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Linda Hagge's avatar

We can never have a constructive conversation until we realize that the two sides have completely different underlying assumptions about how the world works. Until we address those underlying assumptions we will always just be shouting unconvincing things at each other.

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If we were to have an honest, sincere conversation, I think we'd find some common ground. At least with respect to law. I am not saying it would be an easy conversation. Not necessarily converge, but we might better understand each other.

But that conversation is not allowed. And I have come to realize that the current "crisis" over RvW is another purely fabricated crisis and the goal is deepening divides, to ignite hatred and fear, all with the purpose of "saving" the mid-term elections for the "blue wave" that seems so unlikely in the face of real economic hardship brought directly by the absurd energy and transportation policy changes, the logical consequences of COVID extremes, and the radical expansion of federal spending that is devaluing the currency. Much like the picture in 2019, the current conditions are causing even the faithful to question their loyalty to The Party, especially those who still value self sufficiency (which is a lot).

Abortion is a divisive, emotional topic. A perfect distraction. A perfect "game changer". Pay no attention to the man behind the current. Focus on the flames.

I realized that this "leak" is not random nor is the timing. The powder has been packed over the last year or two and this "leak" is the igniter setting off an explosion of division and hate. The NY legislature passing a law that seems (and is characterized by "their" media as such) to support post-term abortion (after birth). Predictably the reaction is polarizing and sometimes extreme. The powder is packed, RvW is the igniter and the "leak" closes the circuit. How dare TRUMP's court overrule the foundation of women's rights!

Non of this is about the decision itself. I wish folks (all of y'all) would read RBG's analysis and comments on RvW. While not my favorite justice of all time, in this analysis she raises a lot of interesting points and her conclusions are it is a bad decision, weak legally and not protective of women's rights.

For that matter I'd like folks to read the leaked document and Robert's statements. His explanation makes far more sense given his record. I doubt the court would have taken up a direct challenge to RvW under Roberts (who has always found a way to avoid that). Not until now, when they may be forced. While justice Thomas says he can not be intimidated or bullied, I am not so confident this is true of the court as a whole (or of Thomas when the safety of his family is threatened for real).

It is all about November, kids.

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