the question is whether the omi variant is sufficiently varied on the spike to fully evade vaxx response and allow for training as a separate recognition and response pathway.
i don't think we have that data yet.
regardless, this issue if it exists will be confined to the vaccinated.
man would that be ironic...
(it would also make this the worst medical blunder in human history)
Not sure if you follow @EthicalSkeptic and his theory on the coronavirus originally being released in 2018. I'm curious how the OAS argument would be effected by Omicron not being a variant of what we're told is the Alpha strain from early 2020, as @EthicalSkeptic claims Omicron couldn't have come from what we're told is Alpha in the given time frame. He puts simply, "Omicron and Alpha are cousins - and they share a genetic grandparent who existed before Covid was supposed to exist".
i have been friends with ES for some time and we chat on this quite a bit.
we worked together on the theory that early pac rim resistance was the result of prior exposure to sars-like viruses etc.
we've spoken on this emergence/lab escape issue but i'm not yet convinced. it's hard to use too many historical evo patterns in a situation with a massive exogenous driver like a leaky vaccine.
there's also the compounding issue that it looks like the sarscov-2 progenitor was lab generated and the specific set of bases in it (a quad) were naturally improbable and thus prone to seek to rapidly stabilize toward a different config etc.
and who knows what the role of the degenerate bases in the mRNA vaxxes did in terms of weird evo side chains?
i'm just not well enough versed to pull all this apart and account for all the weird variance here that seem to make historical comparisons to natural event levels fraught.
kevin mckernan, another good pal, is convinced by valentin's argument:
Higher indels (insertions and deletions) is another signature.
The ratio of variants that change amino acids to those that don’t (silent changes in the wobble bases of the codons)….
This ratio is used to define selective pressure.
If it were totally random mutations from the polymerase, you’d expect a ratio of ~1.
When the number of amino acid changing variants is much higher than the silent variants, selection is occurring.
Some selection has been noted in spike prior to the Omicron but it was a 5:1 ratio.
This is over 25:1 with omicron. Someone applied a shitload of selection in a short time frame and erased all the ancestors?
Serial passage under convo-plasma was happening in Durban SA."
i trust and respect both folks, but these analyses seem to hinge on comps to normal evo gradients yet are being applied to a situation dominated by abnormal drivers.
this makes benchmarking difficult and i just do not have the deep grounding here to really sort it out at this point.
serious guys seem to be taking it seriously, so i am also hesitant to dismiss it and it is certainly possible that there was accelerated lab evo that resulted in the end stage vaxx evading virus that would have evolved anyway, but i am just not comfortable making any sort of strong call at this point.
this is too far out of my wheelhouse and well into the realm of seriously specialized gene sceince.
is this an alpha variant that jumped to some other host, perhaps one like a bat or similar that has notably rapid evo due to sloppy immune systems and big colony structure, and then jumped back.
this might explain why we have not seen it for a while and the seeming lack of discernable ancestors. perhaps we're looking for them in the wrong place?
this is just a potential hypothesis, but does seem to have plausible alignment with the data.
I admit a fair amount of the technical aspects of epidemiology is beyond me, but I try to read as much info from various sources to at least have a basic understanding of what's going on. It just seems to me the biggest issue with SARS-CoV-2 has been man's intervention. From the lab creation, to mitigation attempts, to trying to vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic, it seems like man's intervention has just clouded everything instead and made things impossible to predict.
It's the exact thing I'm concerned about with climate change. We have people who don't fully understand how all the drivers of climate change interact and to what degree, and they want to try to "fix" what's a naturally occurring force of nature. I fear a real climate catastrophe if we listen to these "not remotely as smart as they think they are" people.
