The result of de facto segregation of indigenous Americans. This is sadly true of many of their communities. It's simply a fact.
"American Indians and Native Alaskans number 4.5 million. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, these Americans earn a median annual income of $33,627. One in every four (25.3 percent) lives in poverty and nearly a third (29.9 percent) are without health insurance coverage.
To put this in stark terms, counties on Native American reservations are among the poorest in the country and, according to the Economic Research Service at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, nearly 60 percent of all Native Americans who live outside of metropolitan areas inhabit persistently poor counties."
This is true but have you ever been to a reservation? I visited a few never for more than a day. One was in the middle of the woods, very natural and lovely scenery but no business or industry to sustain life. Completely and totally dependent on tax money, i.e., welfare. The others were not as remote but similar in lack of business initiative.
Why must I as a tax payer support a healthy, able bodied person?
Guilt and welfare are not the problems or the solutions.
I upvoted your first comment because I misunderstood what you were saying.
Yes, in Michigan. Obviously, there are exceptions.
The situation with Native Americans is similar to the situation with other minorities, particularly in urban areas. It's why brilliant thinkers like Thomas Sowell condemned affirmative action and race-based preferences as he recognized that these practices are counter-productive.
They do not promote upward advancement but rather only serve to perpetuate dependence on the government for support. William F. Buckley, Jr. once said, тАЬThere is an inverse relationship between reliance on the state and self-reliance.тАЭ
Controlling minorities through dependence on the government is an industry just like abortion and the prison system.
The reservation system is slow-motion extinction and a reflection of a centuries-old lack of political will to do one of two things:
1) Make designated Indian territories fully sovereign nations with the powers (and responsibilities) to figure out their own shit.
2) Make those with tribal claims to Indian territories and identity regular American citizens with no positive or negative special status, designate their land privately owned that they can do whatever they want with under law like everyone else, and finally end their status as existing in a limbo-state of half-assimilated descendants of conquered people.
My understanding is that since the reservations operate outside of American jurisdiction on lots of matters, the people suffer under corruption from their leaders.
I understand that reservations are operated by socialism. Socialism breeds poverty. With very few exceptions, no one on a reservation has control over their lives or property.
I have never understood why the US allows other тАЬnationsтАЭ inside our nation. I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for тАЬnative americansтАЭ so they could continue living as they had, sort of, before the white men тАЬinvadedтАЭ. But at some point, isnтАЩt it time for the тАЬnative americansтАЭ to join the rest of the country? For many reasons, including participation in a prosperous, successful society.
All of us have ancestors from somewhere else, and a lot of us are proud of our cultural heritage and practices. That means my mom and I make kringla at Christmas and our extended family are all nice Norwegian Lutherans who laugh a lot and rarely argue. DoesnтАЩt mean we have to still live on farms in rural Iowa like my great grandparents did in the old days, or even still be Lutheran.
IsnтАЩt it strange how this only applies to white nations.
There canтАЩt be an evil South Africa, or an evil RhodesiaтАж
There canтАЩt be an america because weтАЩre a mythical тАЬmelting potтАЭ.
And this violates the order of тАЬindigenous peoplesтАЭтАж
But there can never be an тАЬIndigenousтАЭ wales, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany, Netherlands, etc etc etcтАж nooooo, those are all cultural melting pots too, full of тАЬdiversityтАЭтАж
But you never see Japan, or China, or Africa, or anywhere else referred to as needing тАЬmore diversityтАЭтАж.
You make a valid point. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, humanity's history is about migration and colonialism.
The distinction is that contemporary colonialism is the history of white Europeans conquering indigenous peoples globally. Now that generations have benefited from the fruits of European colonialism, it's fashionable to condemn them as "racist".
When I was a young musician I used to play bass with an African percussionist from Ghana. He used to give demonstrations in African percussion to schools in the Detroit suburbs.
One of his favorite lecture topics was to teach children that slavery wasn't about Europeans stealing Africans from Africa. Rather, that powerful African tribes sold subjugated people to the Europeans and profited from it.
Of course, mouths dropped and teachers went nuts when faced with this basic truth. The same is true about the history of so-called "European colonialism".
Notice how Europeans take ALL the blame for bringing disease to the new world, but thereтАЩs absolute crickets over Arabs bringing the Black Death to European citiesтАж
Hey, you're over-generalizing here, don't you think?
