I mean that the IRS can take anything and everything you have to satisfy your tax liability. They will garnish your wages, empty your bank accounts, and foreclose on your property, IF you refuse to pay.
If you want proof- this link at the IRS website has an entire list of frivolous arguments and the court cases that go with them. They have put people in jail for promoting and profiting off such schemes, I promise you, if you owe money, the IRS can and will take whatever they are owed and if they want to make an example of you, they will put you in prison - https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-introduction
I read through that, we’ll see what dawnfrench responds with. My BS meter is high, but I’m investigating because I’ve long believed the government cannot legally tax me, i just lack the power to fight back.
You might want to look up the judge’s opinion in TC Memo 2014-35. It’s a very interesting read. The case is Steven T. Waltner v. Commissioner. The judge goes through each point in that book in his legal opinion. The bottom line is this: making up your own definition of words contrary to their common law (and common sense) definitions doesn’t a case make.
Btw, you can apparently be fined up to $25,000 for taking one of the positions that is in the book. That’s a little more than $5,000. Caveat emptor.
Yeah I’m definitely not ready to try it yet. But i am going to keep researching and watching what happens to people who try it. Bottom line for me is, even if the book is correct, the government can still throw me in jail (since when has the law prevented that?) and keep my money (ditto), and I’m not ready for that kind of commitment. I have three toddlers and a wife to take care of :) but if i see examples of people applying this and it working out, i may be persuadable. I hate the federal government and believe they act fraudulently on a daily basis, so any moral act i can contribute that fights back against them, I’m all for. But i have to balance the risks and benefits…
Bingo. There are plenty of legal and legitimate ways to minimize your tax burden, that won’t result with you in jail. The courts have rejected that book and have jailed and fined people for doing the stuff in it (changing government forms-really?? I wouldn’t think that’d fly, and it doesn’t). Like that just isn’t going to work. If you do what that book says at this point in history, I’d say you lack sense.
But hey, I’m glad you’re paying attention now. There’s a whole lot of people who aren’t paying attention to what is going on in the tax space- they don’t know how any of it works and they don’t really care to learn. And if you don’t understand something, you can’t fix or change it.
Yeah I’ve done my own taxes my whole life, including for my real estate investments, rental properties, etc. I’ve had them looked over by a cpa who was surprised i got it all correct.. but i’m still looking for ways to fight back against the Feds.
You just need curiosity and diligence. And courage. They know they are committing fraud and they don't like losing their tax slaves, but we have and have always had the power to remove our own chains. And those chains are around our minds.
This is the exact page that describes what is going on here. The IRS is trying to stem the flow of educated filings and FAILING TO DO SO. Because a correct understanding of the law results in a loss of ill-gotten gains for them.
As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. I wonder how many people wind up out thousands in penalties and interest or even wind up in prison because of something they read on the Internet. 🤷♀️
Irwin Schiff is controlled opposition. He didn't spend a single day behind bars. The whole things was an OP to scare you (remember the purpose of FEAR).
Don't you think it's interesting that Peter (Irwin's son) began his career as a stockbroker at a Shearson Lehman Brothers brokerage in the early 1990s and while they CLAIM they are of no relation they just happen to share the same last name as FOUR PARTNERS at Kuhn Loeb & Co (later merged with Lehman Brothers, later became Shearson Lehman Brothers). Oh, and the original MANAGING PARTNER at Kuhn Loeb & Co, Jacob Schiff, was not only the brother-in-law of Solomon Loeb but the brother-in-law of Paul Warburg, the architect of the Federal Reserve Act
If you still don't believe the Schiff selling you the "don't fight the IRS" scam isn't related to the Schiffs who architected your slavery to the banksters, take a look at the picture of Mortimer vs. Peter on page 7 of this document: http://mileswmathis.com/rich.pdf
THIS IS A VERY PROFITABLE SCAM FOR THEM AND THEY WILL LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL TO MAINTAIN THEIR GRAVY TRAIN. And they've built an entire ecosystem of bureaucrats and "licensed professionals" to administer the scam and keep the peasants uninformed and afraid so they don't have to do anything but collect.
Mr. Research here isn't paying attention to the slippery language being used to accuse a filer of submitting a "frivolous" return. However, as is very clear from a reading of the code Section 6702, following the law is NOT FRIVOLOUS by definition.
And again, notice he is resorting to scare tactics and threats versus an educated understanding about what is SUBJECT to the tax and what isn't, and what the tax law says and what it doesn't.
