the hope of an afterlife and without the meaning that belief in God gives you. Also, the believers really hate those who don't believe. Sad. And I know some of these folks. Sad.
My mechanic said the new tires probably saved my life, even though they blew out. Definately would have been worse if i had kept the old tires.
When assessing medical claims, it's important to remember the job of a doctor: selling medical procedures. Now, if those medical procedures work, it'll have some small positive benefit on sales, but - as anyone in business knows - the actual quality of a product is relatively unimportant to its sales. (Does anyone think McDs makes the world's best hamburger? Yet, it's inarguably the #1 burger chain.)
Thus, doctors will always favor products that result in higher total sales over products that actually work. Talk to any pediatrician and they'll tell you it's impossible to make money w/o vaccination. If vaccines impair health - resulting in lots of infections and other chronic problems - you'll make even more money!
Given those economic incentives, it's ludicrous to think that doctors will investigate the safety and efficacy of vaccines - they have literally no incentive to do so and lots of reasons to avoid such investigations.
One doesn't have to be a conspiracy theorist to think that people will respond to their economic incentives. If we pay doctors to "treat" our illnesses, they aren't going to help us avoid illness (and, thus, avoid paying them!)
If we combine their incentives w/ our own (few of us pay out of pocket for all of our care and many of us pay very little for any additional care), then nobody has an incentive to minimize treatments... and we get more treatments! (Indeed, it's been shown that people w/o medical insurance are healthier than people w/ Medicaid because a bad doctor is far worse than none at all!)
To be clear, there are counter-pressures that limit doctors' ability to over-treat, but those counter-pressures are imperfect; overall, we treat too many people for too many things (by which I mean we tend to favor treatments that are expensive & ongoing over cures & that we tend to minimize side-effects, preferring to "treat" them over avoiding them in the first place).
Economics explains why we spend so much achieving so little.
Medical-Industrial Complex explained. Bravo.
It gets funnier in a way. The man they hate and fear most--DeSantis--has been very pro-vax but completely anti-lockdown. He's like the black 'n white guy from the original Star Trek. Something to despite for everyone, but for the part they most revile, he's been right. No wonder their heads are starting to explode.
They will never admit that we, the filthy crazies, have been entirely right, when they can't even deal with him, who at least had believed in their fairy dust...
And doesn't help that this is the most unresilient generation ever. They've forgotten that sometimes when you get sick, you feel like death for awhile. When I was thirty I had a case of the flu so bad I fainted off the toilet seat and broke a tooth. Was out of work for a week and when I returned, a colleague saw me and reacted in horror because I must have looked like I'd been in the dungeon with the Dauphin. That's just how it goes but these guys just can't handle a fortnight of frightfulness.
I hope this comment gets more attention. I raised my Millennial son to be more libertarian in thought and process...yet he lost much of it in college and married a SJW. Sometimes I see the lights flicker back on. Sometimes he sees his mom isn't a crazy conspiracy nut.
Don't fret. This is normal. I was quite the little lefty radical in HS. Once wrote to the State Dept. asking why my passport couldn't be validated for travel to Cuba. Been through my religious phases--and not my parents' religion, neither. We mostly have to undoctrinate ourselves to have any real success in that grim journey towards adulthood (and there's plenty of superannuated children out there...)
Gives hope! Lol
Too true. And even resilient people have forgotten how to be resilient. I keep reminding people of the 2018 flu season when almost everyone in my area had some strain of flu, including what we called the 3-week flu (week 1, 102F fever; week 2, 100-101F fever; week 3, gradual recovery) or the strain that "went away" in a week but left people with a racking cough that lasted almost a month. And then we all got better, and meanwhile everyone went about their lives normally. But no matter how many times I remind people -- including the ones who were very sick that year -- all I get are blank stares or "but this is different, everyone is dying." Meanwhile, they're hard pressed to name anyone they know who's died OF (rather than with) covid.
Excellent summation. Most of us have been through those symptoms pre-Covid, yet, here we are.
