When one side argues for choice and the other side insists that the side that's happy to give them the choice to mask up, vaxx up, stay home must be compelled to do the same or else their own interventions "won't work," we've got asymmetry of regard here.
It's like a knightly order of chivalry challenging Barbary pirates to a Queensberry boxing match.
Yes, we all have family and friends who've gotten the jabs.
And we all hope they do no real harm even if they don't prevent infection or disease.
Unfortunately, their submission to authority and wishful thinking has put the rest of us at risk...indeed our entire society at risk.
If it was merely a question of you so you and I'll do me, I would have no problem. But many are so captured that they'll insist the unvaxxed get vaxxed, even though the CDC has admitted that the jabs don't stop infection or transmission. They are lining up to get another jab of last year's potion to protect against this year's contagion. And too many of them are enraged that the rest of us just won't go along. SCV2 is bad, but the mind virus is worse.
Their unwillingness or inability to think critically is putting everyone...including them...at risk.
I'm not suggesting oppressing anyone. (I have no power to, anyway). I'm saying the side of liberty in this and most instances is nearly always on the back foot, because it's easier to win if you're prepared to do so at any cost (and have dehumanized your opponent.)
i fear this is less because of the inherent advantages of dehumanization and more to do with an attitude of "going along to get along" that becomes common in fat, happy, rich societies.
we forget that freedom is not free, that liberty must be jacked out of the jungle of bad human predilection, and that we only get to keep the rights we will fight for.
there is nothing stopping us from fighting. we just don't.
we fear the costs and the social strife and censure.
we're gaslighted into thinking we are not the majority.
I've drawn my lines and I'm ready to fight for every inch at this point. My only point in my previous comment is that if you've already gone along to get along, I may not have moral grounds to hate you, but you're not on my side.
I get my soul ground down a little more every day I wade through comments in skeptics forums beginning "I'm vaccinated BUT..." Yeah, sure you'll refuse to show your legitimate vax passport. Sure you'll give up the job you don't have to give up. Sure you'll miss going out with your friends even though you're able.
When one side argues for choice and the other side insists that the side that's happy to give them the choice to mask up, vaxx up, stay home must be compelled to do the same or else their own interventions "won't work," we've got asymmetry of regard here.
It's like a knightly order of chivalry challenging Barbary pirates to a Queensberry boxing match.
i find that framing deeply problematic.
"we must become monsters to battle monsters" is a self defeating philosophy.
do that, and you've lost before you even begin.
you cannot use "only good coercion" to oppress your way out of tyranny.
such powers, once granted, always wind up wielded by exactly the people you wished they wouldn't.
Yes, we all have family and friends who've gotten the jabs.
And we all hope they do no real harm even if they don't prevent infection or disease.
Unfortunately, their submission to authority and wishful thinking has put the rest of us at risk...indeed our entire society at risk.
If it was merely a question of you so you and I'll do me, I would have no problem. But many are so captured that they'll insist the unvaxxed get vaxxed, even though the CDC has admitted that the jabs don't stop infection or transmission. They are lining up to get another jab of last year's potion to protect against this year's contagion. And too many of them are enraged that the rest of us just won't go along. SCV2 is bad, but the mind virus is worse.
Their unwillingness or inability to think critically is putting everyone...including them...at risk.
I'm not suggesting oppressing anyone. (I have no power to, anyway). I'm saying the side of liberty in this and most instances is nearly always on the back foot, because it's easier to win if you're prepared to do so at any cost (and have dehumanized your opponent.)
i fear this is less because of the inherent advantages of dehumanization and more to do with an attitude of "going along to get along" that becomes common in fat, happy, rich societies.
we forget that freedom is not free, that liberty must be jacked out of the jungle of bad human predilection, and that we only get to keep the rights we will fight for.
there is nothing stopping us from fighting. we just don't.
we fear the costs and the social strife and censure.
we're gaslighted into thinking we are not the majority.
that's why we're losing.
I've drawn my lines and I'm ready to fight for every inch at this point. My only point in my previous comment is that if you've already gone along to get along, I may not have moral grounds to hate you, but you're not on my side.
I get my soul ground down a little more every day I wade through comments in skeptics forums beginning "I'm vaccinated BUT..." Yeah, sure you'll refuse to show your legitimate vax passport. Sure you'll give up the job you don't have to give up. Sure you'll miss going out with your friends even though you're able.