Many, MANY caucasians' ancestors came here as indentured servants, or just plain poor people. Several member of the Irish immigrant family I descend from died of 'black lung' from working in coal mines as indentured servants. They were driven here by the ruin of their original homeland by the English government's abusive policies.
And many of African descent came here after slavery was abolished.
And while people may consider themselves to be indigenous, or descended from African slaves, sometimes they are they are more caucasian than not.
Some native americans (like my ancestors) were all : "fuck you and your 'blood quantum'; 'sovereign nation' reservation = prison. Don't need no invader to tell me where and how to live." They assimilated, but not to the extent of trusting fed gov't.--unlike so many other so-called 'citizens' we have seen these last couple years.
In practical effect, it's no different from what the apartheid government in South Africa did beginning in 1977 when it created 'independent homelands' in areas that were predominantly populated by African tribes. These 'homelands' - Bophuthatswana and Ciskei, for example - were only created to further advance the government's apartheid agenda. Guttermouth's Option 2, is really what should take place.
It's why Ian Smith was praised as a visionary and patriot within five years of Zimbabwean independence and ZANU/Mugabe rule. Rhodesia was what it was but it was also the 'breadbasket of Africa' from the time of its 1965 UDI and even after the creation of Zimbabwe. Smith, et al., warned the world that Mugabe was a Marxist who would destroy the country which is what happened. The same thing is occurring in South Africa.
History is never simple, because people are complex. Whatever this historical garbage is must be from a gubmint skool edmencation your were fed.
" I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for тАЬnative americansтАЭ so they could continue living as they had, sort of,"
Northern Georgia, "Trail of Tears" 1830's under President Andrew Jackson. Gold discovered in Dahlonga, Ga. 1828 on "Cherokee Land".
Earlier in 1804 Chief Vann was a prosporous Cherokee half breed plantation slaveowner. He had President Madison as an overnight guest in 1819.
Independence from a distant centralized big govt is likely the reason anyone fought for the confederacy
ItтАЩs not true that the civil war was fought to end slavery that is one big lie.
thatтАЩs as big a lie as pretending
the only reason to not support Obama was because тАЬ...you were a racist who didnтАЩt want to see a black man in the White HouseтАЭ
IтАЩm not a racist but I did not support support Obama because he was & remains an anti American who intentionally implemented policies designed to destroy this country from our national security to our history all of it & this admin has reinstated obamas Destroy America Policy
Fuel prices have тАЬ...necessarily sky rocketedтАЭ just like obama promised & racial relations have receded back into pre-civil rights era...
The head of the cia was quoted back in 1950something as saying that when every thing that every American believed was not true they (cia) would know they had succeeded in their operation.
Slavery was a prime issue. as a proud Confederate I will admit that from all of the historical evidence. That Lincoln had to provoke a Civil War over Ft. Sumter was a DC Ruse the Secessionists fell right into. That is all water well past the bridge.
Obama the Bolshvik Upsurper is much more relevant along with the DC Deep Statists of repubRats and democRats. Cia, FIB, DOJ, IRS, EPA, ETC have all formed an independent 4th Branch of Feral Gov.
That "health insurance" thing is a devil's bargain for real though. Until people realize how much of their own autonomy is traded off for the "privilege" of being "treated" by "experts" nothing will change. Now, go get your booster shot like a good patient, and if that doesn't work, get some remdesivir. (Not as new of a scenario as one might think it is.)
I will admit to a certain avairce in 1864, plundering the Yankee banks in Frederick,MD for their gold, which was sent to a still undisclosed location in the South. Burning the town down was simply a small token for Gen. Sherman's burning of Atlanta.
Perhaps if I hadn't dallied I could have gotten to DC more expeditiously and seen Marse Lincoln high tailing it for a Yankee ship on the Potomac to make his escape.
But, Alas, We are stuck with "What Is", which Is, usually, the Unfinished Business of Earlier Recalcitrants like myself. I do profoundly apologize, especially for the Indian Mess, which I had absolutely nothing to do with. :-)
The contemporary manifestation of the 'Trail of Tears'.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is that supposed to mean?
The result of de facto segregation of indigenous Americans. This is sadly true of many of their communities. It's simply a fact.
"American Indians and Native Alaskans number 4.5 million. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, these Americans earn a median annual income of $33,627. One in every four (25.3 percent) lives in poverty and nearly a third (29.9 percent) are without health insurance coverage.
