Vets (and the young female activists who seem to work in their offices) are some of the most insane Covidians I've met. I refuse to go to their offices too. Another business off the list...
Yes. Mine won’t even let you into the office. You call when arrive and they come out to get the animal. I hate that. The only time I could come in was when I had to have euthanasia services. 😞😞😩. I was grateful for that ability.
This same office just weeks before Covid let me be with my poor scared cat during he whole treatment process. Another vet came to our house to help send my beloved Taffy cat to the Rainbow Bridge. All that humane treatment stopped. Devil even hates our pets.
So true. And I'm so sorry for your loss, Janet. God these are cruel times. Two alley cats were waiting in the wings for me, so I have new fur babies now. There's no lack of furbearing love out there.
Timid little souls wearing masks while eagerly awaiting their McDonald's or Burger King or, if they're not slumming, Chipotle while working at a vet's office. How truly bizarre.
The ‘Spanish Flu’ of 1918, did not actually originate in Spain. Spain was simply the first country to report on it.
In preparation for WW1, a massive military vaccination experiment involving numerous prior developed vaccines took place in Fort Riley, Kansas- where the first “Spanish Flu” case was reported.
The fledgling pharmaceutical industry, sponsored by the ‘Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research’, had something they never had before – a large supply of human test subjects. Supplied by the U.S. military’s first draft, the test pool of subjects ballooned to over 6 million men.
Autopsies after the war proved that the 1918 flu was NOT a ‘flu’ at all. It was caused by random dosages of an experimental ‘bacterial meningitis vaccine’, which to this day, mimics flu-like symptoms.
Fearing that soldiers coming home would spread diseases to their families, the U.S. government pushed the largest vaccine ‘fear’ campaign in history. They used the human population as a research and development lab to field test experimental vaccines.
Tens of millions of civilians died in the same manner as did the soldiers.
Instead of stopping the vaccines, doctors intensified them, calling it the great “Spanish Flu of 1918”. As a result, ONLY THE VACCINATED DIED.
It never really started. The Spanish flu killed 55,000,000 people including children and young people without any pre-existing conditions. If this was the Spanish flu, i would probably stay home and stay safe and wear a mask. But this is a disease with a .14 death rate.
There are actually quite a few theories about the Spanish flu including how many people died. 55 mil may be high. One theory published in journals is that people died of aspirin overdose. The thinking was that aspirin was a new drug and people took way, way too much. Baby aspirin that people take to prevent blood clots is 81 mg. There were reports that for the Spanish flu, people took 10-30 grams so people died of aspirin overdose in some cases. There are also theories that people died of bacterial pneumonia from mask wearing.
I am so sorry, I can relate. I lost three beloved furbabies (I have no kids so they really were my babies) in five years. A walking zombie of grief. The loss of my dog sent me into a seven month depression that precipitated a breakup with my family (it was coming for a long time). The last of them, a sweet kitty, was killed by a - get this - VACCINE-INDUCED fibrosarcoma. So I know all about "dirty" vaccines, used by greedy vets.
So very sorry.I know how you feel. My sister died April 2021. My last fur baby a week later. I was truly in bits. Then the pressure from family and friends to get jabs intensified to I was disowned by another sister and a friend inferred I would kill her and her husband without them. I had already had Covid. Then travel mandates. Fear of shots and the closing in of mandates. I was a true mess. But God picked me up and gave me peace and hope. No fear now. I distrust most vets now as I do doctors however.
There must have been some Vet association messaging to do this or something because it seems they all do it!
I think my vet just likes keeping customers out of the office. His very nice assistant thinks so too. He’s not the friendliest person. I also had to put one of my cats down recently, and they invited me in to the office and nobody wore a mask. They really did not seem concerned about covid at all.
I’ve always thought that employees like not having to deal with customers so lockdowns and the rest of the Covid theater was just fine with them. The case in my library in any case. Holds In materials were picked up on an outside cart. Still masking staff now and a big cheery sign on the door saying “we love masks so feel free to wear them”. Nobody does. Bizarre.
OMG - librarians, the WORST. The two in my library are utter Nazis. They both wear their masks everywhere, outside too. The sign says, "Masks optional" but when you walk in they and their little volunteer slave are all masked up. Since re-opening, barely a soul goes in there, it's so inhibiting. And that suits them just fine.
I worked there for 14 years until 2019. I barely say hi now. A gal I worked with accused me of putting her in danger when I walked in one time when state dropped masking. I couldn’t talk to them until I literally clamped a Kleenex over my face. Threatened. I did not enter for months. I already advised the director that if masks come back I WILL be coming in sans a face diaper. And she has no legal right to prevent me.
I am not sure about some vets, but I just took my cat to the vet and the tech is a friend of mine... and you still hand the animal over through a window (I guess they use the door for larger animals, lol) and do all paperwork there... but she said Covid started it, but they continued because honestly people are a pain to work with, and they hang out and cause issues sometimes, so they keep the no coming into the office thing... has nothing to do with covid, they could care less... they don't wear masks either, nor does anyone dropping an animal off have to wear one. So your vet has similar thoughts obviously!
yes ours just recently enlarged the practice. 3 years ago he just started up in a kind of hangar like building. But I trust him more than any human doc and if sick probably will call for a sick chimpansee LOL
Mine is also STILL requiring masks. We also have to call when we arrive for our appt and wait in our car until we are called in, one patient at a time. The office staff told me it was to keep everyone safe. Right - more like keeping me crazy. Interesting others are having the same experience with vets. My dentist isn’t even this paranoid.
My dentist put up the "masks required" sign when the Dental Association ordered it, but I walked in and out and even sat in the waiting room without a mask, and no one said anything to me. One masked hypochondriac in the waiting room gave me what I think was supposed to be a dirty look, but it was hard to tell with his face covered. Meanwhile the receptionist had her mask down on her chin, and we smiled at each other and chatted. I have a great dentist.
I go in, tell them from the door who I am, and that I will be waiting in my car for their call when they are ready to see me. I put on the mask long enough to get to the dentist's chair, and then leave it off, even as I am paying and leaving.
Same with me. But then I hate dentist visits and this is a handy but legitimate excuse for me. I eat clean and use a non fluoride natural coconut oil xylitol toothpaste and my normal issues have been improved. I eat hardly any processed food or sugar for years now. Less plaque.
With you again there, Janet. You can also swish for one minute with a mild H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) solution - I use about 1/3 with 2/3 water. Rinse with water after. This really helps the gums and as a nice extra whitens the teeth beautifully. And I take CoQ10 religiously.
Yes. I get it on Amazon. Xyli-White coconut oil toothpaste gel. White and brown tube with a 🥥 on it. Use very little. I read from a natural treatment dentist you only need a small glob of any toothpaste. Not what ads show you so this gel tube lasts quite a long time. Natural items stores probably have it too if you don’t use Amazon. Or other online stores.
Went to order a couple of back up pairs of reading glasses from the optometry chain I went to last. The workers are still masked, customers don't have to wear one except when seeing the eye doc. I will not be going back to him when I need a new script as when I saw him he kept nagging at me to refit my mask and kept trying to hand me one of those disposable ones, which I refuse to wear for many reasons. He struck me as a paranoid freak.
We have enabled or produced mass mental illness. Optometrists, vets, dentists. Hell, I took my kids to a comic book store today: we and one other family were the only people not wearing masks and looking utterly insane. Frail little nerds imagining strong fighters with super powers.
If it only applied to them, we could watch and then have a good chuckle. But they make us participate in their fraudulent exercise in ritual shame and abuse.
Yeah. My dentist is the last hold-out on masks. Even my ENT doc has dispensed with them, although the staff still wears them. I had my teeth cleaned two days ago. The dentist came in afterwards and talked to me for fifteen minutes. I caught about three words from him through his mask.
If you're in central Ohio, I can suggest an excellent no-masking dentist for you -- assuming el gato can arrange a PM of some sort between us so I won't be doxxing my dentist (or myself).
I'd love to share with you, but I don't want to doxx my dentist. I'll start by saying she's in Columbus, and now I have to figure out how to get you the rest of the information safely. (el gato, are you following this?)
I have been thinking about that recently. I wonder if thus is simply power and control, suddenly these folks have power. They are power-drunk in their insane position of helplessness
Yes, they get an enormous amount of pleasure out of making, abiding by, and, especially, enforcing rules and thereby appearing to be virtuous. They are deeply confused about a great many things, but their mistaking haphazard adherence to arbitrary and fanatical rules with true justice or virtue may be their deepest confusion.
I'm always amazed when I see this. I have a very, very nice neighbour, truly a lovely person whom I've known for years. She takes particular pleasure in obeying rules. She is not a virtue signaler at all; it's truly bizarre to see. Perhaps it makes her feel like she's fighting the good fight? Both she and hubby 3x vaxxed.
A lot of people are afraid to buck what they perceive as "the system". They are followers of the status quo, whatever it seems to be at any given time.
