The result of de facto segregation of indigenous Americans. This is sadly true of many of their communities. It's simply a fact.
"American Indians and Native Alaskans number 4.5 million. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, these Americans earn a median annual income of $33,627. One in every four (25.3 percent) lives in poverty and nearly a third (29.9 percent) are without health insurance coverage.
To put this in stark terms, counties on Native American reservations are among the poorest in the country and, according to the Economic Research Service at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, nearly 60 percent of all Native Americans who live outside of metropolitan areas inhabit persistently poor counties."
This is true but have you ever been to a reservation? I visited a few never for more than a day. One was in the middle of the woods, very natural and lovely scenery but no business or industry to sustain life. Completely and totally dependent on tax money, i.e., welfare. The others were not as remote but similar in lack of business initiative.
Why must I as a tax payer support a healthy, able bodied person?
Guilt and welfare are not the problems or the solutions.
I upvoted your first comment because I misunderstood what you were saying.
Yes, in Michigan. Obviously, there are exceptions.
The situation with Native Americans is similar to the situation with other minorities, particularly in urban areas. It's why brilliant thinkers like Thomas Sowell condemned affirmative action and race-based preferences as he recognized that these practices are counter-productive.
They do not promote upward advancement but rather only serve to perpetuate dependence on the government for support. William F. Buckley, Jr. once said, “There is an inverse relationship between reliance on the state and self-reliance.”
Controlling minorities through dependence on the government is an industry just like abortion and the prison system.
The reservation system is slow-motion extinction and a reflection of a centuries-old lack of political will to do one of two things:
1) Make designated Indian territories fully sovereign nations with the powers (and responsibilities) to figure out their own shit.
2) Make those with tribal claims to Indian territories and identity regular American citizens with no positive or negative special status, designate their land privately owned that they can do whatever they want with under law like everyone else, and finally end their status as existing in a limbo-state of half-assimilated descendants of conquered people.
My understanding is that since the reservations operate outside of American jurisdiction on lots of matters, the people suffer under corruption from their leaders.
Yes. While there are certainly good ones, tribal councils have basically no oversight and are the first stop of all cash going into or out of the reservation ecosystem.
Read up on "tribal roll purges" for a typical example of how this corruption usually works.
I understand that reservations are operated by socialism. Socialism breeds poverty. With very few exceptions, no one on a reservation has control over their lives or property.
I have never understood why the US allows other “nations” inside our nation. I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for “native americans” so they could continue living as they had, sort of, before the white men “invaded”. But at some point, isn’t it time for the “native americans” to join the rest of the country? For many reasons, including participation in a prosperous, successful society.
All of us have ancestors from somewhere else, and a lot of us are proud of our cultural heritage and practices. That means my mom and I make kringla at Christmas and our extended family are all nice Norwegian Lutherans who laugh a lot and rarely argue. Doesn’t mean we have to still live on farms in rural Iowa like my great grandparents did in the old days, or even still be Lutheran.
Isn’t it strange how this only applies to white nations.
There can’t be an evil South Africa, or an evil Rhodesia…
There can’t be an america because we’re a mythical “melting pot”.
And this violates the order of “indigenous peoples”…
But there can never be an “Indigenous” wales, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany, Netherlands, etc etc etc… nooooo, those are all cultural melting pots too, full of “diversity”…
But you never see Japan, or China, or Africa, or anywhere else referred to as needing “more diversity”….
You make a valid point. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, humanity's history is about migration and colonialism.
The distinction is that contemporary colonialism is the history of white Europeans conquering indigenous peoples globally. Now that generations have benefited from the fruits of European colonialism, it's fashionable to condemn them as "racist".
When I was a young musician I used to play bass with an African percussionist from Ghana. He used to give demonstrations in African percussion to schools in the Detroit suburbs.
One of his favorite lecture topics was to teach children that slavery wasn't about Europeans stealing Africans from Africa. Rather, that powerful African tribes sold subjugated people to the Europeans and profited from it.