That's how you and he has been propagandized. Just like "safe and effective" they think if they repeat the lie often enough, you'll believe it. (And they're right.)
The FEAR of an IRS audit is used to shut down your critical thinking skills and make you easier to control. That's their job. And Mr. Researcher here is PROFITING from your fear and ignorance.
The thing is, I was one of those who was expected to promote "safe and effective" but fortunately I work in a dermatology office, not an office offering vaccinations. I spoke openly with patients about my concerns and that I chose not to be vaccinated, but I do know about them trying to instill fear, my office manager threatened to write me up but I'm the sole source of revenue for our independent practice (along with two other providers) so I knew I was too valuable to fire. The whole COVID vaccine ordeal was so eye-opening to me, I'm surprised I'm even entertaining the idea that you are presenting. However, I could afford a $5000 bet to call the government's bluff, so I'll look more into it.
Interest rates on IRS late payments are currently 7%. If you’re going to do something with $5,000 that risks jail time, I would personally recommend something more amusing than federal court.
Yeah, I'm not %100 sold, but I wouldn't claim 0 on my current tax year, I'd try to amend a previous year first to see what happens. I'm gonna at least read the book, see what I think about his legal reasoning.
I’d suggest consulting a tax attorney. You might consider taking one out for drinks and pick his brain on your legal theory. So then when he laughs you out of the bar, you at least have had a good time, and it won’t cost you $5,000.
The thing I can't figure out is what does this Peter Hendricksen guy get out of this? His book is free on his website, I'm reading it right now. Yes, he sells t shirts and stuff, but they're not selling many I'm sure, judging by the style of the shirts. And the only people who would buy them would be people who have tried what he recommends. Did he sell some books previously? Yes. But now he offers the book for free and asks for donations. Also his website seems very sincere about this being about taking back our control over the government... It doesn't seem like money is his aim. It seems like he truly believes this. I'm trying to figure out what the angle is if this is a scam..
I mean that the IRS can take anything and everything you have to satisfy your tax liability. They will garnish your wages, empty your bank accounts, and foreclose on your property, IF you refuse to pay.
If you want proof- this link at the IRS website has an entire list of frivolous arguments and the court cases that go with them. They have put people in jail for promoting and profiting off such schemes, I promise you, if you owe money, the IRS can and will take whatever they are owed and if they want to make an example of you, they will put you in prison - https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-introduction
I read through that, we’ll see what dawnfrench responds with. My BS meter is high, but I’m investigating because I’ve long believed the government cannot legally tax me, i just lack the power to fight back.
You might want to look up the judge’s opinion in TC Memo 2014-35. It’s a very interesting read. The case is Steven T. Waltner v. Commissioner. The judge goes through each point in that book in his legal opinion. The bottom line is this: making up your own definition of words contrary to their common law (and common sense) definitions doesn’t a case make.
Btw, you can apparently be fined up to $25,000 for taking one of the positions that is in the book. That’s a little more than $5,000. Caveat emptor.
Yeah I’m definitely not ready to try it yet. But i am going to keep researching and watching what happens to people who try it. Bottom line for me is, even if the book is correct, the government can still throw me in jail (since when has the law prevented that?) and keep my money (ditto), and I’m not ready for that kind of commitment. I have three toddlers and a wife to take care of :) but if i see examples of people applying this and it working out, i may be persuadable. I hate the federal government and believe they act fraudulently on a daily basis, so any moral act i can contribute that fights back against them, I’m all for. But i have to balance the risks and benefits…
Bingo. There are plenty of legal and legitimate ways to minimize your tax burden, that won’t result with you in jail. The courts have rejected that book and have jailed and fined people for doing the stuff in it (changing government forms-really?? I wouldn’t think that’d fly, and it doesn’t). Like that just isn’t going to work. If you do what that book says at this point in history, I’d say you lack sense.
But hey, I’m glad you’re paying attention now. There’s a whole lot of people who aren’t paying attention to what is going on in the tax space- they don’t know how any of it works and they don’t really care to learn. And if you don’t understand something, you can’t fix or change it.
Yeah I’ve done my own taxes my whole life, including for my real estate investments, rental properties, etc. I’ve had them looked over by a cpa who was surprised i got it all correct.. but i’m still looking for ways to fight back against the Feds.
You just need curiosity and diligence. And courage. They know they are committing fraud and they don't like losing their tax slaves, but we have and have always had the power to remove our own chains. And those chains are around our minds.
