A prisoner released from decades of confinement may attempt it, but would be decisively repelled the second she opened her mouth.... No amount of Viagra, nor years of deprivation.....
This noodnick has been the butt of jokes since the election. so arrogant and self assured in her bogus assumptions. do you have any idea how big the margin of victory had to be in order for them to decide that cheating wasn't an option? anyway, grateful to gato for showing her, as opposed to just playing the audio. omg, she is frightening.
yes, i suspect it was supposed to be a form of regime support and it was likely greenlit and written back when people thought kamala was going to win the election.
it was going to be propoganda for what she aimed to do.
In this Trump admin, based on historical context, Disney should consider something of a Dirty Harry reboot, or something like he vigilante genre which rode high in the early 70s. Walking Tall, Taxi Driver. The message is enough with the BS.
What we REALLY need is a “Death Wish” reboot — UNwoke edition! We rewatched all four originals about six months ago, and found ourselves literally cheering out loud.
Concurs with the position that Colbert and Kimmel would have cruised along unmolested had the Obama/Biden/Harris regime remained in charge, the financial losses being accepted as the price paid for maintaining supremacy over the serfdom.
I do hope that ABC/Disney loses a LOT of money with their little Kimmel show. I would bet it has lost even more viewers by now. After the curiosity factor of his so-called "apology", no one will watch.
Wellllllll, Kamala wasn't going to do anything herself because she's intellectually incapable of doing anything beyond what we've seen. But the question is, what were her puppeteers going to do on her behalf?
How smart of Apple to stop this ball before it starts rolling down the hill. This show will never be seen. 19% of marriages in the U.S. are interracial. Why does almost every show and ad have mixed couples? And with transgenders at 1.7%, why are they showing up everywhere?
The trans are showing up everywhere because they are the greatest attack on both God and the Natural Law ever planted by Satan into man's mind and the left always champion everything against God, i.e., that which is evil.
Astroturf courtesy of the major financeers (Blackrock, etc) who give lending points to companies that tow the line and not only present this illusion, but enforce it via DEI (or whatever they call it this week).
Basically, the Globalists are manipulating things via finance behind the scenes.
The whole “Savant” thing sounds so trite, and formulaic; a brilliant, strong, woman, even an effective girl-boss can be realistic. But tie that into the sick fantasy that all normal western men are inherently evil, dumb, patriarchal, etc. (ie. Charlie Kirks), and the result should not be foisted on normal people. Maybe three years ago, but not now.
"Slow Horses" was good when I first saw it. I think that was on Apple. Not sure. Otherwise, I would not seek out Apple. I found Severance to be drivel of the highest order.
I’ll probably get dragged for this, but I couldn’t watch Apple’s “Slow Horses” because of the absurd reality-reversal of the season one plot.
Lemme get this straight, Hollyrot: it’s a show about MI5, an organization centered on fighting Islamic terrorism, but the grotesque plot YOU come up with involves right-wing fascists who kidnap a lovely and entirely innocent Muslim, because…Islamophobia? THAT is the best you could do? And the Internet laughably calls the show “anti-woke“. You can’t make this sh*t up!
Yeah, I think everyone that saw the trailer immediately thought "this was greenlit to air during Kamala's presidency".
Also that all the shots of her watching the screen bring to mind the god-awful Amazon "War of the Worlds" that came out recently. (For those blessedly unfamiliar, the entire conceit of the movie is that Ice T works at Homeland Security and has to stop an alien invasion while sitting on a Zoom call and spying on his daughter's refrigerator).
Apple just had a significant price increase. They accurately predicted they would lose a boatload of subscribers with this series. I would have considered it, I never had Disney and I unsubscribed from Hulu when Disney bought it. Apple doesn’t want to follow Disney’s sinking ship to the sea floor.
Yeah, it was some inconvenient assassination for Hollywood to be sure.
You guys might not believe it but some of the most nuanced TV dramas/thrillers about terrorists and terrorism and normal people caught in-between the state and the desire to just have a normal peaceful life come from Israel. Or used to; I doubt after Oct. 7 that their population will have any further taste for understanding how the other guy thinks and why.
I'm seeing a lot of failure on X from the right in understanding just exactly how bad things are. The normal conservative types continue to be plaintive and sad about all of it.
None of 'em seem to grasp the very worst of what Kimmel did. He said that Trump's reaction to a question from a reporter on the WH lawn about Charlie's death was "the way a four-year old mourns a goldfish."
It wasn't a joke. It wasn't bad comedy. It wasn't just tasteless. It was looking at the President not wishing to let his emotions spill out in public in such a throwaway moment because his heart was breaking inside, and Kimmel was aiming a killshot at those in his audience who might want to grant Trump a little humanity.
Kimmel was vicious and purposeful and we must hope that justice finds him in its own long arc not necessarily visible to us.
Thank you for pointing out what really was the worst line in Kimmel's MAGA joke: mocking Trump for not giving a questioning reporter the emotional response they pushed for. Even in Kimmel's not- apology he displayed his pathological level of TDS.
I wish to God the Right's leadership class was not almost entirely populated by idiots. It's bad enough, the Republicans just hoping to ride Trump out and then get back to their usual business, but can anyone explain to me the genetic flaw that has made conservatives so ineffectual for the past 60 years or so?
I'll answer to the best of my ability, as a lifelong conservative: they want to play by "the rules" and maintain a facade of civility. There's a lot of factors underneath that (blackmail, RINOs, pozzed church leaders preaching that we're meant to "turn the other cheek") but overall they just want to look civilized and not "lower themselves to that level" while maintaining their tenuous hold on power.
Yes, tidy performance of civic virtue while the nation is destroyed around them.
I still must be called a liberal in my natural inclinations but going forward I'll vote for any raging lunatic on a Republican ticket to help him beat the Dems.
The tide has been slowly changing on the right, thankfully. There are a few establishment types getting past the radar, but many of the new crop of conservatives running for office now are grassroots citizens who are sick of the status quo and eager to disrupt the system.
The fun part now will be discerning who is true MAGA and who is wearing a MAGA skinsuit to get our votes.
I myself don't do performative pieties. I don't do performative faith. I don't do performative patriotism. I haven't said the Pledge of Allegiance since I was 15 years old, and I don't want schoolchildren to be compelled to recite it. I think our needs would be best served by having a portion from the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights read to the kids each morning and have that part of a civics discussion during the school day.