To put this in stark terms, counties on Native American reservations are among the poorest in the country and, according to the Economic Research Service at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, nearly 60 percent of all Native Americans who live outside of metropolitan areas inhabit persistently poor counties."
https://opportunitynation.org/latest-news/blog/native-american-poverty/
This is true but have you ever been to a reservation? I visited a few never for more than a day. One was in the middle of the woods, very natural and lovely scenery but no business or industry to sustain life. Completely and totally dependent on tax money, i.e., welfare. The others were not as remote but similar in lack of business initiative.
Why must I as a tax payer support a healthy, able bodied person?
Guilt and welfare are not the problems or the solutions.
I upvoted your first comment because I misunderstood what you were saying.
Yes, in Michigan. Obviously, there are exceptions.
The situation with Native Americans is similar to the situation with other minorities, particularly in urban areas. It's why brilliant thinkers like Thomas Sowell condemned affirmative action and race-based preferences as he recognized that these practices are counter-productive.
They do not promote upward advancement but rather only serve to perpetuate dependence on the government for support. William F. Buckley, Jr. once said, тАЬThere is an inverse relationship between reliance on the state and self-reliance.тАЭ
Controlling minorities through dependence on the government is an industry just like abortion and the prison system.
The reservation system is slow-motion extinction and a reflection of a centuries-old lack of political will to do one of two things:
1) Make designated Indian territories fully sovereign nations with the powers (and responsibilities) to figure out their own shit.
2) Make those with tribal claims to Indian territories and identity regular American citizens with no positive or negative special status, designate their land privately owned that they can do whatever they want with under law like everyone else, and finally end their status as existing in a limbo-state of half-assimilated descendants of conquered people.
My understanding is that since the reservations operate outside of American jurisdiction on lots of matters, the people suffer under corruption from their leaders.
I understand that reservations are operated by socialism. Socialism breeds poverty. With very few exceptions, no one on a reservation has control over their lives or property.
I have never understood why the US allows other тАЬnationsтАЭ inside our nation. I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for тАЬnative americansтАЭ so they could continue living as they had, sort of, before the white men тАЬinvadedтАЭ. But at some point, isnтАЩt it time for the тАЬnative americansтАЭ to join the rest of the country? For many reasons, including participation in a prosperous, successful society.
All of us have ancestors from somewhere else, and a lot of us are proud of our cultural heritage and practices. That means my mom and I make kringla at Christmas and our extended family are all nice Norwegian Lutherans who laugh a lot and rarely argue. DoesnтАЩt mean we have to still live on farms in rural Iowa like my great grandparents did in the old days, or even still be Lutheran.
IsnтАЩt it strange how this only applies to white nations.
There canтАЩt be an evil South Africa, or an evil RhodesiaтАж
There canтАЩt be an america because weтАЩre a mythical тАЬmelting potтАЭ.
And this violates the order of тАЬindigenous peoplesтАЭтАж
But there can never be an тАЬIndigenousтАЭ wales, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany, Netherlands, etc etc etcтАж nooooo, those are all cultural melting pots too, full of тАЬdiversityтАЭтАж
But you never see Japan, or China, or Africa, or anywhere else referred to as needing тАЬmore diversityтАЭтАж.
You make a valid point. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, humanity's history is about migration and colonialism.
The distinction is that contemporary colonialism is the history of white Europeans conquering indigenous peoples globally. Now that generations have benefited from the fruits of European colonialism, it's fashionable to condemn them as "racist".
When I was a young musician I used to play bass with an African percussionist from Ghana. He used to give demonstrations in African percussion to schools in the Detroit suburbs.
One of his favorite lecture topics was to teach children that slavery wasn't about Europeans stealing Africans from Africa. Rather, that powerful African tribes sold subjugated people to the Europeans and profited from it.
Of course, mouths dropped and teachers went nuts when faced with this basic truth. The same is true about the history of so-called "European colonialism".
ItтАЩs blatant anti white racism.
Notice how Europeans take ALL the blame for bringing disease to the new world, but thereтАЩs absolute crickets over Arabs bringing the Black Death to European citiesтАж
Hey, you're over-generalizing here, don't you think?
Many, MANY caucasians' ancestors came here as indentured servants, or just plain poor people. Several member of the Irish immigrant family I descend from died of 'black lung' from working in coal mines as indentured servants. They were driven here by the ruin of their original homeland by the English government's abusive policies.
And many of African descent came here after slavery was abolished.
