As a New Yorker, I can’t imagine any New Yorker not having contempt for Trump. I am definitely conservative but I grew up watching Trump be a dirty rotten scoundrel. Regardless of his current politics and lip service to conservative values, regardless that I agree and welcome many of the changes he claims to want to make, I can’t unknow what I know about him from years of him in my “hometown”. I will never trust that he’s no longer the person he was. So the fact that he was chosen - nominated by the GOP - to play this role kind of proves to me that it was intentional to cultivate enough hatred for a civil war.
As a non-New Yorker, I never knew anything about Trump until the 2016 election campaign. What I think I know now is that he was a Democrat and a good friend of the Clintons who switched to the Republican Party to run against Hillary for President, with the full connivance of Hillary and the leftist establishment media that supported her. Normally, they just give candidates they don't like no coverage, and let them die on the vine, as they did the same season with Sanders. But Trump got front page coverage almost every day, cast as a right-wing lunatic certainly, but the coverage nevertheless that wins campaigns. The whole Clinton strategy was to pump him up to win the Republican nomination, whereupon he would be solidly rejected as an extremist by the big bulge of responsible Bell Curve moderates, who would then have to vote for Clinton.
It was certainly not the GOP establishment that nominated Trump. He was an outsider to them, and humiliated their candidates again and again. He got that nomination, and ultimately won the election, by a confluence of alienated rural and working class people with the establishment media and Hillary Clinton herself. The Clintonists have been doing damage control ever since, and hence the insane levels of hatred they continue to foster against the man and his supporters.
I cop to having voted for Trump in '16 because Hillary represented the dynastic more-of-the-same incrementalist hogwash that had disappointed me for decades as a Democrat. Trump was my Hail Mary vote, and my expectations were low. He sure surprised me in a delightful way! If you had told me in 1987 that that philandering, gold-plated real estate blowhard on the cover of People every other week was not only going to be president, but a *good* president, I would have hollered, "Get outta town!"
You were ahead of me. I was a Bernie supporter then, and voted for Jill Stein when the DNC nominated the one Democrat I detested at the level of Bush-Cheney. I had mixed feelings: I was a bit disturbed that Trump won, but also relieved to the point of euphoria that Hillary had not. I was pleasantly surprised that his administration was actually fairly decent, in contrast to the hysterical hatred fomented by the Clintonists over his every move. Between the Covid scam, the George Floyd race riots, and their open support for censorship, the Democrats had gone full-on terrorist-totalitarian by mid 2020. The Green and Libertarian third parties I usually voted for were busy showing lack of leadership on current issues by pretending it was still the 1980s, and Trump seemed to be the only one who was at least trying to do anything good, so I voted for him with reservations. In 2024, I voted for him again, with enthusiastic conviction, and so far have been at least 80% tickled pink at the result.
THAT is an interesting point of view. I had always wondered at how in the world Trump got the 2016 nomination:
such an anti-orthodox GOP, insulting to the other 15 candidates,
BUT: Front page coverage w/ MSM's, and Hilary quasi-backed as a strategy for HER success!
I scratched my head: "HOW could this be? There are so many other good options like Rubio, Cruz, . . . "
Trump was a celebrity, with no "chops". . . of course, I was patently proved dead wrong on that one!
I did not vote for him in 2016(Cruz as a protest vote; I have in the last two elections though). I believe you hit the nail, that makes a lot of sense.
and I love it how you sum it all up with the Clintons' eating their words, frying in their own slow boiler of "elite-strategy"!
Considering that "every accusation is a reveal," that perspective also brings out the supreme irony of the Russiagate scandal promoted by the Clintonists to take him down afterwards. Supposedly Putin conspired with Trump to "meddle" in American elections, when in fact it was Hillary herself who was conspiring, likely with Trump, to interfere in the internal politics of the rival party.
