You are wrong about AI excelling at medicine. As an alternative doc - TCM in the main, but some Ayurvedic and other forms as well - conventional medicine misses the boat on both diagnosis and recommended treatments and especially, cures. Conventional medicine is only interested in a diagnosis that can be coupled with a drug. Preferably several. And it has never, since it’s inception, been interested in cures. Rockefeller pointed out that a cured patient doesn’t pay the bills.
AI is good at matching squares and circles into respective square or circular holes. That isn’t medicine. And it will render humans psychologically crazy as well as considerably more ill than if they did nothing. You can’t, effectively, argue with a machine when it’s wrong. True medicine finds the basis for the problem, preferably BEFORE it manifests beyond the pulse profile and into a full disease state. And then balances the unbalanced; and suggests lifestyle changes to improve overall balance; and where disease manifests, to cure it by providing the body with what it needs to function as it was designed to do. True medicine involves compassion and insight into the psyche and the soul and assists where those are unbalanced as well. Drugs don’t do that and never will.
When “alternative medicine” which at one time was how medicine was practiced, was usurped by Rockefeller and his ilk, we were carefully led into the point where we are, now. By allowing ourselves to be glamored by fake science and fancy words and fake research that has been manipulated and massaged into desired outcomes, we have placed ourselves into this time where we are nothing more than a cube or triangle to be fitted with a corresponding genetic manipulation to switch us into anything but good health. Even surgery is becoming robotosized and those outcomes are proving to be worse since the stupid robots can’t react fast enough to handle complications when they arise. Nor are they as accurate as advertised since human parts are just never where they are supposed to be. A human surgeon, with many years of experience still does a better job, from instinct, than a robot can do because…well, humans can access The Force and be guided accordingly.
i disagree with this strongly because i think you are making a large number of unfounded assumptions particularly that AI will think in terms of drugs and not health. it will be very much the opposite. it's humans that think in square and circular holes, not AI, and AI will not have the pharma company bias doctors do.
GPT cured my friend's migraines that had been plaguing her for 15 years. she had been to several top hospitals, TCM, and other modalities. nada. it literally said "go get this test." when it was positive, it just adjusted her diet. "take X sodium in the morning, none after lunch, take X magnesium at night. cured it.
i think you have this the wrong way round. AI is the path back to holistic health and out of the small mind, high bribe pharma fixation.
Did AI cure it or was AI able to quickly find all the research and published information on that situation, and present the best one? That's what it does. And it's good at it. Reasoning and development, not so much.
Then she didn't do her research very well. I have cured my dogs of seizures, gallstones, leaky gut and myself of anemia just from going to a couple of naturopaths and some google searches.
This is great, but what if the research is utterly corrupt? Will AI see through all the data cherrypicking and faultyonpurpose study designs (see Pfizer and Moderna c 2020) that lead to proclamations of "safe and effective!"?
Has the rule of "garbage in, garbage out" magically ceased to function?
I didn't get my research from AI, and sure, it can be corrupt. AI will NOT see through the cherrypicking and faultyonpurpose study designs. It takes the Official Narrative as gold.
So, no, garbage in, garbage out is still very very valid and probably moreso than ever.
Yep, I’m staying optimistic AI can and will be used to fight the healthcare racket. It might be a mix of humans and machines, but as some have said, the system can’t get much worse than it is currently. Healthcare needs this kind of competition.
Ai and heart ablation through robotics is minimally invasive, reducing surgical risks, and is highly effective in treating A-fib which causes strokes. Gone are the days of open heart surgery ablation. This is another way that Ai is aiding in medicine and saving lives. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F7fH2uQ1hi0
I also think the smart devices offer significant information that AI can use in real time as it picks up on heart rate variability, sleep and as humans input their diets and feeding times then that can be used as well. Patterns and logistics can be seen by AI that humans are not able to see. It does offer some advantages
Thank you for eloquently speaking what I was thinking! Even with alt med, you still need to be able to accurately notice the symptoms that help in a diagnosis- if you miss the feel of the skin or the smell of the breath because you didnt know that's a clue, how do you input that info into the AI? Some things aren't quantifiable, and that's going to be a problem for a computer.
