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Man-i's avatar

PFIZER HAD TO HAVE KNOWN.. they had to have known it would not stop infection.

the shot makes the recepient generate a serum ( blood) IgG anti body response only. but the antibody that is responsible for preventing infection and spread is the IgA isotype found in the nasal mucosa. SO this shot would never have stopped infection. If it reduced the severity of the illness in those who were at risk and the safety profile was favorable then maybe it would have made sense to give it to at risk people. but there was never any change of herd immunity with this shot.

AND PFIZER HAD TO HAVE KNOWN THIS. because the vax industry has tried for decades to some up with a sterilizing shot for viral upper respiratory infections like covid and influenza in people and even pigs and chickens and they failed repeatedly.

So Pfizer knew and they obfuscated and lied and pretended like they didnt have time to study it and acted like it wasnt an important aspect of the vax when really it was the KEY to whole pandemic.

Pfizer did this because they knew that everyone would need boosters indefinitely and that meant big bucks. Like putting people on a subscription plan without them knowing. Or like what purdue pharma did with oxycontin.

the greatest fraud and crime in human history

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Lawrence's avatar

“the greatest fraud and crime in human history”

So far.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Excellent comment. Science has been trying to come up with a vaccine for numerous coronaviruses for many years, always abject failures.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

It had to have known because literally every piece of real-world data that we had showed that the vaccine didn't stop transmission.

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Man-i's avatar

thats right . And mechanistically the vax doenst induce IgA, no agent has ever worked to stop spread of viral upper respiratory infections. When people ask " why havent they produced A cure for the common cold?" Well... there's a reason, Pfizer knew it wouldnt stop infection and did either actively promoted the lie that it would or failed to publically correct the errors or misunderstanding of politicians and public health people. Fauci must have known as well. if he didnt that makes him ignorant and incompetent. If he did know and lied then that makes him evil. So fauci is either ignorant, incompetent or evil or some combo of all three

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chad's avatar

I'm glad someone else recognizes the need for IgA to fight a respiratory virus. The shots mainly stimulated IgG - which indicates they were stimulating a memory response - but IgG mainly fights infection in the blood, not lungs. They also didn't significantly stimulate T-cell function that would be an earlier line of defense against a viral infection than antibodies would.

Fauci is both ignorant and incompetent - there is no question there. As for evil? Perhaps some barkless beagles could weigh in on that.

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UnderwaterJJ's avatar

Exactly - you can't vaccinate against a respiratory virus and prevent infection w/o inducing an immune response at the site of infection (as you said likely primarily including T-cells!). This was/is a 100% known fact - something I think many of us non-virologists/vaccinologists came to understand over 1 1/2 years ago.

Anyway, not sure they will be sterilizing, but there are a few interesting intranasal/oral IgA (and T cell) inducing vaccines fairly far along in development.

Bharat BioTech (India) developed inCovacc which was licensed from Washington University (St Louis). It's an adenovirus, spike-based vaccine recently approved - as a primary series - in India, with another phase 3 completed as a booster. Not much of the phase 3 human trial data is publicly released yet, though in previous trials it was seemingly successful in preventing transmission in rhesus macaques. Bharat's US partner (Ocugen) for Covaxin (whole virion vaccine) has also licensed the vaccine from Wash U to commercialize it in the US (& EU/Japan).

Vaxart also has oral vaccines which are similarly adenovirus based (a spike-only and a spike/n-protein version) and Codagenix (and Serum Institute of India) is developing a live attenuated intranasal vaccine.

May all be too little too late, but it is interesting how these options were not pulled forward during 'Warp Speed' when they were clearly in development at the time - especially so when all we seemed to hear from big pharma was that they took no warp speed $ (so what did it go towards???).

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TIOK's avatar

It is definitely plausible that Pfizer didn't have the data until after the "field trial" on the general public. Given that the EUAs bypassed the normal process of clinical studies.

The subsequent suppression of data, that's another story. It could be a best seller - lies, intrigue, corruption, murder, ... all it lacks is a hero :-(

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SimulationCommander's avatar

They released the trial data that 'proved' the 95% efficacy, and THAT DATA ITSELF proved the jab doesn't stop transmission, considering they only measured people who got sick. That's not how vaccines work (or wasn't back then!)

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TIOK's avatar

How does one demonstrate efficacy in such a trail? Give 100 people the vaccine, then expose all 100 to the virus, and see who get's sick? Then do the same with 100 people who did not receive the vaccine, to establish a control with which to compare the effect. While 100 people wouldn't be mathematically valid to generalize to a population of 7 billion, and there are ethical issues with intentionally infecting people.

I've read some clinical trials of other drugs that follow the control model, with volunteers - people who are already sick and usually untreatable. That sort of control can show a difference between no meds and meds in treating a condition, but how does one validate prevention of a condition? From the literature it seems typically a lot of ad-hoc methods masquerading as science are used. I didn't see data on the pre-release clinical trial because what I found on the FDA site made it look like there was none prior to the EUA.