My vet's office still has the "masks are required" signs up, but I don't put on a mask and they don't say anything, thankfully. This is the opposite of my ophthalmologist's office who are bent out of shape on forcing everyone to mask, even their older patients who are having trouble breathing in a mask. My vet is not the supervisory manager of the practice where he works and when I went into the lab room for him to see my pet, he asked, "do you mind if I take off my mask"? I told him, "absolutely I don't mind!!". I respect this vet a lot and don't want to change, but if that practice starts acting like my eye doctor's practice, then I'll have to find another veterinarian for my pet. These decrees from medical boards about the masking are so ridiculous.
This is the most maddening thing about it all. The utter unaccountability behind these intrusive measures. Who the F is in charge of the attitudes at places like vets' offices? We can identity Fauci, Gates, Schwab, et al., but it is fundamentally the widespread attitude of fear that is the real problem.
Changed vets, because you weren't allowed into the facility way past the opening time of the whole state. (Red State.) You had to wait in your car, call them on the phone to tell them that you were there (My phone would only work intermittently in their parking lot.), when ready for your animal a tech would come out with their leash to get the dog, when done, the attending vet would bring the dog back out to your car and talk to you from the prescribed 6 foot distance about what they found. You then had to stand outside a window, at a 6 foot distance, to pay your vet bill. (The conglomerate that owns the vet office is located in --- wait for it --- Kalifornia.) I was telling our groomer about this (no mask needed) and she gave me the name of her vet, who through the whole debacle never required masks. We changed immediately. Excellent vet, too.
That’s just creepy. But then that is our world now. I have a doctor now that doesn’t require masks and no one in her office is vaccinated. I feel safe there.
My vet is in Cali. And my comment above (if there is confusion) is regarding the vets office - not the dentist’s. My new dentist in cali only asks you not come in if you’re experiencing a fever or ill. No masks. His office tho is the only one that’s ever asked if I am vaxed tho. That feels creepy and none of their business.
We're closer to the East coast. Pretty red state in the Mid-West.
I actually saw one of the office workers one day while out and about. She has since quit. She was there when we started going there and was there when we quit about 15 years later. She also said that several of the vets had left the practice. 🤨 --- Is your vet's office owned by VCA or do they own it themselves?
Vca had a deal with the shelter I adopted from. $200 so I bought him in . He was heartworm positive deal covered everything but heartworm. I let them treat him for heartworm. Then cvd hit and my regular vet didn’t stop us from going in with dogs. Never joined vca
Good for you! --- The VCA we went to was a true "clinic." You never knew who you'd get. THAT had been fine with me, before they took over, because it was the same 4 doctors and they all got to know you and your dogs and you could request a certain vet, BUT VCA rotated vets in and out from around the area. There was no way these vets would get to know anything about your dogs. If you were lucky you MIghT get one of the original 4, you usually weren't lucky and requests were not accepted.
I'm pretty sure it is self-owned but not positive. I should check on that. I have genuine affection for this woman vet (flaming leftie though she may be) - she is very caring and we bonded over the epic four month battle we waged together, trying to save my dog's life. But her covid fear has repelled me. She is just too obviously into it.
Mine still is. Was there two weeks ago and had to sit across the room with my obedience mask firmly in place. My cat got the 4 in on shot and then spent the better part of the week limping, lethargic and hiding/sleeping. I fully believe he was vax injured. Thankfully he’s back to normal and will never get a shot again.
I lost a beloved cat to a dirty vaccine. These are called "adjuvant vaccines"; they contain heavy metals, and a few cats in a thousand will develop inoperable fibrosarcomas, sometimes years after the shot is given. This is not at all a controversial matter, it is a well known and accepted fact in the veterinary world, and yet they still make and administer these death jabs because they are cheap. Always, always ask if the vaccines that your animals are being given (I'm speaking to everyone here) are adjuvant or pure. I don't know who gave Jonas the bad shot, he went to several clinics when he was young. I only know he had years ahead of him and that evil, evil tumor, growing inexorably at his injection site, took him from me. We were given two months, but loving care and CBD oil gave us longer. Yeah, I know about vaccines.
How awful. I only agreed to the stupid shots for him since he’s and indoor/outdoor cat who regularly kills and eats stuff outside. I will definitely ask about the type of shots going forward. Thank you.
Ha ha! I came to the conclusion never to go again after I took my dog in the other day and the trans activist (a poor, confused girl who'd let a doctor commit medical malpractice on her breasts in the name of progress) working at the front desk told me I'd have to put on a mask AS I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF PAYING FOR THE VISIT. I said, very politely but also very firmly, "I'd prefer not to" (Bartleby), and walked out.
Goodness I thought it referred to the fallen angel/devil in the movie Dogma played by Ben Affleck and directed by Kevin Smith. Lol, there is possibly a reference I'd missed there!
probably the whole covidmania should be considered a mental illness. How many people would have reacted this crazy if it was said like this "a mutated flu virus has probably escaped from a lab. A few hundred people had a mild case of flu, most elderly and with multiple other ailments." Nobody would have paid any attention. Only a few already needle happy people would have taken the jabs. Maybe none would have died from the sickness if it had been treated right, and certainly none or little would have suffered and died from the jabs!
I wonder if all the people who run to the doctor's office for the least little thing are all searching for affirmation. I remember a saying, I think it is from Tolstoi, that most people in doctor's office are there because the pastor does a poor job!
My NJ vet still does not allow owners in the office. We have to hand our dog off to a tech in the parking lot and the vet will call our cellphone when the exam is complete. Crazy
Perhaps. That's not how they should be operating though, is it? If you're right, though, they would in this respect be like teachers who, if they haven't eschewed their teaching responsibilities altogether these past two plus years, have doubled down on their leftist insanity and brainwashing schemes, knowing full well we parents can't even go into the schools to see what's what in the classrooms.
yeah that REALLY bothers me. I don't have a cellphone and I don't want my animal at the mercy of medical professionals without my being able to be there and ask questions.
Agreed. I had a young female vet tech just tell me at my dog wellness exam that the increase of heart worm in our area was due to climate change?????
I said really, it seems to me
the more logical explanation is the population of our town where we live has at least doubled ( since covid) and people with their pets have moved from many regions of country bringing more heart worm.
Wow. Just wow. I would have been very tempted to enter into debate with her on that one, except it would have been a futile waste of breath. I like your reply to her, btw. Well. We're going to hear it all, so get ready, folks. Climate change causing autism, causing domestic violence, causing car accidents...we already know it is racist. What's behind all the blame? Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching.
I don't even think that heartworm meds are safe after reading my dogs heartworm pill insert. Same for Bravecto. I use Diamateous Earth now and a special CBD Natural flea and tick spray.
Very true. My sister was going to be kicked out of the vet's office if she did not put on a mask. And this was just a couple of months ago, well after the tide of Covid madness had gone out to sea.
The tide of Covid madness has not gone out to sea; it is just that the waves aren't as big right now. Monkeypox is a failed next attempt, too many of us have been vaccinated (truly "vaccinated") for smallpox and have no need to fear monkeypox.
Yes--if you vet is still not allowing anyone to wait in a waiting room, but makes them wait in their car, then your vet is certifiably insane. Ditto for masks. Your vet should be operating just as s/he did in 2019--if not, go elsewhere. I am also seeing a lot of rigidity about appointments, and not caring if your pet has an emergency. I can accept that in a lot of cases, but if your pet has an emergency AS A RESULT OF THEIR VETERINARY CARE, then they damned well better not say you should find an emergency vet or vet college.
I am having serious doubts about ALL vaccines, for both humans and animals but I definitely don't believe that an animal needs annual vaccinations. The vaccines last much longer than a year, IMO and may cause harm. See Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats for more information.
You're right, vaccines last a lot longer than one year. A long time ago, a vet told us that they do that to make sure the animal will be seen by them once a year.
What browns my toast on both sides is when a grooming facility insists on vaccinations, especially kennel cough for dogs. That's when I get really cross. No way are we going to subject our dogs to that just to get them a bath.
No, they are often not necessary. The mister is very well educated about vaccines (and very much a sceptic), and so we often refuse many of the injections the vets would like to give them.
I know that the doctors sincerely believe in the jabs, and seem truly pained when we negotiate with them. Still, our main vet is used to our point of view and we accommodate one another.
Enlightened as this woman is, she is still terrified of Covid. So is our endocrinologist, who can't resist taking passive aggressive swipes at us for our unjabbed status. Such is life.
We are over vaccinating. For cats, most everything other than rabies isn’t much of a risk after kittenhood, and the antibodies last much longer than the booster schedule would have you think. A common problem in aging cats is chronic renal failure and the FIV vaccine is cultured in feline kidney cells.
Also, look at how vets are now advised to vaccinate way down the legs for rabies do that if an injection site tumor develops, the limb can simply be amputated.
I’ve been fortunate to find vets that are aware enough to limit vaccinations only to what is necessary. They are out there us you look.
I've read that people have found such vets, but the articles were from long ago and different states. I can't afford to take my dogs to a vet far from me for their shots, when they're needed, when the vets near by would be the ones I need to take them to for illness and they won't allow unvaxxed (every year) dogs physically into their offices.
