so if i can stop the gods from being angry and wiping out the town by throwing you into the volcano, that's the way to go as long as it saves 2 or more people?
also note that you're arguing from false premise. if the disease were that obviously deadly and any of the mitigations actually worked, why do you presume people would need to be …
so if i can stop the gods from being angry and wiping out the town by throwing you into the volcano, that's the way to go as long as it saves 2 or more people?
also note that you're arguing from false premise. if the disease were that obviously deadly and any of the mitigations actually worked, why do you presume people would need to be compelled to adopt them instead of doing so of their own volition and in their own interest?
you're framing a slanted question that begs the reality.
Indeed, 'our' side (if I may so presumptuous) never said to do nothing at all. We simply said that totally voluntary measures would be enough to 'flatten the curve' and ensure hospitals weren't overrun. Places like North Dakota that never had lockdowns or mask mandates prove it.
Agree you hit a nail on the head with the " if it was that deadly" scenario. I would expect different behaviour too. That's my point, we didn't have a real trolly dilemma.
But why jump to ANOTHER false analogy yourself of volcano gods?
Yes, although assuming we have free-will (and it's not all pre-determined a la David Hume's billiard balls) we have to have an attempt at thinking policies through, and also having the humility to re-consider them if they prove to be clearly wrong like in the fixed-rents example many give.
If you believe in chaotic variance then the latter is even more important I reckon. Myself I think it's more Pythagorean repeating vibrations layers over layers, and we're probably on the cusp with machine-learning of being able to code past some of the seeming chaos. Hopefully it'll feel more like finding fractals within the rainbow than just unweaving the rainbow.
Yes, every technology from fire onwards can be used for good and bad. AI is likely very significant. Half the time I feel like going full smash-the-mechanical-loom luddite, and the other half I see genuine hope and progress in the area.
so if i can stop the gods from being angry and wiping out the town by throwing you into the volcano, that's the way to go as long as it saves 2 or more people?
also note that you're arguing from false premise. if the disease were that obviously deadly and any of the mitigations actually worked, why do you presume people would need to be compelled to adopt them instead of doing so of their own volition and in their own interest?
you're framing a slanted question that begs the reality.
Indeed, 'our' side (if I may so presumptuous) never said to do nothing at all. We simply said that totally voluntary measures would be enough to 'flatten the curve' and ensure hospitals weren't overrun. Places like North Dakota that never had lockdowns or mask mandates prove it.
Agree you hit a nail on the head with the " if it was that deadly" scenario. I would expect different behaviour too. That's my point, we didn't have a real trolly dilemma.
But why jump to ANOTHER false analogy yourself of volcano gods?
Yes, although assuming we have free-will (and it's not all pre-determined a la David Hume's billiard balls) we have to have an attempt at thinking policies through, and also having the humility to re-consider them if they prove to be clearly wrong like in the fixed-rents example many give.
If you believe in chaotic variance then the latter is even more important I reckon. Myself I think it's more Pythagorean repeating vibrations layers over layers, and we're probably on the cusp with machine-learning of being able to code past some of the seeming chaos. Hopefully it'll feel more like finding fractals within the rainbow than just unweaving the rainbow.
Change is inevitable, progress isn't.
Yes, every technology from fire onwards can be used for good and bad. AI is likely very significant. Half the time I feel like going full smash-the-mechanical-loom luddite, and the other half I see genuine hope and progress in the area.