And while people may consider themselves to be indigenous, or descended from African slaves, sometimes they are they are more caucasian than not.
Really tired of the white guilt schtick, here.
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Very good comment. I agree.
Some native americans (like my ancestors) were all : "fuck you and your 'blood quantum'; 'sovereign nation' reservation = prison. Don't need no invader to tell me where and how to live." They assimilated, but not to the extent of trusting fed gov't.--unlike so many other so-called 'citizens' we have seen these last couple years.
In practical effect, it's no different from what the apartheid government in South Africa did beginning in 1977 when it created 'independent homelands' in areas that were predominantly populated by African tribes. These 'homelands' - Bophuthatswana and Ciskei, for example - were only created to further advance the government's apartheid agenda. Guttermouth's Option 2, is really what should take place.
Spent time in South Africa. The most common phrase I was told, y everyone I met, white, non white, Indian, blackтАж they all said the same thing.
Me- тАЬI love your country, itтАЩs so beautiful.тАЭ
Them- тАЬIt was better when the whites ran it.тАЭ
It's why Ian Smith was praised as a visionary and patriot within five years of Zimbabwean independence and ZANU/Mugabe rule. Rhodesia was what it was but it was also the 'breadbasket of Africa' from the time of its 1965 UDI and even after the creation of Zimbabwe. Smith, et al., warned the world that Mugabe was a Marxist who would destroy the country which is what happened. The same thing is occurring in South Africa.
History is never simple, because people are complex. Whatever this historical garbage is must be from a gubmint skool edmencation your were fed.
" I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for тАЬnative americansтАЭ so they could continue living as they had, sort of,"
Northern Georgia, "Trail of Tears" 1830's under President Andrew Jackson. Gold discovered in Dahlonga, Ga. 1828 on "Cherokee Land".
Earlier in 1804 Chief Vann was a prosporous Cherokee half breed plantation slaveowner. He had President Madison as an overnight guest in 1819.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/716353884455000252/
President Jackson sent them all packing to Oklahoma, except for a few "Renegades" in the NC mountains.
For some reason I haven't deciphered yet, the Cherokee fought for the Confederacy in GA and OK/AR in the 1860's.
Independence from a distant centralized big govt is likely the reason anyone fought for the confederacy
ItтАЩs not true that the civil war was fought to end slavery that is one big lie.
thatтАЩs as big a lie as pretending
the only reason to not support Obama was because тАЬ...you were a racist who didnтАЩt want to see a black man in the White HouseтАЭ
IтАЩm not a racist but I did not support support Obama because he was & remains an anti American who intentionally implemented policies designed to destroy this country from our national security to our history all of it & this admin has reinstated obamas Destroy America Policy
Fuel prices have тАЬ...necessarily sky rocketedтАЭ just like obama promised & racial relations have receded back into pre-civil rights era...
The head of the cia was quoted back in 1950something as saying that when every thing that every American believed was not true they (cia) would know they had succeeded in their operation.
I think they succeeded some time ago
Slavery was a prime issue. as a proud Confederate I will admit that from all of the historical evidence. That Lincoln had to provoke a Civil War over Ft. Sumter was a DC Ruse the Secessionists fell right into. That is all water well past the bridge.
Obama the Bolshvik Upsurper is much more relevant along with the DC Deep Statists of repubRats and democRats. Cia, FIB, DOJ, IRS, EPA, ETC have all formed an independent 4th Branch of Feral Gov.
Can anything be done about it? Is The Question.
That "health insurance" thing is a devil's bargain for real though. Until people realize how much of their own autonomy is traded off for the "privilege" of being "treated" by "experts" nothing will change. Now, go get your booster shot like a good patient, and if that doesn't work, get some remdesivir. (Not as new of a scenario as one might think it is.)
Yeah, you just confirmed what OP was saying.
GenE: ItтАЩs all your fault. It always is.
I will admit to a certain avairce in 1864, plundering the Yankee banks in Frederick,MD for their gold, which was sent to a still undisclosed location in the South. Burning the town down was simply a small token for Gen. Sherman's burning of Atlanta.
Perhaps if I hadn't dallied I could have gotten to DC more expeditiously and seen Marse Lincoln high tailing it for a Yankee ship on the Potomac to make his escape.
But, Alas, We are stuck with "What Is", which Is, usually, the Unfinished Business of Earlier Recalcitrants like myself. I do profoundly apologize, especially for the Indian Mess, which I had absolutely nothing to do with. :-)