I think they're feeling the pinch, and maybe want the coffers to go back to pre-Biden flow. My little female had a minor bladder infection - the crazy vets said, "Drop her off and we'll do a complete lab workup and you can pick her up later." Whoa, whoa, whoa. I told them she didn't need a $300+ series of labs, we needed to start with the basics - with a broad-spectrum antibiotic, and see how she did on that. Well, that wasn't going to work. So we went to the old grey dude, I told him the same thing and he said, "That sounds about right". Two days and some amoxycillin later, Dancer was right as rain. I appreciate when they actually listen to your thoughts and ideas. Same with human docs. But in answer to your question - it really depends on where you are and also your pet's lifestyle, how many animals they come in contact with. I am in a rabies-heavy area, so I've always been strict about rabies shots, but the other stuff - meh. My guys aren't around other cats at all these days. They run little risk of picking up FLV, etc.
Ditto that!y vet couldn't answer why my dog needed a rabies booster. I said where did her first one go? ( Before we adopted her) All he could say is it's law.
Well… Did you read Alex Berenson’s recent article about Bourla’s handiwork with bovine vaccines?
Also, in Duesberg’s book: Inventing the AIDS virus, he touches on feline leukemia vax, and how the evidence that the disease is even caused by a virus doesn’t make any sense.
My vets know my indoor cats will not get vaccines unless I am forced. Unfortunately, it's state law that cats have to have a rabies vaccine every year, indoor or not, so they hold that over your head before they'll give you meds.
Speaking of dogs only. --- They dose them all the same regardless of size. Meaning if you have a small dog, that little dog is getting the same amount of vaxx as an Irish Wolfhound.!!!
I've read a few different articles saying the rabies vaxx, that is required every year, actually protects your pet from rabies, as measured by blood work, for 5 to 7 years. I have never found a vet that won't dose that way or not make them have the vaxx every year.
Our Vet said every 3 years for Rabies. I said Nope, Never again. I said why? Doesn't it work the first time? It's the money. They develope a tumor or God knows what. Life Long customers
Sadly, the veterinary field is in a major crisis right now. Doctors and technicians are quitting in droves. You may wish to think twice before quitting the vet you have now, as it's not easy to find someone else to step in. As for emergency care, it's a mess. My guy's cats recently had to be seen quickly, as they had ingested something that may have been poison. We had to call around to about ten places before we found someone who would see them. All's well that ends well, they're okay, but their college educations are on hold until our finances recover from their care!
I'd think twice about sending any youths to college these days, given what they've become, let alone cats! They'd just come back with blue fur miaowing about feline oppression in Persia during the seventh century and species dysphoria.
Both my cats are Siamese (or should I say Thai?) and one is a blue point—uh, oh. They both identify as the rulers of the universe, as do my guy's two. It would take a lot to get a cat to accept being a victim. Their idea of oppression is that they don't have opposable thumbs and can't open their own cans of food.
One of my two vets was that way. You parked out in from of the building, phoned them from your car, they came out in biohazard suits and whisked your baby away. You were not part of the consultation. An hour later the vet herself came out - also in a biohazard suit - stood ten feet from your car window and bellowed to you about your pet. I changed vets - back to one who I had gone to years before, an eminence grise who as far as I can tell, never wore a mask. Optional for his staff. You get to go inside and be there for the visit. I should have known better than to consult the Trump-hating lesbian liberal, but the old white guy had retired (that didn't last, thank God!).
He has a very large practice - a staff of something like ten young women, ruled with a velvet-gloved iron fist by the office manager (his formidable Chicana wife), and a sweet and gentle male assistant vet from India. Out of the entire crew I saw one young woman in a mask.
Full stop!!! I grew up showing horses and dogs, I have had more dogs and cats than I can even remember and I now refuse to deal with the female vet techs in my vets office. They are absolutely the worst and want to lecture me on every vaccine I turn down. I have always been very minimalist with my animals vaccines and my dogs and cats live into very old ages. These women infuriate me.
So true. I’ve had two diabetic cats and it’s a rare vet who knows what to feed them, etc I’m hoping avoiding vaxxes will save another cat from going diabetic.
Yep, remove all parts that may get cancer!! I tell my husband this daily but he won't listen to me 🤷♀️ Pugs don't do well under anesthesia and I almost lost my last pug when he had teeth pulled (at this vet, too) I told her my dog isn't making any unwanted puppies, he doesn't even go outside the house without a leash attached to him but she was still horrified at my decision. The real funny thing was when the vet came in and said he was such a great quality pug he hoped I didn't neuter him 😂 The vet tech just looked at the floor.
There appear to be vets and vets. Some go so far as to make you call from the car (I can't I dont' have a cellphone) for someone to come out and get your animal, and then your pet is completely in their hands without a pesky "owner" keeping track of things. But others here are maskless and totally hands on and don't mind dealing with my general mistrust of medicine. So it's worth it to look around if you're in an area where there are options.
The CDC regulates human doctors' offices and veterinarians' offices and required them to take all of the silly covid precautions. I questioned my vet, and he did not like the covid restrictions, but they had to obey or be shut down.
The CDC needs to be shut down. Doctors are professionals who know how to run their own offices, and they do not need the CDC to tell them what to do.
True - we are unvaxxed and are asked by the vet not to enter the building -- please pass the dog on a leash through the door (make sure you have mask on) and return to your vehicle to wait.
They ask... and I think they have a vax passport scanner inside... even though the passport system was recently stopped I think businesses are permitted to continue to restrict on that basis if they choose to. Haven't been to the vet recently
In agreement. I think these vets were happy to have an excuse to get the pet owner OUT of their office space, period. I mean what... are these veterinarians making so much $ that they never went food shopping during the pandemic? Sad.
Right...makes it unfalsifiable. Except they know that - similar to those sentences with garbled spelling that our brains can still read - "likely" is a (key) word most people will 'skip', so, with plausible deniability, they get their narrative across.
Same thing has been in true in 'the Sciences' for quite some time. Step 1. Publish a paper where you formulate a hypothesis based on weakly supported evidence or even just pure conjecture. Step 2. Write a second paper now stating that hypothesis as proven fact with reference to paper #1. Step 3. Revel in the fact that few will ever look up paper #1 to verify (publishing #1 as a quick 'communication' of sorts, maybe in a more obscure journal is good technique). Step 4. Repeat as needed to fully establish your 'the science'.
The climate high priests when asked how much of the last 100 year’s warming is Manmade versus natural, back comes the ‘scientific’ response… at least 50% and probably more.
‘At least’ and ‘probably’ being two exacting scientific units of measure.
SO much "news" does this now! "Might" and "could have" and "possibly will" and "could result in"--all those phrases. Check out how many stories are sheer speculation (and I'm betting not one of the reporters could define inductive reasoning, deductive reasoning, and extrapolation), predictions of the future, and guesses about past causes... Covid hysteria was built on this tactic, but it's been in use for decades.
A friend of mine, who is normally a very smart, very reasonable and wonderful person, is vaccinated, boosted, and came down with COVID. She wore a mask in her own home so she wouldn't give COVID to her cats. I kept my mouth shut.
Sometimes, keeping a long-time friend is more important than laughing at them. I still hope that someday, these good people will realize how they have been manipulated and lied to, and they'll need their good friends at their side.
If a good friend I would not stay silent in the face of such absurdity. Just like I put the brakes on a 30 year friendship when she accused me of being anti-vax
Sometimes laughter is powerful at losing friends. We have to be sure we know how a given friend will react -- and make sure the laughter sounds friendly, not snarky. I have one friend who'd laugh along and laugh back (but wouldn't change her mind) and another friend who became furious when I just asked him nicely to pull down his mask so I could understand what he was saying.
During the mask mandate in Ohio, there was a specific exemption for people who had to talk to the hearing impaired so they could lip-read. No one seemed to notice that if it was safe to talk to the hearing impaired without a mask, it was safe to talk to anyone else without a mask. I tried to explain this to a few people but I finally had to give up.
Exactly. That's why I said we have to make sure the people with whom we're laughing know that our laughter is the good-natured kind, the life-loving kind -- or, if we ARE being mocking, at least we need to make sure we're doing it with someone who shares the mockery. 😉
She has totally jumped the shark. I just can’t feel sorry for numbskulls like her anymore. But good on you for not LYAO. Still seeing so many _____ (fill in the blank) driving alone with masks on.
I’m trying to keep my mouth shut. But I notice my blood pressure going up when that happens. Maybe internal combustion. Maybe I can fuel my car with it?
It would be much better for your health to let that "combustion energy" out. Besides powering your vehicle with it you may want to use a punching bag. You can place a picture of a brunch Covidian in full protective gear on it. :)
We'd like to think that, except many of these people were totally normal pre-2020. I have family and friends who I've known all or most of my life and I would never have expected that they'd fall down this rabbit hole. Partly, it's where you live -- my family in California are convinced that everyone is dropping dead in Florida and only because of the tough mitigation measures -- and masks! -- was California spared. They will NOT look at any data I supply them unless it comes from the CDC. It's just not worth arguing about anymore.