Yes. Not only is there no resilience regarding illness but any minor unplanned event in life. A flat tire results in a 30-year old calling his/her dad to come and rescue them like a child. This is on the parents though, who enabled their special snowflake to get away with this and never taught them how to overcome adversity. This generation has the highest self-esteem in history despite having accomplished next to nothing.
Of course this is a broad-brush stereotype and there are always exceptions, but on the whole they are a pretty sad lot. On the plus side I don't have to worry much about competition for my job, so there's always a silver lining.
The vaccine is their holy savior—what you worship can do no wrong.
As quoted in “Is Government the New God? – The Religion of Totalitarianism” (https://academyofideas.com/2021/12/is-government-the-new-god-the-religion-of-totalitarianism/) by the ever-brilliant Academy of Ideas:
“Other reports tell of political officials and party followers who cried out ‘Long Live Stalin!’ as they were being taken out to be shot by the Soviet Secret Police.”
And:
“As in the Stockholm Syndrome, thus does the abuser become the perceived safe haven – a person or an entity to whom one can turn for help, mercy, forgiveness, comfort.”
—Alexandra Stein, “Terror, Love and Brainwashing”
They’re going hot and heavy on the pneumococcal vaccine now. Soon instead of weather we will just have vaccine seasons. $$$$$$$$$
When the date passes in which the doomsday cult was *certain* the world would end, the doomsday cult carries on. Same thing here.
I ask true believers if they still believe in Santa Claus.
Testimony to marketing skills.
As I recall from some decades ago, some Japanese business people were fascinated by the ability of American businesses to sell inferior products. They set about studying the formulae.
Now we have this jabmad fad (our society is so susceptible to fads) and the resultant burgeoning of globalist coffers.
The land of merchants utterly subdued by the merchants’ comprehensive, omnipresent marketing campaign. Every masked face is an ad for their profitable toxins.
Reminds me of the story where an American company placed an order with a Japanese manufacturer for some product and specified there should be no more than three defects per lot. When the order was delivered, the Japanese supplier said, "we don't understand why you want them, but here are the three bad ones you requested".
We get crap because we tolerate crap. Most people are too lazy to dig into things themselves, it's just easier to believe a lie than to actually exercise some critical thinking. Mild myocarditis is perfectly fine, it's normal that a vaccine doesn't stop you from getting a disease, there's no problem with masking toddlers when they are developing speech, and on and on ad nauseum.
Just like the movie though, once you take that red pill there is no turning back as the lies are everywhere and it's impossible not to see them.
Truth is truth, and you speak truth.
Communication and information is what it is, and the brain itself has no ability to discern if Cinderella is objective truth anymore than a recipe for sponge cake is.
Due to us always existing in a social context and always perceiving input (sounds fancy, doesn't it?) we varnish different kinds of information and communication as being inherently different due to how the forms vary. The Bible is seen as more [true] than Lord of The Rings, despite both being fiction (though The Bible leans more to historical fiction).
(Do note, this is not an attack on faith or creed - far from it. If one's faith needs mundane vulgar proof, the faith is not placed with the deity but in the material expression - like believing in church rather than god.)
Thus, you can sell pretty much anything using the right semantics. Want to sell a narrative? Start making up your own terms and jargon when describing reality. Only focus and emphasise what serves your purpose. Don't lie outright, only by omission and obfuscation. Make it profitable to belive what you are selling, both emotionally and(at least seemingly) materially.
And hey presto, after a couple of decades you too might have sold an entire civilisation on your idea, especially if those in power can make more from co-opting your ideas than by opposing them.
Aptly stated. The only criticism I might offer (and it's a service I offer gratuitously!) is, perhaps, implying that faith or creed should be immune from attack.
[Edit:] This is not saying that religion is all bad. A religion may offer a number of positive values, such as social and moral system, a sense of identity, and so on. My diatribe is directed at beliefs incompatible with science.