I've noticed that some conservative blogs on Substack are beginning to see individualism as as much of a threat as that ridiculous Smithsonian Infograph did. They want a collective conformity rather than a liberal republic and believe me I was shocked to see it.
We've got morons declaring that the Founders were all "believers in the truth of Christianity" when they were in fact of many philosophical persuasions within the Western Enlightenment. They explicitly did not want to build a Christian nation. They wanted a nation that could bring into the union all the different colonies with their various Christian sects all trying to exterminate each other and turn them into one people able to not only enjoy but accept liberty for all.
It's important to put the right people in the right jobs. Homan is great at his job.
It's also been remarkable to see people put through the smelting process by Trump and what emerges when the ore cools. Best thing that ever happened to Rubio was losing to Trump.
Vance is excellent in his own role now, though I think he suffers from moments of awkward personal appearances. There's a sort of look I've seen in Rubio's eyes that is very very promising.
'as a lifelong conservative: they want to play by "the rules" and maintain a facade of civility. There's a lot of factors underneath that (blackmail, RINOs, pozzed church leaders preaching that we're meant to "turn the other cheek") but overall they just want to look civilized and not "lower themselves to that level" while maintaining their tenuous hold on power.'
SOOOO TRUE! TRUE! TRUE! they lie casually and really DO repeat what the other side accuses them of. i'm struggling to defend myself over here in SF.
I gradually rose to the ranks of my county's executive committee. I think a lot of people are misreading the problem. When we first started to get involved it gradually became clear that this was a club to which we did not belong. But as we were young people and they were close to retirement, they needed our energy and commitment to freedom and rule of law. They gradually but reluctantly let us in (they actually had no choice because we outvoted them in our caucuses and got ourselves elected to positions). I should say they gradually accepted us and our help because they needed it. We made friends. We helped in small ways. We made small changes.
But a lot of republicans were natural born rinos. Our group came to it out of a belief that certain things were wrong, and that the state needed to remain as small as possible in order to protect individual freedoms. But the club republicans had different motives.
Once I saw that what little we did, and what little we could do from our county, was very little compared to what the state party was going to do regardless of what we wanted, well - that was it for me. They replaced a great state candidate with a guy they'd 'owed' because he'd donated a lot of money. That was the end of the road for me. (He lost btw. It was the one time I voted democrat.)
I think conservatives are ineffectual (as a group in the R party) because they go to DC and gradually realize that they want to join the club. All the Ds are in the club (except a few renegades like Fetterman, I suppose). The media are in the club. The heads of agencies are in the club. The lobbyists are in the club. The foreign diplomats are in the club. Real conservatives are not in the club.
Almost everyone's in a club. Aren't a majority of conservatives members of a congregation/parish in their communities? There's as much intense pressure on them to express the approved viewpoints as might be found targeting students on a college campus to support only left-wing views.
All of life is the struggle for power and resources. The nature of the people who win at any particular moment will determine if the power and resources are used for betterment or worserment.
People can seldom tell the difference between betterment or worserment (I like that) because they often don't have solid convictions based on something other than what is going on in the group they want to be a part of. Which is a problem for those marketing themselves as conservatives. I also think that although the instinct to conform is strong, it is much less strong amoungst conservatives, which is why you find more outliers there than in the Ds. And because a lot of real conservatives don't like compromising their principles, there is less unanimity in the Rs than there is in the Ds.
MLHVM— Re: "People can seldom tell the difference between betterment or worserment (I like that) because they often don't have solid convictions based on something other than what is going on in the group they want to be a part of. "
In my experience, this is very true. It's lesson in objective reality I've had to learn, and painfully, more than once. Covid times was my unscheduled PhD in the subject, lol.
I really disagree with you here. George W. Bush was as ruthless and lying a politician as Hillary and he behaved so while being a so-described born-again Christian and conservatives voted him in twice.
Let's just boil it down to its essence. Everyone hates everyone else but with varying degrees of politesse.
I have to say that most of the people I know and am close to do not feel pressured to conform or agree with beliefs just because of generic in-group preferences. I do agree that there are a lot of people like that but it is not my experience.
Man, oh man. It's like the GOP has one shred of success and they all turn into rabid, anti-free speech assholes.
It's kinda simple actually, give Americans law & order, opportunity and a country to be proud of. And stop with the bullshit foreign policy provoking mayhem around the world.
This isn't that difficult - but they keep embarrassing themselves.
They are going to win the midterms with the help of most Republicans in Congress and anyone who doesn't want that to happen better get all their own shit together. Iron guts needed, fast.
Yes, Fauda was pretty stark and direct. The subtle part is that most of the adversaries don't really hate each other, and that they are just all part of some societal theater production where they all must play their rolls.
There's that right wing cancel culture again. I miss the days when a person could be horribly wrong in every way about the super bowl level event of their career and just shrug it off as a bad Tuesday and go on with their job on Wednesday.
It's not just being horribly wrong. "Very fine people" went on for seven years. Seven fucking years. It doesn't exactly take Woodward and Bernstein to watch a 3 minute video clip.
Woodward and Bernstein were not great investigators. They were spoon-fed information by an FBI government traitor. Name one other "investigation" they did of any consequence.
Point taken, but at least showing up in an empty parking garage for a surreptitious meeting requires a driver's license. A slow eight year old could look up a video clip of a press conference.
Not my experience in “real world”. In the real world, if you make a mistake, there are consequences. If you make a big mistake, there are big consequences, and if you make a huge mistake…well, I think you get the idea.
Of course, my real world only applies to private sector, not government jobs. Government jobs tend to have no consequences and therefore, by definition, are inconsequential
The pompousness of the woman in that video barely scratches the surface of the smug, seething, puss-filled, assholery of most of the lefties I know. Back before I woke up and smelled the coffee, I used to hear phrases like, "voted against their own best interest" and wonder, "How the effing eff do YOU know what their best interests are?" I coined the term, "the arrogance of certainty" and thereafter took steps to reduce my own tendencies to make the same mistakes. It's going to take a lot more than Heels Up Harris losing or Jimmy Kimmel almost getting canned to change these people's perspective. Either way, I'm here for it!
Yes, that "voting against their own best interests" line used to infuriate me. How can you advocate for "democracy" when you are essentially saying that some groups of people are not smart enough to know their own best interests.