I like the ones that drive around with the mask on their chin. Like they are ready at ANY moment to put that sucker on. Makes my ears hurt looking at them
Saw a lady yesterday pull up to a rummage sale, car window down, cigarette in hand, with smoke rolling out the window, talking on her cell, coughing, with a mask on her chin. It was absurd. I was too disgusted to laugh.
I have family on the West Coast as well. Same issues. It’s hard. I really don’t understand. But I have always been considered the weirdo in my family: healthy eating, supplements, acupuncture, you get it.
I don't understand the lack of communication -- that any discussion is shut down. I can't even have conversations with some people about everything related to COVID or the vaccines or lockdowns or anything. I have made inroads talking about school closures, however, as well as public health isolating the elderly to the point that so many people couldn't see their elderly parents/grandparents on their death beds. I have taken the approach that 1) I love my family and if they turn away from me, that's their choice, but I will never turn my back on them and 2) I will find avenues of common ground and work from there. I am generally non-confrontational, but I never lie about my beliefs. I will share information if they want, but I'm not going to bombard them, ridicule them, or dismiss them. If they ask my opinion, I'll share. If they don't, I can keep my mouth shut. It's a fine line.
I understand and feel the same way. They all know where I stand. They know I’m not stupid and they believe that I know what I’m talking about but they seem paralyzed. I say what I can when they are willing to listen. It’s just hard to see I love, kill themselves. I won’t say something like it’s going to be OK because I’m not sure it will.
I laugh a lot and shake my head. Someone recently said “Thanks for the heads up” in these situations. Response: what do you mean? Answer: That you’re insane. Can’t remember who, sorry. I’ve thought it a lot and said it out loud once.
EVEN NEWER: A veterinarian probably got Monkeypox after an infected monkey, which likely got the virus from its owners, sneezed in her face. The risk of catching the virus from monkeys remains low, but it’s a reminder to isolate from your monkeys when sick.
Love that last part. The cat’s face really says it all, doesn’t it? Even I feel that way after two years of being battered for being in the control group. Shine on, purebloods.
Thank god I live somewhere that has suffered less from the madness. My vet doesn’t wear a mask and neither does anyone on his staff. I always go in with my pets. Would you let your kid see the pediatrician alone 🙄 My previous vet was off the rails with this insanity which is why I switched.
I switched too. Previous insane vet office was all female vets, average age 40, and millennial staff. New sane vet is a sole practitioner 60+ male vet with male vet assistants. I'm a 60+ woman and I've had it with hysterical women.
I was rather surprised at the original vets office because it’s owned by a farmer/vet who has to be in his 70’s. He isn’t there much ch anymore and the whole place is ran by women. I have nothing against that as I am a female however there does seem to be a propensity towards falling for the bs. My current vet is 60+ and has a female staff but they are much more laid back. I’m pretty much over the hysterics by anyone…male or female. 🙄
Yeah, I'm the butler around here. I open and close doors for these regal creatures. I've become pretty good at stumbling around and assembling their food bowls before I've had my morning coffee.
Amen to permanently. Don't live with animals if your religion is Safetyism.
What's always missing in these articles of panic porn: the 99.97% rate of recovery from covid infection for the majority of the population WITHOUT TREATMENT.
But really, what's missing from the lede is "correlation doesn't prove causality." Somehow that never applies to their narratives.
Made me think of Kliban's guitar-playing cat's lyrics but a little less jocular tone to it. If I was that owner I'd be real, real careful going down stairs for the rest of my natural life.
You bring back memories.... During my last assignment in the Air Force, I had a "Love to eat them mousies" poster hanging behind me at my desk. It made a good opener for counseling or reprimanding the troops.
Vets (and the young female activists who seem to work in their offices) are some of the most insane Covidians I've met. I refuse to go to their offices too. Another business off the list...
I noticed my vet took the precautions much further than other businesses for much longer...
Yes. Mine won’t even let you into the office. You call when arrive and they come out to get the animal. I hate that. The only time I could come in was when I had to have euthanasia services. 😞😞😩. I was grateful for that ability.
Why are they like this? Why? How on Earth can we stuff this genie back in the bottle?
This same office just weeks before Covid let me be with my poor scared cat during he whole treatment process. Another vet came to our house to help send my beloved Taffy cat to the Rainbow Bridge. All that humane treatment stopped. Devil even hates our pets.
So true. And I'm so sorry for your loss, Janet. God these are cruel times. Two alley cats were waiting in the wings for me, so I have new fur babies now. There's no lack of furbearing love out there.
My son found a kitten the other week. We now have two cats and a dog.
Timid little souls wearing masks while eagerly awaiting their McDonald's or Burger King or, if they're not slumming, Chipotle while working at a vet's office. How truly bizarre.
The Devil hates our pets, because they are Angel's on Earth.
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amen to that
I read that the Spanish flu of 1918ish was over in 22 months. I try to remind the covidians that this too is over.
From a Telegram message:
The ‘Spanish Flu’ of 1918, did not actually originate in Spain. Spain was simply the first country to report on it.
In preparation for WW1, a massive military vaccination experiment involving numerous prior developed vaccines took place in Fort Riley, Kansas- where the first “Spanish Flu” case was reported.
The fledgling pharmaceutical industry, sponsored by the ‘Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research’, had something they never had before – a large supply of human test subjects. Supplied by the U.S. military’s first draft, the test pool of subjects ballooned to over 6 million men.
Autopsies after the war proved that the 1918 flu was NOT a ‘flu’ at all. It was caused by random dosages of an experimental ‘bacterial meningitis vaccine’, which to this day, mimics flu-like symptoms.
Fearing that soldiers coming home would spread diseases to their families, the U.S. government pushed the largest vaccine ‘fear’ campaign in history. They used the human population as a research and development lab to field test experimental vaccines.
Tens of millions of civilians died in the same manner as did the soldiers.
Instead of stopping the vaccines, doctors intensified them, calling it the great “Spanish Flu of 1918”. As a result, ONLY THE VACCINATED DIED.
Sounds familiar?
Lets hope history does not repeat itself. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel
It never really started. The Spanish flu killed 55,000,000 people including children and young people without any pre-existing conditions. If this was the Spanish flu, i would probably stay home and stay safe and wear a mask. But this is a disease with a .14 death rate.
There are actually quite a few theories about the Spanish flu including how many people died. 55 mil may be high. One theory published in journals is that people died of aspirin overdose. The thinking was that aspirin was a new drug and people took way, way too much. Baby aspirin that people take to prevent blood clots is 81 mg. There were reports that for the Spanish flu, people took 10-30 grams so people died of aspirin overdose in some cases. There are also theories that people died of bacterial pneumonia from mask wearing.
If that. I'd say closer to 0.037 percent. Maybe smaller.
In the case of my vet, her wife was an ER nurse. So, double whammie.
Same with mine. Sorry for your loss. Always tough to put down a pet.
Traumatic. I’m done with pets for awhile. Had to put my 2 cats down in 1 year. Thing is animals come looking for you. 🤔
I had similar experience. Vets are morons. It is hard to lose your fur baby. Also, new cats keep coming. They sense their people.
I am so sorry, I can relate. I lost three beloved furbabies (I have no kids so they really were my babies) in five years. A walking zombie of grief. The loss of my dog sent me into a seven month depression that precipitated a breakup with my family (it was coming for a long time). The last of them, a sweet kitty, was killed by a - get this - VACCINE-INDUCED fibrosarcoma. So I know all about "dirty" vaccines, used by greedy vets.
So very sorry.I know how you feel. My sister died April 2021. My last fur baby a week later. I was truly in bits. Then the pressure from family and friends to get jabs intensified to I was disowned by another sister and a friend inferred I would kill her and her husband without them. I had already had Covid. Then travel mandates. Fear of shots and the closing in of mandates. I was a true mess. But God picked me up and gave me peace and hope. No fear now. I distrust most vets now as I do doctors however.
hugs and kisses to all of you who lost your babies on 4 legs
There must have been some Vet association messaging to do this or something because it seems they all do it!
I think my vet just likes keeping customers out of the office. His very nice assistant thinks so too. He’s not the friendliest person. I also had to put one of my cats down recently, and they invited me in to the office and nobody wore a mask. They really did not seem concerned about covid at all.
I’ve always thought that employees like not having to deal with customers so lockdowns and the rest of the Covid theater was just fine with them. The case in my library in any case. Holds In materials were picked up on an outside cart. Still masking staff now and a big cheery sign on the door saying “we love masks so feel free to wear them”. Nobody does. Bizarre.
OMG - librarians, the WORST. The two in my library are utter Nazis. They both wear their masks everywhere, outside too. The sign says, "Masks optional" but when you walk in they and their little volunteer slave are all masked up. Since re-opening, barely a soul goes in there, it's so inhibiting. And that suits them just fine.