Irrationality and delusion are irrationality and delusion, no matter what it's called. To a large degree, our world is in the fucked up condition we find it precisely because of individual, group and mass beliefs that are poorly supported by reality. It doesn't matter very much whether the claim is that a barely-tested new gene therapy will prevent a virus, against much medical wisdom to the contrary, or that unbelievers will burn in hell for all eternity because they didn't eat a piece of bread or drink a sip of wine last Sunday or [insert the absurdity of your own choosing].
There is a lot of truth in your claims. I read a bit about economics years ago. One author said, and I think it's true, that the postwar Japanese success was slightly different. Now, what you say about "inferior" needs a bit of clarification. In any competitive consumer market, there is an enormous variation in quality. For example, in automobiles (1960s, say), near the bottom would be most Far East makers, American in the middle, and German at top. The Japanese genius was not to make junk, although certainly they did. At first. Their greatest success, probably, came when they aimed for the middle of a market and sold these at low profit margins. In other words, they produced what most people want: decent quality at the best price. This, in part explains why you probably drive a Japanese (or Korean, or...) made auto today, instead of the American (or English, or German) one your grandfather or father did.
All told, then, I would question your (implied) assertion that the Japanese became successful copying another nation selling inferior products. Beyond doubt though, is that advertising is a potent force in the market. Who dominates it then/now I don't know.
I didn’t mean to imply anything about Japanese success, only that they recognized the power of marketing. Just using that which I heard as an example of how this jab campaign has been so successful: the jabs aren’t effective or safe, but people are sold on them. It’s really amazing.
I was thinking more in terms of products like Coca-Cola and Pepsi. Successful all over the world, but lacking any nutritional value except for the necessary water in them. They displaced traditional beverages that have health benefits. Fad drinks.
As for the auto industry, the planned obsolescence Detroit engineered into their vehicles left Motown vulnerable to Toyota, Honda, and Datsun. But that’s another thing. My point is that they were correct in recognizing the power of marketing. And the success of the jab campaign is a product of intense marketing of the most pervasive sort.
I still maintain that the script/plot for the Scamdemic was hatched in Davos by a bunch of drunks viewing The Three Stooges, “Pest Man Wins”
Genius comparison.
There is also a part in "Pest Man Wins" where Larry hits Schemp's head with a hammer, and says "I saved your life- a mouse attacked you, and I got him with this".
wise guy, eh???
In the words of Larry after being clocked by Moe in "Sing a Song of Six Pants", which was proceeded with a "Oh, a wise guy, eh?"---"What'd I do????"
Hahaha! Or watching Rat Race, a hilarious movie that pretty well sums up the detached overlord and the sheeple.
I’m reminded of the story from England some months ago about the woman with COVID who spent a month in a medically induced coma only to (supposedly) be save people by a dose of viagra. Later she said something like “Thank goodness I was vaccinated! Imagine how much worse it could have been!” There might be a few things worse than a month in a coma, like being burned at the stake, and death, but… Really?
We just spent a long weekend with my daughter and her partner. Both of them are vaccinated and boosted: both came down with Cov-2 and are now unwell.
The three of us are unvaxxed, and have been testing negative for the whole week: despite sharing a house and car, and eating together for three days.
Absolutely bizarre!
The craziest thing has been that the people who've failed this logic test the worst have been the self identified intellectual crowd. The vast majority of them actually believe they're the smartest guys in the room - and often they have the degrees and pedigree to reinforce their self image.
Which is CRAZY because the official numbers have been available this whole time. Literally every datapoint we get confirms the original Diamond Princess info. We know who's at risk, vax or not.