Of course, mouths dropped and teachers went nuts when faced with this basic truth. The same is true about the history of so-called "European colonialism".
Notice how Europeans take ALL the blame for bringing disease to the new world, but there’s absolute crickets over Arabs bringing the Black Death to European cities…
Hey, you're over-generalizing here, don't you think?
Many, MANY caucasians' ancestors came here as indentured servants, or just plain poor people. Several member of the Irish immigrant family I descend from died of 'black lung' from working in coal mines as indentured servants. They were driven here by the ruin of their original homeland by the English government's abusive policies.
And many of African descent came here after slavery was abolished.
And while people may consider themselves to be indigenous, or descended from African slaves, sometimes they are they are more caucasian than not.
The history of genocide against Native Americans is well-documented. However, my comment wasn't coming from the 'white guilt' perspective. See my Thomas Sowell and William F. Buckley, Jr. references. History is replete with tales of subjugation.
Some native americans (like my ancestors) were all : "fuck you and your 'blood quantum'; 'sovereign nation' reservation = prison. Don't need no invader to tell me where and how to live." They assimilated, but not to the extent of trusting fed gov't.--unlike so many other so-called 'citizens' we have seen these last couple years.
In practical effect, it's no different from what the apartheid government in South Africa did beginning in 1977 when it created 'independent homelands' in areas that were predominantly populated by African tribes. These 'homelands' - Bophuthatswana and Ciskei, for example - were only created to further advance the government's apartheid agenda. Guttermouth's Option 2, is really what should take place.
It's why Ian Smith was praised as a visionary and patriot within five years of Zimbabwean independence and ZANU/Mugabe rule. Rhodesia was what it was but it was also the 'breadbasket of Africa' from the time of its 1965 UDI and even after the creation of Zimbabwe. Smith, et al., warned the world that Mugabe was a Marxist who would destroy the country which is what happened. The same thing is occurring in South Africa.
There’s no difference between peoples or cultures at all. It’s just that whites live on magical dirt. And this magical dirt creates crime free neighborhoods, innovation, great farmland, and periods of progress and political peace. The problem is, is that whites are the only ones who know where the magical dirt is, and they hoard it for themselves, and if the whites could be removed, then others could also have this magical dirt for themselves.
But then they always get this magical dirt, and discover the hard way, that magical dirt is a fairy tale, and it takes great sacrifice to create magic dirt, and the whole thing collapses under the weight of the lie. But in response, they’re lied to even more, they cling to their magic dirt theory. “Oooh the whites stole the magic dirt when they left Rhodesia. If we could all move to London, that’s the homeland for the magic dirt.” Then London fails.
Independence from a distant centralized big govt is likely the reason anyone fought for the confederacy
It’s not true that the civil war was fought to end slavery that is one big lie.
that’s as big a lie as pretending
the only reason to not support Obama was because “...you were a racist who didn’t want to see a black man in the White House”
I’m not a racist but I did not support support Obama because he was & remains an anti American who intentionally implemented policies designed to destroy this country from our national security to our history all of it & this admin has reinstated obamas Destroy America Policy
Fuel prices have “...necessarily sky rocketed” just like obama promised & racial relations have receded back into pre-civil rights era...
The head of the cia was quoted back in 1950something as saying that when every thing that every American believed was not true they (cia) would know they had succeeded in their operation.
Slavery was a prime issue. as a proud Confederate I will admit that from all of the historical evidence. That Lincoln had to provoke a Civil War over Ft. Sumter was a DC Ruse the Secessionists fell right into. That is all water well past the bridge.
Obama the Bolshvik Upsurper is much more relevant along with the DC Deep Statists of repubRats and democRats. Cia, FIB, DOJ, IRS, EPA, ETC have all formed an independent 4th Branch of Feral Gov.