Precisely. Not to mention all the other cues one picks up by just listening to a patient’s story, asking a few questions after, and listening some more. I can’t tell you how many times I found the problem embedded in the story that went back many years prior to the outbreak of the diseased state.
A different version of the same principle. I remember being a new Lieutenant in the Army. My Company Commander seemed to have an uncanny sense of the one place in my Platoon that was completely fouled up, even though I had tried to hide it. It was an amazing 6th sense. Five years later I was the Company Commander doing the same exact thing to my Lieutenants. Experienced human intuition is an amazing thing. Your subconscious knows and sees more than you can. The more complex the subject the more intuition plays a part. And medicine is very complex.
Yes. So the AI can do conventional (killer) medicine better than a human? So what. I still don't want it.
Mike Adams is supposedly developing an AI for alternative medicine - which sounds promising. But even then I would regard something like that as simply a launching point.
AI will not be able to feel the pulses or other diagnostic assessments which, when done by a grounded, skilled human who has senses that go beyond what a computer is capable of, can detect many things causing illness in a human. And I am appalled at anyone thinking “alternative medicine” can be programed into a computer. An herbal database is useful but I designed one of those myself decades ago and it was interactive to boot. But diagnosis was on me and it should remain with the human.
Ideally, yes. In the absence of a skilled practitioner, though (which is where I and probably a ton of others live), I'd definitely see what it had to say.
It’s still a fancy database so it can connect herbs and supplements and make some decent connections if a thorough intake has occurred. But human health is quite a bit more than which vitamin, mineral, drug or herb to take and unless it can achieve full consciousness which includes that spiritual aspect (a possibility based on how it’s morphing), it will miss the areas of medicine and Life in general that is not quantifiable more reliant on a database.
You are wrong about AI excelling at medicine. As an alternative doc - TCM in the main, but some Ayurvedic and other forms as well - conventional medicine misses the boat on both diagnosis and recommended treatments and especially, cures. Conventional medicine is only interested in a diagnosis that can be coupled with a drug. Preferably several. And it has never, since it’s inception, been interested in cures. Rockefeller pointed out that a cured patient doesn’t pay the bills.
AI is good at matching squares and circles into respective square or circular holes. That isn’t medicine. And it will render humans psychologically crazy as well as considerably more ill than if they did nothing. You can’t, effectively, argue with a machine when it’s wrong. True medicine finds the basis for the problem, preferably BEFORE it manifests beyond the pulse profile and into a full disease state. And then balances the unbalanced; and suggests lifestyle changes to improve overall balance; and where disease manifests, to cure it by providing the body with what it needs to function as it was designed to do. True medicine involves compassion and insight into the psyche and the soul and assists where those are unbalanced as well. Drugs don’t do that and never will.
When “alternative medicine” which at one time was how medicine was practiced, was usurped by Rockefeller and his ilk, we were carefully led into the point where we are, now. By allowing ourselves to be glamored by fake science and fancy words and fake research that has been manipulated and massaged into desired outcomes, we have placed ourselves into this time where we are nothing more than a cube or triangle to be fitted with a corresponding genetic manipulation to switch us into anything but good health. Even surgery is becoming robotosized and those outcomes are proving to be worse since the stupid robots can’t react fast enough to handle complications when they arise. Nor are they as accurate as advertised since human parts are just never where they are supposed to be. A human surgeon, with many years of experience still does a better job, from instinct, than a robot can do because…well, humans can access The Force and be guided accordingly.
i disagree with this strongly because i think you are making a large number of unfounded assumptions particularly that AI will think in terms of drugs and not health. it will be very much the opposite. it's humans that think in square and circular holes, not AI, and AI will not have the pharma company bias doctors do.
GPT cured my friend's migraines that had been plaguing her for 15 years. she had been to several top hospitals, TCM, and other modalities. nada. it literally said "go get this test." when it was positive, it just adjusted her diet. "take X sodium in the morning, none after lunch, take X magnesium at night. cured it.
i think you have this the wrong way round. AI is the path back to holistic health and out of the small mind, high bribe pharma fixation.
Did AI cure it or was AI able to quickly find all the research and published information on that situation, and present the best one? That's what it does. And it's good at it. Reasoning and development, not so much.