You should be following Tony Heller. It's worse than your outline. Tony's shown (mostly gov't affiliated) scientists have and are manipulating the data on climate trends to produce signals which don't actually exist. These signals are used as part of the effort to justify control measures. He provides invaluable historical context to media claims of various "unprecedented"-ness and "worst/highest/hottest/driest/most-burned" claims of popular media stories on natural events. In short, it's all almost entirely lies (and the stuff that isn't, is of little residual significance). CO2 is still the target lever promoted for climate change mitigation, but Heller has and continues to show how this supposed correlation doesn't actually exist. Whether it's heat, hurricanes and severe storm events, sea-level rise, droughts, floods, or wildfire prevalence, Heller's show how the "hair on fire" stories don't line up with historical experience. It's a game about economic control.
He's still on YouTube, but cannot post everything he'd like there, due to Susan's edicts on content policy. He's on Rumble, newtube, and the web at realclimatescience.com
Also excellent on this subject is John Robson's Climate Discussion Nexus (CDN).
Oh, and I should also mention, if the CO2 correlation doesn't exist, even success in halting and reversing CO2 rise cannot be expected to produce the reduction in whatever "climate change" is supposed to mean to these people. (it's carefully made nebulous so that victories can be claimed when controls are successfully passed; so calls for more strident controls can be made so long as resistance persists)
So all that's left is to ask yourself what serious reductions in your personal CO2 footprint (to include the CO2 cost of the stuff you buy) would actually mean for your quality of life and cost of living. Life becomes more expensive, and with reduced flourishing, while enhancing gov't control and resources. An outcome Klaus Schwab of course would love!
That you can articulate the point in your own words suggests you're at least probably competent to read and report about the work in this area. In my mind, that qualifies you as a good subject-matter communicator. Great job, I dunno how you keep up and do it, but we're all grateful!! This is the substance of the stuff that's been so sorely lacking from more sanctioned/official channels of discourse.
Oh yes, original antigenic sin. Very interesting point about the omi variant’s sufficient variability—I’m sure you’ll be the first to let us know if and when the data rolls in on that :-)
Irony is the name of the game, indeed. I’ve been arguing all along that it is the injected who are putting the future of humanity at risk, and the purebloods are the only ones standing between the survival of the species and extinction.
Regardless of how this particular variable pans out, I think we can already confidently venture that global mass vaccination of a highly injurious, frequently fatal experimental drug to fend off an imperceptible threat was unquestionably “the worst medical blunder in human history.”
i would urge strenuously against using terms like "purebloods." it's inflammatory language, divisive, and hearkens to a lot of bad history.
one does not reclaim the world from propogandists by aping their tactics to engage in counter propaganda.
we do it by getting back to truth and away from vilification and division. those who fell for this dirty trick, and there we many, need to be not just free but encouraged to see what happened and to switch sides.
A touchy subject indeed. I am vaxxed. I turned it down three times when it was offered by various employers. I was dead set against it. Still am. I am likely to lose my jobs over mask mandates and become unemployable which will likely lead to being forced to return to the US from Japan for the first time to live in more than 20 years, leaving my family behind. Yet I got this cursed shot. If I did not, then my child would be denied school if I have any covid like symptoms. I always have covid like symptoms due to allergies. So he would be denied an education unless I got the shot. So I did. I pray that if it is to do me in, that it does so before they try to give in to my son. You folks who have stayed resolute ARE the pure bloods. We, the vaxxed, spread this virus more than you. We are less likely to fend off later mutations of the virus than you are. We have turned ourselves into superspreaders of the disease and very well may have exerted enough evolutionary pressure to keep this nonsense going much longer than it otherwise would and creating a bigger mess for you to clean up afterwards. It very well may be the case that the existence of us, the vaxxed, threaten your very existence. The time for hurt feelings is past. If any of my fellow vaxxed complain, tell =us all to go pack sand. Call as you see it. Just my 2 cents worth, for what they are worth.