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Beth Fleet's avatar

Kinda like genocide

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Victoria's avatar

Yes, yes and yes. Putting infected elderly in nursing homes in order to spread the virus and increase the body count was a move that they hoped would not raise much suspicion. And if old folks die, who cares, right? They lived their lives. IMO, ventilators and Remdesivir (along with the lack of early treatment prohibited by the FDA) killed far more people than the virus itself ever did. One of the worst pieces of fallout from this entire charade is that we’ll never know for sure what the actual death rate is for SARS CoV-2, and how many deaths would have, could have and should have been prevented, which is something that the elite (including Fauci) never wanted us to know.

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Don's avatar

Not to mention the financial incentives for hospitals to identify, "Treat", and kill as many people as possible. Gotta give these guys credit for effort.

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Victoria's avatar

It doesn’t stop there. They also incentivized morticians who were paid a bonus (of sorts) to embalm corpses of those who died of (or with) COVID. And to discourage families from reporting all of this, they were dangled a $9000 carrot to help pay the final expenses of their dead. Kind of like hush money. You have no idea the number of funeral directors and family members called to request that I “correct” death certificates that I had signed, to include COVIDas the cause (or at least a contributing factor) in the death of their meal ticket...er, I mean “loved one”.

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Don's avatar

Ugh... I didn't want to hear that, but who would be surprised, at this point? Thank you for sharing.

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Anon38901932047's avatar

Whoa! I never heard about that $9000 funeral expense payoff. But even more interesting is your experience with funeral directors requesting that you change the cause of death on death certificates. I hadn't heard about that either. Thanks for reporting that.

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smokegetsinyoureyes's avatar

I hope a substacker does a report on this topic. It’s news to me!

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Leanne C's avatar

Democide is probably the word..

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shibumi's avatar

Yep. Democide.

But hey, the government is saving money on society security and medicare payments to the elderly that have died, so it's a big win!

/sarc

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MeriBear's avatar

Also the goal due to huge BB cohort.

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TIOK's avatar

If by that you mean to blame one of the two named political parties, look closer.

Plenty of politicians identifying as republicans played along with this. There really is only one dominant party (The Party) with few outliers (e.g. Rand Paul) but most just part of the theatre. 46 state and 2 US territories implemented essentially identical "shutdown and lock-in" orders, clearly crafted by the national party. 22 of those governors were republicans.

AFAIK the effects of the vaccine know no political affiliations.

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Duchess's avatar

Oh hell yes, both parties have crap for brains so called reps who are after money..and then prestige...and then power. Look at the Turtle (McConnell).

I want him triple jabbed and boosted twice and not with saline.

Do we all realize that everyone today who is in politics is in it for the $$$$...they all go in with nothing and come out multimillionaires. I am fed to the back teeth with the corruption and self dealing.

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Duchess's avatar

Yes. It was and 8s deliberaye democide

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TAM's avatar

And it is just the beginning, I fear. I do not feel that it is a coincidence that the "assisted suicide/right to die" movement started about the same time that the first rumbles were heard about social security/medicare going broke. Expect to see more of this sort of thing.

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Elaine's avatar

Good comment!

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shibumi's avatar

FWIW, I have a friend who managed some of the CV clinical trials for Pfi$er. We no longer can talk about her job, but this is what she said last summer, before Paxlovid:

"The only way to stop CV was with a vaccine. If we didn't put one out, millions of people would have died, since vaccination is the ONLY treatment."

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Man-i's avatar

And millions of young bright professionals joined the nazi party back in the day

Clergymen , lawyers , doctors and other intelelctuals and professionals Were some of the most ardent supporters of which burning in the middle ages

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

What an utterly moronic statement by your friend.

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Elaine's avatar

WOW!

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cmpalmer75's avatar

Pfizer certainly knew they hadn't tested for transmission, but we all did. The Stage 3 trials were conducted for two months during a time when viral transmission was low. Since the jabs induce IgG antibodies (blood) and not IgA antibodies (mucosal), the jabbed were always going to "catch" covid. The question was if they would become ill. Since they skipped the animal trials (in which challenge is permitted), they may not have known if the jabbed would become very ill with high viral loads that would enhance transmission. It's amazing what they didn't find when they didn't look for it. My guess is that Pfizer will try to pass blame on the FDA (well, they let us do it...so it's not our fault). They're all to blame.

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Duchess's avatar

Change Pfizer in your statements to darpa/batfa/dod...and you will have it nailed correctly. Pfizer etc were only working under thrir direction...this entire thing was a trial of the us' s ability to develop a vaccine for a bioweapin and they didnt give a shot if it worked or not. It was just a proof of concept e excercise...

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shibumi's avatar

Interesting take on the situation.

I've always thought that it was an imperfect two part bioweapon: the virus was released to make people take the bioweapon. IMHO, it hasn't worked the way they wanted it to work.