For stating that if he could win the war without freeing one southern slave he would do it
THE CIVIL WAR WAS ALL ABOUT DESTROYING CONSTITUTIONAL U.S. “STATE’S RIGHTS” & therefore the u.s. constitutional protections of all of our individual rights died when we became the American Empire.
Ending the constitutional United States of America
‘Fundamentally Transforming’ that system
into the centrally controlled= “American Empire”
Which effectively took each and every state & made ‘em all ‘a little bitch’ of the now giant, all powerful federal govt.
The creation of the 2 party system was also just another way to move power & control
in fact FROM DISPERSED AMONG THE VARIOUS STATE HOUSES
to D.C. federal aka central control… with the 2 party system + owning the narrative =the tyrannical thugs in all parties locked down control over any power control retained by the states - by ensuring only THOSE who followed the party lines would be allowed to win office…
Lincoln was the first Republican president proving that the republicans
the grand ole party
HAVE NEVER BEEN THE POLITICAL PARTY OF ‘small govt, low taxes, individual rights’ etc… as Lincoln was the one who destroyed the original constitutional arrangement FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMED that constitutional arrangement of u.s.a. into the AMERICAN EMPIRE-
centrally controlled
by a tiny group of thugs in both parties centrally located in the District of Columbia.
from that time in history?
American politics has been all about moving the power from the states to the feds
in every area of life.
THAT is the truth about our history…
All the crap about pretending it was all race based is as big a lie as pretending the ‘Democrats represent the working man.’
Slavery ended here for the same reason it ends everywhere through out all of human history- MECHANIZATION MODERNIZATION the cotton gin freed the slaves
The ability to provide the lifestyle with mechanization without needing human beings to perform those tasks freed the slaves Dr Thomas Sowell the famous American economist wrote at least couple books about the reality of slavery in America - in spite of his unimpeachable facts & brilliance showing up the race baiters & their lies & in spite of him being black- virtually no one knows the truth he wrote down & published 20+ years ago…
The indoctrination is so strong to believe the popular LIES that even when people are told the truth about this or anything else?
THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
Like watching idiots celebrate July 4th a couple months after their 14 year old daughter dies OBVIOUSLY FROM VAERS but requiring anyone attending their Independence Day party to prove they submitted to the Nazi style injection schedules for genetic md experimentation…
People believe what they want to believe for reasons of their own & the self evident facts are just irrelevant to them.
People believe what they want to believe even when faced with a mountain range of evidence proving their beliefs are not only wrong & obvious lies but disabling & deadly.
The German citizens en masse proved this for years during the rise of the third Reich & the Russians during the dekulakization & the Chinese during the Maoist’ great Leap Forward’ etc…
The North American Continent provides no immunity from the human condition & “it” is happening here -
Whether my fellow Americans want to believe it or not.
That "health insurance" thing is a devil's bargain for real though. Until people realize how much of their own autonomy is traded off for the "privilege" of being "treated" by "experts" nothing will change. Now, go get your booster shot like a good patient, and if that doesn't work, get some remdesivir. (Not as new of a scenario as one might think it is.)
The result of de facto segregation of indigenous Americans. This is sadly true of many of their communities. It's simply a fact.
"American Indians and Native Alaskans number 4.5 million. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, these Americans earn a median annual income of $33,627. One in every four (25.3 percent) lives in poverty and nearly a third (29.9 percent) are without health insurance coverage.
To put this in stark terms, counties on Native American reservations are among the poorest in the country and, according to the Economic Research Service at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, nearly 60 percent of all Native Americans who live outside of metropolitan areas inhabit persistently poor counties."
https://opportunitynation.org/latest-news/blog/native-american-poverty/
This is true but have you ever been to a reservation? I visited a few never for more than a day. One was in the middle of the woods, very natural and lovely scenery but no business or industry to sustain life. Completely and totally dependent on tax money, i.e., welfare. The others were not as remote but similar in lack of business initiative.
