I've long observed that the lefties such as Lemon, Reid, etc. are pretty much all characterized by a non-existent sense of humor. Angry, vicious, hateful, never anything to laugh at. Can't even identify when someone is joking. They lack a humor gene??
It's tragic comedy at this point. It reminds me of when the late-Alan Colmes was Hannity's liberal punching bag back in the '00s. Hannity is not blessed with a 'steel trap' intellect to begin with. Hannity, as the neocon cheerleader as he is now, always seemed to get the better of Colmes who was objectively smarter. Like Don Lemon (or Geraldo Rivera who serves a similar purpose), I always suspected it was set-up. However, I will concede that Lemon and Rivera are that stupid. Parenthetically, I know Hannity's dying to don a Zelensky (yy)(ii)(iy) fatigue t-shirt and to pull out his Ukraine flag but he knows Tucker will beat him down. At least Tucker figured out that this is one of those times when both sides may be bad guys.
Could append something to "Bitter Little Yellow Fruit" for his description to connote stupid and dishonest, but it would start to feel longish and unwieldy.
Lemon's got the Left and Right bowers (blackish and homosexual). Noah's only got the Left bower.
As a brown[ish] heterosexual myself, I can tell you that Karen-from-HR is far more predisposed towards homosexuals than she is towards coloured folk... and as COVID showed us, Karen-from-HR now runs the world (in the sense that she determines which proles remain employed: she doesn't determine policy).
Karen-from-HR is the archetype of the C-student who is absolutely certain that the thing about which she is currently infatuated, is the Most Important Thing Ever. As such (her logic proceeds) dissent is not only evidence of non-conformity, it is evidence of Sin and muct be crushed.
I can't wait until we all get the broadcast email from HR letting us know that our lives would be changed if we read "The Secret" and bought a couple of Dream-Catchers.
We are living in a very clownish time, and have given the reins to some very stupid people.
We've still got pagan priests demanding human sacrifices and rain dances. The only difference is they prefer starvation and bureaucracy to stone knives and altars.
Mine is sixteen, an athlete in great shape, and quite intelligent (takes after his mother).
In other words, perfect cannon fodder for the warmongering vermin that rule us.
Like my parents and I decided shortly after the ignoble end of the Vietnam War, we have decided that our son will not be enslaved to go fight for the empire half a world away.
Well, the term "draft dodger" itself implies a certain judgment of cowardice, where "conscientious objector" would be more neutral. Allowing oneself to be used as cannon fodder does not strike me as bravery.
Purnados are graded by the Furj-ita scale. Geometric algorithm.
F1- is that??? Kinda rumbling, you can feel it but not hear it.
F2- there is vibration and audible disturbance.
F3- heavy lateral rib movement, the issuing Cat storm may or may not cease movement, but the eye of the storm looks bleary
F4- the purnado has clearly settled in, the storm kneads to flex ts claws.( making.biscuits...go figure)
F5- the most devastating if the Fur-jita scale involves a rumbling that puts a diesel engine to shame,and may necessitate a rag due to the maw of the storm producing excess moisture. Sometimes called 'drooling' .
A bit off-topic but Dr. Vinay Prasad MD, MPH has coined a put-down phrase in a video exploring the continuing wearing of masks. Covidaholics almost relish "Long Covid". They are suffering from "Long Pandemic".
I did my thesis on health impacts from extreme weather events in The Western Pacific, specifically Solomon Islands. I pulled the meteorological data and found no evidence of increased frequency or strength in the region. But what I did find was increased risk due to coastal and riverine development, population density and location of health critical infrastructure.
When I talk about that work I try not to link it to climate change, although others do. But extreme weather events do happen and they happen in predictable patterns due to atmospheric and ocean currents (as the wise cat said) and they do cause health impacts and destroy property.
The ocean and atmospheric patterns in the western Pacific places Vanuatu’s islands at highest risk for cyclonic activity, with some direct and indirect impact on Solomon Islands chain. Pinpointing the storm vulnerable areas and adjusting where and how buildings are constructed will reduce risk. That is not climate change, it’s garden variety risk reduction. So instead of insisting that people reduce their carbon footprint perhaps it would be wiser to invest in infrastructure that stands up to cyclones (hurricanes), king tides and tsunamis.
we went to Cozumel years ago, stayed in a fortress of a hotel - all concrete blocks, walkways, walls, ceiling - like giant concrete blocks stacked on top of each other. We asked about it & they said they get washed away frequently by hurricanes, but the building remains. they come in, clean it out, paint, add new cheap furniture & they're back in business in days, ready for the next group of tourists.