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Markker's avatar

Can't add link but go watch interview with Corona Investigative Committee on globalresearch.ca 5th Oct date, I think it is.

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J T's avatar

Nah, it's worse than "they had to have known". There's no way they could possibly have known, because they never even tested for it before shoving it down the public's throat, making claims they knew they couldn't prove.

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Man-i's avatar

I disagree

Pfizer knew that the vaccine would not generate IGA and generate heard immunity. They knew that it would fail to provide sterilizing immunity Pfizer knew that it would fail to prevent infection and spread. And they lied about this and misrepresented this on purpose so that they could sell booster after booster

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

I thought I had heard at the start, that in the telescoped trials, they had already moved on with the next steps when it became apparent that the monkeys they were testing on, got sick. From that they could know that it wasn't going to work. But apparently they didn't care or rather, like someone said, that failure was what they needed for their "subscription plan". Really, just like the earlier computer Antivirus subscriptions. What an uncanny similarity here, too.

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Man-i's avatar

Or there was just so much political and peer pressure to push through with the development of this thing. Imagine being in a board room or committee meeting during the phases of development of the vaccine. And it became evident that it wouldn’t stop infection or spread but they were halfway through rolling this thing out and their prestige and a huge amount of money was on the line. No one had the guts to speak up

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MeriBear's avatar

Sadly, this reminds me of the religion of my family (which I left in 1984). Once people rise in their church offices to paid “general authorities” in the church’s corporate offices, at least some of them figure out it is all made up, not true. But they are so invested in it, besides having left high paying careers as lawyers, doctors, businessmen, that they have to sit there in silence, and worse, give “faith promoting” speeches to believing members who suspect nothing. That corruption is everywhere and it is very sad to know it. Sad to see so many people duped. Can’t say anything because most don’t want to know (as my scientist father told me re the church). Trying to tell people who don’t want to know is like teaching a pig to sing: it is impossible and it just frustrates you and the pig.

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

Also, they needed these vaccines approved no matter what, in order to them be able use the mRNA platform for everything else. So, in view of that more important agenda it was irrelevant whether the vaccines worked or not. (This being the pharma agenda, while the involved oligarchs and state actors were/are in addition to that, pursuing specific other agendas.)

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MeriBear's avatar

BIL Gates 2.0

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J T's avatar

And how would they know that if they never tested for it? They may have suspected it, they may have believed that, but without testing for it they most certainly did not *know* that it wouldn't.

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Man-i's avatar

You are missing the point

This type of mRNA therapy is injected into a persons arm and stimulates the body to produce IgG serum (blood antibodies) and then , later on it was hoped memory T cells

This type of mRNA therapy would not cause the body to create a mucosal IgA response. The IGA antibodies are exclusively secreted in the respiratory mucosa and in the intestines

This are basic infectious disease and immunology facts that have been known for decades

There have been many times in the past when various groups have tried to produce these types of treatments and vaccines for animals that are raised for food like chickens and pigs, and they have all failed to produce neutralizing or sterilizing immunity that would prevent infection and spread. They have all failed to produce herd immunity

So based on decades of worldwide experience with these types of therapies Pfizer and Moderno and many other people had to have known that this particular Covid shot would not produce sterilizing heard immunity because it does not produce the IGA mucosal response

So they didn’t need to test for it. Because they knew that it wouldn’t produce herd immunity. They knew that it probably wouldn’t prevent infection spread and transmission. And that is specifically why they didn’t test for it because they knew that if they did test for it would show that it did NOT prevent infection

So they LIED about it and marketed it anyway and pushed it KNOWING it would probably not stop infection and spread

They lied because their was so much political pressure AND they knew they could sell it any endless booster

You understand:

They didn’t test because they knew it would probably fail the test. And if it failed the test no one would take it. So they wouldn’t be able to sell it. So they didn’t test, and they lied about it knowing it would probably fail the test, and now they can sell endless boosters

You see it’s a giant mindfuck, global worldwide historic fraud and crime against humanity

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Tardigrade's avatar

Very clearly put. They did know, because they've been attempting to make this technology work for years. This was pure opportunism.

The global situation was contributed to by many powerful players, with possibly slightly different motivations. The pharmaceutical arm is the easiest to understand.

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Man-i's avatar

Yes exactly

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TIOK's avatar

I'm still amazed at the booster craze. Another level of logical denial. (1) the vaccine works but the virus mutates and (2) more of the same vaccine is the solution. (1) is shown true with flu viruses, but if that's the explanation for why the vaccine isn't protecting you, then more of the same makes no sense. And yet...it seems fairly obvious that having achieved 90% uptake rates in the most populous states, boosters create a "start over fresh" market opportunity (sell more of the same stuff). Second order logical inconsistency: big corporations are evil, greed driven organisms, and none more evil than drug companies, so believe everything the drug companies say and get the next shot.

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