So... you're rooting for placebo effects to validate vaccine mandates to attend higher education so everyone will feel better and you don't have to deal with this anymore?
I'm unvaccinated. What else would you like to take from me so we can declare vaccine victory and you can have your sovereign rights back (never mind where mine went).
I guess I do have a "wish it away" problem. Maybe I am not thinking clearly, but I think we're on the same side here, Guttermouth. I can barely believe what is happening, constitution torn to shreds, civil rights tossed like yesterday's fish bones. I don't want the vax, don't want anyone else to have the vax, and am terrified of what is unfolding around me. My college-bound daughter went and got the vax, she was legal and I couldn't persuade her. The sacrifice, from her perspective, was too high--life as she knew it, basically. So when I contemplate the possible long-term consequences for her life, yeah, I'm rooting for the placebo effect. Wouldn't that be the best (albeit least likely) of many possible bad outcomes available now, that we'll just wake up one day and say, oops, that was a mistake, and there are no long-term population-wide health devastating consequences? What I want is for this madness to stop. But how do we get there when the faith of the faithful is so absolute? What do you think should be done?
My problem with your position is that you're willing to accept mandates, EVEN AS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR BASIS IS LIKELY SPURIOUS, as a consequence of wishful thinking in vaccine efficacy, so we can "be done." You're complying your way out of tyranny and not giving a damn (as is your right) about those who have not knuckles under like your daughter.
You can't have it both ways. Vaccine mandates to satisfy the faculty at your daughter's school and bargain your way back to normal includes me being gradually jobless, homeless, and finally probably held down by men with guns and forcibly vaccinated.
I'm not your daughter, so I'll forgive you not thinking of me here. But I'm someone's.
Collaborator, wow, that stings. You may be right, even if that is not what I meant to do. We are living in horrifying times. Evil is afoot. How to resist? It is so huge, so evil. Lives are being ground to dust in the jaws of a monster. They have divided us, manipulated us, given us little scraps to keep us in line. Each of us is just trying to survive. How do we come together to fight this evil?
Boosters are on the horizon...for everyone. If people keep complying to "get their lives back", it will not end.
Here's your motivation...every single injection your child submits to might increase her risk serious, life-altering or life-ending disease in the future. This is an experiment on humanity. They have no notion of the longterm consequences of these injections. None. Nada. Zip.
So far, the doctors and scientists who have been vilified for speaking out against the "vaxxines" have been right about every risk they identified.
Here's just one example of what might be in out future on a massive scale...
I wouldn't have called you that. My point is less melodramatic.
"Each of us is just trying to survive" = "We are not in this together."
That's fine, that's what life is. You lose the moral high ground if you don't allow people to go along to get along.
I just want people to be honest about it. If you can't or won't resist, you're not in the same position of people who will or must resist, and it's insulting to suggest we're of a kin- whether or not that's anyone's fault. It's the same bullshit of "allyship" the woke Left loves to flog. We are simply not in the same boat. It takes great moral courage to sacrifice your position unnecessarily for the sake of others. It is not the norm or the expectation.
We don't come together to fight this evil unless we're all affected by the evil enough that we see no alternative. See also, literally every other social reform in human history.
It never ends. Here in San Francisco we have a vax rate of 85%. (3x many have died of overdoses than of/with covid here.) But it isn't enough. As an unvaccinated person I can't eat indoors, go to a bar or cafe without showing proof of vaccination. There is also AB455 ("dead" for now until the results of recall election favor Newsom) that will make it impossible for unvaccinated Californians to enter any public building except grocery stores or churches. No entrance to hotels etc...Never in my wildest nightmare.
I am on your side here; I think just the reality of having the staff and students on campus and back in the normal routines will help immensely to shake us out of this bizarre fugue state.
If a widespread adoption of sensible risk assessment (if the kids weren't at school they would still have to be *somewhere*, and the virus would still get to them lol) is truly impossible due to psychological hard-wiring, it's just one more sign that society literally cannot function under secularism.
So... you're rooting for placebo effects to validate vaccine mandates to attend higher education so everyone will feel better and you don't have to deal with this anymore?
I'm unvaccinated. What else would you like to take from me so we can declare vaccine victory and you can have your sovereign rights back (never mind where mine went).