I worked there for 14 years until 2019. I barely say hi now. A gal I worked with accused me of putting her in danger when I walked in one time when state dropped masking. I couldn’t talk to them until I literally clamped a Kleenex over my face. Threatened. I did not enter for months. I already advised the director that if masks come back I WILL be coming in sans a face diaper. And she has no legal right to prevent me.
I am not sure about some vets, but I just took my cat to the vet and the tech is a friend of mine... and you still hand the animal over through a window (I guess they use the door for larger animals, lol) and do all paperwork there... but she said Covid started it, but they continued because honestly people are a pain to work with, and they hang out and cause issues sometimes, so they keep the no coming into the office thing... has nothing to do with covid, they could care less... they don't wear masks either, nor does anyone dropping an animal off have to wear one. So your vet has similar thoughts obviously!
Why are the COVIDIOTS allowed to dictate anything?! NO!
Who owns and runs the office? There is a conglomerate from Kalifornication that is buying up lots of vet offices around the US. VCA.
Yup, the worst.
Whoa!
My long-time vet too. I'm looking for another vet, one who will let me and my pet inside -- together.
I recommend old white guys. Your best bet.
ours is a young white guy and handsome at that. I am an old woman but still nice to see a handsome and loving person handle your baby.
Yep!
Aargh!!!
Find an older non-fancy vet, usually found in a single-person practice. Ours never had a mask requirement. But all of the big vets have or had it.
yes ours just recently enlarged the practice. 3 years ago he just started up in a kind of hangar like building. But I trust him more than any human doc and if sick probably will call for a sick chimpansee LOL
Dang!!
Been there, done that.
So sorry for your loss. That would have been insanely cruel for them to deny you that.
What if….gasp…you don’t have a phone?
Hold a note against the office window? 😼. “Hey you fraidy 😾😾—we’re here. “
Mine is also STILL requiring masks. We also have to call when we arrive for our appt and wait in our car until we are called in, one patient at a time. The office staff told me it was to keep everyone safe. Right - more like keeping me crazy. Interesting others are having the same experience with vets. My dentist isn’t even this paranoid.
My dentist put up the "masks required" sign when the Dental Association ordered it, but I walked in and out and even sat in the waiting room without a mask, and no one said anything to me. One masked hypochondriac in the waiting room gave me what I think was supposed to be a dirty look, but it was hard to tell with his face covered. Meanwhile the receptionist had her mask down on her chin, and we smiled at each other and chatted. I have a great dentist.
Lol that's about the only upside of their silly masks. They can't sanctimoniously glare at you.
You must live somewhere far away from a deep blue city.
No, actually a major city in Ohio. I just lucked out.
Wow.
I keep putting off the appointment to have my teeth cleaned because I don't want to sit in that grim waiting room among the mask wearers.
I go in, tell them from the door who I am, and that I will be waiting in my car for their call when they are ready to see me. I put on the mask long enough to get to the dentist's chair, and then leave it off, even as I am paying and leaving.
The Stupidity. Just like walking into a restaurant with a mask but taking it off when seated.
I have more or less done the same thing. Great minds... But all of this begs the question. Why are we dominated by such weak ladies of both sexes?
We're trying to be polite and considerate of other peoples feelings even though we do not receive the same in return.
I'm at the point where I'm still polite but not nearly as considerate of these feelings in particular.
I have to call when I am in the parking lot to let them know I am there before they let me in.
https://fakemaskworldwide.com/#main-content
Same with me. But then I hate dentist visits and this is a handy but legitimate excuse for me. I eat clean and use a non fluoride natural coconut oil xylitol toothpaste and my normal issues have been improved. I eat hardly any processed food or sugar for years now. Less plaque.
With you again there, Janet. You can also swish for one minute with a mild H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) solution - I use about 1/3 with 2/3 water. Rinse with water after. This really helps the gums and as a nice extra whitens the teeth beautifully. And I take CoQ10 religiously.
Kills bacteria and virus's too. My dentist will ask patients to swish with this before doing any work. Not a bad idea.
Can you suggest a brand of that toothpaste?
Yes. I get it on Amazon. Xyli-White coconut oil toothpaste gel. White and brown tube with a 🥥 on it. Use very little. I read from a natural treatment dentist you only need a small glob of any toothpaste. Not what ads show you so this gel tube lasts quite a long time. Natural items stores probably have it too if you don’t use Amazon. Or other online stores.
Because gas, I recently consolidated three medical visits into one day. Jesus. It was Orwellian. Too many masks in one day. You'd think it was 2020.
Masks were never necessary, let alone desirable, but I hear you. The craven cowardice continues.
Went to order a couple of back up pairs of reading glasses from the optometry chain I went to last. The workers are still masked, customers don't have to wear one except when seeing the eye doc. I will not be going back to him when I need a new script as when I saw him he kept nagging at me to refit my mask and kept trying to hand me one of those disposable ones, which I refuse to wear for many reasons. He struck me as a paranoid freak.
We have enabled or produced mass mental illness. Optometrists, vets, dentists. Hell, I took my kids to a comic book store today: we and one other family were the only people not wearing masks and looking utterly insane. Frail little nerds imagining strong fighters with super powers.
If it only applied to them, we could watch and then have a good chuckle. But they make us participate in their fraudulent exercise in ritual shame and abuse.
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Yeah. My dentist is the last hold-out on masks. Even my ENT doc has dispensed with them, although the staff still wears them. I had my teeth cleaned two days ago. The dentist came in afterwards and talked to me for fifteen minutes. I caught about three words from him through his mask.
I went through the same!
If you're in central Ohio, I can suggest an excellent no-masking dentist for you -- assuming el gato can arrange a PM of some sort between us so I won't be doxxing my dentist (or myself).
I'd love to share with you, but I don't want to doxx my dentist. I'll start by saying she's in Columbus, and now I have to figure out how to get you the rest of the information safely. (el gato, are you following this?)
I've always thought my dentist's office was the cleanest and most sanitary place I ever go.
Nervous ladies should not take on such professional responsibilities.
I have been thinking about that recently. I wonder if thus is simply power and control, suddenly these folks have power. They are power-drunk in their insane position of helplessness
Yes, they get an enormous amount of pleasure out of making, abiding by, and, especially, enforcing rules and thereby appearing to be virtuous. They are deeply confused about a great many things, but their mistaking haphazard adherence to arbitrary and fanatical rules with true justice or virtue may be their deepest confusion.
I'm always amazed when I see this. I have a very, very nice neighbour, truly a lovely person whom I've known for years. She takes particular pleasure in obeying rules. She is not a virtue signaler at all; it's truly bizarre to see. Perhaps it makes her feel like she's fighting the good fight? Both she and hubby 3x vaxxed.
Geez! That's a lot of mRNA
It's sad, it really is. Some of these people are indeed nice, as you say.
A lot of people are afraid to buck what they perceive as "the system". They are followers of the status quo, whatever it seems to be at any given time.
Unless in politics where the abiding part is not for them
Will they ever be punished?
"Good Germans", as an example.
My vet's office still has the "masks are required" signs up, but I don't put on a mask and they don't say anything, thankfully. This is the opposite of my ophthalmologist's office who are bent out of shape on forcing everyone to mask, even their older patients who are having trouble breathing in a mask. My vet is not the supervisory manager of the practice where he works and when I went into the lab room for him to see my pet, he asked, "do you mind if I take off my mask"? I told him, "absolutely I don't mind!!". I respect this vet a lot and don't want to change, but if that practice starts acting like my eye doctor's practice, then I'll have to find another veterinarian for my pet. These decrees from medical boards about the masking are so ridiculous.
This is the most maddening thing about it all. The utter unaccountability behind these intrusive measures. Who the F is in charge of the attitudes at places like vets' offices? We can identity Fauci, Gates, Schwab, et al., but it is fundamentally the widespread attitude of fear that is the real problem.
Changed vets, because you weren't allowed into the facility way past the opening time of the whole state. (Red State.) You had to wait in your car, call them on the phone to tell them that you were there (My phone would only work intermittently in their parking lot.), when ready for your animal a tech would come out with their leash to get the dog, when done, the attending vet would bring the dog back out to your car and talk to you from the prescribed 6 foot distance about what they found. You then had to stand outside a window, at a 6 foot distance, to pay your vet bill. (The conglomerate that owns the vet office is located in --- wait for it --- Kalifornia.) I was telling our groomer about this (no mask needed) and she gave me the name of her vet, who through the whole debacle never required masks. We changed immediately. Excellent vet, too.
That’s just creepy. But then that is our world now. I have a doctor now that doesn’t require masks and no one in her office is vaccinated. I feel safe there.
My vet is in Cali. And my comment above (if there is confusion) is regarding the vets office - not the dentist’s. My new dentist in cali only asks you not come in if you’re experiencing a fever or ill. No masks. His office tho is the only one that’s ever asked if I am vaxed tho. That feels creepy and none of their business.
I was asked that too. I asked the person asking me if he'd had his prostate examined lately.
Love it!!
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Love it!
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They have to be a better vet because they must understand scientific and medical facts.
