el gato malo will be happy to know that I won’t even vax my (indoor) cats in the future! I’ve already apologized to them and promised not to do it again.
Yesss! I stopped vaxing my cats. One is vax free and she used to be a street cat. She's the healthiest cat despite her rough start. On the other hand, I lost fully vax cat and I spent a lot of money and treatment to detox my other one. She's now 18 years old and enjoying her retirement life vax free!
Yes, my minimally vaxxed cat (who came to me via a farm and from a vet) is almost 20. She's deaf now and finally showing signs of aging (osteopenia and sarcopenia, if I had to guess). But rural living in the mountains means that she's more likely to be picked off by an eagle than a microbial infection.
When I told my vet no more rabies vaccine she told me no more her. And not in a nice way. So far none of my dogs have foamed at the mouth except from thirst or inhaling salt water.
I haven't been to the vet for a very long time. Both cats are healthy, eat well and poop well. I just want to make my older one comfortable in her golden years and would prefer hospice when the time is getting near.
Hospice as in a place where your cat could be given palliative care? Or are you just talking you giving palliative care to your cat? A number of years ago we had a dog who got cancer. We did not opt for cancer treatment (much to the vets eternal displeasure). She lived a pretty good life until the last month or so. But she died at home, in her bed with us where she had been most all of her life. I wouldn't be anxious to have to have another dog die that way, but I can think of worse ways. We have a dog that had a death wish. She is much safer, but infinitely less happy now that she is mostly leashed. I think she was hoping for a more exciting end. We shall see. She's an old broad with a fascination with taunting snakes so...
Hospice is where I give her palliative care at home where she feels comfortable the most. Death is something we have lost touch with. As caring pet caregiver we want to help, heal, fix, and we have pushed death to a corner. It isn't in our homes the way it was 100 years ago, we treat with medicine and fix everything. Well, everything dies and changes eventually and I think our pushing it so far out of our day to day life has left us unprepared and with a false notion that it should be easy. It isn't always quick, but what it is, is a rite of passage we all face in our own way and deserve to be supported through it.
My mom's family laid their dead relatives out in the table in what they called the summer room. I'm not to anxious to be that in touch with death! But my mom died at home with me and my husband. Peacefully. Probably the only peace she has had in her life. A good way to go if you have the wherewithal to do it. Conversely, my MIL died in the hospital alone after a generous helping of Remdesivir. Not sure how to express my feelings fully on THAT way to go without being nasty. So NOT optimal.
I hope I OD on chocolate and pass out with a blissful smile on my face and am found quickly. Trust me on the quick part.
My kitties are 12, 12, and 13. I have considered not getting the rabies vaccines anymore since they 1) hate going in the carrier and 2) never go outside - but the county could legally fine me if they found out. And I don't think my vet has the time or will to alert the county about every kitty that doesn't come in.
And for these obligate carnivore, my two cats (the used to be street cat and the retired vax free cat) only eat raw fresh human grade meat, organs and bones. When they got fleas, I don't give them toxic flea treatments. I just brush them, vacuum the house and treat my yard with diatomaceous earth. In fact, it's my cats who converted me into an antivaxx. A badge of honor that I'm wearing now. They taught me how bad the vaccines were for their health. One day when I have children, no needles would ever touch them either!
It was a very easy transition for my street cat and I needed more patience with my older cat. Once they taste fresh raw food, they don't want to go back to commercial food. They have more finer palate now 😂
I think the "no vaccines" people are too absolutist. The "vaccines" against Covid-19 are indeed about the perfect example of how NOT to produce a safe, well tested, well proven immunization. They fail on all counts. And yes, there were other vaccines that caused deaths/injuries. But to believe that all vaccines are evil and a thing to avoid? I'd say that is going too far.
We do well if we avoid being too categorical. Ideally each thing (vaccine) will be judged on its own merits.
Can’t disagree with you that we should be open minded. But I think we have gone too far on vaccines, especially the children schedule and the flu shots. I’d rather our NIH focus on natural health than bowing to Pharma $. Vitamin D, zinc, weight loss, sunshine, exercise, natural foods, low carbs, etc should be top of the list, not injections.
I rescue cats as well, and agree that certain vaccines can protect animals in stressed and crowded shelter situations. I get my foster kittens vaccinated for FVRCP if they will be with other kittens prior to adoption (having lost one to calici virus in the past.) I’m talking about my established indoor cats. The one I never vaxxed lived to 22 1/2. The others got diabetes, cancers and so on.
that's maybe fine if you never let them outside, they never escape, or you never die and they have to be rehomed with someone who may let them out! it's really best to protect them as much as you can from the worst things, like rabies, but i can see why people would want to skip vaxxes for more basic things that can be treated if they happen.
I share your concerns for average cat owners, but I am extremely careful with them and have resources that will care for them no matter what happens. They are my “children”. But I appreciate your advice!
My indoor cats are rescues but unjabbed except for a couple. No reason to jab them. If they made the shots safer I would consider. Just like if they made the shots safer for people.
el gato malo will be happy to know that I won’t even vax my (indoor) cats in the future! I’ve already apologized to them and promised not to do it again.