Remember all the censorship, conflicts of interest, and indoctrination around "the science" with COVID? Now just take that and multiply it by 10. That's climate change.
I will lend an ear to these people the moment they can accurately predict the weather for the next 3 days. I was closer at predicting the route of the hurricane then they were
Many, many years ago I compared the Old Farmer's almanac (written well in advance) to the local prognosticators' weekly predictions over the course of several months.
Hazard a guess as to which was more accurate?
I reckon modern forecasting has gotten a bit better, so now tempted to have my teenagers do the same thing for 2023.
Seconded! If I had a dollar (well, ten crowns) for every time the computer's various weather apps and national weather services have shown something else than what's outside the window, I could buy a brand-spanking new Range Rover.
My weather app always shows exactly what’s happening outside at that very moment, regardless of what they were predicting ten minutes before. They’re very flexible that way!
When my husband was in college in the early 80’s, one of his classes took a tour of the local National Weather Service facility. The guide showed off all the fancy state-of-the-art computers and forecasting tools they had at their disposal. But the grand finale of the tour was what they regarded as their most importing prognosticating tool: the giant window facing north! 😂🤣
LOL that says it all. As for a forecast, I watch my dog and cats and listen to the birds. On a grey rainy morning with brighter weather in the forecast, cats and dog stay in and wait it out. If they all run into the rain, forget it. If the morning is bright but no birds are singing, either there is an owl in the yard, or the weather won't hold. A finger I hurt years ago still nags when it is going to be foggy. And I always take an umbrella and rain coat in my car. Better safe than sorry! Thanks for the laugh!
Well look no further than Ian. People were literally in a mad dash to head south from Tampa to the Ft. Myers area - literally 12 hours before landfall. That didn't turn out well.
If everyone who lived on the coast of Southwest Florida would've just retreated 15-20 miles inland then virtually nobody would've died.
A while ago dad told me that I think in Hungary a national holiday with lots of show off was postponed because the weathermen predicted storm and rain. The whole day was a blast of sunshine. All the weathermen were fired on the spot!
Every time they get it too much wrong, they lose 10% off of next paycheck. 10% cumulative, so if they get it wrong ten times in one month they don't get paid.
I mean, when I worked in storehouse for cheese (which put me off cheese for years - got the whole back end of the bus to myself though...) ages ago, if I had sent out a fully laden truck where the contents or the delivery list was wrong 1/10 only, they'd sent me to the doctor or fired me.
Heh, maybe El Gato could have a poll: which jobs do you get to keep even if you get it wrong?
Spot on mr. Cat. I detected an uptick of increased intensity in the histrionics of the NHC over a decade ago. There are some extremely self-important cubicle dwellers there.
Nice gato. Tony Heller, who is miraculously still on YT exposes these fraudsters every day. He just dropped one on Hurricane Andrew's damage in 1992. Less flooding more wind damage. Why is that? advancements in weather modification maybe to maximize flooding at the nation's largest fertilizer manufacturer Mosaic? Nah, it's probably nothing.
Writers like the cat, Chudov, Berenson, Malone ARE the journalists now. Mostly citizen journalists. Journalism as it was once thought to be, a counter-balance to the state, a speaker of truth to power at least now and then - that's left its old homes in newsprint and mainstream television. It's done from a sense of principle, rather than for wages.
This is a prime example of the alarmist junk churned out by the media every time a severe weather event happens.
"I assumed that intensifying, in-your-face climate disasters would serve as a sort of backstop to finally force action.
To understand what an emergency we are now in, the scale and variety of the climate damage we’ve already incurred, you only need to look at a few of the most recent disasters. Hurricane Ian has just pummeled Cuba and Florida. The full extent of the disaster will only be revealed in the coming days and weeks, although first looks are shocking. But we do know with certainty that Ian was supercharged by global heating through several well-understood fundamental physics pathways."
