I took 10+ years off from Petroleum Engineering & taught high school Math in a large suburban school. This is anecdotal, but I think no more than 25% of my students had any business attending college. It's time to turn off the taxpayer funded student loan spigot. Unless the student is after a real degree. Because the taxpayers are intere…
I took 10+ years off from Petroleum Engineering & taught high school Math in a large suburban school. This is anecdotal, but I think no more than 25% of my students had any business attending college. It's time to turn off the taxpayer funded student loan spigot. Unless the student is after a real degree. Because the taxpayers are interested in a return on their investment. The bell curve analysis is OUTSTANDING!
I taught as an adjunct at a community college. I think you’re probably overestimating the number of people who should be in college. This is what happens though when government money gets involved. I complained to the department administration that maybe we needed some minimum standards for my classes (advanced computer art courses) and they told me they didn’t care if the students failed or not. They just wanted the federal dollars. Not exaggerating.
I had students that needed functional living, who were mentally challenged and unstable, who had outbursts and screamed at other students, one who threatened me and found out I was the *wrong* person to screw with, and several who had their mothers bringing them to class. These students were given federal financial aid including Pell grants and stafford loans to attend class in a program that has little market- which is why I wound up going back to school for accounting. I caught a glimpse of one girl’s loan balance for the program - $27k ($35k in today’s dollars). For something that isn’t getting you a job. Your tax dollars at work.
I taught community college in two different US states in the 90s and then again around 2017. Whew, the students had changed. a whole lot Emotional outbursts. Some had an excessive sense of entitlement. Tears in the classroom because one was afraid of using a computer - despite my ever-so-patient and non-judgemental attitude.
The community college I worked for looked at students as a profit centre. I tried to advocate for them, but got tired of bashing my head against a brick wall.
My advice to parents: Don't send your kids to college/university. Help them figure out something they want to do - hopefully a useful skill, even as 'lowly' as growing food - and I am a gardener. Young people need to find a niche where they belong. You don't have to mortgage your future to do that. Be creative. Avoid getting in debt with an organisation that thinks of you and your kids as profit centre.
I live in Switzerland, a boringly sensible country, and we still have the old system where only a small percentage of students go to college. Everyone else is catered for with a wide range of apprenticeships and training schemes to help them find their niche. It's not perfect, but it seems to work, and there is no sociable stigma about not going to college.
I live in the French part, Ryan, and haven't spent much time over in Swiss Germany. However, I agree - amazing scenery. Have a great time and go easy on the cheese!
I took 10+ years off from Petroleum Engineering & taught high school Math in a large suburban school. This is anecdotal, but I think no more than 25% of my students had any business attending college. It's time to turn off the taxpayer funded student loan spigot. Unless the student is after a real degree. Because the taxpayers are interested in a return on their investment. The bell curve analysis is OUTSTANDING!
I taught as an adjunct at a community college. I think you’re probably overestimating the number of people who should be in college. This is what happens though when government money gets involved. I complained to the department administration that maybe we needed some minimum standards for my classes (advanced computer art courses) and they told me they didn’t care if the students failed or not. They just wanted the federal dollars. Not exaggerating.
I had students that needed functional living, who were mentally challenged and unstable, who had outbursts and screamed at other students, one who threatened me and found out I was the *wrong* person to screw with, and several who had their mothers bringing them to class. These students were given federal financial aid including Pell grants and stafford loans to attend class in a program that has little market- which is why I wound up going back to school for accounting. I caught a glimpse of one girl’s loan balance for the program - $27k ($35k in today’s dollars). For something that isn’t getting you a job. Your tax dollars at work.
I taught community college in two different US states in the 90s and then again around 2017. Whew, the students had changed. a whole lot Emotional outbursts. Some had an excessive sense of entitlement. Tears in the classroom because one was afraid of using a computer - despite my ever-so-patient and non-judgemental attitude.
The community college I worked for looked at students as a profit centre. I tried to advocate for them, but got tired of bashing my head against a brick wall.
My advice to parents: Don't send your kids to college/university. Help them figure out something they want to do - hopefully a useful skill, even as 'lowly' as growing food - and I am a gardener. Young people need to find a niche where they belong. You don't have to mortgage your future to do that. Be creative. Avoid getting in debt with an organisation that thinks of you and your kids as profit centre.
You're forgetting how pampered today's students are. Those outbursts and crying jags could just be them trying to manipulate you to get their way.
$35k to feed the student's ego.
I live in Switzerland, a boringly sensible country, and we still have the old system where only a small percentage of students go to college. Everyone else is catered for with a wide range of apprenticeships and training schemes to help them find their niche. It's not perfect, but it seems to work, and there is no sociable stigma about not going to college.
You live in Switzerland?!
We're heading there next week for the third time. We're going to stay in gimmevald overlooking the lauterbrunnen valley.
We love it there. God's country...
I live in the French part, Ryan, and haven't spent much time over in Swiss Germany. However, I agree - amazing scenery. Have a great time and go easy on the cheese!