Yesss! I stopped vaxing my cats. One is vax free and she used to be a street cat. She's the healthiest cat despite her rough start. On the other hand, I lost fully vax cat and I spent a lot of money and treatment to detox my other one. She's now 18 years old and enjoying her retirement life vax free!
Yes, my minimally vaxxed cat (who came to me via a farm and from a vet) is almost 20. She's deaf now and finally showing signs of aging (osteopenia and sarcopenia, if I had to guess). But rural living in the mountains means that she's more likely to be picked off by an eagle than a microbial infection.
When I told my vet no more rabies vaccine she told me no more her. And not in a nice way. So far none of my dogs have foamed at the mouth except from thirst or inhaling salt water.
I haven't been to the vet for a very long time. Both cats are healthy, eat well and poop well. I just want to make my older one comfortable in her golden years and would prefer hospice when the time is getting near.
Hospice as in a place where your cat could be given palliative care? Or are you just talking you giving palliative care to your cat? A number of years ago we had a dog who got cancer. We did not opt for cancer treatment (much to the vets eternal displeasure). She lived a pretty good life until the last month or so. But she died at home, in her bed with us where she had been most all of her life. I wouldn't be anxious to have to have another dog die that way, but I can think of worse ways. We have a dog that had a death wish. She is much safer, but infinitely less happy now that she is mostly leashed. I think she was hoping for a more exciting end. We shall see. She's an old broad with a fascination with taunting snakes so...
Hospice is where I give her palliative care at home where she feels comfortable the most. Death is something we have lost touch with. As caring pet caregiver we want to help, heal, fix, and we have pushed death to a corner. It isn't in our homes the way it was 100 years ago, we treat with medicine and fix everything. Well, everything dies and changes eventually and I think our pushing it so far out of our day to day life has left us unprepared and with a false notion that it should be easy. It isn't always quick, but what it is, is a rite of passage we all face in our own way and deserve to be supported through it.
My mom's family laid their dead relatives out in the table in what they called the summer room. I'm not to anxious to be that in touch with death! But my mom died at home with me and my husband. Peacefully. Probably the only peace she has had in her life. A good way to go if you have the wherewithal to do it. Conversely, my MIL died in the hospital alone after a generous helping of Remdesivir. Not sure how to express my feelings fully on THAT way to go without being nasty. So NOT optimal.
I hope I OD on chocolate and pass out with a blissful smile on my face and am found quickly. Trust me on the quick part.
My kitties are 12, 12, and 13. I have considered not getting the rabies vaccines anymore since they 1) hate going in the carrier and 2) never go outside - but the county could legally fine me if they found out. And I don't think my vet has the time or will to alert the county about every kitty that doesn't come in.
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And for these obligate carnivore, my two cats (the used to be street cat and the retired vax free cat) only eat raw fresh human grade meat, organs and bones. When they got fleas, I don't give them toxic flea treatments. I just brush them, vacuum the house and treat my yard with diatomaceous earth. In fact, it's my cats who converted me into an antivaxx. A badge of honor that I'm wearing now. They taught me how bad the vaccines were for their health. One day when I have children, no needles would ever touch them either!
For a moment I missed the word "grade" in that line about your cats eating "raw fresh human grade meat". That was quite a shock!
I wish my cats would eat raw. I’ve tried several times.
It was a very easy transition for my street cat and I needed more patience with my older cat. Once they taste fresh raw food, they don't want to go back to commercial food. They have more finer palate now 😂
As an animal rescuer, I advise against that :/ Vaccines do help quite a bit. Guess people will have to learn the hard way.
I think the "no vaccines" people are too absolutist. The "vaccines" against Covid-19 are indeed about the perfect example of how NOT to produce a safe, well tested, well proven immunization. They fail on all counts. And yes, there were other vaccines that caused deaths/injuries. But to believe that all vaccines are evil and a thing to avoid? I'd say that is going too far.
We do well if we avoid being too categorical. Ideally each thing (vaccine) will be judged on its own merits.
Can’t disagree with you that we should be open minded. But I think we have gone too far on vaccines, especially the children schedule and the flu shots. I’d rather our NIH focus on natural health than bowing to Pharma $. Vitamin D, zinc, weight loss, sunshine, exercise, natural foods, low carbs, etc should be top of the list, not injections.
I know you're not ill willing them or their cats.
I rescue cats as well, and agree that certain vaccines can protect animals in stressed and crowded shelter situations. I get my foster kittens vaccinated for FVRCP if they will be with other kittens prior to adoption (having lost one to calici virus in the past.) I’m talking about my established indoor cats. The one I never vaxxed lived to 22 1/2. The others got diabetes, cancers and so on.
that's maybe fine if you never let them outside, they never escape, or you never die and they have to be rehomed with someone who may let them out! it's really best to protect them as much as you can from the worst things, like rabies, but i can see why people would want to skip vaxxes for more basic things that can be treated if they happen.
I share your concerns for average cat owners, but I am extremely careful with them and have resources that will care for them no matter what happens. They are my “children”. But I appreciate your advice!
My indoor cats are rescues but unjabbed except for a couple. No reason to jab them. If they made the shots safer I would consider. Just like if they made the shots safer for people.
I stopped after mine got one of those cancers that come from the jabs that only some vets will talk about.