That said, you are the author and have many concerns to worry about. I respect your call.
it's not my intention to make this call for anyone apart from myself.
but this is not about hurt feelings so much as effective communication and coalition building to get out of this mess while also promoting what was one referred to as "common decency."
a phrase like "pure bloods" is needlessly inflammatory, others those who got vaxxed, and has an inherent "i am better than you" slant.
a lot of people got lied to about these drugs and went along to get along etc.
many are now waking up to the scam and seeing the inefficacy and the fact that this will never end and that that was always the plan.
these people can be allies as we resist further authoritarian encroachment or we can alienate them by erecting imperious names for our tribe that belittle them.
speaking truths about "this did not work. it made it worse. you are likely more threat to the unvaxxed then they are to you" is all well and good. but erecting some "pureblood" edifice that cannot be joined and echoes all manner of nasty historical pretexts for genocide and systemic discrimination is not helpful.
is that who we want to be?
i sure don't.
restoring sanity means getting the center back on side. this takes truth and it takes inclusion.
the enemy are not those that fell for this. it's those who played the trick.
True. All true. However, those of us who vaxxed regardless of how or why, our fates are sealed. We need to prevent the unvaxxed from getting vaxxed. At all costs.
Now, there may be a better way than the terms used but reason is not going to get it done. People are panicked and thus can not be reasoned with. I hope I am wrong, but it seems that the only way is through a fear that is greater than what they now have. It’s like we are try to stop a stampeded of buffalo from running off a cliff.
Wow, TS, that is a poignant and powerful message. Thank you for weighing in with your unique perspective. I am so deeply sorry you were coerced into getting jabbed and hope you can take precautions to mitigate the potential effects. Here are some recs that may help:
Thank you, but you don’t understand. IF something is to happen because of the shot, I want it to happen as soon. I see no other way to keep my son safe from getting the shot. His is 8 and everyone around my is vaxx crazy. I do not want him to get this shot.
TS, I think I follow you, although I don’t want anything to happen to you :-( You are right to do everything in your power to save your son from this. Is home-schooling an option? Medical exemption? Religious exemption? I think the narrative is crumbling quickly, and we just need to hold the line for a few more months …
I will admit I prickled at the sound of that term when I first heard it and hesitated to use it for the reasons you mentioned, but then I thought embracing it would emphasize the fact that the vaxxed’s blood is tainted and perhaps give them pause. I agree with your arguments, though, and I’ll revert to abstaining from its use.
That said, others have rightly pointed out that “unvaxxed” is not accurate, either, as it implies the vaccination has been “undone” rather than “not done.” They have chosen to use terms such as “non-vaxxed,” which I find rather inelegant.
I had previously coined the terms “GMO humans” vs. “non-GMO humans.” Not sure what you think about that approach, but it taps into people’s discomfort with GMO foods and serves as a reminder (or informer for most) that the vaxxed have been genetically modified.
I’m all for free people against authoritarians and definitely feel that is the heart of the matter.
"That said, others have rightly pointed out that “unvaxxed” is not accurate, either, as it implies the vaccination has been “undone” rather than “not done.”"
i find this framing odd and probably specious.
why would one say that?
"uncircumcised" does not imply "once circumcised and later had foreskin restored."
unrepentant does not imply repentant but no longer so.
i see no real basis for that interpretation. what un based construction works that way?
that feels like overwrought semantic tail chasing to me.
is literally anyone making a presumption that one can de-vaccinate?
the fun part about "unvaccinated" as our inclusive term is that if they keep moving the goalposts on what "fully vaccinated" means, more and more people will keep finding themselves in our group.
this is a jarring, awakening experience.
for so many here on PR, a demand for a third shot is the bridge too far that jolts them to understanding the situation.
get this and it will work and you get your life back.
then it doesn't and you don't.
now take more or you'll be "unvaxxed."
it breaks credulity.
i like the inclusiveness of them being forced into this label (even if it lacks precision).
A huge part of our problem right now is that the vaxxed don't want to admit they've been conned - they are in the denial about it - and therefore they are doubling down on coercion so that everyone else can make the same mistake and they can feel better about themselves.