I've always "heard" (from questionable sources) that he screwed over subcontractors, etc etc. But how does one get mega-buildings built in NYC without playing hardball, and possibly, a few under-the-table payoff. Then throw in a few Tony Soprano types for good measure. The "hatred" of him by New Yorkers seems a bit off. I only saw him in the society pages of Spy Magazine back in the early 80's. Didn't seem to warrant the vitriol that came later.
Some scoundrel examples off the top of my head: Trump hired illegals and casual day labor to build Trump Tower and then didn’t pay them, to the point that they shut down traffic around the whole neighborhood with protests. He said it was a fight against unions but he took advantage of desperate people and screwed them. He bought up old buildings with numerous elderly tenants who had what was called rent controlled apartments- a cap on the rent - and said he didn’t care what happened to them, it was bad business to have apartments going for less than the current market price. Their family members should take them in, he said. He got investors to help him buy failing businesses like an Atlantic City casino which he then allowed to go bankrupt. Just on and on scamming and screwing people. This was way before any kind of celebrity media coverage. Classic con artist making people like you and agree with you and think you’re one of them and you’re going to get them a great return on their investment.
Yeah, I hear your contempt. I don't care about my "return on investment", Amy, but I do care that our entire justice and intelligence departments were weaponized against actual American citizens like me under the Biden ghost-regime (he obviously wasn't the "president" but Blinken, Nuland, Clinton, Deep State was) instead of doing their job. So, did you get a great return on investment from them? They fired actual ballistic missiles into Russia taking us a hair's breath from total global annihilation, don't you recall. The really BAD men like Trump and Putin are the only reason me and you are still alive to type these words.
Amy, that is an interesting response viewed by a mid-westerner. All I know about Trump started with "You're Fired!", evolved by MSM's continued coverage of the man. Coverage went from adulation for him and his top-rated show to extreme hatred. In parallel with that my long time concerns with MSM transitioned from believing they were responsible for a lot of influence both socially and politically to believing the main stream media is a direct and obvious tool utilized by the FAR LEFT, near exclusively, to take down America. So, although I believe a plan is afoot to cause civil war, as you do, the source is a lot different!
New Yorker here! I think DJT is the perfect man for the job, voted for him 3x! Not looking for a perfect man but a man who will get the job done! Biden was no Angel - research how he met Jill- and neither was Obama - research his actions in Chicago.
“grew up watching Trump be a dirty rotten scoundrel “. The past press was kinder in the past treating him as a publicity hound rejected by old money. Scoundrel has been more recent.
But I doubted if he was a conservative. Maybe he’s one now.
I love what Trump is doing on the home front, but I have growing reservations about his foreign policy. He is obviously in the pockets of the Zionist lobby and is in grave danger of leading us into war with Iran. He promised to get us out of endless Deep State wars, not start new ones.
Yes, I read about that. I also saw the video of him learning the jobs of the people who worked in his hotel. He was making a bed the way a maid showed him, and cleaning the bathroom sink as she instructed him. Sure, it was great publicity for him, but it came across as real. And in all my extensive work experience, I have never encountered a higher up who would dream of taking instruction from a lowly employee on how to do their job. It would never enter their mind to do such a thing. But Trump thought of it, and did it. He cannot be a terrible person.
That's why people like Trump: he's actually comfortable with ordinary people. He lacks the "not our kind, dear" snob instinct that most of the rich have (and which leads them to be Marxists). He's got the same gaudy taste as a low-level rapper driving around on gold rims bought on installment, and he doesn't care who knows it.
(That's also why his McDonald's stunt worked like gangbusters: he was completely comfortable there and he actually likes the place. Contrast with John Kerry who stopped at a Wendy's during the 2004 campaign because one of their handlers wanted John to try and look normal and his wife blurted out that she didn't know what chili was after looking at the menu).
Check out the recent Real Time with Bill Maher clip where Bill shares his surprise at how well his White House dinner with Kid Rock, Dana White, and President Trump went, describing it as a candid and engaging 2½-hour conversation.
