You're opening salvo of "are you seriously unaware" was quite condescending Snowy, so I felt a retaliatory insult was in order. If you meant not to be condescending, I will withdraw the "keep up" retort.
That said, I moved no goalposts, I clicked on your suggested search and EVERY result on page 1 was about desegregation, i.e., forced busing. So no, the goal post was exactly where you set it, though it seems that was not your intent.
Now, with all that on the table, do you think that students should not have the ability to go to a school that other than the one predetermined by some school district map drawn up by a state bureaucrat? Busing may not be simple or convenient, but it's sure better than moving, especially if you make the logical assumption that the move will be to a more expensive area.
To my way of thinking, not only will the students be better off, but society as a whole will benefit as well. How many intelligent children get left behind because they can't get a decent primary education? That hurts all of us, not just those kids.
I find your way of thinking a little naive and subject to the kind of "well intended" policy that led us to vaccine and mask mandates and the vilification of those that resist things done for the "greater good."
Parents in any neighborhood will have the same amount of money to send their kids anywhere they want to spend that money. If their child can't meet the academic standards of that school or is a fucking monster, that school shouldn't be forced to take them. The market will ultimately supply forms of education to meet every need. Some will be more expensive than others based on demand.
Fix your neighborhood and your family, and you won't have to go running to neighborhoods that aren't on fire and demanding a share of their resources on moral principle.
Well GM, perhaps that's another advantage. If a kid is a monster, what options do their current schools have? Suspend them for a couple of days? Ideally, the way this would work is that all schools would function like private schools. Like you say, function like a true market. The parents would be given a certain amount of money, but the schools wouldn't be forced to take the kid just because he can fog up a mirror. And they could throw the kid out, force the parents to find another school willing to take them. The problem with your final statement is that fixing the family doesn't help if the kid has to go to a shit school because of his ZIP code.
With vouchers kids wouldn't "have" to go anywhere. With simply not taxing people whatsoever for education and letting them decide purely for themselves, that becomes even truer.
Maybe someone wants to spend their money on that long bus ride. I knew kids that took 2 hour rides to go to Bronx Science because it was worth it to them.
Agreed. I went to a Catholic high school in the 70's with a number of kids who took 45 minute train rides that dumped them a mile from the school, rather than go to their local school. They were obviously pretty well to do, but the voucher system would alleviate some of the economic disparity.
Are you old enough to remember the 21 Jumpstreet episode about this, with the school riot? "Don't Stretch the Rainbow"?
That show doesn't get enough credit. It was often corny but surprisingly insightful about real shit that was actually happening.
Fresh Prince and Degrassi High.
You're opening salvo of "are you seriously unaware" was quite condescending Snowy, so I felt a retaliatory insult was in order. If you meant not to be condescending, I will withdraw the "keep up" retort.
That said, I moved no goalposts, I clicked on your suggested search and EVERY result on page 1 was about desegregation, i.e., forced busing. So no, the goal post was exactly where you set it, though it seems that was not your intent.
Now, with all that on the table, do you think that students should not have the ability to go to a school that other than the one predetermined by some school district map drawn up by a state bureaucrat? Busing may not be simple or convenient, but it's sure better than moving, especially if you make the logical assumption that the move will be to a more expensive area.
To my way of thinking, not only will the students be better off, but society as a whole will benefit as well. How many intelligent children get left behind because they can't get a decent primary education? That hurts all of us, not just those kids.
I find your way of thinking a little naive and subject to the kind of "well intended" policy that led us to vaccine and mask mandates and the vilification of those that resist things done for the "greater good."
Parents in any neighborhood will have the same amount of money to send their kids anywhere they want to spend that money. If their child can't meet the academic standards of that school or is a fucking monster, that school shouldn't be forced to take them. The market will ultimately supply forms of education to meet every need. Some will be more expensive than others based on demand.
Fix your neighborhood and your family, and you won't have to go running to neighborhoods that aren't on fire and demanding a share of their resources on moral principle.
Well GM, perhaps that's another advantage. If a kid is a monster, what options do their current schools have? Suspend them for a couple of days? Ideally, the way this would work is that all schools would function like private schools. Like you say, function like a true market. The parents would be given a certain amount of money, but the schools wouldn't be forced to take the kid just because he can fog up a mirror. And they could throw the kid out, force the parents to find another school willing to take them. The problem with your final statement is that fixing the family doesn't help if the kid has to go to a shit school because of his ZIP code.
With vouchers kids wouldn't "have" to go anywhere. With simply not taxing people whatsoever for education and letting them decide purely for themselves, that becomes even truer.
Maybe someone wants to spend their money on that long bus ride. I knew kids that took 2 hour rides to go to Bronx Science because it was worth it to them.
Agreed. I went to a Catholic high school in the 70's with a number of kids who took 45 minute train rides that dumped them a mile from the school, rather than go to their local school. They were obviously pretty well to do, but the voucher system would alleviate some of the economic disparity.