The timing is interesting, isn't it? The final decision would have been / will be released soon in any event. This decision was certainly going to effect November elections. Does the early release make a difference? Will passions abate somewhat by then, or will this mean more time to build war chests?
I don't see much movement on midterm votes due to this decision. People are still livid about how team blue handled coof, and that includes parents pissed about closed schools, kid vax/mask mandates and now CRT, alphabet Mafia teachers, etc. These former dem voters are not extreme single-issue voters seeking limitless abortion into during actual childbirth. Priorities have changed this past two years, this extremist reaction merely appeals to the extremist 30% (max) that resides in a constant lather.
I am a longtime moderate Democrat who voted a straight Republican ticket for the first time in the November 2021 elections in VA, for all the reasons you mention. I am strongly pro-choice but will probably still vote Republican this coming November, consistent with your argument above.
However, this Supreme Court decision following on all of the covid mandates is giving me a lot of food for thought. And I'm wondering if I might end up aligning with more of a libertarian viewpoint in the future (the political and philosophical perspective, not necessarily the US political party).
I never thought of myself as a libertarian in the past, but I have also never seen such serious threats to liberty in this country as I've seen in the past few years (not to mention other western countries, especially Canada).
The level of threat we've seen in the past two years to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to operate one's business, and freedom of medical and bodily autonomy is IMO unprecedented in my lifetime. I find it terrifying, and in my opinion this threat transcends normal political divisions.
As I've expressed here, in my mind the right to abortion (esp in the 1st trimester) falls firmly within the bounds of bodily and medical autonomy, so it is disconserting to see so many here who I thought supported those principles abandon them when it comes to abortion.
The early release provides the Left with an opportunity to bully some Justices into changing their minds. If that doesn't work, it provides more fundraising and organizing opportunities. And as I posited elsewhere in thread, we will likely have a summer far worse than that of 2020.
I can’t link it but a DW article by John Rigolizzo entitled “Democrats say overturning Roe v Wade won’t help them in the midterms” on May 4th is one I just re-found discussing it.
Personally, I’m not sure. In 2018 I think it would have. However, the left’s treatment of living children from Covid and in public schools, and the growing awareness that it simply returns the subject back to the states, makes me think that might be true. Swing voters, which are parents and middle class workers these days, aren’t dying to codify 3rd trimester abortion in federal law. At the state level, it will motivate pro-life to the same extent as pro-choice.
Yep, I just posted basically this sentiment. Those I talk with online don't see abortion as a priority anymore, Dems gave them much bigger fish to fry the past two years.
First, I found this in-depth study to be really interesting and enightening regarding the ACTUAL statistical FACTS involved in banning abortions (in short - number of abortions stays the same regardless of whether they're legal or not, no fetuses are "saved" through a ban, all that the ban does is push abortions underground, kills more women, hurt living children & destroy countless families with several other horrific consequences for society that are elaborated on in the investigation).
Second - i learned on this link (and the studies leading out from it) that suicide is the leading cause of death for new mothers in America, a country with with no paid parental leave, no maternal health care, no child care.
The only countries on this planet who do not provide paid parental leave to their citiziens are Papua New Guinea, Surinam, Lesotho and USA!! All becasue cruel evil anti-life republican capitalist billonaire psychopaths, in their war against families mothers and babies, have brainwashed americans to view this as "evil socialism".
Once you're an ex-fetus these evil monsters lose all interest in you (that is, until you reach military age, then they want to use you for their plunder wars)
They only time america is 'pro-life' is when it's time to strip women of their bodily sovereignty and forcing them to give birth against their wish. The rest of the time the spit on you and the baby they forced you bring into the world and they are MURDERING BABIES by the millions across the planet for resource plunder, to enforce their global hegemony and to terrorize and force countries into privatizing their economy - industry, services, and resources into the private hamds of american companies (but the babies americans are murdering across the planet are not christian, so it's no biggie)
I completely agree it was leaked now to rally the support of those on their side.
According to The Hill, Dems have already raised $12M since the leak:
https://thehill.com/campaign-issues/3477032-democrats-raise-12-million-after-supreme-court-leak-of-draft-abortion-opinion/
They should send it to Ukraine to protect democracy.
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The timing is interesting, isn't it? The final decision would have been / will be released soon in any event. This decision was certainly going to effect November elections. Does the early release make a difference? Will passions abate somewhat by then, or will this mean more time to build war chests?