Well, my very elderly parents still insist on Voting for Democrats - even though they are Catholic/Kennedy Demos ...... Some people REALLY do not know that they are voting against their own best interests.
I won’t even be alone with my TDS sister anymore. She turned on me fast once, right before the election when I was visiting, immediately after revealing my husband has bladder cancer so I started crying ( we had just got the diagnosis) She then went and got her Xanax and handed me a pill. Who does that? I got home and sent it back to her which set her off again. Only in large family groups will I attempt engagement. Smaller group since some members she has managed to pull into her fantasy shithole of hate I’m 12 years older and I’m done with her. As her daughter is as well, which is sad. I hate to think wat has to happen even now to make a difference with these types.
Wow! Xanax? That's cold. Is that supposed to be an empathy substitute. The fact that your sister had Xanax indicates that she's probably dependent on it. Says a lot about her current state of mind.
Yes it does. She expressed interest when I had painkillers left over from a surgery. I used to hide them when she came over. Her life is getting very small now. I pray for her but stay away. She’s a lot like a crazy aunt we had. 🤔
I returned to Texas officially in 2017 from Southern California, however, the return began around September of 2016 as a road trip prior to a "visit" to MD Anderson for a biopsy for oral cancer which was positive and sent me back to MDA for partial removal of my tongue and palate, reconstruction of my mouth and radiation treatment. My husband decided to stay in Texas and we literally pulled up us, his parents (in their late 80s), our son (28 at the time) & dog. We are Republicans but at time centrist and very ignorant. Texas isn't the same as in 1976 when I left. My husband's brother is very like your sister and every Holiday a nightmare. Fortunately, their 2 boys are more moderate, at least to family. We are Christians, so we try to keep peace, but, seems like peace is no longer possible. They assassinated a well liked conservative thought leader and it is not Ok to live and let live, apparently. Game on, Karens.
Assholery! Love it! Yes, they vote against their own interest for sure. I used to feel betrayed by them after every election, when they would always screw the populace royal, after they got the vote. This was before I woke up...
First of all, re Savant, most autists who are savants are male. Autism is more prevalent in boys than girls. Second, the feeling expressed by kitten is why I had to move from the beautiful state of Washington last year. Back in 2022, I forgot to turn off my phone ringer one day when I was in court. A call came in and my ringtone is “God Bless the USA.” I was attacked as a “Trump Supporter,” and “facist.” I tried to say, I just like the song. No one cared. The song represents a departure from my youth when I was against the Viet Nam War. I didn’t wake up until August 2016. Had to be silent in a community, both professional and personal, of liberals who were very vocal of their political positions until our move to Texas last year. It felt like an existential threat to stay. Gov Inslee built Covid camps for the non-vaxxers. But for Omicron, we would have been put in one. We felt like refugees when we arrived in TX last year. First day after we arrived, we got new drivers licenses and license plates. We didn’t want anyone here to think we were bringing shitty politics with us.
As someone in Texas, we appreciate it when we get refugees from the insane states and not just people who are coming in to try to replicate those failed policies. :)
I hear that even some of the ones who land in Austin are relatively sane. I know a lot of people who've left California for Texas, they tell me they appreciate that outside the big cities especially there's some powerful pushback against the wokie crap and covidian overreach. That said, some of the wokiest wokies I know are Texans.
After violating our own constitution and statutory law throughout 2020, in January of 2021 their congress voted to make State of Energency duration, powers and scope entirely at the discretion of the governor. They then ammended the RCW to make it a felony to disobey any public official's order "during a state of emergency". Yes, your local librarian could call the cops on you if you refused to follow *their* (not necessarily the state's) mask *guidelines* and you're facing a felony.
Keep in mind, the lefties growing up in Washington had Manzanar drummed into their heads. They were the worst "send 'em to the camps, and 0w0 I wanna help load the cattlecars of all.
I rarely use the “C” word but when listening to that old bitch cackle and boast all my mind kept going to was that she is a raging C U Next Tuesday. See…I still disn’t use it! But let’s be honest, there are times when it’s the only pejorative that fits.
Come on guys you know you were thinking it! It’s okay for a woman to call another woman that word but men are still gun shy about using it. In my world nothing is off the table when it comes to this nonsense. I am OVER IT! If you don’t like it…fuck off. I’m just too old and too tired to care about it anymore. The Left has exhausted me of my speech filter.
C U Next Tuesday, great one! Had to go look up the etymology of "cunt" and what do you know, it's from an Old Norse word we still use today over here.
"Kunt/kånt" dep. on where you're from. Translates to "pack basket" in English which is way off. A kånt is a backback or shoulder-slung bag made from woven strips of wood and/or birch bark (called näver, pronounced almost the same as never in English):
There's also the term "kuntmått" (also a place-name) which means "the amount of things you can fit inside a kunt".
Given that the woman in the clip most certainly qualifies as "an old bag", cunt is very apt indeed.
Sorry, just had to scratch my Besserwisser-itch. Oh, and that show The Savant? I listened to a podcast last week talking about it. The main character dumps her black husband and their kids to shack up with the leader of a white supremacist gang and "pumping him for information" by banging him. A lot. The suspense is supposed lay in "will she join the bad guys or not?"...
Not exactly the role-model Amazon might want to give young women.
In a sense, it's distasteful to associate that word with that specimen, as it is an indirect acknowledgement that "she" has one of those (a cunt). I'm not comfortable with that assumption, but if "she" does, I suspect it (the cunt) has atrophied.
I would bet that hers has not been used in a long, long time. If ever. At least not by a man. She’s insufferable. I’m venturing a guess she drank that champagne alone, in the dark, while screaming that orange man bad is going to force all women into red robes and snoods.
I know I’m supposed to be laughing at how moronic this woman is, but what I’m actually feeling is more alarming and visceral. Probably because I’ve been on the receiving end of so many of these interactions. As a lawyer, I’m surrounded by this type constantly—at work, and even in the handful of friendships I’ve maintained from law school.
It feels like these people are lost forever—beyond redemption, persuasion, or even basic logic. Not just because of their own delusions, but because they actively avoid opportunities to debate or consider any counterpoint. I’d like to think that’s because they know, on some level, their views wouldn’t survive scrutiny—that the only way their ideology survives is in an unquestioning echo chamber. But I’m not even sure they have the self-awareness to ask themselves whether their beliefs hold up in the first place.