That is a great point. Yes, not just with the shot, but with masks and wiping and all of it. They have no problem spreading their pain and suffering to others, pressuring them to make the same damned fool decision we did. Why should you care about how we feel? The goal is to protect those who have yet to get the shot. We who have, forget about us. There is nothing you can do for us.
Stigmatization may have happened already, biologically and indelibly. Should the poison death shot (TM@Dr. Zelenko) change human DNA into trans-human, there will be no reversion. You will have humanity (from God) facing transhumanity (from ???). There is no excaping the issue.
Radiation (not necessarily from God) also can change dna. Does that make people whose dna was changed (say, for example, in a way that caused cancer) to be "transhuman?"
I hear you, Mary, and I definitely get that. It is challenging to try and get people to open their eyes without engaging their defenses, particularly when it comes to the diehard believers …
I"ve succeeded exactly once: with a nurse who is s neighbor. We were having a slightly testy conversation that ranged across the surface. I didn't have hard pcr data at that moment, only could say 40 cycles sounded awfully high to me, so *let* her "win" on her (incorrect) claim that pcr+ meant infectious. She followed up with her "lifetime experience in public health." To which I replied "Then perhaps you could answer a question for me."
Leading her to think I was ready to convert enabled her to drop her defenses. I knew the answer to my question. I also knew the answer would be kneejerk from decades of living it.
"Would that cloth mask of yours protect against measles?"
Long pause...whispers "No."
"Would that cloth mask protect against tb? "No."
"For the record, I've checked the dimensions. The tb mycobacteria is ~500x the size of the sarscov virus. 500x the size.". We parted still friendly. She had been shocked back to consciousness.
I saw her a couple months later. We had a brief convo re: vax side effects. It quickly became clear her critical thinking had stayed awake. She paled at the mention of side effects. I let her know the results of the Salk Inst research, that the spike caused the disease. She picked up on the timing of that announcement -- a month or so before the big push to vax. Asked for repeat of date & location with intent to read it.
Wish I could wake up more, but it's really, really hard to maintain sufficient self-control to not come across as nutcase. It was easier when I knew less, lol.
I’ve never read the Harry Potter series myself, so I didn’t know the context when I first heard it, either. Learning that softened the meaning for me, but I realize there are plenty of people like us, and you’re absolutely right about its potential for weaponization by the *actual* eugenicists 🤦♀️
I’m so glad you like non-GMO–human and plan to use it. I’m rather fond of it and agree it should short-circuit the Whole Foods Market crowd ;-)
this is the OAS argument i have been making.
the question is whether the omi variant is sufficiently varied on the spike to fully evade vaxx response and allow for training as a separate recognition and response pathway.
i don't think we have that data yet.
regardless, this issue if it exists will be confined to the vaccinated.
man would that be ironic...
(it would also make this the worst medical blunder in human history)
Not sure if you follow @EthicalSkeptic and his theory on the coronavirus originally being released in 2018. I'm curious how the OAS argument would be effected by Omicron not being a variant of what we're told is the Alpha strain from early 2020, as @EthicalSkeptic claims Omicron couldn't have come from what we're told is Alpha in the given time frame. He puts simply, "Omicron and Alpha are cousins - and they share a genetic grandparent who existed before Covid was supposed to exist".
i have been friends with ES for some time and we chat on this quite a bit.
we worked together on the theory that early pac rim resistance was the result of prior exposure to sars-like viruses etc.
we've spoken on this emergence/lab escape issue but i'm not yet convinced. it's hard to use too many historical evo patterns in a situation with a massive exogenous driver like a leaky vaccine.
there's also the compounding issue that it looks like the sarscov-2 progenitor was lab generated and the specific set of bases in it (a quad) were naturally improbable and thus prone to seek to rapidly stabilize toward a different config etc.
and who knows what the role of the degenerate bases in the mRNA vaxxes did in terms of weird evo side chains?
i'm just not well enough versed to pull all this apart and account for all the weird variance here that seem to make historical comparisons to natural event levels fraught.
kevin mckernan, another good pal, is convinced by valentin's argument:
https://twitter.com/VBruttel/status/1466919567565934596?s=20
from kev:
"The selection is too high (Ka/Ks).