Bandit...are you perchance in Mendocino County? Sounds like we might have the same two vets! Did they get some sort of handbook, I wonder.
We're closer to the East coast. Pretty red state in the Mid-West.
I actually saw one of the office workers one day while out and about. She has since quit. She was there when we started going there and was there when we quit about 15 years later. She also said that several of the vets had left the practice. 🤨 --- Is your vet's office owned by VCA or do they own it themselves?
Vca had a deal with the shelter I adopted from. $200 so I bought him in . He was heartworm positive deal covered everything but heartworm. I let them treat him for heartworm. Then cvd hit and my regular vet didn’t stop us from going in with dogs. Never joined vca
Good for you! --- The VCA we went to was a true "clinic." You never knew who you'd get. THAT had been fine with me, before they took over, because it was the same 4 doctors and they all got to know you and your dogs and you could request a certain vet, BUT VCA rotated vets in and out from around the area. There was no way these vets would get to know anything about your dogs. If you were lucky you MIghT get one of the original 4, you usually weren't lucky and requests were not accepted.
I'm pretty sure it is self-owned but not positive. I should check on that. I have genuine affection for this woman vet (flaming leftie though she may be) - she is very caring and we bonded over the epic four month battle we waged together, trying to save my dog's life. But her covid fear has repelled me. She is just too obviously into it.
I feel badly for you, because I know how torn I would be in that situation. I wish you peace in your heart, no matter what.
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Mine still is. Was there two weeks ago and had to sit across the room with my obedience mask firmly in place. My cat got the 4 in on shot and then spent the better part of the week limping, lethargic and hiding/sleeping. I fully believe he was vax injured. Thankfully he’s back to normal and will never get a shot again.
I lost a beloved cat to a dirty vaccine. These are called "adjuvant vaccines"; they contain heavy metals, and a few cats in a thousand will develop inoperable fibrosarcomas, sometimes years after the shot is given. This is not at all a controversial matter, it is a well known and accepted fact in the veterinary world, and yet they still make and administer these death jabs because they are cheap. Always, always ask if the vaccines that your animals are being given (I'm speaking to everyone here) are adjuvant or pure. I don't know who gave Jonas the bad shot, he went to several clinics when he was young. I only know he had years ahead of him and that evil, evil tumor, growing inexorably at his injection site, took him from me. We were given two months, but loving care and CBD oil gave us longer. Yeah, I know about vaccines.
How awful. I only agreed to the stupid shots for him since he’s and indoor/outdoor cat who regularly kills and eats stuff outside. I will definitely ask about the type of shots going forward. Thank you.
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Ha ha! I came to the conclusion never to go again after I took my dog in the other day and the trans activist (a poor, confused girl who'd let a doctor commit medical malpractice on her breasts in the name of progress) working at the front desk told me I'd have to put on a mask AS I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF PAYING FOR THE VISIT. I said, very politely but also very firmly, "I'd prefer not to" (Bartleby), and walked out.
Triple points for that!
Bartleby is part of my philosophy in life - drawn upon daily. Especially these days.
What is Bartleby? Is it about the book by Melville?
Yes, Bartleby the Scrivener. He "would prefer not to."
Goodness I thought it referred to the fallen angel/devil in the movie Dogma played by Ben Affleck and directed by Kevin Smith. Lol, there is possibly a reference I'd missed there!
Ummm, Bartleby starves to death in jail at the end, doesn't he?
O Covid! O Humanity!
Thanks for the explanation!
A very powerful short story, social commentary. Melville first published it anonymously. It's very sad. But it has given us an iconic phrase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUBA_KR-VNU&ab_channel=CraigCampbell
Love seeing more and more people walking out of businesses that require cultish rituals for the "privilege" of doing business with them! 😀.
Yay Bartleby! 100% best decline to the muzzled!
I use it a lot, but rarely if ever do people make the Bartleby connection.
It's a true mental illness.
probably the whole covidmania should be considered a mental illness. How many people would have reacted this crazy if it was said like this "a mutated flu virus has probably escaped from a lab. A few hundred people had a mild case of flu, most elderly and with multiple other ailments." Nobody would have paid any attention. Only a few already needle happy people would have taken the jabs. Maybe none would have died from the sickness if it had been treated right, and certainly none or little would have suffered and died from the jabs!
These people are in search of new gods. Looking for love (or "affirmation") in all the wrong places.
I wonder if all the people who run to the doctor's office for the least little thing are all searching for affirmation. I remember a saying, I think it is from Tolstoi, that most people in doctor's office are there because the pastor does a poor job!
I think so too.
My NJ vet still does not allow owners in the office. We have to hand our dog off to a tech in the parking lot and the vet will call our cellphone when the exam is complete. Crazy
What if …gasp…you don’t have a phone ?
My situation exactly. I don't have a cell phone (by choice). Then you get out of your vehicle and hammer on their (locked) door.
Hmm... maybe... smoke signals? Lol
hmm, maybe they have a loaner. O wait that's would make them supper spreaders.
Madness. One step beyond.
I suspect that many vets and staff just find the owners a nuisance and are using covid as an excuse to get them out of their hair.
Perhaps. That's not how they should be operating though, is it? If you're right, though, they would in this respect be like teachers who, if they haven't eschewed their teaching responsibilities altogether these past two plus years, have doubled down on their leftist insanity and brainwashing schemes, knowing full well we parents can't even go into the schools to see what's what in the classrooms.
^ yes. THIS.
yeah that REALLY bothers me. I don't have a cellphone and I don't want my animal at the mercy of medical professionals without my being able to be there and ask questions.
That was happening in Columbia, MO. We can finally go into the office
You have to find someone else!
Let all these crazy docs go bankrupt so we have some sanity again
Find another vet.
I’m shaking my head in disgust
Lol
Agreed. I had a young female vet tech just tell me at my dog wellness exam that the increase of heart worm in our area was due to climate change?????
I said really, it seems to me
the more logical explanation is the population of our town where we live has at least doubled ( since covid) and people with their pets have moved from many regions of country bringing more heart worm.
She said .....oh and that too.
Wow. Just wow. I would have been very tempted to enter into debate with her on that one, except it would have been a futile waste of breath. I like your reply to her, btw. Well. We're going to hear it all, so get ready, folks. Climate change causing autism, causing domestic violence, causing car accidents...we already know it is racist. What's behind all the blame? Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching.
I wouldn't have been able to close my gaping mouth, from the stupidity, long enough to push out a coherent thought. WOW! What a ditz!
These people 🙄
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Derrr. 🤦♂️
I don't even think that heartworm meds are safe after reading my dogs heartworm pill insert. Same for Bravecto. I use Diamateous Earth now and a special CBD Natural flea and tick spray.
Very true. My sister was going to be kicked out of the vet's office if she did not put on a mask. And this was just a couple of months ago, well after the tide of Covid madness had gone out to sea.
They seem to go out of their way to hire podgy woke lassies with permanent sneers on their "justice"-obsessed faces.
The tide of Covid madness has not gone out to sea; it is just that the waves aren't as big right now. Monkeypox is a failed next attempt, too many of us have been vaccinated (truly "vaccinated") for smallpox and have no need to fear monkeypox.
It's the vaccines that you need to fear. They attack immuno compromised the most!! If these ' shots' don't do it, the M pox one will!!
Right? I changed vets mine was so insane, and still is.
Is there a way to ascertain whether a given vet is less insane than another on this score?
Yes--if you vet is still not allowing anyone to wait in a waiting room, but makes them wait in their car, then your vet is certifiably insane. Ditto for masks. Your vet should be operating just as s/he did in 2019--if not, go elsewhere. I am also seeing a lot of rigidity about appointments, and not caring if your pet has an emergency. I can accept that in a lot of cases, but if your pet has an emergency AS A RESULT OF THEIR VETERINARY CARE, then they damned well better not say you should find an emergency vet or vet college.
The entire thing makes me wonder. Do our pets need the bloody vaccines these "experts" push on them at all? Or is this yet another fraudulent scam?
I am having serious doubts about ALL vaccines, for both humans and animals but I definitely don't believe that an animal needs annual vaccinations. The vaccines last much longer than a year, IMO and may cause harm. See Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats for more information.
You're right, vaccines last a lot longer than one year. A long time ago, a vet told us that they do that to make sure the animal will be seen by them once a year.
What browns my toast on both sides is when a grooming facility insists on vaccinations, especially kennel cough for dogs. That's when I get really cross. No way are we going to subject our dogs to that just to get them a bath.
I’m old enough to remember…a dog would live for a while, then die
…vax/chemo/insulin/orthodontia…for pets…LOLOLOLOL
Thank you. I'll Brave that.
Is this Dr. Pitcairn's Guide an online thing or a real book?
No, they are often not necessary. The mister is very well educated about vaccines (and very much a sceptic), and so we often refuse many of the injections the vets would like to give them.
I know that the doctors sincerely believe in the jabs, and seem truly pained when we negotiate with them. Still, our main vet is used to our point of view and we accommodate one another.