Why must I as a tax payer support a healthy, able bodied person?
Guilt and welfare are not the problems or the solutions.
I upvoted your first comment because I misunderstood what you were saying.
Yes, in Michigan. Obviously, there are exceptions.
The situation with Native Americans is similar to the situation with other minorities, particularly in urban areas. It's why brilliant thinkers like Thomas Sowell condemned affirmative action and race-based preferences as he recognized that these practices are counter-productive.
They do not promote upward advancement but rather only serve to perpetuate dependence on the government for support. William F. Buckley, Jr. once said, “There is an inverse relationship between reliance on the state and self-reliance.”
Controlling minorities through dependence on the government is an industry just like abortion and the prison system.
The reservation system is slow-motion extinction and a reflection of a centuries-old lack of political will to do one of two things:
1) Make designated Indian territories fully sovereign nations with the powers (and responsibilities) to figure out their own shit.
2) Make those with tribal claims to Indian territories and identity regular American citizens with no positive or negative special status, designate their land privately owned that they can do whatever they want with under law like everyone else, and finally end their status as existing in a limbo-state of half-assimilated descendants of conquered people.
My understanding is that since the reservations operate outside of American jurisdiction on lots of matters, the people suffer under corruption from their leaders.
Sounds like unions.
Yes. While there are certainly good ones, tribal councils have basically no oversight and are the first stop of all cash going into or out of the reservation ecosystem.
Read up on "tribal roll purges" for a typical example of how this corruption usually works.
I understand that reservations are operated by socialism. Socialism breeds poverty. With very few exceptions, no one on a reservation has control over their lives or property.
I have never understood why the US allows other “nations” inside our nation. I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for “native americans” so they could continue living as they had, sort of, before the white men “invaded”. But at some point, isn’t it time for the “native americans” to join the rest of the country? For many reasons, including participation in a prosperous, successful society.
All of us have ancestors from somewhere else, and a lot of us are proud of our cultural heritage and practices. That means my mom and I make kringla at Christmas and our extended family are all nice Norwegian Lutherans who laugh a lot and rarely argue. Doesn’t mean we have to still live on farms in rural Iowa like my great grandparents did in the old days, or even still be Lutheran.
Isn’t it strange how this only applies to white nations.
There can’t be an evil South Africa, or an evil Rhodesia…
There can’t be an america because we’re a mythical “melting pot”.
And this violates the order of “indigenous peoples”…
But there can never be an “Indigenous” wales, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany, Netherlands, etc etc etc… nooooo, those are all cultural melting pots too, full of “diversity”…
But you never see Japan, or China, or Africa, or anywhere else referred to as needing “more diversity”….
You make a valid point. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, humanity's history is about migration and colonialism.
The distinction is that contemporary colonialism is the history of white Europeans conquering indigenous peoples globally. Now that generations have benefited from the fruits of European colonialism, it's fashionable to condemn them as "racist".
When I was a young musician I used to play bass with an African percussionist from Ghana. He used to give demonstrations in African percussion to schools in the Detroit suburbs.
One of his favorite lecture topics was to teach children that slavery wasn't about Europeans stealing Africans from Africa. Rather, that powerful African tribes sold subjugated people to the Europeans and profited from it.
Of course, mouths dropped and teachers went nuts when faced with this basic truth. The same is true about the history of so-called "European colonialism".
It’s blatant anti white racism.
Notice how Europeans take ALL the blame for bringing disease to the new world, but there’s absolute crickets over Arabs bringing the Black Death to European cities…
Hey, you're over-generalizing here, don't you think?
Many, MANY caucasians' ancestors came here as indentured servants, or just plain poor people. Several member of the Irish immigrant family I descend from died of 'black lung' from working in coal mines as indentured servants. They were driven here by the ruin of their original homeland by the English government's abusive policies.
And many of African descent came here after slavery was abolished.