I’d be careful what I promote if I were her - https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2006/February/06_tax_098.html
https://losthorizons.com/FRP/IRSFRPFraud.htm
This is the exact page that describes what is going on here. The IRS is trying to stem the flow of educated filings and FAILING TO DO SO. Because a correct understanding of the law results in a loss of ill-gotten gains for them.
As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. I wonder how many people wind up out thousands in penalties and interest or even wind up in prison because of something they read on the Internet. 🤷♀️
In this particular case it’s anywhere between zero and 300 million or so. I’m not sure.
I’m sure that it’s more than zero, but how many is anyone’s guess lol
Irwin Schiff is controlled opposition. He didn't spend a single day behind bars. The whole things was an OP to scare you (remember the purpose of FEAR).
Don't you think it's interesting that Peter (Irwin's son) began his career as a stockbroker at a Shearson Lehman Brothers brokerage in the early 1990s and while they CLAIM they are of no relation they just happen to share the same last name as FOUR PARTNERS at Kuhn Loeb & Co (later merged with Lehman Brothers, later became Shearson Lehman Brothers). Oh, and the original MANAGING PARTNER at Kuhn Loeb & Co, Jacob Schiff, was not only the brother-in-law of Solomon Loeb but the brother-in-law of Paul Warburg, the architect of the Federal Reserve Act
If you still don't believe the Schiff selling you the "don't fight the IRS" scam isn't related to the Schiffs who architected your slavery to the banksters, take a look at the picture of Mortimer vs. Peter on page 7 of this document: http://mileswmathis.com/rich.pdf
THIS IS A VERY PROFITABLE SCAM FOR THEM AND THEY WILL LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL TO MAINTAIN THEIR GRAVY TRAIN. And they've built an entire ecosystem of bureaucrats and "licensed professionals" to administer the scam and keep the peasants uninformed and afraid so they don't have to do anything but collect.
A lot of those names ring a bell from "none dare call it conspiracy". I do believe they are all fraudsters.
Mr. Research here isn't paying attention to the slippery language being used to accuse a filer of submitting a "frivolous" return. However, as is very clear from a reading of the code Section 6702, following the law is NOT FRIVOLOUS by definition.
And again, notice he is resorting to scare tactics and threats versus an educated understanding about what is SUBJECT to the tax and what isn't, and what the tax law says and what it doesn't.
That's how you and he has been propagandized. Just like "safe and effective" they think if they repeat the lie often enough, you'll believe it. (And they're right.)
The FEAR of an IRS audit is used to shut down your critical thinking skills and make you easier to control. That's their job. And Mr. Researcher here is PROFITING from your fear and ignorance.
The thing is, I was one of those who was expected to promote "safe and effective" but fortunately I work in a dermatology office, not an office offering vaccinations. I spoke openly with patients about my concerns and that I chose not to be vaccinated, but I do know about them trying to instill fear, my office manager threatened to write me up but I'm the sole source of revenue for our independent practice (along with two other providers) so I knew I was too valuable to fire. The whole COVID vaccine ordeal was so eye-opening to me, I'm surprised I'm even entertaining the idea that you are presenting. However, I could afford a $5000 bet to call the government's bluff, so I'll look more into it.
Interest rates on IRS late payments are currently 7%. If you’re going to do something with $5,000 that risks jail time, I would personally recommend something more amusing than federal court.
Yeah, I'm not %100 sold, but I wouldn't claim 0 on my current tax year, I'd try to amend a previous year first to see what happens. I'm gonna at least read the book, see what I think about his legal reasoning.
I’d suggest consulting a tax attorney. You might consider taking one out for drinks and pick his brain on your legal theory. So then when he laughs you out of the bar, you at least have had a good time, and it won’t cost you $5,000.
haha I mean yeah, but that just sounds to me like the same "talk to your doctor about the vaccines" spiel.
The thing I can't figure out is what does this Peter Hendricksen guy get out of this? His book is free on his website, I'm reading it right now. Yes, he sells t shirts and stuff, but they're not selling many I'm sure, judging by the style of the shirts. And the only people who would buy them would be people who have tried what he recommends. Did he sell some books previously? Yes. But now he offers the book for free and asks for donations. Also his website seems very sincere about this being about taking back our control over the government... It doesn't seem like money is his aim. It seems like he truly believes this. I'm trying to figure out what the angle is if this is a scam..
The only thing I am advocating here is for you to become educated about the law.