I am not vaccinated and had a pretty unpleasant experience with COVID. It lasted 12 days and it took me three weeks to recover. I got it from my daughter, who is vaccinated (forced to for her job), and her experience was pretty much the same, as it was for the other vaccinated people we know who got it. Everyone was out of commission for a month with the same symptoms, vaxxed or not. My family, some of whom refuse to associate with me in person, have shut up about vaccinations as the be all and end all finally, especially after my brother and his wife got a mild case after their boosters. He had refused to attend my mom’s birthday in December if I was there. They are lifting the mandates here next month and many people, vaccinated, of course, are freaking out. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I have, over the years, had a number of very unpleasant experiences with Colds - and I wasn’t vaccinated. I also had Hong Kong ‘flu way back in my early teens - unpleasant too and unvaccinated. The freak-outs need to get a sense of perspective and proportion. We have been living with, and some dying from, respiratory viruses since God was a schoolboy and I expect we shall be living with them, and some dying from them, when he has graduated from college and got his first job.
Yes when did it become a societal expectation that one should never become sick
Awesome. Hah. My sister--a trained lawyer and supposedly smart--did this EXACT thing. I didn't bother pointing out the logical problems with her assertion. Also, get this, she said that at least her infection wasn't as bad as her reaction to the vaxx injections! Dudes and chicks, you can't make this stuff up.
Apply this logic to everything statist ideologues do and you can explain modernity. Poverty, education, healthcare, all of it.
Are the vaccinated getting more severe sickness or are they just whiners?
Everybody I know unvaxxed with Omicron in the past 2 months has had a cold. And with my man, it wasn't even a man cold. I guess the "get unvaccinated" advice would be insensitive.
I'd say a good portion are whiners. But their public dramatics about how TUUUURIBLE their encounter with the Dread Coof serves the pro-vaxx narrative...well the new one it evolved to.
went through this exact thought experiment with my ex wife a month ago. she’s triple vaxxed and caught covid only a few weeks after the booster. I asked if she now realizes the vax was bunk and she won’t relent that it was worthless. she’s lost, but no skin off my back. I tried to help she wouldn’t listen.
My family member (dbl shot) sick over Christmas felt like strep throat negative on the rapid test for covid, January catches covid is sick and bad cough. February “allergies.” Okay.
I was vaccinated and still got Wuhan about 5 months after two Pfizer shots. Everything said by gato malo is spot on. Everyone said it would be worse if I hadn’t been vaccinated. I said how do you know that? I said I didn’t catch Wuhan until after I was vaccinated. I went a year and a half around the public but didn’t catch it but I did after being vaccinated? You probably had the Delta Variant. How would they know that? Well, that’s what’s going around now. I said my test just said CoVid positive and nothing about Delta. Was there a secret code or test I didn’t know about? Suffice it to say it’s all BS.
Logic is irrelevant at this point. The answer to the “what would convince you” question would be “death” (hard to ask a dead person if they’re convinced now-see tombstone meme), or “my symptoms were so much less severe than the unvaccinated”, based on personal anecdotal evidence (from physicians I know). It truly is a massive snake-oil salesman, sleight-of-hand. Fascinating and terrifying in its pervasiveness.
And even worse, people who are in the cult actually sound proud and virtuous when they talk about their experience of having covid - no self-awareness at all.
That tombstone is no joke. There was a case in the USA where the relatives of someone who was fully vaccinated but still died from CoViD basically said exactly what is on your mock tombstone. I'm still trying to dig up the link
Yes, this does exist, I saw the same thing. It is mind numbing to observe the total lack of intellect behind some people's thoughts. I stopped arguing with people, as they just dig in deeper... Rather, I send them stuff and explain that the true scientific method would have allowed debate, so watch this Covid Second Opinion video and at least have knowledge of the other side of the debate... If you want, of course. And I let them know I'm here if they have questions after watching it, if they watch it, but that I won't push my opinions on them beyond having sent this or that to them. And then I wish them luck. I try to stand shoulder to shoulder rather than front face opposed, leave a door open, and that's it. Anything further turns into an irrational debate of feelings, poorly conducted studies, and stubborn confirmation biases... F that, I don't have the time or psychological fortitude for debating ignorant, false idolizing, half scientific at best supporting Kool aid drinking jackholes who aren't ready to ask real questions. And I've had better luck with this method, and my sanity is thankful for it.