As a New Yorker, I can’t imagine any New Yorker not having contempt for Trump. I am definitely conservative but I grew up watching Trump be a dirty rotten scoundrel. Regardless of his current politics and lip service to conservative values, regardless that I agree and welcome many of the changes he claims to want to make, I can’t unknow what I know about him from years of him in my “hometown”. I will never trust that he’s no longer the person he was. So the fact that he was chosen - nominated by the GOP - to play this role kind of proves to me that it was intentional to cultivate enough hatred for a civil war.
As a non-New Yorker, I never knew anything about Trump until the 2016 election campaign. What I think I know now is that he was a Democrat and a good friend of the Clintons who switched to the Republican Party to run against Hillary for President, with the full connivance of Hillary and the leftist establishment media that supported her. Normally, they just give candidates they don't like no coverage, and let them die on the vine, as they did the same season with Sanders. But Trump got front page coverage almost every day, cast as a right-wing lunatic certainly, but the coverage nevertheless that wins campaigns. The whole Clinton strategy was to pump him up to win the Republican nomination, whereupon he would be solidly rejected as an extremist by the big bulge of responsible Bell Curve moderates, who would then have to vote for Clinton.
It was certainly not the GOP establishment that nominated Trump. He was an outsider to them, and humiliated their candidates again and again. He got that nomination, and ultimately won the election, by a confluence of alienated rural and working class people with the establishment media and Hillary Clinton herself. The Clintonists have been doing damage control ever since, and hence the insane levels of hatred they continue to foster against the man and his supporters.
I cop to having voted for Trump in '16 because Hillary represented the dynastic more-of-the-same incrementalist hogwash that had disappointed me for decades as a Democrat. Trump was my Hail Mary vote, and my expectations were low. He sure surprised me in a delightful way! If you had told me in 1987 that that philandering, gold-plated real estate blowhard on the cover of People every other week was not only going to be president, but a *good* president, I would have hollered, "Get outta town!"
You were ahead of me. I was a Bernie supporter then, and voted for Jill Stein when the DNC nominated the one Democrat I detested at the level of Bush-Cheney. I had mixed feelings: I was a bit disturbed that Trump won, but also relieved to the point of euphoria that Hillary had not. I was pleasantly surprised that his administration was actually fairly decent, in contrast to the hysterical hatred fomented by the Clintonists over his every move. Between the Covid scam, the George Floyd race riots, and their open support for censorship, the Democrats had gone full-on terrorist-totalitarian by mid 2020. The Green and Libertarian third parties I usually voted for were busy showing lack of leadership on current issues by pretending it was still the 1980s, and Trump seemed to be the only one who was at least trying to do anything good, so I voted for him with reservations. In 2024, I voted for him again, with enthusiastic conviction, and so far have been at least 80% tickled pink at the result.
THAT is an interesting point of view. I had always wondered at how in the world Trump got the 2016 nomination:
such an anti-orthodox GOP, insulting to the other 15 candidates,
BUT: Front page coverage w/ MSM's, and Hilary quasi-backed as a strategy for HER success!
I scratched my head: "HOW could this be? There are so many other good options like Rubio, Cruz, . . . "
Trump was a celebrity, with no "chops". . . of course, I was patently proved dead wrong on that one!
I did not vote for him in 2016(Cruz as a protest vote; I have in the last two elections though). I believe you hit the nail, that makes a lot of sense.
and I love it how you sum it all up with the Clintons' eating their words, frying in their own slow boiler of "elite-strategy"!
I'm glad it resonated!
Considering that "every accusation is a reveal," that perspective also brings out the supreme irony of the Russiagate scandal promoted by the Clintonists to take him down afterwards. Supposedly Putin conspired with Trump to "meddle" in American elections, when in fact it was Hillary herself who was conspiring, likely with Trump, to interfere in the internal politics of the rival party.
I've always "heard" (from questionable sources) that he screwed over subcontractors, etc etc. But how does one get mega-buildings built in NYC without playing hardball, and possibly, a few under-the-table payoff. Then throw in a few Tony Soprano types for good measure. The "hatred" of him by New Yorkers seems a bit off. I only saw him in the society pages of Spy Magazine back in the early 80's. Didn't seem to warrant the vitriol that came later.
