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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

They view us as subjects, not citizens. They would take great delight in drafting the sons of MAGA and sending them off to the Russian meatgrinder.

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Mrs S's avatar

I agree they would love it.

But people aren't objects that can be shifted around on a board. If people don't consent to something then they resist, like they are doing here in the UK with the road cameras. People just keep cutting the poles down and there is nothing the government can do.

The same is happening with the new 20mph speed limits imposed across Wales. People have just painted over the signs.

At the end of the day people have to consent to be governed otherwise governance is extremely troublesome.

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Transcriber B's avatar

I am so heartened to hear about the people resisting there.

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Mrs S's avatar

This will cheer you up. Because the poles were getting cut down, the mayor decided to use vans with cameras on them but then people just blocked the vans in and spray painted them:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12570215/anti-ulez-activist-blade-runner-blocks-number-plate-camera-recognition.html

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/20mph-road-signs-keep-getting-27777878

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Transcriber B's avatar

Yes indeed!!

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Cirze's avatar

Love to hear about this!

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Vanda Salvini's avatar

A certain rich celebrity chef wanted to enjoy his expensive, fast cars. What to do about speeding cameras? He claimed that if you put cling wrap on the plates, the cameras won't be able to read the plates and it's hard for people to see the cling wrap.

I haven't tested it.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Many thanks of links. I am not up to speed on Wales but I note Mark Drakeford, First Minister for Wales.

he introduced the stupid 'Firebreak'. I did a very long post on my WordPress site, not for the faint hearted.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/coronavirus-firebreak-the-welsh-version/

'Dr drama Fokker' is an anagram of his name. He is silly. So a silly Fokker! :)

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Feral Finster's avatar

The Empire views its citizens as a resource to be exploited at most, and as an unavoidable inconvenience at worst.

The Empire has given $3,800 and counting for every Ukrainian man, woman and child, all with no real oversight or accountability. Meanwhile, the citizens of East Palestine cannot get so much as a hotel voucher.

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Mrs S's avatar

That really is a disgrace.

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Cirze's avatar

BINGO!!!

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John Mann's avatar

I wish they were painting over the signs around where I live in Scotland.

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Mrs S's avatar

Yes Nicola Sturgeon seemed to have successfully linked Scottish identity with compliance with all the covid/trans/net zero policies.

It's a bit disappointing.

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Shelle's avatar

Crazy thing is, the Scotch didn't use to be known for compliance! Historically, they were a feisty bunch

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Username's avatar

I guess the sheep is now the Scottish national symbol.

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John Mann's avatar

Though in fairness, the article you linked to only mentioned people painting over signs in a couple of places in Wales, which implies that the Welsh are pretty compliant, too. Not as compliant as the Scots, no doubt, but still pretty compliant . . .

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John Mann's avatar

Not bad, not bad. But there is room for improvement!

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Baldmichael's avatar

It would be good to fight back against the nonsense. I tried.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/save-the-sturgeon-in-the-uk-an-endangered

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Blair's avatar

Glad the people are not putting up with it.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Painting over the signs are they? Oh good! And hello from the south of England.

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Cirze's avatar

Wish the USA had such liberty-loving individualistic citizens.

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Leverage Replaces Strength's avatar

Hey Doc, Ghandi was a dirty old man personally but he did have a good line in the movie- " 100,000 Englishmen simply cannot control 350 million Indians, if those Indians refuse to cooperate." Let's see who bows....

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Mr. House's avatar

"They view us as subjects, not citizens."

Its worse then that, they view you as a consumer.

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Mrs S's avatar

I hear that nowadays it's 'useless eater'

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Mr. House's avatar

you wanna rebel? Get out of debt, stop "consuming", only buy what you need to survive. Debt is the oxygen the "master of the universe" breath. Save money hand over fist, then threats of losing your job because you won't be jabbed don't sting as much.

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Mr. House's avatar

Being that you're from England, looks like most of your mates are doing the exact opposite:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/10/bank-of-england-flags-concerns-over-longer-mortgages-and-rise-in-credit-card-use

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JasonT's avatar

Or a lab rat, depending on the need at hand.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Wouldn't be the first time. The Bush family dynasty made its fortune on the blood of American Patriots from the heartlands on the battlefields in Europe. Prescott Bush was "Hitler's Banker." For real. Was profiting during WWII paying for the bullets, bombs and steel that killed and wounded American GI's. And paid for the gas used to exterminate millions. There's good money in making war. And if you believe George HW Bush was a courageous pilot downed in the Pacific found floating in a raft in the middle of the ocean I have a safe and effective shot for you. Look up who Prescott Bush was. Delighted to send sons of America off to the German meatgrinder.

And here's a piece that does some of that research for you:

https://freedomfox.substack.com/p/knowing-the-true-adversary

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

True, and we should view ourselves as sovereigns and ЁЭТПЁЭТРЁЭТХ "citizens."

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