'Fundamental fizzics' PROVES that we are in a climate emergency, according to this hyperventilating climate activist. Unbelievable how factually challenged and scientifically ignorant these people are. Of course, what he SHOULD have said is this:
"I assumed that intensifying, in-your-face hysterical climate activists would serve as a sort of backstop to finally force action."
My family still doesn’t believe me when I tell them google is baked. I finally said let’s do an experiment. Pick any political topic (abortion let’s say) and search it. How many pages in do you have to go to find a single article that deviates from the previous ones. They just stare at me. Viewpoint diversity is a crucial element of society. We’ve become intellectually bankrupt and nobody seems to notice or care.
I saw something the other day as well that was unusual on google and most of the other search engines. The internet is disappearing; at least that was the claim.
If you search something political, you get 4,555,000,000 results.
But the results start repeating.
Then...... when you go ten or twenty pages into the results, suddenly the results just stop, and you get a message like "results are similar so we've excluded them." Even if you click "show me the results," you still end up hitting a wall.
So either there are not the number of results that they show you, or they're deliberately excluding results.
The only engine I tried that did not do that was yandex, a russian search engine.
Part of that is because for most topics there are only a few articles with original content, and then hundreds and thousands of articles, blog posts, tweets, etc., that quote the original ones. If you click through to the listings on the first 10-20 pages you'll see what I mean.
For most political topics, recency is the top criteria -- nobody who searches "Roe v. Wade overturned" cares what, say, Anita Bryant thought about it in 1978, so the search engines prioritize what somebody said yesterday or last week, and then all the other search results are pundits and activists and journalists (but I repeat myself) endlessly quoting and rehashing those 2-3 most recent things.
Ole' Ba'al gets an undeserved bad rep due to the christians picking up the ancient jews old feud with, well pretty much everyone else and their goat for having their own gods.
Sure, he ruled the storm but he was also a fertility god and we all know how stormy passions go together with fertility, eh?
Most people do not realize how some computer programmer schmuck dutifully creates a graph where the variables or constants can be set (invisibly) to make it look better or worse. I was one of those programmers (but not about climate change or Covid death projections).
Sadly, Climate Change has been taught as fact in our public schools for a couple of decades and the younger generation has been successfully indoctrinated.
Don Lemon is an idiot, so there is that.
We'd better wait to see what Joy Reid says then.
Reid is objectively smarter than Lemon but dogmatically stupid in the Dietrich Bonhoeffer sense of the word. Lemon is just stupid.
Maybe Gato can make a fancy chart on the "Increasing Intensity of Stupid" on cable news. 🤔
what a dream of an idea! How to quantify stupid? and classification?
There are so many different kinds of stupid coming at us.
One marker of stupidity is lack of humor. One needs to be smart to be funny, and Mr. Gato is a purrfect example.
I've long observed that the lefties such as Lemon, Reid, etc. are pretty much all characterized by a non-existent sense of humor. Angry, vicious, hateful, never anything to laugh at. Can't even identify when someone is joking. They lack a humor gene??
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I think he should go with the simple truth, "The Increasing Intensity of Stupid." Period, end of sentence.
That Bonhoeffer related insult is hella underrated.
lmao
Slavery lead to hurricanes because too much cotton was planted.
Racist hurricanes.
And why they mostly originate near Africa and end up in the South!
Payback!
Hurricanes as Karma? Interesting postulate.
LOL!
He’s making a career out of getting totally pwnd on national tv. It’s refreshing.
It's tragic comedy at this point. It reminds me of when the late-Alan Colmes was Hannity's liberal punching bag back in the '00s. Hannity is not blessed with a 'steel trap' intellect to begin with. Hannity, as the neocon cheerleader as he is now, always seemed to get the better of Colmes who was objectively smarter. Like Don Lemon (or Geraldo Rivera who serves a similar purpose), I always suspected it was set-up. However, I will concede that Lemon and Rivera are that stupid. Parenthetically, I know Hannity's dying to don a Zelensky (yy)(ii)(iy) fatigue t-shirt and to pull out his Ukraine flag but he knows Tucker will beat him down. At least Tucker figured out that this is one of those times when both sides may be bad guys.
Drunk Don Lemon on the CNN New Years Eve special. He is one of the few people that make more sense when they are wrecked.
Listen, he grew up in Florida. That proves it.
Could append something to "Bitter Little Yellow Fruit" for his description to connote stupid and dishonest, but it would start to feel longish and unwieldy.
