On the other side Gato, I do think there needs to be internal reconciliation for the folks who fell for this.
If not, they are still lost. Because like a child who has mistakingly put themselves in harms way, and didn't learn during that experience, they are vulnerable to the same danger during the next exposure to to a similar encounter.
We have to forgive and they must understand their complacency led to terrible despair for people who didn't fall for the grift.
For without, in the other sense of the term valence, the bonds may never have the chance to orbit around a core of common ground.
Yes, it's necessary for the people who fell for this to realize the truth about the matter. But this is something that must be handled very delicately from our end. People have their pride, and do not want to be shamed.
On one hand, we need to avoid shaming them personally, and let them figure it out for themselves as much as possible, while making it easy for them to do so by publishing the understandings we have come to. On the other hand, we need to be prepared to rebuke them firmly when they make the expected move of trying to reassert their lost status by finding excuses to put us down. Whenever they are not doing that, we should be kind and forgiving, and treat them normally without rubbing their noses in it.
Having a gun gives you authority only until you actually pull the trigger. We don't want to position ourselves as the agent of their shame.
I feel bitter about that too, and how you handle each individual you know who has done this is your call. Some people who betrayed you may be worth cutting off. But cutting them off means you lose any moral claim on them that their previous injustice toward you grants you.
If you can have only one of the two: winning the big issue and regaining our freedom; or taking vengeance against those who have wronged you-- which will you choose?
I have not cut anyone off. I have tried the "high road" with acquaintances (I hold the title of "friend" to a very select few, a title earned over years of in-person socialization).
I never started a fight.
Besides, I live for no man, and expect no man to live for me. I have no "moral claim" on another human being.
I am kind to all. That said, if you f@<k me, I will not hesitate to employ any tactic in defense of my life, person, or property.
Cordial talk is nice and all, but the reality is if negotiations fail, the end default inevitably is torches and pitchforks.
I like your way of life, and I agree with most of what you have said here. I will say though that we live in a predaceous world, and one of social climbing.
A single individual, however strong, is prey for a pack. A "moral claim" is what makes us part of a pack, and gives us the right not to be eaten by our mates.
In the present case, we have the WEF pack trying to make prey of the rest of us. They do this by manipulating our naive fellows, with illusions of mortal danger and the promise of personal status, into tearing our packs apart leading us into mass suicide. If some foolish, karen, alpha-wannabe packmate, in his madness, attempts to assault and poison us for the WEFers, then he deserves whatever we can deal out to him by way of self defense. But once he comes to his senses, we should remember that he was only a foolish pup who hadn't yet known better at the time. To win, we have to remember who our real enemy is, and if we want those torches and pitchforks to be in the plural, then we have to be prepared to reconcile with that chastened pup.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The Normals should be the predators and WEF the prey.
They should fear each of us, every individual.
They can smell weakness miles away. That's how they snookered the world first time around because we were nice and trusting. These evil beings should have no doubt The Normals won't stand for it again.
There was a history teacher, I believe his name was Rob Jones, in a grades 6-9 level school, I think in the 1960s. Students asked him how the Germans ever went along with Hitler. He had an idea to start a тАЬsecretтАЭ Fascist Movement in the school, without telling anybody what he was doing. He used chanting in unison, orderly discipline, gave kids jobs that made them feel they were important тАЬstakeholdersтАЭ in the Movement, telling them they were special and would be placed in more and more important roles, even nationally, when the President, some time in the future, revealed the Movement officially. He created a monster. Soon kids were cutting other classes to come to his, and the school was completely disrupted. Concerned parents broke into his classroom at night to try to figure out what was happening. He held his mud and wouldnтАЩt tell. Finally he decided to bring it to an end. He made the announcement that there would be an official government disclosure of the secret program by the President on Television at 11 a.m. the following Monday. By this time the entire student body was plugged into it and they all gathered in the auditorium for the 11 oтАЩclock reveal. Ron Jones stood on stage with a .TV set up and at 11 oтАЩclock sharp turned it on and just stood there and watched. As the minutes went by people started to realize that the whole thing had been a hoax. Many students were crushed to lose their hopes of being an important part of something important. He explained that he had done it to demonstrate тАЬ how the Germans fell for it.тАЭ
On the other side Gato, I do think there needs to be internal reconciliation for the folks who fell for this.
If not, they are still lost. Because like a child who has mistakingly put themselves in harms way, and didn't learn during that experience, they are vulnerable to the same danger during the next exposure to to a similar encounter.
