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SimulationCommander's avatar

I've NEVER ONCE had somebody explain to me how IVM (or other treatment) is the business of anybody but me and my doctor.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Apparently to my doctor, I myself am not a party to my own healthcare. It's between him and a political alphabet agency.

One of his responses to my request included a listing of the potential side effects of IVM. I then listed all the potential side effects of a different particular drug, a list nastier than his, and then I pointed out that HE prescribed THAT drug for me (a topical ointment, not something ingested), so what's the problem with the lesser-side-effected (and 50+ years of proven safety, and the fact that our own government REQUIRES incoming refugees to take IVM) Ivermectin?

Radio silence after that.

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Hissyfit's avatar

I survived ICU and remdesivir. After release from the hospital, I had no energy. I raise livestock so I stock easily 1500 ml of IVM 1% injectable at all times. I spent time researching post COVID treatment protocol and found a five day IVM treatment. I can calculate dosage because of my livestock breeding experience so I took it orally in dark chocolate cashew milk (dairy allergy that causes asthma). My energy came roaring back. Need to do blood work outside the sickness industry because they refuse to follow up. Easy to buy the 1% injectable and there are weight charts by ml dosage out there. Tractor Supply sells it. Just tell them you raise goats or alpacas and you can score a bottle!

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shibumi's avatar

For anyone interested, the details about dosing with pony paste can be found here:

https://www.barnhardt.biz/ivermectin/

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David Kindltot's avatar

Once upon a time people using veterinarian meds out of desperation was touted as the principal reason for centralized health care and the ACA. In the last two years taking vet. meds has been the only options available because of centralized health care and the ACA

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Hissyfit's avatar

They are cracking down on feed stores that stock penicillin. Only big box stores will be able to carry it. AVMA is an evil group that works hand in glove with FDA/USDA to limit the OTC drugs available. The goal is to force us to buy from our veterinarian who charges a hefty fee to set foot on one’s farm. We won’t be willing to pay $85 for a farm visit so they can hand over a $6.99 bottle of penicillin. Big gun antibiotics are a different matter. Some are $300/100 ml bottle. Right now, the vet supply houses can supply most items. However, I expect them to start requiring an Rx from a vet. After all, the USDA hires the top large animal graduating vets and puts them at desks in DC pushing paper at starting salaries that are ten times what they make as a large animal vet. Employment at USDA surged by 40% over recent years. Take it from a 25 year veteran of livestock breeding whose prior position was making the mega trend calls for Wall Street firms and the buy side.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

I did find a doc in VA via FLCCC (I think it was) who, among other things, did prescribe IVM.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Thanks for the tip!

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Tom Hogan's avatar

So change to an integrative medicine doc.

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Ellen's avatar

Unfortunately integrative medicine docs are extremely expensive ...

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Raptor's avatar

My insurance won't cover complimentary or integrative medicine (or the docs) at least the ones in our area. I am probably not the only one.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

I did change to a doc in Virginia, with whom I do tele-med visits and pay out of pocket (because insurance won't pay). She's the one who prescribed IVM for me.

I keep the other guy, nominally anyway, in case I need him in a way that the VA doc can't provide, since I'm a flight away from VA and can't get there quickly or easily.

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Raptor's avatar

I saw one of the doctors from FLCC is offering telemed for IVM. He wants around $350 for the consult. The IVM (at least around these parts) goes for about $100. Yes. It should cost about @20, but do you think the feds will investigate that gouging? No.

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¡Andrew the Great!'s avatar

Well it's not really gouging if he's not the only doc around, and not the only source for IVM. I think I paid around $130 in VA in December for my IVM ('course 2 years ago it probably cost ten bucks), and my tele-med doc is around $125/hr IIRC.

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Raptor's avatar

We have two local compounders. Basically the same price. The real gouger was the out of state compounder. When you are reselling a pill in a blister pack that you pay pennies for and charging 10X what it would normally sell for, but it is scarce...

Let's put it this way: In FL (and other states and probably the feds) if you gouge people for gas, ice or groceries (and probably other things) directly before or after a hurricane (even if it is scarce), the atty gen has a special task force whose purpose is to prosecute you and win. Why, because it is unconscionable.

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Raptor's avatar

When your doctor works for a corporation and they tell him or her that no ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine will be prescribed (unless patient has rickets or RA), then your doctor will not be prescribing it. Ditto for the doc in the hospital. Unless your doctor has a private practice with no affiliation (because if he is affiliated w a hospital and prescribes it, goodbye privileges. And then find a pharmacy that will fill it (usually a compounder). It won't be your local, friendly Walgreens. Why? See above.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

This is the problem with the whole idea of a multi-state board who can fire you for not doing things their way.

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Raptor's avatar

That is ONE of the problems.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

LOL fair point!

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TIOK's avatar

Exactly. And a good model we can generalize. Why do multi-state or even state medical boards exist? To protect patients...so that was the promise. Concentrate power so as to "protect" - safety, security, and the common good. Once power is concentrated, it will be abused. And as I've said for decades, that is not a slippery slope, kids, it's a cliff. It may seem fine to step off, for a while it even feels "free", but it never ends well.

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TIOK's avatar

This is true. But the message of these "truth guidelines" is that even if you are one of those few docs who practices independently you will follow the approved doctrine or you will not "practice" at all. This is another one of the incremental stories that has been creeping for years but 2020 showed they need not creep, or be subtle or clever, anymore.

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Raptor's avatar

Yes, that does seem to be the way it is going. Quickly.

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