If nothing else, it signals that the left will break any rule in order to get what they want.
I don't see much movement on midterm votes due to this decision. People are still livid about how team blue handled coof, and that includes parents pissed about closed schools, kid vax/mask mandates and now CRT, alphabet Mafia teachers, etc. These former dem voters are not extreme single-issue voters seeking limitless abortion into during actual childbirth. Priorities have changed this past two years, this extremist reaction merely appeals to the extremist 30% (max) that resides in a constant lather.
I am a longtime moderate Democrat who voted a straight Republican ticket for the first time in the November 2021 elections in VA, for all the reasons you mention. I am strongly pro-choice but will probably still vote Republican this coming November, consistent with your argument above.
However, this Supreme Court decision following on all of the covid mandates is giving me a lot of food for thought. And I'm wondering if I might end up aligning with more of a libertarian viewpoint in the future (the political and philosophical perspective, not necessarily the US political party).
I never thought of myself as a libertarian in the past, but I have also never seen such serious threats to liberty in this country as I've seen in the past few years (not to mention other western countries, especially Canada).
The level of threat we've seen in the past two years to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to operate one's business, and freedom of medical and bodily autonomy is IMO unprecedented in my lifetime. I find it terrifying, and in my opinion this threat transcends normal political divisions.
As I've expressed here, in my mind the right to abortion (esp in the 1st trimester) falls firmly within the bounds of bodily and medical autonomy, so it is disconserting to see so many here who I thought supported those principles abandon them when it comes to abortion.
Good points! I just hate how that 30% or less manage to suck all the oxygen out of a room most of the time...
The early release provides the Left with an opportunity to bully some Justices into changing their minds. If that doesn't work, it provides more fundraising and organizing opportunities. And as I posited elsewhere in thread, we will likely have a summer far worse than that of 2020.
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I have thought the same and it seems to me to be more advantageous to the right than the left for early release. But who knows?!
better a weekday than a Friday afternoon!
LOL $12million. Peanuts.
😹 Yup. We are so used to talking billions and trillions these days!
The Hill didn’t put it in context, they’ve barely seen an increase in fundraising....
That is good news, but definitely not what the article and included links indicate. Do you have a url you can share?
I can’t link it but a DW article by John Rigolizzo entitled “Democrats say overturning Roe v Wade won’t help them in the midterms” on May 4th is one I just re-found discussing it.
Personally, I’m not sure. In 2018 I think it would have. However, the left’s treatment of living children from Covid and in public schools, and the growing awareness that it simply returns the subject back to the states, makes me think that might be true. Swing voters, which are parents and middle class workers these days, aren’t dying to codify 3rd trimester abortion in federal law. At the state level, it will motivate pro-life to the same extent as pro-choice.
Yep, I just posted basically this sentiment. Those I talk with online don't see abortion as a priority anymore, Dems gave them much bigger fish to fry the past two years.
Thanks for the article referral!
Two things -
First, I found this in-depth study to be really interesting and enightening regarding the ACTUAL statistical FACTS involved in banning abortions (in short - number of abortions stays the same regardless of whether they're legal or not, no fetuses are "saved" through a ban, all that the ban does is push abortions underground, kills more women, hurt living children & destroy countless families with several other horrific consequences for society that are elaborated on in the investigation).
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/banning-abortions-will-not-stop-abortions
Second - i learned on this link (and the studies leading out from it) that suicide is the leading cause of death for new mothers in America, a country with with no paid parental leave, no maternal health care, no child care.
The only countries on this planet who do not provide paid parental leave to their citiziens are Papua New Guinea, Surinam, Lesotho and USA!! All becasue cruel evil anti-life republican capitalist billonaire psychopaths, in their war against families mothers and babies, have brainwashed americans to view this as "evil socialism".
Once you're an ex-fetus these evil monsters lose all interest in you (that is, until you reach military age, then they want to use you for their plunder wars)
They only time america is 'pro-life' is when it's time to strip women of their bodily sovereignty and forcing them to give birth against their wish. The rest of the time the spit on you and the baby they forced you bring into the world and they are MURDERING BABIES by the millions across the planet for resource plunder, to enforce their global hegemony and to terrorize and force countries into privatizing their economy - industry, services, and resources into the private hamds of american companies (but the babies americans are murdering across the planet are not christian, so it's no biggie)
https://www.kindredmedia.org/2022/05/allomothers-we-were-never-meant-to-mother-alone/