Jennifer Crawford— I could say the same. It's been really creepy— and for some years now. It all seems normal, then out of the blue— at a lovely buffet at a wedding reception, say, or over the soup and salad in a restaurant— blammo, they're RABID. And I didn't provoke it by anything I said. It's just, out of nowhere, "I hope someone kills Trump!!" or, "there's NOTHING more important than killing white privilege!!"— and they assume, really apparently blindly assume, that I, being their friend and colleague, and not some redneck lowbrow in their estimation, agree!! Their outburst is never an invitation to discuss or to debate, it seems it's more a discharge of sadistic energy and an invitation to me to participate!
This sort of thing is really outside my life experience, and I am not a young person. These are my old friends and collagues. It's so sudden, and so rabid, and so insanely outside anything I recognize as reality, I'm always taken by surprise. I would say the PC stuff was going on for a long while, but it really ramped up in 2018-2019. Then in covid times it just got even crazier.
It is very difficult to fathom. Psychological explanations go a long ways, but... I don't think that's quite the whole enchilada.
or, as i was thinking afterwards, brain damage from any one of numerous toxic pharma drugs - not to mention the neuron-damaging, glioblastoma-promoting wireless radiation most people are closely and nearly constantly exposed to . . .
You know that abortion IS healthcare. That’s what the virtue signaling yard sign down the street says anyway. I’d slap a Murder sticker over healthcare some night but they have a ring thing doorbell. Black hoodie? Mask? Wig?
Thing is, they had years to formalize it, from back in the day when she was still effable with beer goggles, they have had the super majority congress and presidency to do it, but they would rather hang it, carrot like, over women's heads every election because there is a certain type that will vote for that cause no matter what.
I started seeing that in the mid oughts and it went a long way in my slowly backing away from the dem party.
I wonder if it was the reprehensible behavior of the online left after Kirk was brutally assassinated in front of his kids or the revelation that youtube was censoring during the pandemic (interesting timing, BTW... Dollars to doughnuts some "disaster PR" firm told them to dump the news in the fog of what's been happening over the past 3 weeks).
Women like this "protagonist" are so fascinating to me. Do they understand that ideologies like white nationalism are the predictable outcome of the bullshit they promote? Is the alternative to "white nationalism" a country where equal outcome identity politics, ethnic riots, and "wise latinas" on SCOTUS making idiotic health decisions for people like me? Is all that just an unavoidable part of living in a multi-ethnic society? Is that what you're signing on for if you're not a white nationalist?
It's such a total lack of discernment and accountability. How can someone make it to adulthood like that?
The funny thing about those right of center finally finding their voices and moving to call out the left’s morality issues is the left will now claim victimhood for the same thing they’ve been doing to their foes for 60 years.
On election night our neighbors, not wanting to startle us with the noises, texted my wife to let her know that they would be setting off fireworks later that night. Remembering what happened in 2016 after I had gone to bed, I waited until 1 or 2 am to text them them back and asked to use their fireworks.
I don’t know how this ends. In my circle which I’ve tightened considerably in the last 5 years, I have 2 close friends who completely flipped. I’ve known one for 20+ years and the other for 40. The ladder was my AA sponsor and accountant. And within a year during Covid he excommunicated me. My other friend bombards me and a few others in a 12 year thread about his TDS and other southpaw vomit all while insisting he’s conservative. These people are brainwashed and they aren’t coming back. And there’s still a lot of them out there fighting their fight.
Who would mate with that?? She’s does not need to worry about “reproductive rights” at all. Alcoholism maybe. Delusional thinking certainly.
I’d like to see her video the next day
Is there anything as delicious as liberal tears???
https://imgur.com/gallery/09jEk7c
Oh yes! Her video the next day must be glorious!
She started with Champagne, but I’ll bet by midnight, she shame walked back for the Natty Lite!! Boohoo….
She’s probably somebody aunt, hoping for a trans-nephew or a pan-sexual niece.
Hoping and perhaps doing a little nudging.
A prisoner released from decades of confinement may attempt it, but would be decisively repelled the second she opened her mouth.... No amount of Viagra, nor years of deprivation.....
She’s the exception to the idiom “the worst you ever had was great”. There’s always an exception.
This noodnick has been the butt of jokes since the election. so arrogant and self assured in her bogus assumptions. do you have any idea how big the margin of victory had to be in order for them to decide that cheating wasn't an option? anyway, grateful to gato for showing her, as opposed to just playing the audio. omg, she is frightening.
It's a rule, practically a law, that those who yell the loudest about abortion are those who are least likely to need it.
I would support for her mother.
Why do they all have the Kamala Kackle™️? I guess it’s some sort of feminized aggression marker?
Demons. And I’m not joking.
Sublimated anger.
Plus she's about 2 decades outside being fertile if she ever was and most likely gay.
🤣
LMAO
This is a true "Turning Point". The silent majority at least isn't silent online. RIP Charlie, who did it in public.
"The Savant" was agitprop designed to construct a fake reality. Kulture karen kommissars produced the film. It doesn't take a savant to see their predictable world view: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/the-savant-predictable-meme
yes, i suspect it was supposed to be a form of regime support and it was likely greenlit and written back when people thought kamala was going to win the election.
it was going to be propoganda for what she aimed to do.
In this Trump admin, based on historical context, Disney should consider something of a Dirty Harry reboot, or something like he vigilante genre which rode high in the early 70s. Walking Tall, Taxi Driver. The message is enough with the BS.
Go ahead, make my day!
What we REALLY need is a “Death Wish” reboot — UNwoke edition! We rewatched all four originals about six months ago, and found ourselves literally cheering out loud.
Concurs with the position that Colbert and Kimmel would have cruised along unmolested had the Obama/Biden/Harris regime remained in charge, the financial losses being accepted as the price paid for maintaining supremacy over the serfdom.
I do hope that ABC/Disney loses a LOT of money with their little Kimmel show. I would bet it has lost even more viewers by now. After the curiosity factor of his so-called "apology", no one will watch.
Wellllllll, Kamala wasn't going to do anything herself because she's intellectually incapable of doing anything beyond what we've seen. But the question is, what were her puppeteers going to do on her behalf?
How smart of Apple to stop this ball before it starts rolling down the hill. This show will never be seen. 19% of marriages in the U.S. are interracial. Why does almost every show and ad have mixed couples? And with transgenders at 1.7%, why are they showing up everywhere?