His soulmate Trevor Noah just got booted off of the Daily Show because of plummeting ratings. Why is LeMon still on the air?
Lemon's got the Left and Right bowers (blackish and homosexual). Noah's only got the Left bower.
As a brown[ish] heterosexual myself, I can tell you that Karen-from-HR is far more predisposed towards homosexuals than she is towards coloured folk... and as COVID showed us, Karen-from-HR now runs the world (in the sense that she determines which proles remain employed: she doesn't determine policy).
Karen-from-HR is the archetype of the C-student who is absolutely certain that the thing about which she is currently infatuated, is the Most Important Thing Ever. As such (her logic proceeds) dissent is not only evidence of non-conformity, it is evidence of Sin and muct be crushed.
I can't wait until we all get the broadcast email from HR letting us know that our lives would be changed if we read "The Secret" and bought a couple of Dream-Catchers.
We are living in a very clownish time, and have given the reins to some very stupid people.
If he was heterosexual or white he would have been cancelled four years ago, for Spacey-level shenanigans with people who would really rather not.
Is he the one who asked an expert whether a missing plane went into a black hole or something???
did he?
That was him.
😳
We've still got pagan priests demanding human sacrifices and rain dances. The only difference is they prefer starvation and bureaucracy to stone knives and altars.
Bring back war to stop global climate change!
Literally what the western elites are doing
I know. It worries me that my boy could get drafted at some point.
And he's only 11!
Mine is sixteen, an athlete in great shape, and quite intelligent (takes after his mother).
In other words, perfect cannon fodder for the warmongering vermin that rule us.
Like my parents and I decided shortly after the ignoble end of the Vietnam War, we have decided that our son will not be enslaved to go fight for the empire half a world away.
I never thought I or mine would be a draft dodger, but I'm not going to have my boy participate in unjust conflicts.
Well, the term "draft dodger" itself implies a certain judgment of cowardice, where "conscientious objector" would be more neutral. Allowing oneself to be used as cannon fodder does not strike me as bravery.
Silly human...this is obviously a Class 3 Purricane...
Very nice I&K!
At least it wasn't as devastating as a Purnado (though the land shark will likely be fodder for much humor).
Purnados are graded by the Furj-ita scale. Geometric algorithm.
F1- is that??? Kinda rumbling, you can feel it but not hear it.
F2- there is vibration and audible disturbance.
F3- heavy lateral rib movement, the issuing Cat storm may or may not cease movement, but the eye of the storm looks bleary
F4- the purnado has clearly settled in, the storm kneads to flex ts claws.( making.biscuits...go figure)
F5- the most devastating if the Fur-jita scale involves a rumbling that puts a diesel engine to shame,and may necessitate a rag due to the maw of the storm producing excess moisture. Sometimes called 'drooling' .
OMG!
It was purrhaps a cruel thing to talk about in genteel society... it's why I did it here instead 😂🤣
I'm good for it once in a while 😂🤣
I was going to call it a Furricane, especially the 3 'fur' picture.
Also a good choice
Beat me too it 😹
🤣
Technically you should call it a “Cat 3 Purricane”
Yes! I knew that sounded off in my head!
A bit off-topic but Dr. Vinay Prasad MD, MPH has coined a put-down phrase in a video exploring the continuing wearing of masks. Covidaholics almost relish "Long Covid". They are suffering from "Long Pandemic".
I wish I had thought of that...
He's been growing( in audienceand sense) ... I'm glad more are listening to him
I did my thesis on health impacts from extreme weather events in The Western Pacific, specifically Solomon Islands. I pulled the meteorological data and found no evidence of increased frequency or strength in the region. But what I did find was increased risk due to coastal and riverine development, population density and location of health critical infrastructure.
When I talk about that work I try not to link it to climate change, although others do. But extreme weather events do happen and they happen in predictable patterns due to atmospheric and ocean currents (as the wise cat said) and they do cause health impacts and destroy property.
