Disagree (based on personal experience). If they saw a based group chat, it would make no more impression on them than trying to reason with subway girl. A college friend dismissed my complaint about our university's treatment of Jay Bhattacharya with the observation that the "fringe epidemiologist" had associated himself at some point with Hillsdale College; therefore Q.E.D. Tribal. Scales are falling from some eyes, but it takes more than an enemy-group--chat.
Are you at Stanford? The labeling of Dr. Jay and Dr. Ladapo as fringe was so shocking. MedPage still labels Dr. Ladapo as fringe despite his Harvard medical degree and work in AIDS research. A retired doctor from UCLA said he and other docs, including Ladapo, would meet in secret on how to oppose LAs mandates. So brilliant minds had to meet secretly because a deranged unqualified social worker specializing in social justice was giving orders as head of the LA health dept. My father was a social worker. I now despise that profession for being a conduit for terrible economic waste and power grabbing.
Disgraceful! I'm a Stanford grad, 1970s. I'm not ashamed of my diploma. However: nothing like the Stanford Election Integrity Project, the Stanford Virality Project or other Stanford control groups on speech existed back then. Stanford seems to have been up to its neck in censorship in recent years.
My libtard relatives are predictable as hell. I send them something with actual journalistic guts, and they instantly fire back with their little dossiersтАФтАШOh, the authorтАЩs linked to some conservative think tank!тАЩ I hit them with, тАШYeah, but did you read it?тАЩ And like obedient Catholic schoolgirls scared of a nunтАЩs ruler, they clutch their pearls and squeal, тАШWeтАЩd never touch it, itтАЩs straight from SatanтАЩs playbook.тАЩ
You mean, you still actually try? I finally learned my lesson, even with someone I thought had some general skepticism throughout his life, a couple of years ago and I'll never bother again unless someone shows inquisitiveness.
I get it, but in some sense all of us cling to a certain level of illusion because those illusions run so deep. To me, there's 1) laziness/complacency in terms of not being curious enough to seek information and 2) fear of standing apart from the larger group culturally/socially by airing skepticism and questioning, though I should probably flip the order because fear is the real source to help create complacency and lack of initiative. Once someone tends to self-censor and hesitate out of some level of fear they've silenced their curiosity for the group illusion and then slowly but surely they've eaten away at their internal capacity to even summon up questions because they can no longer see themselves and their environment outside of a reactive framework. I just think it's much more nuanced I guess is what I'm getting at with regard to the "adults" who we likely think should know better, and it ultimately does turn to a level of self-deception that gets exacerbated out of fear.
Thank you; but it's not that they aren't convinced...they do not hear. It doesn't register. Facts do not intrude: objective information doesn't explode their heads because it can be instantly ignored since the source is a perceived adversary. It is a phenomenon I have also experienced outside of the political arena, trying to reason with a covert narcissist. As Trump said, he could personally cure cancer and he wouldn't get points with them.
Jimmy Dore - probably my favourite lefty, because he's a fundamentally honest and decent person in spite of his lefty delusions - has just started to question the whole climate change narrative, after years of me pestering him in his comment threads about "yeah, Jimmy, you know they're lying about everything ... EXCEPT climate change!"
Disagree (based on personal experience). If they saw a based group chat, it would make no more impression on them than trying to reason with subway girl. A college friend dismissed my complaint about our university's treatment of Jay Bhattacharya with the observation that the "fringe epidemiologist" had associated himself at some point with Hillsdale College; therefore Q.E.D. Tribal. Scales are falling from some eyes, but it takes more than an enemy-group--chat.
Are you at Stanford? The labeling of Dr. Jay and Dr. Ladapo as fringe was so shocking. MedPage still labels Dr. Ladapo as fringe despite his Harvard medical degree and work in AIDS research. A retired doctor from UCLA said he and other docs, including Ladapo, would meet in secret on how to oppose LAs mandates. So brilliant minds had to meet secretly because a deranged unqualified social worker specializing in social justice was giving orders as head of the LA health dept. My father was a social worker. I now despise that profession for being a conduit for terrible economic waste and power grabbing.
Disgraceful! I'm a Stanford grad, 1970s. I'm not ashamed of my diploma. However: nothing like the Stanford Election Integrity Project, the Stanford Virality Project or other Stanford control groups on speech existed back then. Stanford seems to have been up to its neck in censorship in recent years.
My dad was an associate dean of a school of social work. I am so grossed out what social work has become.
Hah here is the fringe kook in action at a Re-Open CA summit in Jan 2021. So glad that a man who risked so much was rewarded. https://youtu.be/WfM-Nn4ET_U?si=mofqygWJIhf_HVuu
My libtard relatives are predictable as hell. I send them something with actual journalistic guts, and they instantly fire back with their little dossiersтАФтАШOh, the authorтАЩs linked to some conservative think tank!тАЩ I hit them with, тАШYeah, but did you read it?тАЩ And like obedient Catholic schoolgirls scared of a nunтАЩs ruler, they clutch their pearls and squeal, тАШWeтАЩd never touch it, itтАЩs straight from SatanтАЩs playbook.тАЩ
You mean, you still actually try? I finally learned my lesson, even with someone I thought had some general skepticism throughout his life, a couple of years ago and I'll never bother again unless someone shows inquisitiveness.
A great deal of intelligence, can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is great.
What we have been witnessing is proof of this:
The more desperately The Left clings to its illusions, necessarily means their investment in ignorance must commensurately increase.
I get it, but in some sense all of us cling to a certain level of illusion because those illusions run so deep. To me, there's 1) laziness/complacency in terms of not being curious enough to seek information and 2) fear of standing apart from the larger group culturally/socially by airing skepticism and questioning, though I should probably flip the order because fear is the real source to help create complacency and lack of initiative. Once someone tends to self-censor and hesitate out of some level of fear they've silenced their curiosity for the group illusion and then slowly but surely they've eaten away at their internal capacity to even summon up questions because they can no longer see themselves and their environment outside of a reactive framework. I just think it's much more nuanced I guess is what I'm getting at with regard to the "adults" who we likely think should know better, and it ultimately does turn to a level of self-deception that gets exacerbated out of fear.
Well said
You are 100% right about that, difficult to fathom as it is.
I don't think he meant they would be convinced - merely outraged.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lefties+screaming&iax=videos&ia=videos
Thank you; but it's not that they aren't convinced...they do not hear. It doesn't register. Facts do not intrude: objective information doesn't explode their heads because it can be instantly ignored since the source is a perceived adversary. It is a phenomenon I have also experienced outside of the political arena, trying to reason with a covert narcissist. As Trump said, he could personally cure cancer and he wouldn't get points with them.
Tru dat.
Fear/trauma-based mind control that establishes a clear target for scapegoating so no actual self-awareness and thought are required.
I mainly do it to mess with their heads. Maybe someday itтАЩll hit them how unhinged theyтАЩve been.
Jimmy Dore - probably my favourite lefty, because he's a fundamentally honest and decent person in spite of his lefty delusions - has just started to question the whole climate change narrative, after years of me pestering him in his comment threads about "yeah, Jimmy, you know they're lying about everything ... EXCEPT climate change!"
So, sometimes it does happen.