The trans are showing up everywhere because they are the greatest attack on both God and the Natural Law ever planted by Satan into man's mind and the left always champion everything against God, i.e., that which is evil.
Astroturf courtesy of the major financeers (Blackrock, etc) who give lending points to companies that tow the line and not only present this illusion, but enforce it via DEI (or whatever they call it this week).
Basically, the Globalists are manipulating things via finance behind the scenes.
It’s also Vanguard and State Street.
courtesy of most people's 401Ks.
I'm willing to wager the show will be seen when the political conditions are ripe.
Making money isn't the point of these types of shows.
I stand corrected. It isn’t about money.
They show up everywhere because they stick out like a sore thumb. Upwards of 99% of M2F people with transgenderism are unmistakably men.
The whole “Savant” thing sounds so trite, and formulaic; a brilliant, strong, woman, even an effective girl-boss can be realistic. But tie that into the sick fantasy that all normal western men are inherently evil, dumb, patriarchal, etc. (ie. Charlie Kirks), and the result should not be foisted on normal people. Maybe three years ago, but not now.
I don't understand why normal people would waste their time watching or supporting anything from Apple or mainstream media or Hollywood.
"Slow Horses" was good when I first saw it. I think that was on Apple. Not sure. Otherwise, I would not seek out Apple. I found Severance to be drivel of the highest order.
Owen Wilson's series "Stick" was pretty good. Funny and inspirational.
you said "normal" . . .
Well some people I know that support Apple seem to be normal.
yeah - i just meant that most people referred to as 'normal' these days watch all that stuff - that's what normal is. (disclaimer: i am not normal).
Assuming any self respecting normal man would watch it
Exactly what I thought when I read gato’s summary; but of course you said it more eloquently.
I’ll probably get dragged for this, but I couldn’t watch Apple’s “Slow Horses” because of the absurd reality-reversal of the season one plot.
Lemme get this straight, Hollyrot: it’s a show about MI5, an organization centered on fighting Islamic terrorism, but the grotesque plot YOU come up with involves right-wing fascists who kidnap a lovely and entirely innocent Muslim, because…Islamophobia? THAT is the best you could do? And the Internet laughably calls the show “anti-woke“. You can’t make this sh*t up!
Yeah, I think everyone that saw the trailer immediately thought "this was greenlit to air during Kamala's presidency".
Also that all the shots of her watching the screen bring to mind the god-awful Amazon "War of the Worlds" that came out recently. (For those blessedly unfamiliar, the entire conceit of the movie is that Ice T works at Homeland Security and has to stop an alien invasion while sitting on a Zoom call and spying on his daughter's refrigerator).
Apple just had a significant price increase. They accurately predicted they would lose a boatload of subscribers with this series. I would have considered it, I never had Disney and I unsubscribed from Hulu when Disney bought it. Apple doesn’t want to follow Disney’s sinking ship to the sea floor.
Yeah, it was some inconvenient assassination for Hollywood to be sure.
You guys might not believe it but some of the most nuanced TV dramas/thrillers about terrorists and terrorism and normal people caught in-between the state and the desire to just have a normal peaceful life come from Israel. Or used to; I doubt after Oct. 7 that their population will have any further taste for understanding how the other guy thinks and why.
I'm seeing a lot of failure on X from the right in understanding just exactly how bad things are. The normal conservative types continue to be plaintive and sad about all of it.
None of 'em seem to grasp the very worst of what Kimmel did. He said that Trump's reaction to a question from a reporter on the WH lawn about Charlie's death was "the way a four-year old mourns a goldfish."
It wasn't a joke. It wasn't bad comedy. It wasn't just tasteless. It was looking at the President not wishing to let his emotions spill out in public in such a throwaway moment because his heart was breaking inside, and Kimmel was aiming a killshot at those in his audience who might want to grant Trump a little humanity.
Kimmel was vicious and purposeful and we must hope that justice finds him in its own long arc not necessarily visible to us.
Thank you for pointing out what really was the worst line in Kimmel's MAGA joke: mocking Trump for not giving a questioning reporter the emotional response they pushed for. Even in Kimmel's not- apology he displayed his pathological level of TDS.
I wish to God the Right's leadership class was not almost entirely populated by idiots. It's bad enough, the Republicans just hoping to ride Trump out and then get back to their usual business, but can anyone explain to me the genetic flaw that has made conservatives so ineffectual for the past 60 years or so?
I'll answer to the best of my ability, as a lifelong conservative: they want to play by "the rules" and maintain a facade of civility. There's a lot of factors underneath that (blackmail, RINOs, pozzed church leaders preaching that we're meant to "turn the other cheek") but overall they just want to look civilized and not "lower themselves to that level" while maintaining their tenuous hold on power.
Yes, tidy performance of civic virtue while the nation is destroyed around them.
I still must be called a liberal in my natural inclinations but going forward I'll vote for any raging lunatic on a Republican ticket to help him beat the Dems.
The tide has been slowly changing on the right, thankfully. There are a few establishment types getting past the radar, but many of the new crop of conservatives running for office now are grassroots citizens who are sick of the status quo and eager to disrupt the system.
The fun part now will be discerning who is true MAGA and who is wearing a MAGA skinsuit to get our votes.
And let me further elaborate.
I myself don't do performative pieties. I don't do performative faith. I don't do performative patriotism. I haven't said the Pledge of Allegiance since I was 15 years old, and I don't want schoolchildren to be compelled to recite it. I think our needs would be best served by having a portion from the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights read to the kids each morning and have that part of a civics discussion during the school day.
I've noticed that some conservative blogs on Substack are beginning to see individualism as as much of a threat as that ridiculous Smithsonian Infograph did. They want a collective conformity rather than a liberal republic and believe me I was shocked to see it.
We've got morons declaring that the Founders were all "believers in the truth of Christianity" when they were in fact of many philosophical persuasions within the Western Enlightenment. They explicitly did not want to build a Christian nation. They wanted a nation that could bring into the union all the different colonies with their various Christian sects all trying to exterminate each other and turn them into one people able to not only enjoy but accept liberty for all.
We got some big challenge ahead of us.
I think using that MAGA litmus test is a genius way of repulsing the moderates and independents we need to persuade from the left.
Just start with not electing idiots. That would help, you know, big league.
Bingo.
The GOP spends way too much time TALKING against the other side instead of DOING what they know to be right.
I'm thinking Tom Homem for president at this point.
