Wonderful, clear writing here gato. Personally, I'm always amazed at the concept that secular humanists or other atheists should somehow AUTOMATICALLY be pro-abortion. I don't want to go on a long screed, but that makes zero sense. As a humanist who is open-eyed about the natural behavior of mankind, I am very much pro-life for the unborn. I know full well how easy it is for the powerful to disdain and destroy the powerless. Secular humanists should be ALL ABOUT trying to stop that abuse.
Our present law's denial of rights to the fetus is very much like antebellum slavery law's denial of rights to the slave. Then, only the slaveowner's wishes mattered. Now, it's only the mother's.
Unless I missed something, slaves had actual separate bodies that were outside the slaver-owners bodies. That you omitted this rather large difference suggests you were intentionally trying to be misleading.
Awesome, and true no matter where one lands on abortion a an issue:
"I know full well how easy it is for the powerful to disdain and destroy the powerless. Secular humanists should be ALL ABOUT trying to stop that abuse."
If anything, the stance of the vulgar and thoughtless humanists (in name at least) of today only fuels the argument that (some) humans need a divine consciousness surveiling and judging their actions in order to act or indeed ieven have morals at all.
Personally, I quit the humanist society of Sweden decades ago precicely because they had developed into an order of set ideas, ideals and morals on all issues - a dogmatic cult:
Atheism, check. Pro-abortion as a right, check. Anti-capital punishment and prisons, check. Anti private gun ownership, check. Pro high taxes corporate society, check. And so on.
Where did the "human" part of "humanist" go? All that's left is the "-ist".
(Felt pressing "heart" wasn't enough for such a good point you make!)
First, I found this in-depth study to be really interesting and enightening regarding the ACTUAL statistical FACTS involved in banning abortions (in short - number of abortions stays the same regardless of whether they're legal or not, no fetuses are "saved" through a ban, all that the ban does is push abortions underground, kills more women, hurt living children & destroy countless families with several other horrific consequences for society that are elaborated on in the investigation).
Second - i learned on this link (and the studies leading out from it) that suicide is the leading cause of death for new mothers in America, with no paid parental leave, no maternal health care, no child care.
Out of 193 countries on this planet, the only ones who do not provide paid parental leave to their citiziens are Papua New Guinea, Surinam, Lesotho and USA!! All becasue cruel evil anti-life republican capitalist billonaire psychopaths, in their war against families mothers and babies, have brainwashed americans to view this as "evil socialism".
Once you're an ex-fetus these evil monsters lose all interest in you (that is, until you reach military age, then they want to use you for their plunder invasions)
They only time america is 'pro-life' is when it's time to strip women of their bodily sovereignty and force them to give birth AGAINST THEIR WISH. The rest of the time the spit on you and the baby they forced you bring into the world, the rest of the time they are MURDERING BABIES by the millions across the planet in their imperialist wars for resource plunder, for enforcing their global hegemony and for terrorizing and forcing countries to privatize their economy - industry, services, and resources - into the private hamds of american companies (but the babies americans are murdering in tbe process are not christian, so its no biggie)
Wonderful, clear writing here gato. Personally, I'm always amazed at the concept that secular humanists or other atheists should somehow AUTOMATICALLY be pro-abortion. I don't want to go on a long screed, but that makes zero sense. As a humanist who is open-eyed about the natural behavior of mankind, I am very much pro-life for the unborn. I know full well how easy it is for the powerful to disdain and destroy the powerless. Secular humanists should be ALL ABOUT trying to stop that abuse.
Our present law's denial of rights to the fetus is very much like antebellum slavery law's denial of rights to the slave. Then, only the slaveowner's wishes mattered. Now, it's only the mother's.
Unless I missed something, slaves had actual separate bodies that were outside the slaver-owners bodies. That you omitted this rather large difference suggests you were intentionally trying to be misleading.
Excellent point. They were considered property.
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Awesome, and true no matter where one lands on abortion a an issue:
"I know full well how easy it is for the powerful to disdain and destroy the powerless. Secular humanists should be ALL ABOUT trying to stop that abuse."
If anything, the stance of the vulgar and thoughtless humanists (in name at least) of today only fuels the argument that (some) humans need a divine consciousness surveiling and judging their actions in order to act or indeed ieven have morals at all.
Personally, I quit the humanist society of Sweden decades ago precicely because they had developed into an order of set ideas, ideals and morals on all issues - a dogmatic cult:
Atheism, check. Pro-abortion as a right, check. Anti-capital punishment and prisons, check. Anti private gun ownership, check. Pro high taxes corporate society, check. And so on.
Where did the "human" part of "humanist" go? All that's left is the "-ist".
(Felt pressing "heart" wasn't enough for such a good point you make!)
Two things -
First, I found this in-depth study to be really interesting and enightening regarding the ACTUAL statistical FACTS involved in banning abortions (in short - number of abortions stays the same regardless of whether they're legal or not, no fetuses are "saved" through a ban, all that the ban does is push abortions underground, kills more women, hurt living children & destroy countless families with several other horrific consequences for society that are elaborated on in the investigation).
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/banning-abortions-will-not-stop-abortions
Second - i learned on this link (and the studies leading out from it) that suicide is the leading cause of death for new mothers in America, with no paid parental leave, no maternal health care, no child care.
Out of 193 countries on this planet, the only ones who do not provide paid parental leave to their citiziens are Papua New Guinea, Surinam, Lesotho and USA!! All becasue cruel evil anti-life republican capitalist billonaire psychopaths, in their war against families mothers and babies, have brainwashed americans to view this as "evil socialism".
Once you're an ex-fetus these evil monsters lose all interest in you (that is, until you reach military age, then they want to use you for their plunder invasions)
They only time america is 'pro-life' is when it's time to strip women of their bodily sovereignty and force them to give birth AGAINST THEIR WISH. The rest of the time the spit on you and the baby they forced you bring into the world, the rest of the time they are MURDERING BABIES by the millions across the planet in their imperialist wars for resource plunder, for enforcing their global hegemony and for terrorizing and forcing countries to privatize their economy - industry, services, and resources - into the private hamds of american companies (but the babies americans are murdering in tbe process are not christian, so its no biggie)
https://www.kindredmedia.org/2022/05/allomothers-we-were-never-meant-to-mother-alone/