You'll find the link, it exists, I've seen it. Will showing this to those aforementioned Kool aid drinking halfwits make a difference, doubtful. They'll just show stats on peeps who didn't get the vaxxx who died, regardless if they were killed by the tires of a bus and tested positive or just didn't get the early treatment necessary, or were given rundeathisnear and a vent. Sigh.
please find. I would love to see this.
Here is one, not sure if it is "the" one, but there are plenty of examples... https://newsrescue.com/man-dies-of-covid-doctors-say-hes-lucky-he-was-fully-vaxxed-it-could-have-been-worse-he-could-be-super-dead-or-double-dead-or-died-more-dastardly/
Found using Brave Browser, Brave Search Engine - easier to find stuff than using corrupt Big Tech platforms. I have no conflicts of interest, I am just a man who has had great experiences with using Brave and it is worth it. Even DuckDuckGo has Bing behind it somehow, Firefox has gone Woke, Brave Browser is one of the best out there and is convenient to use as it works with everything, being built upon the chromium tech as a foundational platform.
"It stops transmission."
became
"Ok, it does not stop transmission but it reduces severity."
became
"Ok, it does not stop transmission or reduce severity but it prevents death."
became
"Ok, it does not stop transmission, reduce severity, or prevent death but when you die you will get into heaven."
Thanks! That was the case.
Here is a more mainstream article reporting the case in a fully serious manner
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/11/fully-vaccinated-san-antonio-retiree-among-rare-covid-19-breakthrough-deaths/
I read in a Spanish newspaper that the vax was more effective if taken in the morning. Yes, you are reading right. This is how we rock.
The next step could be: my mother died of Covid because she got the 6th booster at the wrong time of the day.
A Pandemic of Deceit
Where Is The Pandemic? According To The BC Government Records Hospitalizations and ICU admissions in BC During the Covid-19 Pandemic Did Not Increase Compared to the Previous Years
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/where-is-the-pandemic-according-to?utm_source=url
In the UK, they even decreased, but who cares at this stage. I don't believe any of the ones buying this are able to see the truth based on data and rational arguments. Only when they will feel threatened by these absurd measures are they going to act. And the measures will become more absurd as time goes on. It will be the perfect chaos out of which order will be restored...
All these years of conditioning people to make arguments based on 'how you feel' versus facts and data has really paid off, and has been accelerated 2020 and on. The whole point of all these non-sensical measures and contradictory messaging is precisely to erase the concept of critical thinking, logic, and all other scientific means of proving something. All can be shot down with 'oh yeah- you'd FEEL different if you got C19!" If we continue with 8 more years of this, we will definitely have a cross between technocracy and idiocracy.
The unfalsifiable claims, as you point out, the totally childish 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' application by politicians (and it's opposite). That is - 'we locked down and did better than country X, therefore the lockdown worked'. Which by itself would never be accepted in ANY field of work. At which point you go to multiple countries where they did the OPPOSITE, and ensure they had the opposite outcome. They did not. And so, as ELGATO did months ago, you repeat this across dozens of jurisdictions, look for correlation between stringency and outcomes via XY scatter plot and correlation coef. Then you see complete lack of correlation in this case.
My experience has been that once you push 2 or 3 layers down into their lack of logic, the believers simply change subject or give you the 'would have been worse', 'overwhelmed', whatever lets them back to believing their governments.
I used to debug and troubleshoot mobile devices in the field before mass production. If you had a problem, you take 100 sample devices, repeat the problem reliably, then apply a proposed/suspected solution to 50 of those devices. Then take all 100 back to the field, and ensure that if the problem arises, that it is, only seen on the 50 unmodified devices. To be thorough, you then take the repair solution out of the 50 modified units, and apply it to the other 50 - again to ensure the problem stays with the unmodified devices. I.e. your 'fix' 100% repairs all 50 units, and the problem only ever stays those without the fix. Can't be done with people of course, but they didn't even bother to attempt a double-blind study since the unblinded the whole placebo group.