It's important to put the right people in the right jobs. Homan is great at his job.
It's also been remarkable to see people put through the smelting process by Trump and what emerges when the ore cools. Best thing that ever happened to Rubio was losing to Trump.
Vance is excellent in his own role now, though I think he suffers from moments of awkward personal appearances. There's a sort of look I've seen in Rubio's eyes that is very very promising.
'as a lifelong conservative: they want to play by "the rules" and maintain a facade of civility. There's a lot of factors underneath that (blackmail, RINOs, pozzed church leaders preaching that we're meant to "turn the other cheek") but overall they just want to look civilized and not "lower themselves to that level" while maintaining their tenuous hold on power.'
SOOOO TRUE! TRUE! TRUE! they lie casually and really DO repeat what the other side accuses them of. i'm struggling to defend myself over here in SF.
It is all about holding onto power.
Also, they're not keen on people spitting in their food in DC restaurants, not that playing nice was every going to help them on that score.
I gradually rose to the ranks of my county's executive committee. I think a lot of people are misreading the problem. When we first started to get involved it gradually became clear that this was a club to which we did not belong. But as we were young people and they were close to retirement, they needed our energy and commitment to freedom and rule of law. They gradually but reluctantly let us in (they actually had no choice because we outvoted them in our caucuses and got ourselves elected to positions). I should say they gradually accepted us and our help because they needed it. We made friends. We helped in small ways. We made small changes.
But a lot of republicans were natural born rinos. Our group came to it out of a belief that certain things were wrong, and that the state needed to remain as small as possible in order to protect individual freedoms. But the club republicans had different motives.
Once I saw that what little we did, and what little we could do from our county, was very little compared to what the state party was going to do regardless of what we wanted, well - that was it for me. They replaced a great state candidate with a guy they'd 'owed' because he'd donated a lot of money. That was the end of the road for me. (He lost btw. It was the one time I voted democrat.)
I think conservatives are ineffectual (as a group in the R party) because they go to DC and gradually realize that they want to join the club. All the Ds are in the club (except a few renegades like Fetterman, I suppose). The media are in the club. The heads of agencies are in the club. The lobbyists are in the club. The foreign diplomats are in the club. Real conservatives are not in the club.
Right up until they are.
Almost everyone's in a club. Aren't a majority of conservatives members of a congregation/parish in their communities? There's as much intense pressure on them to express the approved viewpoints as might be found targeting students on a college campus to support only left-wing views.
All of life is the struggle for power and resources. The nature of the people who win at any particular moment will determine if the power and resources are used for betterment or worserment.
People can seldom tell the difference between betterment or worserment (I like that) because they often don't have solid convictions based on something other than what is going on in the group they want to be a part of. Which is a problem for those marketing themselves as conservatives. I also think that although the instinct to conform is strong, it is much less strong amoungst conservatives, which is why you find more outliers there than in the Ds. And because a lot of real conservatives don't like compromising their principles, there is less unanimity in the Rs than there is in the Ds.
MLHVM— Re: "People can seldom tell the difference between betterment or worserment (I like that) because they often don't have solid convictions based on something other than what is going on in the group they want to be a part of. "
In my experience, this is very true. It's lesson in objective reality I've had to learn, and painfully, more than once. Covid times was my unscheduled PhD in the subject, lol.
I really disagree with you here. George W. Bush was as ruthless and lying a politician as Hillary and he behaved so while being a so-described born-again Christian and conservatives voted him in twice.
Let's just boil it down to its essence. Everyone hates everyone else but with varying degrees of politesse.
I have to say that most of the people I know and am close to do not feel pressured to conform or agree with beliefs just because of generic in-group preferences. I do agree that there are a lot of people like that but it is not my experience.
How do you and the people you know and are close to sort yourselves into social groups and preferences? [this is a neutral question]
Trump did a hostile takeover of the Republican Party and most of them have to act like they are onboard. Only a few really are though.
Well, Mitch, we know that.
Man, oh man. It's like the GOP has one shred of success and they all turn into rabid, anti-free speech assholes.
It's kinda simple actually, give Americans law & order, opportunity and a country to be proud of. And stop with the bullshit foreign policy provoking mayhem around the world.
This isn't that difficult - but they keep embarrassing themselves.
Among the hopes and dreams I had when I voted in November was that Trump would be the final destruction of both political parties.
Hey SCA-
Check this. Hillary’s color for her revolution last time was purple.
https://x.com/mikebenzcyber/status/1970733471342756266?s=12
I think Republicans should name this to the world. Call them out. If everyone talks about it they lose.
They are going to win the midterms with the help of most Republicans in Congress and anyone who doesn't want that to happen better get all their own shit together. Iron guts needed, fast.
I think you are likely correct. Most republicans are themselves gutless.
Greed?
Well, greed is fully bipartisan.
I wonder how "24" would play right about now.
I mean, sure, it's got it's areas where I wondered how true it was. Like, getting across LA in 15 minutes.
It was really just torture porn anyway.
That show was ridiculous. Just people making poor decision after poor decision. I could not watch it. Someone loaned us the dvd.
Fauda. I watched 3 seasons of it. Quite good.
"Prisoners of War" is the one I'm particularly thinking of but it needs to be watched in its entirety. Punches you in the gut, repeatedly.
I loved "Fauda" too but it was, you might say, a little wee bit less nuanced.
Yes, Fauda was pretty stark and direct. The subtle part is that most of the adversaries don't really hate each other, and that they are just all part of some societal theater production where they all must play their rolls.
No, I disagree. The Arabs and the Sephardic Jews especially really do hate each other because they're mirror images of each other.
It's mostly the Ashkenazi Jews with strong liberal values unable to comprehend how much the Arabs hate them.
I agree that's true, but I'm talking specifically about the main characters in Fauda.
The main Arab antagonists in the show absolutely do hate the Israelis.
ck this out re israel
https://ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/shahak.html
I think you’re giving Trump way more credit than he deserves here.
Well, there is that sort of person who would think so.
You have the 11/6 follow up video from this person? I'd like to get a political analysts take on the outcome...
She lost her job as analyst
There's that right wing cancel culture again. I miss the days when a person could be horribly wrong in every way about the super bowl level event of their career and just shrug it off as a bad Tuesday and go on with their job on Wednesday.
It's not just being horribly wrong. "Very fine people" went on for seven years. Seven fucking years. It doesn't exactly take Woodward and Bernstein to watch a 3 minute video clip.