The ocean and atmospheric patterns in the western Pacific places Vanuatu’s islands at highest risk for cyclonic activity, with some direct and indirect impact on Solomon Islands chain. Pinpointing the storm vulnerable areas and adjusting where and how buildings are constructed will reduce risk. That is not climate change, it’s garden variety risk reduction. So instead of insisting that people reduce their carbon footprint perhaps it would be wiser to invest in infrastructure that stands up to cyclones (hurricanes), king tides and tsunamis.
we went to Cozumel years ago, stayed in a fortress of a hotel - all concrete blocks, walkways, walls, ceiling - like giant concrete blocks stacked on top of each other. We asked about it & they said they get washed away frequently by hurricanes, but the building remains. they come in, clean it out, paint, add new cheap furniture & they're back in business in days, ready for the next group of tourists.
Remember all the censorship, conflicts of interest, and indoctrination around "the science" with COVID? Now just take that and multiply it by 10. That's climate change.
I will lend an ear to these people the moment they can accurately predict the weather for the next 3 days. I was closer at predicting the route of the hurricane then they were
Many, many years ago I compared the Old Farmer's almanac (written well in advance) to the local prognosticators' weekly predictions over the course of several months.
Hazard a guess as to which was more accurate?
I reckon modern forecasting has gotten a bit better, so now tempted to have my teenagers do the same thing for 2023.
more proof that weather goes in cycles, like everything else
Seconded! If I had a dollar (well, ten crowns) for every time the computer's various weather apps and national weather services have shown something else than what's outside the window, I could buy a brand-spanking new Range Rover.
My weather app always shows exactly what’s happening outside at that very moment, regardless of what they were predicting ten minutes before. They’re very flexible that way!
When my husband was in college in the early 80’s, one of his classes took a tour of the local National Weather Service facility. The guide showed off all the fancy state-of-the-art computers and forecasting tools they had at their disposal. But the grand finale of the tour was what they regarded as their most importing prognosticating tool: the giant window facing north! 😂🤣
LOL that says it all. As for a forecast, I watch my dog and cats and listen to the birds. On a grey rainy morning with brighter weather in the forecast, cats and dog stay in and wait it out. If they all run into the rain, forget it. If the morning is bright but no birds are singing, either there is an owl in the yard, or the weather won't hold. A finger I hurt years ago still nags when it is going to be foggy. And I always take an umbrella and rain coat in my car. Better safe than sorry! Thanks for the laugh!
Well look no further than Ian. People were literally in a mad dash to head south from Tampa to the Ft. Myers area - literally 12 hours before landfall. That didn't turn out well.
If everyone who lived on the coast of Southwest Florida would've just retreated 15-20 miles inland then virtually nobody would've died.
A while ago dad told me that I think in Hungary a national holiday with lots of show off was postponed because the weathermen predicted storm and rain. The whole day was a blast of sunshine. All the weathermen were fired on the spot!
I think this would improve things:
Every time they get it too much wrong, they lose 10% off of next paycheck. 10% cumulative, so if they get it wrong ten times in one month they don't get paid.
I mean, when I worked in storehouse for cheese (which put me off cheese for years - got the whole back end of the bus to myself though...) ages ago, if I had sent out a fully laden truck where the contents or the delivery list was wrong 1/10 only, they'd sent me to the doctor or fired me.
Heh, maybe El Gato could have a poll: which jobs do you get to keep even if you get it wrong?
data typists and book keepers tend to get fired on the first mistake ! So why would we cope with people who are wrong most of the time !
I like to call them “weather guessers”.
Spot on mr. Cat. I detected an uptick of increased intensity in the histrionics of the NHC over a decade ago. There are some extremely self-important cubicle dwellers there.
Nice gato. Tony Heller, who is miraculously still on YT exposes these fraudsters every day. He just dropped one on Hurricane Andrew's damage in 1992. Less flooding more wind damage. Why is that? advancements in weather modification maybe to maximize flooding at the nation's largest fertilizer manufacturer Mosaic? Nah, it's probably nothing.
https://www.brighteon.com/b9a70228-05c8-40c5-a1dc-ce0eafbfae19
If our media was honest and competent, THEY would be publishing such articles.
Because they are neither, thank YOU for bringing quality analysis and straight thinking into this debate.
Expect any such posts to be ignored by the corporate media getting kickbacks from solar panel peddlers.
Writers like the cat, Chudov, Berenson, Malone ARE the journalists now. Mostly citizen journalists. Journalism as it was once thought to be, a counter-balance to the state, a speaker of truth to power at least now and then - that's left its old homes in newsprint and mainstream television. It's done from a sense of principle, rather than for wages.