Enlightened as this woman is, she is still terrified of Covid. So is our endocrinologist, who can't resist taking passive aggressive swipes at us for our unjabbed status. Such is life.
We are over vaccinating. For cats, most everything other than rabies isn’t much of a risk after kittenhood, and the antibodies last much longer than the booster schedule would have you think. A common problem in aging cats is chronic renal failure and the FIV vaccine is cultured in feline kidney cells.
Also, look at how vets are now advised to vaccinate way down the legs for rabies do that if an injection site tumor develops, the limb can simply be amputated.
I’ve been fortunate to find vets that are aware enough to limit vaccinations only to what is necessary. They are out there us you look.
https://littlebigcat.com/vaccination/
I've read that people have found such vets, but the articles were from long ago and different states. I can't afford to take my dogs to a vet far from me for their shots, when they're needed, when the vets near by would be the ones I need to take them to for illness and they won't allow unvaxxed (every year) dogs physically into their offices.
Thank you very much.
I think they're feeling the pinch, and maybe want the coffers to go back to pre-Biden flow. My little female had a minor bladder infection - the crazy vets said, "Drop her off and we'll do a complete lab workup and you can pick her up later." Whoa, whoa, whoa. I told them she didn't need a $300+ series of labs, we needed to start with the basics - with a broad-spectrum antibiotic, and see how she did on that. Well, that wasn't going to work. So we went to the old grey dude, I told him the same thing and he said, "That sounds about right". Two days and some amoxycillin later, Dancer was right as rain. I appreciate when they actually listen to your thoughts and ideas. Same with human docs. But in answer to your question - it really depends on where you are and also your pet's lifestyle, how many animals they come in contact with. I am in a rabies-heavy area, so I've always been strict about rabies shots, but the other stuff - meh. My guys aren't around other cats at all these days. They run little risk of picking up FLV, etc.
Amen to this.
Ditto that!y vet couldn't answer why my dog needed a rabies booster. I said where did her first one go? ( Before we adopted her) All he could say is it's law.
The look in their eyes (you can't see the rest of their faces) when you question the vaccines, eh? Almost worth the price of admission. Almost...
Well… Did you read Alex Berenson’s recent article about Bourla’s handiwork with bovine vaccines?
Also, in Duesberg’s book: Inventing the AIDS virus, he touches on feline leukemia vax, and how the evidence that the disease is even caused by a virus doesn’t make any sense.
I'll look more into these matters. Cheers.
My vets know my indoor cats will not get vaccines unless I am forced. Unfortunately, it's state law that cats have to have a rabies vaccine every year, indoor or not, so they hold that over your head before they'll give you meds.
Where os this? Indoor cats?
Speaking of dogs only. --- They dose them all the same regardless of size. Meaning if you have a small dog, that little dog is getting the same amount of vaxx as an Irish Wolfhound.!!!
I've read a few different articles saying the rabies vaxx, that is required every year, actually protects your pet from rabies, as measured by blood work, for 5 to 7 years. I have never found a vet that won't dose that way or not make them have the vaxx every year.
And what happened to all these dogs prior to the advent of the vaccines and the ladies in white coats asking us to settle our bills?
Our Vet said every 3 years for Rabies. I said Nope, Never again. I said why? Doesn't it work the first time? It's the money. They develope a tumor or God knows what. Life Long customers
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I found that out and lost my mindm Never again. Told my vet that.
Sadly, the veterinary field is in a major crisis right now. Doctors and technicians are quitting in droves. You may wish to think twice before quitting the vet you have now, as it's not easy to find someone else to step in. As for emergency care, it's a mess. My guy's cats recently had to be seen quickly, as they had ingested something that may have been poison. We had to call around to about ten places before we found someone who would see them. All's well that ends well, they're okay, but their college educations are on hold until our finances recover from their care!
I'd think twice about sending any youths to college these days, given what they've become, let alone cats! They'd just come back with blue fur miaowing about feline oppression in Persia during the seventh century and species dysphoria.
Both my cats are Siamese (or should I say Thai?) and one is a blue point—uh, oh. They both identify as the rulers of the universe, as do my guy's two. It would take a lot to get a cat to accept being a victim. Their idea of oppression is that they don't have opposable thumbs and can't open their own cans of food.
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Been there with the Siamese ingestion. Luckily I found a great new vet.
The reluctance to not teat emergencies or give appointments has extended to the treatment of humans in the UK!
Yeah, I know.
One of my two vets was that way. You parked out in from of the building, phoned them from your car, they came out in biohazard suits and whisked your baby away. You were not part of the consultation. An hour later the vet herself came out - also in a biohazard suit - stood ten feet from your car window and bellowed to you about your pet. I changed vets - back to one who I had gone to years before, an eminence grise who as far as I can tell, never wore a mask. Optional for his staff. You get to go inside and be there for the visit. I should have known better than to consult the Trump-hating lesbian liberal, but the old white guy had retired (that didn't last, thank God!).
Same here--found an older vet who had no time for the nonsense.
"His staff." And there you have it.
He has a very large practice - a staff of something like ten young women, ruled with a velvet-gloved iron fist by the office manager (his formidable Chicana wife), and a sweet and gentle male assistant vet from India. Out of the entire crew I saw one young woman in a mask.
These young masked ladies are really something else, though, aren't they? It's like a strange badge of honour among them.
Precisely. The self-righteous virtue signaling is like an aura around them.
Vets really need to get back to their primary business of separating pet owners from their wallets.
Yes, they're rather good at thst, aren't they? Another bunch of fleecing schemers.
Full stop!!! I grew up showing horses and dogs, I have had more dogs and cats than I can even remember and I now refuse to deal with the female vet techs in my vets office. They are absolutely the worst and want to lecture me on every vaccine I turn down. I have always been very minimalist with my animals vaccines and my dogs and cats live into very old ages. These women infuriate me.
So true. I’ve had two diabetic cats and it’s a rare vet who knows what to feed them, etc I’m hoping avoiding vaxxes will save another cat from going diabetic.
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That actually looks like the one that lectured me on my 1 year old male pug still being intact.
Cut off their balls! Cut out their uteruses! It prevents cancer!
Yep, remove all parts that may get cancer!! I tell my husband this daily but he won't listen to me 🤷♀️ Pugs don't do well under anesthesia and I almost lost my last pug when he had teeth pulled (at this vet, too) I told her my dog isn't making any unwanted puppies, he doesn't even go outside the house without a leash attached to him but she was still horrified at my decision. The real funny thing was when the vet came in and said he was such a great quality pug he hoped I didn't neuter him 😂 The vet tech just looked at the floor.
How on God's green earth can leaving an animal's generative sexual organs intact increase that animal's risk of cancer? Methinks I do smell a rat.
This, of course, is the claim the knowing cloud people and their admirers make.
There appear to be vets and vets. Some go so far as to make you call from the car (I can't I dont' have a cellphone) for someone to come out and get your animal, and then your pet is completely in their hands without a pesky "owner" keeping track of things. But others here are maskless and totally hands on and don't mind dealing with my general mistrust of medicine. So it's worth it to look around if you're in an area where there are options.
The CDC regulates human doctors' offices and veterinarians' offices and required them to take all of the silly covid precautions. I questioned my vet, and he did not like the covid restrictions, but they had to obey or be shut down.
The CDC needs to be shut down. Doctors are professionals who know how to run their own offices, and they do not need the CDC to tell them what to do.
The CDC needs to be shut down permanently!
My vet didn't, even with his obnoxious vet techs. They allowed the owners to come in with their pets and never wore masks.
Agreed 100 percent.
And now, since I’m not going to vax my cats anymore, they’ll have less of my business.
I am dying laughing!!! Thank you!
True - we are unvaxxed and are asked by the vet not to enter the building -- please pass the dog on a leash through the door (make sure you have mask on) and return to your vehicle to wait.
The vet knows whether you're "unvaxxed" or not?
They ask... and I think they have a vax passport scanner inside... even though the passport system was recently stopped I think businesses are permitted to continue to restrict on that basis if they choose to. Haven't been to the vet recently
We need to give a shout out to all of us who are not vaxxed and to those who didn’t want to get vaxxed but were forced to under various circumstances
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Despicable. I'm sorry.
In agreement. I think these vets were happy to have an excuse to get the pet owner OUT of their office space, period. I mean what... are these veterinarians making so much $ that they never went food shopping during the pandemic? Sad.
When evidence is absent, use a weasel word to mislead.
Today’s weasel word is:-
“Likely”.
‘… cat which “likely” got the virus from its owners…’
‘… the first to document a “likely” cat-to-human virus transmission…’
A likely story, if you ask me.
Right...makes it unfalsifiable. Except they know that - similar to those sentences with garbled spelling that our brains can still read - "likely" is a (key) word most people will 'skip', so, with plausible deniability, they get their narrative across.
Same thing has been in true in 'the Sciences' for quite some time. Step 1. Publish a paper where you formulate a hypothesis based on weakly supported evidence or even just pure conjecture. Step 2. Write a second paper now stating that hypothesis as proven fact with reference to paper #1. Step 3. Revel in the fact that few will ever look up paper #1 to verify (publishing #1 as a quick 'communication' of sorts, maybe in a more obscure journal is good technique). Step 4. Repeat as needed to fully establish your 'the science'.