This is the ratio of Nonsynon/Synon mutations.
Higher indels (insertions and deletions) is another signature.
The ratio of variants that change amino acids to those that don’t (silent changes in the wobble bases of the codons)….
This ratio is used to define selective pressure.
If it were totally random mutations from the polymerase, you’d expect a ratio of ~1.
When the number of amino acid changing variants is much higher than the silent variants, selection is occurring.
Some selection has been noted in spike prior to the Omicron but it was a 5:1 ratio.
This is over 25:1 with omicron. Someone applied a shitload of selection in a short time frame and erased all the ancestors?
Serial passage under convo-plasma was happening in Durban SA."
i trust and respect both folks, but these analyses seem to hinge on comps to normal evo gradients yet are being applied to a situation dominated by abnormal drivers.
this makes benchmarking difficult and i just do not have the deep grounding here to really sort it out at this point.
serious guys seem to be taking it seriously, so i am also hesitant to dismiss it and it is certainly possible that there was accelerated lab evo that resulted in the end stage vaxx evading virus that would have evolved anyway, but i am just not comfortable making any sort of strong call at this point.
this is too far out of my wheelhouse and well into the realm of seriously specialized gene sceince.
second possible consideration:
could this have been animal host mediated?
is this an alpha variant that jumped to some other host, perhaps one like a bat or similar that has notably rapid evo due to sloppy immune systems and big colony structure, and then jumped back.
this might explain why we have not seen it for a while and the seeming lack of discernable ancestors. perhaps we're looking for them in the wrong place?
this is just a potential hypothesis, but does seem to have plausible alignment with the data.
I admit a fair amount of the technical aspects of epidemiology is beyond me, but I try to read as much info from various sources to at least have a basic understanding of what's going on. It just seems to me the biggest issue with SARS-CoV-2 has been man's intervention. From the lab creation, to mitigation attempts, to trying to vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic, it seems like man's intervention has just clouded everything instead and made things impossible to predict.
It's the exact thing I'm concerned about with climate change. We have people who don't fully understand how all the drivers of climate change interact and to what degree, and they want to try to "fix" what's a naturally occurring force of nature. I fear a real climate catastrophe if we listen to these "not remotely as smart as they think they are" people.
You should be following Tony Heller. It's worse than your outline. Tony's shown (mostly gov't affiliated) scientists have and are manipulating the data on climate trends to produce signals which don't actually exist. These signals are used as part of the effort to justify control measures. He provides invaluable historical context to media claims of various "unprecedented"-ness and "worst/highest/hottest/driest/most-burned" claims of popular media stories on natural events. In short, it's all almost entirely lies (and the stuff that isn't, is of little residual significance). CO2 is still the target lever promoted for climate change mitigation, but Heller has and continues to show how this supposed correlation doesn't actually exist. Whether it's heat, hurricanes and severe storm events, sea-level rise, droughts, floods, or wildfire prevalence, Heller's show how the "hair on fire" stories don't line up with historical experience. It's a game about economic control.
He's still on YouTube, but cannot post everything he'd like there, due to Susan's edicts on content policy. He's on Rumble, newtube, and the web at realclimatescience.com
Also excellent on this subject is John Robson's Climate Discussion Nexus (CDN).
https://www.youtube.com/c/CDN_ClimateDN
Case in point, Tony's latest on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmgVOoz-nJw
Oh, and I should also mention, if the CO2 correlation doesn't exist, even success in halting and reversing CO2 rise cannot be expected to produce the reduction in whatever "climate change" is supposed to mean to these people. (it's carefully made nebulous so that victories can be claimed when controls are successfully passed; so calls for more strident controls can be made so long as resistance persists)
So all that's left is to ask yourself what serious reductions in your personal CO2 footprint (to include the CO2 cost of the stuff you buy) would actually mean for your quality of life and cost of living. Life becomes more expensive, and with reduced flourishing, while enhancing gov't control and resources. An outcome Klaus Schwab of course would love!