Yep. Journalism is an action, not a profession.
If media was honest and competent, they'd be made illegal.
This is a prime example of the alarmist junk churned out by the media every time a severe weather event happens.
"I assumed that intensifying, in-your-face climate disasters would serve as a sort of backstop to finally force action.
To understand what an emergency we are now in, the scale and variety of the climate damage we’ve already incurred, you only need to look at a few of the most recent disasters. Hurricane Ian has just pummeled Cuba and Florida. The full extent of the disaster will only be revealed in the coming days and weeks, although first looks are shocking. But we do know with certainty that Ian was supercharged by global heating through several well-understood fundamental physics pathways."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/01/climate-emergency-hurricane-ian-crisis
'Fundamental fizzics' PROVES that we are in a climate emergency, according to this hyperventilating climate activist. Unbelievable how factually challenged and scientifically ignorant these people are. Of course, what he SHOULD have said is this:
"I assumed that intensifying, in-your-face hysterical climate activists would serve as a sort of backstop to finally force action."
WEFer Melissa Fleming:
“We own the science, and we think that the world should know it.” (https://www.bitchute.com/video/b2jvF9VdAb7C/)
Just another WEFMFer...
My family still doesn’t believe me when I tell them google is baked. I finally said let’s do an experiment. Pick any political topic (abortion let’s say) and search it. How many pages in do you have to go to find a single article that deviates from the previous ones. They just stare at me. Viewpoint diversity is a crucial element of society. We’ve become intellectually bankrupt and nobody seems to notice or care.
I saw something the other day as well that was unusual on google and most of the other search engines. The internet is disappearing; at least that was the claim.
If you search something political, you get 4,555,000,000 results.
But the results start repeating.
Then...... when you go ten or twenty pages into the results, suddenly the results just stop, and you get a message like "results are similar so we've excluded them." Even if you click "show me the results," you still end up hitting a wall.
So either there are not the number of results that they show you, or they're deliberately excluding results.
The only engine I tried that did not do that was yandex, a russian search engine.
Part of that is because for most topics there are only a few articles with original content, and then hundreds and thousands of articles, blog posts, tweets, etc., that quote the original ones. If you click through to the listings on the first 10-20 pages you'll see what I mean.
For most political topics, recency is the top criteria -- nobody who searches "Roe v. Wade overturned" cares what, say, Anita Bryant thought about it in 1978, so the search engines prioritize what somebody said yesterday or last week, and then all the other search results are pundits and activists and journalists (but I repeat myself) endlessly quoting and rehashing those 2-3 most recent things.
Wow.
Only under Scientism can science be owned.
Whoa! We “own”
the fucking science??!!😱😱😱
Just breathtaking arrogance.
One of the foundational pillars of the modern left.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?!?!
if you had the faith of a mustard seed (apologies to St Luke) you could shut down society bc of green house gases.
anthro climate change and the hubris that green scams can do anything but destroy civilization is a religion filled with zealotry
who look for assurances to sustain their cognitive dissonance
the wind turbine is the new baal furnace
Ole' Ba'al gets an undeserved bad rep due to the christians picking up the ancient jews old feud with, well pretty much everyone else and their goat for having their own gods.
Sure, he ruled the storm but he was also a fertility god and we all know how stormy passions go together with fertility, eh?
“...that measure is called “accumulated cyclonic energy” (ACE) which is, quite literally, a measure of all the storm energy”
I am assuming Bill Gates and pFizer are working on an ACE inhibitor to remedy this “strengthening” and save us all?
It’s called climatopril …. or fake meat!
Hurricanlovid, but you'll get a rebound next season!
Bring back the masks!
Most people do not realize how some computer programmer schmuck dutifully creates a graph where the variables or constants can be set (invisibly) to make it look better or worse. I was one of those programmers (but not about climate change or Covid death projections).
Sounds very similar to the global hair-fire over a virus with an IFR of 0.23% and virtually 0% to anyone not already on life support, oh the horror!!!
I hope ppl don’t fall for the climate scam. More sceptics please. Thanks for the article. Facts facts and nothing but the facts.
Sadly, Climate Change has been taught as fact in our public schools for a couple of decades and the younger generation has been successfully indoctrinated.
Not in the current climate...
The kids have been indoctrinated.