AI did it better than the 15 years worth of other doctors she saw.
Then she didn't do her research very well. I have cured my dogs of seizures, gallstones, leaky gut and myself of anemia just from going to a couple of naturopaths and some google searches.
This is great, but what if the research is utterly corrupt? Will AI see through all the data cherrypicking and faultyonpurpose study designs (see Pfizer and Moderna c 2020) that lead to proclamations of "safe and effective!"?
Has the rule of "garbage in, garbage out" magically ceased to function?
I didn't get my research from AI, and sure, it can be corrupt. AI will NOT see through the cherrypicking and faultyonpurpose study designs. It takes the Official Narrative as gold.
So, no, garbage in, garbage out is still very very valid and probably moreso than ever.
Yep, I’m staying optimistic AI can and will be used to fight the healthcare racket. It might be a mix of humans and machines, but as some have said, the system can’t get much worse than it is currently. Healthcare needs this kind of competition.
Ai and heart ablation through robotics is minimally invasive, reducing surgical risks, and is highly effective in treating A-fib which causes strokes. Gone are the days of open heart surgery ablation. This is another way that Ai is aiding in medicine and saving lives. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F7fH2uQ1hi0
I also think the smart devices offer significant information that AI can use in real time as it picks up on heart rate variability, sleep and as humans input their diets and feeding times then that can be used as well. Patterns and logistics can be seen by AI that humans are not able to see. It does offer some advantages
Hospitals are not using GPT; they are using the proprietary AI embedded in EPIC.
Big difference. GPT will likely not tell you to use remdesivir for COVID in 2025.
Thank you for eloquently speaking what I was thinking! Even with alt med, you still need to be able to accurately notice the symptoms that help in a diagnosis- if you miss the feel of the skin or the smell of the breath because you didnt know that's a clue, how do you input that info into the AI? Some things aren't quantifiable, and that's going to be a problem for a computer.
Precisely. Not to mention all the other cues one picks up by just listening to a patient’s story, asking a few questions after, and listening some more. I can’t tell you how many times I found the problem embedded in the story that went back many years prior to the outbreak of the diseased state.
A different version of the same principle. I remember being a new Lieutenant in the Army. My Company Commander seemed to have an uncanny sense of the one place in my Platoon that was completely fouled up, even though I had tried to hide it. It was an amazing 6th sense. Five years later I was the Company Commander doing the same exact thing to my Lieutenants. Experienced human intuition is an amazing thing. Your subconscious knows and sees more than you can. The more complex the subject the more intuition plays a part. And medicine is very complex.
Excellent example of “the human factor.” 👏🏻
Right .... like my grandmother could "smell" a fever or an ear infection.
But how many doctors now function like that?
Very few
Yes. So the AI can do conventional (killer) medicine better than a human? So what. I still don't want it.
Mike Adams is supposedly developing an AI for alternative medicine - which sounds promising. But even then I would regard something like that as simply a launching point.
AI will not be able to feel the pulses or other diagnostic assessments which, when done by a grounded, skilled human who has senses that go beyond what a computer is capable of, can detect many things causing illness in a human. And I am appalled at anyone thinking “alternative medicine” can be programed into a computer. An herbal database is useful but I designed one of those myself decades ago and it was interactive to boot. But diagnosis was on me and it should remain with the human.
Ideally, yes. In the absence of a skilled practitioner, though (which is where I and probably a ton of others live), I'd definitely see what it had to say.
His AI still has a LOT of problems and errors. I actually received a paragraph of answers in Chinese characters…
Thank you Gato for putting this out there and allowing space for the discussion. The differing answers give me much to contemplate.
Thanks for the update. I was holding off downloading it for bandwidth reasons. Maybe I'll hold a bit longer.
It’s still a fancy database so it can connect herbs and supplements and make some decent connections if a thorough intake has occurred. But human health is quite a bit more than which vitamin, mineral, drug or herb to take and unless it can achieve full consciousness which includes that spiritual aspect (a possibility based on how it’s morphing), it will miss the areas of medicine and Life in general that is not quantifiable more reliant on a database.
Thank you.