The climate high priests when asked how much of the last 100 year’s warming is Manmade versus natural, back comes the ‘scientific’ response… at least 50% and probably more.
‘At least’ and ‘probably’ being two exacting scientific units of measure.
The S.W.A.G. Principle at work. (Scientific Wild Ass Guess)
It's also un verifiable.
SO much "news" does this now! "Might" and "could have" and "possibly will" and "could result in"--all those phrases. Check out how many stories are sheer speculation (and I'm betting not one of the reporters could define inductive reasoning, deductive reasoning, and extrapolation), predictions of the future, and guesses about past causes... Covid hysteria was built on this tactic, but it's been in use for decades.
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A friend of mine, who is normally a very smart, very reasonable and wonderful person, is vaccinated, boosted, and came down with COVID. She wore a mask in her own home so she wouldn't give COVID to her cats. I kept my mouth shut.
keeping your mouth shut wont stop either the covid or idiocy. laughter is powerful
Sometimes, keeping a long-time friend is more important than laughing at them. I still hope that someday, these good people will realize how they have been manipulated and lied to, and they'll need their good friends at their side.
If a good friend I would not stay silent in the face of such absurdity. Just like I put the brakes on a 30 year friendship when she accused me of being anti-vax
Sometimes laughter is powerful at losing friends. We have to be sure we know how a given friend will react -- and make sure the laughter sounds friendly, not snarky. I have one friend who'd laugh along and laugh back (but wouldn't change her mind) and another friend who became furious when I just asked him nicely to pull down his mask so I could understand what he was saying.
i didnt realise how much i rely on lipreading till this mask bs came along.
there are different ways of laughing, i used to post memes mocking the 'science' with logic and scale
During the mask mandate in Ohio, there was a specific exemption for people who had to talk to the hearing impaired so they could lip-read. No one seemed to notice that if it was safe to talk to the hearing impaired without a mask, it was safe to talk to anyone else without a mask. I tried to explain this to a few people but I finally had to give up.
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Exactly. That's why I said we have to make sure the people with whom we're laughing know that our laughter is the good-natured kind, the life-loving kind -- or, if we ARE being mocking, at least we need to make sure we're doing it with someone who shares the mockery. 😉
Amen.
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I’m not sure I could keep my mouth shut. Kudos
She has totally jumped the shark. I just can’t feel sorry for numbskulls like her anymore. But good on you for not LYAO. Still seeing so many _____ (fill in the blank) driving alone with masks on.
She's one of the many who has been made mentally ill by this fiasco. It's very sad.
I have learned to keep my mouth shut. Finally
Is it just more crazy odd nutty people these days or what?
I’m trying to keep my mouth shut. But I notice my blood pressure going up when that happens. Maybe internal combustion. Maybe I can fuel my car with it?
It would be much better for your health to let that "combustion energy" out. Besides powering your vehicle with it you may want to use a punching bag. You can place a picture of a brunch Covidian in full protective gear on it. :)
Really it was just a joke. I have both a punch bag and dart board. The dart board has been used for years as suggested by Keahi. : )
The same is true of dart boards. Really on top of my game these days.
If you figure that out please let me know. I'll invest in the company.
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We'd like to think that, except many of these people were totally normal pre-2020. I have family and friends who I've known all or most of my life and I would never have expected that they'd fall down this rabbit hole. Partly, it's where you live -- my family in California are convinced that everyone is dropping dead in Florida and only because of the tough mitigation measures -- and masks! -- was California spared. They will NOT look at any data I supply them unless it comes from the CDC. It's just not worth arguing about anymore.
I like the ones that drive around with the mask on their chin. Like they are ready at ANY moment to put that sucker on. Makes my ears hurt looking at them
Saw a lady yesterday pull up to a rummage sale, car window down, cigarette in hand, with smoke rolling out the window, talking on her cell, coughing, with a mask on her chin. It was absurd. I was too disgusted to laugh.
It’s like a cartoon from the old “Mad” magazine or maybe “Far Side”
Cracks me up too
I have family on the West Coast as well. Same issues. It’s hard. I really don’t understand. But I have always been considered the weirdo in my family: healthy eating, supplements, acupuncture, you get it.
I don't understand the lack of communication -- that any discussion is shut down. I can't even have conversations with some people about everything related to COVID or the vaccines or lockdowns or anything. I have made inroads talking about school closures, however, as well as public health isolating the elderly to the point that so many people couldn't see their elderly parents/grandparents on their death beds. I have taken the approach that 1) I love my family and if they turn away from me, that's their choice, but I will never turn my back on them and 2) I will find avenues of common ground and work from there. I am generally non-confrontational, but I never lie about my beliefs. I will share information if they want, but I'm not going to bombard them, ridicule them, or dismiss them. If they ask my opinion, I'll share. If they don't, I can keep my mouth shut. It's a fine line.
I understand and feel the same way. They all know where I stand. They know I’m not stupid and they believe that I know what I’m talking about but they seem paralyzed. I say what I can when they are willing to listen. It’s just hard to see I love, kill themselves. I won’t say something like it’s going to be OK because I’m not sure it will.
I would have laughed. We have to break the mass formation psychosis somehow.
I laugh a lot and shake my head. Someone recently said “Thanks for the heads up” in these situations. Response: what do you mean? Answer: That you’re insane. Can’t remember who, sorry. I’ve thought it a lot and said it out loud once.
You are admirable in your loyalty, I must say.
I will let my cats know 😂
Mine really don’t like most humans so I’m good here.
One of the worst parts of this insane psyop has been having to face the reality of how profoundly, toxically stupid most of my fellow humans are.
But we have each other. It helps me from running off a cliff
Yes, and that has been the best part, finding so many wonderful new friends.
My daily bread.
this biohazard attack committed by these Russian cats will lead us to WW3
EVEN NEWER: A veterinarian probably got Monkeypox after an infected monkey, which likely got the virus from its owners, sneezed in her face. The risk of catching the virus from monkeys remains low, but it’s a reminder to isolate from your monkeys when sick.
No dating monkeys, either!! Not even a casual coffee date. One kiss leads to another...
That limits the dating pool, darn. Apes OK?
Apes - gotta say, I've known a few. Also rodentia.
Yup!
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Sniff test results = LIE (far more reliable than PCR tests)
You sniffed but did not inhale, I hope. 😊
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Love that last part. The cat’s face really says it all, doesn’t it? Even I feel that way after two years of being battered for being in the control group. Shine on, purebloods.
Thank god I live somewhere that has suffered less from the madness. My vet doesn’t wear a mask and neither does anyone on his staff. I always go in with my pets. Would you let your kid see the pediatrician alone 🙄 My previous vet was off the rails with this insanity which is why I switched.
I switched too. Previous insane vet office was all female vets, average age 40, and millennial staff. New sane vet is a sole practitioner 60+ male vet with male vet assistants. I'm a 60+ woman and I've had it with hysterical women.
I was rather surprised at the original vets office because it’s owned by a farmer/vet who has to be in his 70’s. He isn’t there much ch anymore and the whole place is ran by women. I have nothing against that as I am a female however there does seem to be a propensity towards falling for the bs. My current vet is 60+ and has a female staff but they are much more laid back. I’m pretty much over the hysterics by anyone…male or female. 🙄
My soul sister!!
Love the look on the cat at the bottom of the post! Classic IDGAS cat look.
Oh yes. Classic dogs have masters—cats have staff look.
Yeah, I'm the butler around here. I open and close doors for these regal creatures. I've become pretty good at stumbling around and assembling their food bowls before I've had my morning coffee.
The chin-and-butt scratches start before I even get out of bed.
Exactly right. The only thing that saves us is their small size.
I've said it before - if they were as big as houses they would play with us until we died.
That’s how they get CoVid!
Amen to permanently. Don't live with animals if your religion is Safetyism.
What's always missing in these articles of panic porn: the 99.97% rate of recovery from covid infection for the majority of the population WITHOUT TREATMENT.
But really, what's missing from the lede is "correlation doesn't prove causality." Somehow that never applies to their narratives.
I know! It’s ridiculous
Cat torture! Leave the kitties alone.
I saw a clip of draped and gloved Chinese workers PCR testing a ... hold on for this ... sparrow.
I don't think that bird has survived.
OMG! The world has gone mad.
Isolating from my pets when sick is the last thing I would ever do. They are a huge part of the cure - for whatever ails me!
Made me think of Kliban's guitar-playing cat's lyrics but a little less jocular tone to it. If I was that owner I'd be real, real careful going down stairs for the rest of my natural life.
You bring back memories.... During my last assignment in the Air Force, I had a "Love to eat them mousies" poster hanging behind me at my desk. It made a good opener for counseling or reprimanding the troops.
You clearly had the right stuff.
It’s just so very stupid. Cat scratch fever sucks a lot worse than Covid.