And while people may consider themselves to be indigenous, or descended from African slaves, sometimes they are they are more caucasian than not.
Really tired of the white guilt schtick, here.
The history of genocide against Native Americans is well-documented. However, my comment wasn't coming from the 'white guilt' perspective. See my Thomas Sowell and William F. Buckley, Jr. references. History is replete with tales of subjugation.
Yeah, you're right -- my bad.
At this point I wish my ancestors owned slaves and killed Indians. We don’t have any cool stories.
👍
Very good comment. I agree.
Some native americans (like my ancestors) were all : "fuck you and your 'blood quantum'; 'sovereign nation' reservation = prison. Don't need no invader to tell me where and how to live." They assimilated, but not to the extent of trusting fed gov't.--unlike so many other so-called 'citizens' we have seen these last couple years.
In practical effect, it's no different from what the apartheid government in South Africa did beginning in 1977 when it created 'independent homelands' in areas that were predominantly populated by African tribes. These 'homelands' - Bophuthatswana and Ciskei, for example - were only created to further advance the government's apartheid agenda. Guttermouth's Option 2, is really what should take place.
Spent time in South Africa. The most common phrase I was told, y everyone I met, white, non white, Indian, black… they all said the same thing.
Me- “I love your country, it’s so beautiful.”
Them- “It was better when the whites ran it.”
It's why Ian Smith was praised as a visionary and patriot within five years of Zimbabwean independence and ZANU/Mugabe rule. Rhodesia was what it was but it was also the 'breadbasket of Africa' from the time of its 1965 UDI and even after the creation of Zimbabwe. Smith, et al., warned the world that Mugabe was a Marxist who would destroy the country which is what happened. The same thing is occurring in South Africa.
Exactly.
It’s the magical dirt theory.
There’s no difference between peoples or cultures at all. It’s just that whites live on magical dirt. And this magical dirt creates crime free neighborhoods, innovation, great farmland, and periods of progress and political peace. The problem is, is that whites are the only ones who know where the magical dirt is, and they hoard it for themselves, and if the whites could be removed, then others could also have this magical dirt for themselves.
But then they always get this magical dirt, and discover the hard way, that magical dirt is a fairy tale, and it takes great sacrifice to create magic dirt, and the whole thing collapses under the weight of the lie. But in response, they’re lied to even more, they cling to their magic dirt theory. “Oooh the whites stole the magic dirt when they left Rhodesia. If we could all move to London, that’s the homeland for the magic dirt.” Then London fails.
As our host observes "farming self-harm".
History is never simple, because people are complex. Whatever this historical garbage is must be from a gubmint skool edmencation your were fed.
" I get that in the beginning it was appeasing to carve out reservations for “native americans” so they could continue living as they had, sort of,"
Northern Georgia, "Trail of Tears" 1830's under President Andrew Jackson. Gold discovered in Dahlonga, Ga. 1828 on "Cherokee Land".
Earlier in 1804 Chief Vann was a prosporous Cherokee half breed plantation slaveowner. He had President Madison as an overnight guest in 1819.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/716353884455000252/
President Jackson sent them all packing to Oklahoma, except for a few "Renegades" in the NC mountains.
For some reason I haven't deciphered yet, the Cherokee fought for the Confederacy in GA and OK/AR in the 1860's.
Independence from a distant centralized big govt is likely the reason anyone fought for the confederacy
It’s not true that the civil war was fought to end slavery that is one big lie.
that’s as big a lie as pretending
the only reason to not support Obama was because “...you were a racist who didn’t want to see a black man in the White House”
I’m not a racist but I did not support support Obama because he was & remains an anti American who intentionally implemented policies designed to destroy this country from our national security to our history all of it & this admin has reinstated obamas Destroy America Policy
Fuel prices have “...necessarily sky rocketed” just like obama promised & racial relations have receded back into pre-civil rights era...
The head of the cia was quoted back in 1950something as saying that when every thing that every American believed was not true they (cia) would know they had succeeded in their operation.