Woodward and Bernstein were not great investigators. They were spoon-fed information by an FBI government traitor. Name one other "investigation" they did of any consequence.
Point taken, but at least showing up in an empty parking garage for a surreptitious meeting requires a driver's license. A slow eight year old could look up a video clip of a press conference.
Not my experience in “real world”. In the real world, if you make a mistake, there are consequences. If you make a big mistake, there are big consequences, and if you make a huge mistake…well, I think you get the idea.
Of course, my real world only applies to private sector, not government jobs. Government jobs tend to have no consequences and therefore, by definition, are inconsequential
The pompousness of the woman in that video barely scratches the surface of the smug, seething, puss-filled, assholery of most of the lefties I know. Back before I woke up and smelled the coffee, I used to hear phrases like, "voted against their own best interest" and wonder, "How the effing eff do YOU know what their best interests are?" I coined the term, "the arrogance of certainty" and thereafter took steps to reduce my own tendencies to make the same mistakes. It's going to take a lot more than Heels Up Harris losing or Jimmy Kimmel almost getting canned to change these people's perspective. Either way, I'm here for it!
"So we decided that it would be in your best interest
If we put you somewhere, where you could get the help that you need"
And I go, "Wait, what are you talking about?
We decided? My best interest?
How do you know what my best interest is?
How can you say what my best interest is?
What are you trying to say, I'm crazy?
When I went to your schools, I went to your churches
I went to your institutional learning facilities
So how can you say I'm crazy?"
Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized, great 80s punk tune...
All I wanted was a Pepsi
Yes, that "voting against their own best interests" line used to infuriate me. How can you advocate for "democracy" when you are essentially saying that some groups of people are not smart enough to know their own best interests.
Well, my very elderly parents still insist on Voting for Democrats - even though they are Catholic/Kennedy Demos ...... Some people REALLY do not know that they are voting against their own best interests.
lol, I see 'em in my family world, too
I won’t even be alone with my TDS sister anymore. She turned on me fast once, right before the election when I was visiting, immediately after revealing my husband has bladder cancer so I started crying ( we had just got the diagnosis) She then went and got her Xanax and handed me a pill. Who does that? I got home and sent it back to her which set her off again. Only in large family groups will I attempt engagement. Smaller group since some members she has managed to pull into her fantasy shithole of hate I’m 12 years older and I’m done with her. As her daughter is as well, which is sad. I hate to think wat has to happen even now to make a difference with these types.
Wow! Xanax? That's cold. Is that supposed to be an empathy substitute. The fact that your sister had Xanax indicates that she's probably dependent on it. Says a lot about her current state of mind.
Yes it does. She expressed interest when I had painkillers left over from a surgery. I used to hide them when she came over. Her life is getting very small now. I pray for her but stay away. She’s a lot like a crazy aunt we had. 🤔
I returned to Texas officially in 2017 from Southern California, however, the return began around September of 2016 as a road trip prior to a "visit" to MD Anderson for a biopsy for oral cancer which was positive and sent me back to MDA for partial removal of my tongue and palate, reconstruction of my mouth and radiation treatment. My husband decided to stay in Texas and we literally pulled up us, his parents (in their late 80s), our son (28 at the time) & dog. We are Republicans but at time centrist and very ignorant. Texas isn't the same as in 1976 when I left. My husband's brother is very like your sister and every Holiday a nightmare. Fortunately, their 2 boys are more moderate, at least to family. We are Christians, so we try to keep peace, but, seems like peace is no longer possible. They assassinated a well liked conservative thought leader and it is not Ok to live and let live, apparently. Game on, Karens.
And I’m right there with you!
Assholery! Love it! Yes, they vote against their own interest for sure. I used to feel betrayed by them after every election, when they would always screw the populace royal, after they got the vote. This was before I woke up...
First of all, re Savant, most autists who are savants are male. Autism is more prevalent in boys than girls. Second, the feeling expressed by kitten is why I had to move from the beautiful state of Washington last year. Back in 2022, I forgot to turn off my phone ringer one day when I was in court. A call came in and my ringtone is “God Bless the USA.” I was attacked as a “Trump Supporter,” and “facist.” I tried to say, I just like the song. No one cared. The song represents a departure from my youth when I was against the Viet Nam War. I didn’t wake up until August 2016. Had to be silent in a community, both professional and personal, of liberals who were very vocal of their political positions until our move to Texas last year. It felt like an existential threat to stay. Gov Inslee built Covid camps for the non-vaxxers. But for Omicron, we would have been put in one. We felt like refugees when we arrived in TX last year. First day after we arrived, we got new drivers licenses and license plates. We didn’t want anyone here to think we were bringing shitty politics with us.
As someone in Texas, we appreciate it when we get refugees from the insane states and not just people who are coming in to try to replicate those failed policies. :)
I hear that even some of the ones who land in Austin are relatively sane. I know a lot of people who've left California for Texas, they tell me they appreciate that outside the big cities especially there's some powerful pushback against the wokie crap and covidian overreach. That said, some of the wokiest wokies I know are Texans.
Washington went bad.
After violating our own constitution and statutory law throughout 2020, in January of 2021 their congress voted to make State of Energency duration, powers and scope entirely at the discretion of the governor. They then ammended the RCW to make it a felony to disobey any public official's order "during a state of emergency". Yes, your local librarian could call the cops on you if you refused to follow *their* (not necessarily the state's) mask *guidelines* and you're facing a felony.
Keep in mind, the lefties growing up in Washington had Manzanar drummed into their heads. They were the worst "send 'em to the camps, and 0w0 I wanna help load the cattlecars of all.
BTW: Democrat governor in WW2. So yeah.
Welcome! We have room for you.
I hope the guy at the liquor store saw that video!
All praise to that guy.
I rarely use the “C” word but when listening to that old bitch cackle and boast all my mind kept going to was that she is a raging C U Next Tuesday. See…I still disn’t use it! But let’s be honest, there are times when it’s the only pejorative that fits.
Come on guys you know you were thinking it! It’s okay for a woman to call another woman that word but men are still gun shy about using it. In my world nothing is off the table when it comes to this nonsense. I am OVER IT! If you don’t like it…fuck off. I’m just too old and too tired to care about it anymore. The Left has exhausted me of my speech filter.
Ain’t that the fucking truth.