That you can articulate the point in your own words suggests you're at least probably competent to read and report about the work in this area. In my mind, that qualifies you as a good subject-matter communicator. Great job, I dunno how you keep up and do it, but we're all grateful!! This is the substance of the stuff that's been so sorely lacking from more sanctioned/official channels of discourse.
You’re such a smartycat, el gato 😺
Was just going to direct him there....thanks for beating me to it!
oh yes, it already is.
I have been reading Dr Vanden Bossche (he is now on Substack as well)
He does not see an end to this circus of variants due to the blunder of vaccinations
https://voiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/
OMG, I didn't know Geert was on Substack! Thanks for the pointer!
Oh yes, original antigenic sin. Very interesting point about the omi variant’s sufficient variability—I’m sure you’ll be the first to let us know if and when the data rolls in on that :-)
Irony is the name of the game, indeed. I’ve been arguing all along that it is the injected who are putting the future of humanity at risk, and the purebloods are the only ones standing between the survival of the species and extinction.
Regardless of how this particular variable pans out, I think we can already confidently venture that global mass vaccination of a highly injurious, frequently fatal experimental drug to fend off an imperceptible threat was unquestionably “the worst medical blunder in human history.”
i would urge strenuously against using terms like "purebloods." it's inflammatory language, divisive, and hearkens to a lot of bad history.
one does not reclaim the world from propogandists by aping their tactics to engage in counter propaganda.
we do it by getting back to truth and away from vilification and division. those who fell for this dirty trick, and there we many, need to be not just free but encouraged to see what happened and to switch sides.
this is not unvaxxed against vaxxed.
it's free people against authoritarians.
let's not lose sight of that.
Thank you! We need to strongly discourage this "pure/impure" framing if we want to claim the moral high ground.
A touchy subject indeed. I am vaxxed. I turned it down three times when it was offered by various employers. I was dead set against it. Still am. I am likely to lose my jobs over mask mandates and become unemployable which will likely lead to being forced to return to the US from Japan for the first time to live in more than 20 years, leaving my family behind. Yet I got this cursed shot. If I did not, then my child would be denied school if I have any covid like symptoms. I always have covid like symptoms due to allergies. So he would be denied an education unless I got the shot. So I did. I pray that if it is to do me in, that it does so before they try to give in to my son. You folks who have stayed resolute ARE the pure bloods. We, the vaxxed, spread this virus more than you. We are less likely to fend off later mutations of the virus than you are. We have turned ourselves into superspreaders of the disease and very well may have exerted enough evolutionary pressure to keep this nonsense going much longer than it otherwise would and creating a bigger mess for you to clean up afterwards. It very well may be the case that the existence of us, the vaxxed, threaten your very existence. The time for hurt feelings is past. If any of my fellow vaxxed complain, tell =us all to go pack sand. Call as you see it. Just my 2 cents worth, for what they are worth.
That said, you are the author and have many concerns to worry about. I respect your call.
it's not my intention to make this call for anyone apart from myself.
but this is not about hurt feelings so much as effective communication and coalition building to get out of this mess while also promoting what was one referred to as "common decency."
a phrase like "pure bloods" is needlessly inflammatory, others those who got vaxxed, and has an inherent "i am better than you" slant.
a lot of people got lied to about these drugs and went along to get along etc.
many are now waking up to the scam and seeing the inefficacy and the fact that this will never end and that that was always the plan.
these people can be allies as we resist further authoritarian encroachment or we can alienate them by erecting imperious names for our tribe that belittle them.
speaking truths about "this did not work. it made it worse. you are likely more threat to the unvaxxed then they are to you" is all well and good. but erecting some "pureblood" edifice that cannot be joined and echoes all manner of nasty historical pretexts for genocide and systemic discrimination is not helpful.
is that who we want to be?
i sure don't.
restoring sanity means getting the center back on side. this takes truth and it takes inclusion.
the enemy are not those that fell for this. it's those who played the trick.