I think they succeeded some time ago
Slavery was a prime issue. as a proud Confederate I will admit that from all of the historical evidence. That Lincoln had to provoke a Civil War over Ft. Sumter was a DC Ruse the Secessionists fell right into. That is all water well past the bridge.
Obama the Bolshvik Upsurper is much more relevant along with the DC Deep Statists of repubRats and democRats. Cia, FIB, DOJ, IRS, EPA, ETC have all formed an independent 4th Branch of Feral Gov.
Can anything be done about it? Is The Question.
Lincoln is famous for NOT FREEING NORTHERN SLAVES
For stating that if he could win the war without freeing one southern slave he would do it
THE CIVIL WAR WAS ALL ABOUT DESTROYING CONSTITUTIONAL U.S. “STATE’S RIGHTS” & therefore the u.s. constitutional protections of all of our individual rights died when we became the American Empire.
Ending the constitutional United States of America
‘Fundamentally Transforming’ that system
into the centrally controlled= “American Empire”
Which effectively took each and every state & made ‘em all ‘a little bitch’ of the now giant, all powerful federal govt.
The creation of the 2 party system was also just another way to move power & control
in fact FROM DISPERSED AMONG THE VARIOUS STATE HOUSES
to D.C. federal aka central control… with the 2 party system + owning the narrative =the tyrannical thugs in all parties locked down control over any power control retained by the states - by ensuring only THOSE who followed the party lines would be allowed to win office…
Lincoln was the first Republican president proving that the republicans
the grand ole party
HAVE NEVER BEEN THE POLITICAL PARTY OF ‘small govt, low taxes, individual rights’ etc… as Lincoln was the one who destroyed the original constitutional arrangement FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMED that constitutional arrangement of u.s.a. into the AMERICAN EMPIRE-
centrally controlled
by a tiny group of thugs in both parties centrally located in the District of Columbia.
from that time in history?
American politics has been all about moving the power from the states to the feds
in every area of life.
THAT is the truth about our history…
All the crap about pretending it was all race based is as big a lie as pretending the ‘Democrats represent the working man.’
Slavery ended here for the same reason it ends everywhere through out all of human history- MECHANIZATION MODERNIZATION the cotton gin freed the slaves
The ability to provide the lifestyle with mechanization without needing human beings to perform those tasks freed the slaves Dr Thomas Sowell the famous American economist wrote at least couple books about the reality of slavery in America - in spite of his unimpeachable facts & brilliance showing up the race baiters & their lies & in spite of him being black- virtually no one knows the truth he wrote down & published 20+ years ago…
The indoctrination is so strong to believe the popular LIES that even when people are told the truth about this or anything else?
THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
Like watching idiots celebrate July 4th a couple months after their 14 year old daughter dies OBVIOUSLY FROM VAERS but requiring anyone attending their Independence Day party to prove they submitted to the Nazi style injection schedules for genetic md experimentation…
People believe what they want to believe for reasons of their own & the self evident facts are just irrelevant to them.
People believe what they want to believe even when faced with a mountain range of evidence proving their beliefs are not only wrong & obvious lies but disabling & deadly.
The German citizens en masse proved this for years during the rise of the third Reich & the Russians during the dekulakization & the Chinese during the Maoist’ great Leap Forward’ etc…
The North American Continent provides no immunity from the human condition & “it” is happening here -
Whether my fellow Americans want to believe it or not.
It is happening here. CYA, all the best
https://genearly.substack.com/p/theres-the-newz-then-there-is-the?sd=pf
That "health insurance" thing is a devil's bargain for real though. Until people realize how much of their own autonomy is traded off for the "privilege" of being "treated" by "experts" nothing will change. Now, go get your booster shot like a good patient, and if that doesn't work, get some remdesivir. (Not as new of a scenario as one might think it is.)
Yeah, you just confirmed what OP was saying.