Precisely. I am not naive about human nature. I have five children, 2 of them currently young men in their 20s. I'm also in the middle of a Bible study which reminds me almost daily that there is "nothing new under the sun" and sexual temptation and the consequences of it have always been and will remain with us. I'm asking for a little self-control exercised judiciously. It seems, you Allie, are suggesting that humans can't possibly display this sort of control.
It's fine for you to live as you wish. It is not fine for you to think you have the right to impose your life style and religious beliefs on the rest of the country.
It's amazing to me that so many commenters here are, rightfully, appalled at vaccine mandates, but have no qualms about imposing very similiar mandates when it comes to abortion.
"Keep Your Laws Off My Body" should apply in both situations.
So we've reached the point where even suggesting the exercise of self-control is now "imposing lifestyle and religious beliefs on the rest of the country." As such, we are likely at an impasse. I could engage with the rest of your comment, but I am certain you will not concede that an additional, separate, distinct, individual is present in the abortion equation.
Two things are becoming apparent to me in this dialogue:
1) Some people on this blog seem to have a not-so-hidden agenda of controlling other people's sex lives. Again, pretty shocking to me that people on this blog would so oppose vaccine mandates (rightfully) due to a support for medical freedom, but want to control the sex lives of consenting adults.
2) The same people have no problem imposing their religious belief on others. Because the belief that abortion causes harm IS a religious belief.
My religious belief, on the other hand, is that if God wants a human soul to be born on the earth, He will make that happen. I don't think the soul enters the body until a later stage of fetal development. If a fetus is aborted, the soul that is due to be born will simply be born in another fetus to another mother. I think it is huge hubris to think that humans can prevent the birth of a human soul that God intends to be born and have a life on earth.
Now I completely admit that there is no way to prove that this religious belief of mine is correct. But neither can the opponents of abortion - who presumably believe that abortion interferes with God's plan for that human soul - prove that their belief is correct.
So, as a country that is committed to preserving religious freedoom, to me the obvious course is for us all to act in accordance with our own personal, unprovable religious beliefs. If you believe abortion causes harm and violates God's will, don't have one. But don't try to use governmental force and the threat of imprisonment to impose your religious beliefs on others.
I don't have the energy to engage in such facile, strawmen arguments. If you can't see the willful dismemberment of tiny humans as an act of murder, then that's on you. If your so-called religion wants to make a guess about when a soul is infused into a human body rather than invoking the precautionary principle, have at it. I will only say that I have no desire whatsoever to control a person's sex life. I only want to make sure that any humans created as a result of the sexual act aren't intentionally murdered.
It's interesting how anti-abortion advocates so strenously strain the English language to avoid saying the word "fetus." So now fetuses are "tiny humans." Lol. And using the word "murder" over and over does not make it so - it just makes you sound unhinged.
It actually reminds me a lot of trans activists, ironically enough. Both of you torture language and completely ignore human biology in order to push an ideological agenda.
And yes, I have a different religious belief about when the soul enters the body. You want to use state-imposed violence to force YOUR religious belief about this onto me. Yeah, no.
Precisely. I am not naive about human nature. I have five children, 2 of them currently young men in their 20s. I'm also in the middle of a Bible study which reminds me almost daily that there is "nothing new under the sun" and sexual temptation and the consequences of it have always been and will remain with us. I'm asking for a little self-control exercised judiciously. It seems, you Allie, are suggesting that humans can't possibly display this sort of control.
It's fine for you to live as you wish. It is not fine for you to think you have the right to impose your life style and religious beliefs on the rest of the country.
It's amazing to me that so many commenters here are, rightfully, appalled at vaccine mandates, but have no qualms about imposing very similiar mandates when it comes to abortion.
"Keep Your Laws Off My Body" should apply in both situations.
So we've reached the point where even suggesting the exercise of self-control is now "imposing lifestyle and religious beliefs on the rest of the country." As such, we are likely at an impasse. I could engage with the rest of your comment, but I am certain you will not concede that an additional, separate, distinct, individual is present in the abortion equation.
Two things are becoming apparent to me in this dialogue:
1) Some people on this blog seem to have a not-so-hidden agenda of controlling other people's sex lives. Again, pretty shocking to me that people on this blog would so oppose vaccine mandates (rightfully) due to a support for medical freedom, but want to control the sex lives of consenting adults.
2) The same people have no problem imposing their religious belief on others. Because the belief that abortion causes harm IS a religious belief.
My religious belief, on the other hand, is that if God wants a human soul to be born on the earth, He will make that happen. I don't think the soul enters the body until a later stage of fetal development. If a fetus is aborted, the soul that is due to be born will simply be born in another fetus to another mother. I think it is huge hubris to think that humans can prevent the birth of a human soul that God intends to be born and have a life on earth.
Now I completely admit that there is no way to prove that this religious belief of mine is correct. But neither can the opponents of abortion - who presumably believe that abortion interferes with God's plan for that human soul - prove that their belief is correct.
So, as a country that is committed to preserving religious freedoom, to me the obvious course is for us all to act in accordance with our own personal, unprovable religious beliefs. If you believe abortion causes harm and violates God's will, don't have one. But don't try to use governmental force and the threat of imprisonment to impose your religious beliefs on others.
I don't have the energy to engage in such facile, strawmen arguments. If you can't see the willful dismemberment of tiny humans as an act of murder, then that's on you. If your so-called religion wants to make a guess about when a soul is infused into a human body rather than invoking the precautionary principle, have at it. I will only say that I have no desire whatsoever to control a person's sex life. I only want to make sure that any humans created as a result of the sexual act aren't intentionally murdered.
It's interesting how anti-abortion advocates so strenously strain the English language to avoid saying the word "fetus." So now fetuses are "tiny humans." Lol. And using the word "murder" over and over does not make it so - it just makes you sound unhinged.
It actually reminds me a lot of trans activists, ironically enough. Both of you torture language and completely ignore human biology in order to push an ideological agenda.
And yes, I have a different religious belief about when the soul enters the body. You want to use state-imposed violence to force YOUR religious belief about this onto me. Yeah, no.