True. All true. However, those of us who vaxxed regardless of how or why, our fates are sealed. We need to prevent the unvaxxed from getting vaxxed. At all costs.
Now, there may be a better way than the terms used but reason is not going to get it done. People are panicked and thus can not be reasoned with. I hope I am wrong, but it seems that the only way is through a fear that is greater than what they now have. It’s like we are try to stop a stampeded of buffalo from running off a cliff.
Amen all the way, and I think that is a wise and compassionate strategy 🙌
Wow, TS, that is a poignant and powerful message. Thank you for weighing in with your unique perspective. I am so deeply sorry you were coerced into getting jabbed and hope you can take precautions to mitigate the potential effects. Here are some recs that may help:
• pine needle tea
• citrus
• peppermint
• More tips: https://t.me/concernedlawyersnetwork/1744
I applaud you for your humility, awareness, and bravery in speaking up on behalf of the vilified unvaxxed/non-vaxxed/non-GMO humans :-)
Thank you, but you don’t understand. IF something is to happen because of the shot, I want it to happen as soon. I see no other way to keep my son safe from getting the shot. His is 8 and everyone around my is vaxx crazy. I do not want him to get this shot.
TS, I think I follow you, although I don’t want anything to happen to you :-( You are right to do everything in your power to save your son from this. Is home-schooling an option? Medical exemption? Religious exemption? I think the narrative is crumbling quickly, and we just need to hold the line for a few more months …
Very sorry for your predicament (textbook coercion). Sometimes there is little choice.
Thank you. But you see, there was a choice. I hope to save my son from this and the choice I made, I believe, was the one to make for that goal.
I will admit I prickled at the sound of that term when I first heard it and hesitated to use it for the reasons you mentioned, but then I thought embracing it would emphasize the fact that the vaxxed’s blood is tainted and perhaps give them pause. I agree with your arguments, though, and I’ll revert to abstaining from its use.
That said, others have rightly pointed out that “unvaxxed” is not accurate, either, as it implies the vaccination has been “undone” rather than “not done.” They have chosen to use terms such as “non-vaxxed,” which I find rather inelegant.
I had previously coined the terms “GMO humans” vs. “non-GMO humans.” Not sure what you think about that approach, but it taps into people’s discomfort with GMO foods and serves as a reminder (or informer for most) that the vaxxed have been genetically modified.
I’m all for free people against authoritarians and definitely feel that is the heart of the matter.
"That said, others have rightly pointed out that “unvaxxed” is not accurate, either, as it implies the vaccination has been “undone” rather than “not done.”"
i find this framing odd and probably specious.
why would one say that?
"uncircumcised" does not imply "once circumcised and later had foreskin restored."
unrepentant does not imply repentant but no longer so.
i see no real basis for that interpretation. what un based construction works that way?
One of my commenters (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-colluder-stop-enabling/comments#comment-3175739) wrote a *lengthy* cease-and-desist document (http://werex.org/cease-and-desist-notice-of-libel/) related to this topic, but the gist is:
“People are either *vaccinated* or they are *not-vaccinated*, and once vaccinated, in practice, they cannot be *unvaccinated*.”
Semantics, I know, but I see his point, particularly given the power of language to shape perception.
that feels like overwrought semantic tail chasing to me.
is literally anyone making a presumption that one can de-vaccinate?
the fun part about "unvaccinated" as our inclusive term is that if they keep moving the goalposts on what "fully vaccinated" means, more and more people will keep finding themselves in our group.
this is a jarring, awakening experience.
for so many here on PR, a demand for a third shot is the bridge too far that jolts them to understanding the situation.
get this and it will work and you get your life back.
then it doesn't and you don't.
now take more or you'll be "unvaxxed."
it breaks credulity.
i like the inclusiveness of them being forced into this label (even if it lacks precision).