C U Next Tuesday, great one! Had to go look up the etymology of "cunt" and what do you know, it's from an Old Norse word we still use today over here.
"Kunt/kånt" dep. on where you're from. Translates to "pack basket" in English which is way off. A kånt is a backback or shoulder-slung bag made from woven strips of wood and/or birch bark (called näver, pronounced almost the same as never in English):
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kont
There's also the term "kuntmått" (also a place-name) which means "the amount of things you can fit inside a kunt".
Given that the woman in the clip most certainly qualifies as "an old bag", cunt is very apt indeed.
Sorry, just had to scratch my Besserwisser-itch. Oh, and that show The Savant? I listened to a podcast last week talking about it. The main character dumps her black husband and their kids to shack up with the leader of a white supremacist gang and "pumping him for information" by banging him. A lot. The suspense is supposed lay in "will she join the bad guys or not?"...
Not exactly the role-model Amazon might want to give young women.
In a sense, it's distasteful to associate that word with that specimen, as it is an indirect acknowledgement that "she" has one of those (a cunt). I'm not comfortable with that assumption, but if "she" does, I suspect it (the cunt) has atrophied.
I would bet that hers has not been used in a long, long time. If ever. At least not by a man. She’s insufferable. I’m venturing a guess she drank that champagne alone, in the dark, while screaming that orange man bad is going to force all women into red robes and snoods.
Kackala should have picked her for a running mate 🤣
OMFG, could you even imagine!!!
Those With Attitude Never Triumph. My wife's pet word for female drivers that cut her off in traffic.
Remember George Carlin’s famous “seven words…”?
Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits. The only one still frowned upon is cunt.
https://youtube.com/shorts/7pVHpGjc4YM?si=AEPxoXm6p0t4LNqG
I know I’m supposed to be laughing at how moronic this woman is, but what I’m actually feeling is more alarming and visceral. Probably because I’ve been on the receiving end of so many of these interactions. As a lawyer, I’m surrounded by this type constantly—at work, and even in the handful of friendships I’ve maintained from law school.
It feels like these people are lost forever—beyond redemption, persuasion, or even basic logic. Not just because of their own delusions, but because they actively avoid opportunities to debate or consider any counterpoint. I’d like to think that’s because they know, on some level, their views wouldn’t survive scrutiny—that the only way their ideology survives is in an unquestioning echo chamber. But I’m not even sure they have the self-awareness to ask themselves whether their beliefs hold up in the first place.
Jennifer Crawford— I could say the same. It's been really creepy— and for some years now. It all seems normal, then out of the blue— at a lovely buffet at a wedding reception, say, or over the soup and salad in a restaurant— blammo, they're RABID. And I didn't provoke it by anything I said. It's just, out of nowhere, "I hope someone kills Trump!!" or, "there's NOTHING more important than killing white privilege!!"— and they assume, really apparently blindly assume, that I, being their friend and colleague, and not some redneck lowbrow in their estimation, agree!! Their outburst is never an invitation to discuss or to debate, it seems it's more a discharge of sadistic energy and an invitation to me to participate!
This sort of thing is really outside my life experience, and I am not a young person. These are my old friends and collagues. It's so sudden, and so rabid, and so insanely outside anything I recognize as reality, I'm always taken by surprise. I would say the PC stuff was going on for a long while, but it really ramped up in 2018-2019. Then in covid times it just got even crazier.
It is very difficult to fathom. Psychological explanations go a long ways, but... I don't think that's quite the whole enchilada.
Demon possession and satan followers
maybe brain damage from the vax.
The thought has crossed my mind.
or, as i was thinking afterwards, brain damage from any one of numerous toxic pharma drugs - not to mention the neuron-damaging, glioblastoma-promoting wireless radiation most people are closely and nearly constantly exposed to . . .
One wonders why that dizzy bitch in the video would be concerned about "reproductive rights."
You know that abortion IS healthcare. That’s what the virtue signaling yard sign down the street says anyway. I’d slap a Murder sticker over healthcare some night but they have a ring thing doorbell. Black hoodie? Mask? Wig?
Thing is, they had years to formalize it, from back in the day when she was still effable with beer goggles, they have had the super majority congress and presidency to do it, but they would rather hang it, carrot like, over women's heads every election because there is a certain type that will vote for that cause no matter what.
I started seeing that in the mid oughts and it went a long way in my slowly backing away from the dem party.
I’m betting the old Karen in the video drank that whole bottle of champagne that night at midnight while she cried and boohooed 😂😂😂
I wonder if it was the reprehensible behavior of the online left after Kirk was brutally assassinated in front of his kids or the revelation that youtube was censoring during the pandemic (interesting timing, BTW... Dollars to doughnuts some "disaster PR" firm told them to dump the news in the fog of what's been happening over the past 3 weeks).
Women like this "protagonist" are so fascinating to me. Do they understand that ideologies like white nationalism are the predictable outcome of the bullshit they promote? Is the alternative to "white nationalism" a country where equal outcome identity politics, ethnic riots, and "wise latinas" on SCOTUS making idiotic health decisions for people like me? Is all that just an unavoidable part of living in a multi-ethnic society? Is that what you're signing on for if you're not a white nationalist?
It's such a total lack of discernment and accountability. How can someone make it to adulthood like that?
She's an adult?🤔😂
I wrote her off as a blow up monster with the air being let out of it from the ass end. Too bad she didn’t take flight around the room.
😂😂😂
The funny thing about those right of center finally finding their voices and moving to call out the left’s morality issues is the left will now claim victimhood for the same thing they’ve been doing to their foes for 60 years.
We used to have a saying among my friends in San Francisco: “You can have any opinion you like as long as it’s just like theirs.”
On election night our neighbors, not wanting to startle us with the noises, texted my wife to let her know that they would be setting off fireworks later that night. Remembering what happened in 2016 after I had gone to bed, I waited until 1 or 2 am to text them them back and asked to use their fireworks.
Awesome. 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t know how this ends. In my circle which I’ve tightened considerably in the last 5 years, I have 2 close friends who completely flipped. I’ve known one for 20+ years and the other for 40. The ladder was my AA sponsor and accountant. And within a year during Covid he excommunicated me. My other friend bombards me and a few others in a 12 year thread about his TDS and other southpaw vomit all while insisting he’s conservative. These people are brainwashed and they aren’t coming back. And there’s still a lot of them out there fighting their fight.