I applaud your optimism and share it. Things are bad but we have the tools and the capability to replace and rebuild that which has been infected and turned against us. Meanwhile, every day more people on the margins grow sick of the mess created by this cult.
Another thought experiment, to really drive things home. Assume the world is ov…
I applaud your optimism and share it. Things are bad but we have the tools and the capability to replace and rebuild that which has been infected and turned against us. Meanwhile, every day more people on the margins grow sick of the mess created by this cult.
Another thought experiment, to really drive things home. Assume the world is overpopulated, and that the ecological strain this creates dooms the human species to extinction. The problem can be solved by eliminating 99% of the population. Doing so will result in humanity existing more or less in perpetuity. The extermination of billions of actually existing, flesh and blood humans is then justified by the lives of hundreds of billions of hypothetical future humans.
Point being, the cult's mindset does not require those 5 people on the trolley to even exist. In fact, there's a strong psychological pressure to simply invent them. Oh, we killed more people than we saved, in the real world? No problem, we'll just imagine more people into existence, and count them as among the saved - see, we're the good guys again!
yes, the malthusian cult simply will not die. it feels like some sort of vindication of campbells ideas of universal myths to serve unconscious needs.
it's just the eden story, over and over. once there was a garden and then man went and wrecked it and now we're screwed and must find some way back in.
they never contemplate how AWFUL a world with 99% fewer humans would be. science would stop and recede. so would services, amenities, culture, art, food, and 3,000 other things. who would develop new drugs and surgeries?
they imagine the world of today but with no crowds, but that is NOT what would happen. the technological and societal collapse would be savage.
life would become, once more, nasty, brutish, and short.
Impossible. It would go exactly as modeled/theorized, and if it doesn't, that just means the stupid peasants wanting their freedumbs didn't comply hard enough.
I have taken the time to read WEF reports. They think electricity comes from a light switch and water comes from the tap. They do not understand what they are doing.
Yep. The fantasy of a high-tech robot society with no people is just that. A large population is necessary to maintain the specialization if labor that enables a technological society to be maintained.
We could probably lose some fraction of the population without catastrophic technological regress; e.g. the Black Death wiped out 1/3 of Europe and it didn't go back to the Bronze Age. But there are real limits and the Georgia Guidestones prescription of 500 million is under that limit.
That's just it. The West has had this minor miracle for so many consecutive generations of relatively limited government, that they don't see it as a miracle anymore. They (we) take it for granted.
We saw this at the time of the founding, as well. The OG founders held pretty well to the Constitution, but once they were dead, the new guys REALLY started trying to work their way around it.
Ah the return to the great days of 1890 where hauling water was a daily chore. And we had to worry about our little garden growing well. Hours devoted to daily life kept us from inventing an iPhone. The ability to create and corral energy caused climate to be forever ruined by we nasty humans. And the answer is 1890?
Bingo. The Trolley Problem is actually so simplified to make its point that it becomes somewhat unhelpful. In reality, unless you possess a rare degree of reliable inside knowledge, you are most often taking someone else's word for it that there even *are* five people on the current track.
This is why loss of trust is such an issue no matter how much the television downplays it.
I saw a great sketch of this years ago where, waaaay down the line with one person on it, there's a veritable stack of people tied to the tracks- and no switch nearby.
I applaud your optimism and share it. Things are bad but we have the tools and the capability to replace and rebuild that which has been infected and turned against us. Meanwhile, every day more people on the margins grow sick of the mess created by this cult.
Another thought experiment, to really drive things home. Assume the world is overpopulated, and that the ecological strain this creates dooms the human species to extinction. The problem can be solved by eliminating 99% of the population. Doing so will result in humanity existing more or less in perpetuity. The extermination of billions of actually existing, flesh and blood humans is then justified by the lives of hundreds of billions of hypothetical future humans.
Point being, the cult's mindset does not require those 5 people on the trolley to even exist. In fact, there's a strong psychological pressure to simply invent them. Oh, we killed more people than we saved, in the real world? No problem, we'll just imagine more people into existence, and count them as among the saved - see, we're the good guys again!
yes, the malthusian cult simply will not die. it feels like some sort of vindication of campbells ideas of universal myths to serve unconscious needs.
it's just the eden story, over and over. once there was a garden and then man went and wrecked it and now we're screwed and must find some way back in.
they never contemplate how AWFUL a world with 99% fewer humans would be. science would stop and recede. so would services, amenities, culture, art, food, and 3,000 other things. who would develop new drugs and surgeries?
they imagine the world of today but with no crowds, but that is NOT what would happen. the technological and societal collapse would be savage.
life would become, once more, nasty, brutish, and short.
Impossible. It would go exactly as modeled/theorized, and if it doesn't, that just means the stupid peasants wanting their freedumbs didn't comply hard enough.
I have taken the time to read WEF reports. They think electricity comes from a light switch and water comes from the tap. They do not understand what they are doing.
Yep. The fantasy of a high-tech robot society with no people is just that. A large population is necessary to maintain the specialization if labor that enables a technological society to be maintained.
We could probably lose some fraction of the population without catastrophic technological regress; e.g. the Black Death wiped out 1/3 of Europe and it didn't go back to the Bronze Age. But there are real limits and the Georgia Guidestones prescription of 500 million is under that limit.
Don't worry John, those things are gone now...🤓
The natural state of humanity is destitute and starving. Anything more is a blessing supplied by a lifestyle they're determined to wreck.
That's just it. The West has had this minor miracle for so many consecutive generations of relatively limited government, that they don't see it as a miracle anymore. They (we) take it for granted.
We saw this at the time of the founding, as well. The OG founders held pretty well to the Constitution, but once they were dead, the new guys REALLY started trying to work their way around it.
Ah the return to the great days of 1890 where hauling water was a daily chore. And we had to worry about our little garden growing well. Hours devoted to daily life kept us from inventing an iPhone. The ability to create and corral energy caused climate to be forever ruined by we nasty humans. And the answer is 1890?
Who will clean their bathrooms? Mow their lawn? Cook their food? Grow their food?
I guess that's where the robots come in.
Aah but who will design, build, repair and maintain these robots?
I do wonder how many engineers are in all these build back better groups.
Bingo. The Trolley Problem is actually so simplified to make its point that it becomes somewhat unhelpful. In reality, unless you possess a rare degree of reliable inside knowledge, you are most often taking someone else's word for it that there even *are* five people on the current track.
This is why loss of trust is such an issue no matter how much the television downplays it.
I saw a great sketch of this years ago where, waaaay down the line with one person on it, there's a veritable stack of people tied to the tracks- and no switch nearby.
The image in https://theideasinstitute.org/2022/02/04/bystander-at-the-switch-the-moral-case-against-mandatory-public-health-measures/ showing the mountain seems per a yandex search unique. A similar dilemma is https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cty7-Z2WAAACu7s.jpg. (https://twitter.com/menschenfracht/status/782882092506054656)