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When can we call them State Covid Killings instead of deaths since they intentionally suppressed early treatment and forced the exact same for-profit death protocols on hospitals? The great covid democide should replace the word "pandemic" and bioweapons should replace virus and "vaccines".

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Now. You can call them State Covid Killings now.

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I guess I've been a little skeptical and apprehensive about the supposedly effective early treatments. Not that I'm qualified to have much of an opinion, but my personal experience with covid deaths suggests much of them came about as a result of covid-era hospital protocols and covid policies and hysteria generally - more so than from the virus itself. Not even counting the overwhelming amount of bs data.

My point being that buying into this notion that x million lives would have been "saved" if only a particular drug was used accepts a premise that is pretty shaky to say the least. Suppressing drugs and treatments that could prevent a catastrophic pandemic is horrible, but manufacturing mass casualties and attributing them to a virus through propaganda, murderous and tyrannical policies and a big fat dose of confirmation bias is even worse.

It seems to me that if hospitals around the world had just continued along with business as usual, if there hadn't been any propaganda, if the way hospitals treated patients with respiratory infections / pneumonia / flu / whatever hadn't been upended and redirected towards covid suppression, if lockdowns didn't happen, if there were no masks, no hysteria, no remdesivir and ventilator grifts .... then even more people would have been "saved" than if ivermectin or hcq was adopted and endorsed by governments.

Am I wrong to think that? Don't get me wrong; it seems like the doctors using these suppressed treatments to great success were doing what doctors are supposed to do, and denying them the ability to do that was/is wrong. But the more I read, the more I talk to people about their experiences in the last two years - the more convinced I am that all the things the governments did were infinitely more dangerous and deadly than any pathogen. That seems a more important point to focus on than a "cure" they suppressed and didn't utilize.

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Had they treated people early with IVM, HCQ, or almost anything, instead of sending them home to get worse, to come back when their lips were blue, how many of those people would not been subjected to the ventilator/remdesivir grift and not have died?

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I know it is contradictory I'm sorry, I'm rambly and have trouble making coherent points.

But I'm floating the idea that their policies and protocols actively harmed people more than covid did, and wonder if there would have even been a perceived need to repurpose drugs like ivermectin and hcq absent all the propaganda, hysteria and misdiagnosis that came with it.

Ivermectin or hcq treats the covid disease, not the harm done by isolation, ventilators, fear/hysteria, herding sick people into nursing homes, giving them remdesivir, masks, etc.

I may be wrong but wasn't there also some kind of benzodiazepine that was being used to "treat" covid? I forget the name, mitazolam or something like that? That sounds like a benzo to me and as far as I know, benzos are just going to calm people down, but ultimately do nothing to help them recover (and might even worsen their recovery, benzos depress your breathing right?).

It wouldn't surprise me at all because IME here in Quebec hospitals and doctors hand out benzos like they're aspirin, but I tend to think they are up there with opioids as far as being a class of drug that is way overprescribed and seems to harm the people taking them in myriad ways.

A family I know is convinced that their loved one (who's death would have been logged as a covid death) was prematurely put on painkillers and treated like they were a goner when they were moved to a nursing home at the peak of hysteria in 2020 - IIRC they had reason to believe their mother was recovering before she was moved with the rest of the covid cases and amidst all the chaos and panic her covid positive status (and the fact that her family was barred from visiting and influencing her treatment) meant she was put on end-of-life stuff (benzos or painkillers maybe? one can imagine the patients in her position were freaking out and that staff might have wanted them sedated) ultimately worsening her condition and maybe even contributing to her death. This is just stuff I heard second hand though. But this family talks about the fiasco as though their mother was essentially murdered, based on the information they gathered frantically calling the hospital and then nursing home.

Put differently, it seems many people are pushing the notion that the suppression of ivermectin and hcq in their official protocols was the biggest crime committed by these public health agencies, but that implies that most of the deaths were actually because of covid itself and the problem was that the crisis was essentially mismanaged, not that the crisis was in large part created by the policies and propaganda in the first place.

Does that make sense? Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that this focus on the early treatment protocols concedes the point that covid really is/was a new existential threat that required some sort of novel response.