I think gato is saying it's important not to stigmitize the vaxxed in any way, period.
As painful as it is to accept you've been conned, its that much harder when those who saw through the con mock you or treat you as "other " or stupid.
Given that the vaxxed could be looking at lifelong consequences for their stepping into the trap, approach with compassion.
They are victims, not the perps. There but for the grace of God....
A huge part of our problem right now is that the vaxxed don't want to admit they've been conned - they are in the denial about it - and therefore they are doubling down on coercion so that everyone else can make the same mistake and they can feel better about themselves.
That is a great point. Yes, not just with the shot, but with masks and wiping and all of it. They have no problem spreading their pain and suffering to others, pressuring them to make the same damned fool decision we did. Why should you care about how we feel? The goal is to protect those who have yet to get the shot. We who have, forget about us. There is nothing you can do for us.
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Stigmatization may have happened already, biologically and indelibly. Should the poison death shot (TM@Dr. Zelenko) change human DNA into trans-human, there will be no reversion. You will have humanity (from God) facing transhumanity (from ???). There is no excaping the issue.
Radiation (not necessarily from God) also can change dna. Does that make people whose dna was changed (say, for example, in a way that caused cancer) to be "transhuman?"
I hear you, Mary, and I definitely get that. It is challenging to try and get people to open their eyes without engaging their defenses, particularly when it comes to the diehard believers …
It takes turning off the defenses.
I"ve succeeded exactly once: with a nurse who is s neighbor. We were having a slightly testy conversation that ranged across the surface. I didn't have hard pcr data at that moment, only could say 40 cycles sounded awfully high to me, so *let* her "win" on her (incorrect) claim that pcr+ meant infectious. She followed up with her "lifetime experience in public health." To which I replied "Then perhaps you could answer a question for me."
Leading her to think I was ready to convert enabled her to drop her defenses. I knew the answer to my question. I also knew the answer would be kneejerk from decades of living it.
"Would that cloth mask of yours protect against measles?"
Long pause...whispers "No."
"Would that cloth mask protect against tb? "No."
"For the record, I've checked the dimensions. The tb mycobacteria is ~500x the size of the sarscov virus. 500x the size.". We parted still friendly. She had been shocked back to consciousness.
I saw her a couple months later. We had a brief convo re: vax side effects. It quickly became clear her critical thinking had stayed awake. She paled at the mention of side effects. I let her know the results of the Salk Inst research, that the spike caused the disease. She picked up on the timing of that announcement -- a month or so before the big push to vax. Asked for repeat of date & location with intent to read it.
Wish I could wake up more, but it's really, really hard to maintain sufficient self-control to not come across as nutcase. It was easier when I knew less, lol.
Even patience should be expended on those we love.
I've been hearing Australian resisters calling the unvaxxed "good hearts". I think it's cute.
“Good hearts”—that is adorable! 😍
I’ve never read the Harry Potter series myself, so I didn’t know the context when I first heard it, either. Learning that softened the meaning for me, but I realize there are plenty of people like us, and you’re absolutely right about its potential for weaponization by the *actual* eugenicists 🤦♀️
I’m so glad you like non-GMO–human and plan to use it. I’m rather fond of it and agree it should short-circuit the Whole Foods Market crowd ;-)
covid was intentional... also apparently bill gates has a new genetically modified mosquitos testing in USA...
Ah, what a good vector mosquitos are....bats and birds eat them! Yay.
I feel so bad for these GMO mosquitos, they are slaves too. They must revolt.
That’s what Vanden Bossche predicts witj Omicron. ADE from OAS in the vaxxed.
This potential blunder has been my greatest fear.