I guess I do have a "wish it away" problem. Maybe I am not thinking clearly, but I think we're on the same side here, Guttermouth. I can barely believe what is happening, constitution torn to shreds, civil rights tossed like yesterday's fish bones. I don't want the vax, don't want anyone else to have the vax, and am terrified of what is unfolding around me. My college-bound daughter went and got the vax, she was legal and I couldn't persuade her. The sacrifice, from her perspective, was too high--life as she knew it, basically. So when I contemplate the possible long-term consequences for her life, yeah, I'm rooting for the placebo effect. Wouldn't that be the best (albeit least likely) of many possible bad outcomes available now, that we'll just wake up one day and say, oops, that was a mistake, and there are no long-term population-wide health devastating consequences? What I want is for this madness to stop. But how do we get there when the faith of the faithful is so absolute? What do you think should be done?
My problem with your position is that you're willing to accept mandates, EVEN AS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR BASIS IS LIKELY SPURIOUS, as a consequence of wishful thinking in vaccine efficacy, so we can "be done." You're complying your way out of tyranny and not giving a damn (as is your right) about those who have not knuckles under like your daughter.
You can't have it both ways. Vaccine mandates to satisfy the faculty at your daughter's school and bargain your way back to normal includes me being gradually jobless, homeless, and finally probably held down by men with guns and forcibly vaccinated.
I'm not your daughter, so I'll forgive you not thinking of me here. But I'm someone's.
Collaborator, wow, that stings. You may be right, even if that is not what I meant to do. We are living in horrifying times. Evil is afoot. How to resist? It is so huge, so evil. Lives are being ground to dust in the jaws of a monster. They have divided us, manipulated us, given us little scraps to keep us in line. Each of us is just trying to survive. How do we come together to fight this evil?
How to resist? Don't comply. Speak out.
Boosters are on the horizon...for everyone. If people keep complying to "get their lives back", it will not end.
Here's your motivation...every single injection your child submits to might increase her risk serious, life-altering or life-ending disease in the future. This is an experiment on humanity. They have no notion of the longterm consequences of these injections. None. Nada. Zip.
So far, the doctors and scientists who have been vilified for speaking out against the "vaxxines" have been right about every risk they identified.
Here's just one example of what might be in out future on a massive scale...
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cheryl-cohen-dies-rare-brain-disease-second-dose-pfizer-covid-shot/?fbclid=IwAR0Y_YbtRi9nIrk-hzZso-1upbrOlHi6W9g3_6x_cMrRbmufuZ4qyknNRlY
This, this, a thousand times this. "How" to resist is very simple. Gato malo already answered it.
Will you choose to do so, or will you go along to get along is the bigger question, and one without any concrete answer.
I wouldn't have called you that. My point is less melodramatic.
"Each of us is just trying to survive" = "We are not in this together."
That's fine, that's what life is. You lose the moral high ground if you don't allow people to go along to get along.
I just want people to be honest about it. If you can't or won't resist, you're not in the same position of people who will or must resist, and it's insulting to suggest we're of a kin- whether or not that's anyone's fault. It's the same bullshit of "allyship" the woke Left loves to flog. We are simply not in the same boat. It takes great moral courage to sacrifice your position unnecessarily for the sake of others. It is not the norm or the expectation.
We don't come together to fight this evil unless we're all affected by the evil enough that we see no alternative. See also, literally every other social reform in human history.
It never ends. Here in San Francisco we have a vax rate of 85%. (3x many have died of overdoses than of/with covid here.) But it isn't enough. As an unvaccinated person I can't eat indoors, go to a bar or cafe without showing proof of vaccination. There is also AB455 ("dead" for now until the results of recall election favor Newsom) that will make it impossible for unvaccinated Californians to enter any public building except grocery stores or churches. No entrance to hotels etc...Never in my wildest nightmare.
btw my daughter is vaccinated as well; she had no choice, the NCAA requires it of all student-athletes.
I am on your side here; I think just the reality of having the staff and students on campus and back in the normal routines will help immensely to shake us out of this bizarre fugue state.
If a widespread adoption of sensible risk assessment (if the kids weren't at school they would still have to be *somewhere*, and the virus would still get to them lol) is truly impossible due to psychological hard-wiring, it's just one more sign that society literally cannot function under secularism.