Nope he does and did not deserve the vitriol. The press and celebs loved him. So did every woman. Until 2016.
Some scoundrel examples off the top of my head: Trump hired illegals and casual day labor to build Trump Tower and then didn’t pay them, to the point that they shut down traffic around the whole neighborhood with protests. He said it was a fight against unions but he took advantage of desperate people and screwed them. He bought up old buildings with numerous elderly tenants who had what was called rent controlled apartments- a cap on the rent - and said he didn’t care what happened to them, it was bad business to have apartments going for less than the current market price. Their family members should take them in, he said. He got investors to help him buy failing businesses like an Atlantic City casino which he then allowed to go bankrupt. Just on and on scamming and screwing people. This was way before any kind of celebrity media coverage. Classic con artist making people like you and agree with you and think you’re one of them and you’re going to get them a great return on their investment.
Yeah, I hear your contempt. I don't care about my "return on investment", Amy, but I do care that our entire justice and intelligence departments were weaponized against actual American citizens like me under the Biden ghost-regime (he obviously wasn't the "president" but Blinken, Nuland, Clinton, Deep State was) instead of doing their job. So, did you get a great return on investment from them? They fired actual ballistic missiles into Russia taking us a hair's breath from total global annihilation, don't you recall. The really BAD men like Trump and Putin are the only reason me and you are still alive to type these words.
Amy, that is an interesting response viewed by a mid-westerner. All I know about Trump started with "You're Fired!", evolved by MSM's continued coverage of the man. Coverage went from adulation for him and his top-rated show to extreme hatred. In parallel with that my long time concerns with MSM transitioned from believing they were responsible for a lot of influence both socially and politically to believing the main stream media is a direct and obvious tool utilized by the FAR LEFT, near exclusively, to take down America. So, although I believe a plan is afoot to cause civil war, as you do, the source is a lot different!
New Yorker here! I think DJT is the perfect man for the job, voted for him 3x! Not looking for a perfect man but a man who will get the job done! Biden was no Angel - research how he met Jill- and neither was Obama - research his actions in Chicago.
And people do change…;)
@Amy- we on the complete opposite end of the state have a different view of him.
Thanks for confirming you have a TDS affliction. Help is available.
“grew up watching Trump be a dirty rotten scoundrel “. The past press was kinder in the past treating him as a publicity hound rejected by old money. Scoundrel has been more recent.
But I doubted if he was a conservative. Maybe he’s one now.
Food for thought: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PYRYXhU4kxM
I love what Trump is doing on the home front, but I have growing reservations about his foreign policy. He is obviously in the pockets of the Zionist lobby and is in grave danger of leading us into war with Iran. He promised to get us out of endless Deep State wars, not start new ones.
So you support terrorists!
Yes, I read about that. I also saw the video of him learning the jobs of the people who worked in his hotel. He was making a bed the way a maid showed him, and cleaning the bathroom sink as she instructed him. Sure, it was great publicity for him, but it came across as real. And in all my extensive work experience, I have never encountered a higher up who would dream of taking instruction from a lowly employee on how to do their job. It would never enter their mind to do such a thing. But Trump thought of it, and did it. He cannot be a terrible person.
That's why people like Trump: he's actually comfortable with ordinary people. He lacks the "not our kind, dear" snob instinct that most of the rich have (and which leads them to be Marxists). He's got the same gaudy taste as a low-level rapper driving around on gold rims bought on installment, and he doesn't care who knows it.
(That's also why his McDonald's stunt worked like gangbusters: he was completely comfortable there and he actually likes the place. Contrast with John Kerry who stopped at a Wendy's during the 2004 campaign because one of their handlers wanted John to try and look normal and his wife blurted out that she didn't know what chili was after looking at the menu).
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Check out the recent Real Time with Bill Maher clip where Bill shares his surprise at how well his White House dinner with Kid Rock, Dana White, and President Trump went, describing it as a candid and engaging 2½-hour conversation.