We have to forgive and they must understand their complacency led to terrible despair for people who didn't fall for the grift.
For without, in the other sense of the term valence, the bonds may never have the chance to orbit around a core of common ground.
Does that make sense?
Yes, it's necessary for the people who fell for this to realize the truth about the matter. But this is something that must be handled very delicately from our end. People have their pride, and do not want to be shamed.
On one hand, we need to avoid shaming them personally, and let them figure it out for themselves as much as possible, while making it easy for them to do so by publishing the understandings we have come to. On the other hand, we need to be prepared to rebuke them firmly when they make the expected move of trying to reassert their lost status by finding excuses to put us down. Whenever they are not doing that, we should be kind and forgiving, and treat them normally without rubbing their noses in it.
Having a gun gives you authority only until you actually pull the trigger. We don't want to position ourselves as the agent of their shame.
Like how these same people shamed and rebuked...to this day...the unvaxxxed?
I feel bitter about that too, and how you handle each individual you know who has done this is your call. Some people who betrayed you may be worth cutting off. But cutting them off means you lose any moral claim on them that their previous injustice toward you grants you.
If you can have only one of the two: winning the big issue and regaining our freedom; or taking vengeance against those who have wronged you-- which will you choose?
I have not cut anyone off. I have tried the "high road" with acquaintances (I hold the title of "friend" to a very select few, a title earned over years of in-person socialization).
I never started a fight.
Besides, I live for no man, and expect no man to live for me. I have no "moral claim" on another human being.
I am kind to all. That said, if you f@<k me, I will not hesitate to employ any tactic in defense of my life, person, or property.
Cordial talk is nice and all, but the reality is if negotiations fail, the end default inevitably is torches and pitchforks.
I like your way of life, and I agree with most of what you have said here. I will say though that we live in a predaceous world, and one of social climbing.
A single individual, however strong, is prey for a pack. A "moral claim" is what makes us part of a pack, and gives us the right not to be eaten by our mates.
In the present case, we have the WEF pack trying to make prey of the rest of us. They do this by manipulating our naive fellows, with illusions of mortal danger and the promise of personal status, into tearing our packs apart leading us into mass suicide. If some foolish, karen, alpha-wannabe packmate, in his madness, attempts to assault and poison us for the WEFers, then he deserves whatever we can deal out to him by way of self defense. But once he comes to his senses, we should remember that he was only a foolish pup who hadn't yet known better at the time. To win, we have to remember who our real enemy is, and if we want those torches and pitchforks to be in the plural, then we have to be prepared to reconcile with that chastened pup.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The Normals should be the predators and WEF the prey.
They should fear each of us, every individual.
They can smell weakness miles away. That's how they snookered the world first time around because we were nice and trusting. These evil beings should have no doubt The Normals won't stand for it again.
Nobody fears the nice.
Very well said Snow.
Agreed. I have some solutions for that.
Which I would like to share when I get to a keyboard
There was a history teacher, I believe his name was Rob Jones, in a grades 6-9 level school, I think in the 1960s. Students asked him how the Germans ever went along with Hitler. He had an idea to start a тАЬsecretтАЭ Fascist Movement in the school, without telling anybody what he was doing. He used chanting in unison, orderly discipline, gave kids jobs that made them feel they were important тАЬstakeholdersтАЭ in the Movement, telling them they were special and would be placed in more and more important roles, even nationally, when the President, some time in the future, revealed the Movement officially. He created a monster. Soon kids were cutting other classes to come to his, and the school was completely disrupted. Concerned parents broke into his classroom at night to try to figure out what was happening. He held his mud and wouldnтАЩt tell. Finally he decided to bring it to an end. He made the announcement that there would be an official government disclosure of the secret program by the President on Television at 11 a.m. the following Monday. By this time the entire student body was plugged into it and they all gathered in the auditorium for the 11 oтАЩclock reveal. Ron Jones stood on stage with a .TV set up and at 11 oтАЩclock sharp turned it on and just stood there and watched. As the minutes went by people started to realize that the whole thing had been a hoax. Many students were crushed to lose their hopes of being an important part of something important. He explained that he had done it to demonstrate тАЬ how the Germans fell for it.тАЭ
Have you ever seen this? It's similar to the experiment you posted.
This was in the late 60's conducted by a 3rd grade teacher in Iowa.
It is chilling and worth watching:
https://youtu.be/1mcCLm_LwpE
It is mind boggling to me, on these stacks', that people still do not understand the dangers of othering people