You'll have to excuse my ineloquence here haha, and my personal experience and knowledge of this matter is very limited. I probably shouldn't have posted.

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Within all the data-noise of overcounted deaths and inflated case #s, there were really sick people. True, damage directly from the virus is one factor in a mess of destructive things done in its name, including isolation and the horrific Remdesivir. But the doctors who treat it, good people like Drs Marik & Kory & Tyson & Fareed & McCullough and many others, and the people who have been sick and never recovered, and who lost loved ones, know that this lab altered virus can do a lot of damage. I don't know how the numbers would have changed if treatment wasn't suppressed, but there would have been a lot less suffering, and it would have been harder to push these injections. (And these new "antivirals"). https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/search?q=hydroxychloroquine https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/sleuthing-connections-to-suppression?s=r

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"Democide"

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I refuse to call them vaccines. They are clot shots. But you are correct. They are bioweapon clot shots. And covid is the common cold.

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Covid is not the common cold. Aren’t covid and the jabs both bioweapons? If they didn’t get you with one, they got you with another?

The spike protein from Covid and from the jab, both cause blood clots. I know from personal experience. I got covid (Delta) in January, it definitely wasn’t a cold and in developed a blood clot (left arm,) a week after discharge. They put you on injections of lovenox while hospitalized, regardless of vaccination status. Now on blood thinners for the next 6 months and scaring tissue in my lungs.

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Agree that the virus itself is also a bio weapon. We must never forget those who developed it and unleashed it on the world.

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Sorry, covid has killed a lot of people who had a reduced immune system. Bit more severe than most colds probably intentionally. Fair to say the gene therapy isn't a vaccine, by the old, usual definition.

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You don't need anyone's permission.

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I don't know how many conspiracy theories have to come true before conspiracy theorists should take over and rule the world (for its own safety)

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It depends which ones you're talking about, but they "came true" because much of it was never really "theory" in the first place. The bad actors on this issue in particular don't hide their tracks or their intentions particularly well, and many have been exceedingly candid. Even before 2020.

It's just a matter of actually paying attention to what's worth paying attention to and putting it in the context of history and the institutions/individuals involved.

It's just frustrating because many of those who might get labelled "conspiracy theorist" and are prominent in that space often go out of their way to cite everything they write about and avoid out-there speculation (or specifically delineate between what they are personally speculating about and what is actually in evidence). Whereas the "mainstream" or "establishment" journalists these days are constantly spinning tall tales, resting on big assumptions, making leaps in logic and reasoning and rarely distinguish between what they believe or want you to believe (or what some gov agent says) and what's actually in evidence.

When I think of heavy hitters who might erroneously get called "conspiracy theorist" I think of people like Whitney Webb or James Corbett. If you read one of Whitney Webb's investigative pieces, she really doesn't speculate or "theorize" much at all. She's at unlimitedhangout.com btw - for the six or seven people who aren't already reading her work.

Some people do engage in tons of speculation and theorizing, but much of the time their work is subpar or uninteresting quite frankly, and AFAICT they aren't as popular or influential as people like Whitney Webb or Corbett. The one exception I am familiar with is Monica Perez. She does do a fair amount of speculation and theorizing in her shows, but she's very erudite, insightful, discerning and has a developed worldview so her speculations are well informed. She's someone that actually predicts what the "powers that be" have in store for us next with frightening accuracy tbh.

My long winded point is that these days, the so-called "conspiracy theorists' are just the people doing in depth analysis and rigourously digging up evidence, cutting through all the propaganda and narrative. Whereas the legacy "journalists" are living in a fantasy land of their own making.

If you're not getting called a "conspiracy theorist" by your normie friends, family and colleagues, then you don't know what's actually up haha

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So *now* they correct the bug (previously a “feature”), huh. Couldn’t have anything to do with the polling report or the criminal fraud investigation Drs. Malone and McCullough have threatened against the CDC (https://beckernews.com/the-cdc-has-been-warned-a-criminal-fraud-investigation-is-ready-to-go-after-midterm-elections-44287/), could it? 🤔

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Ten pilots (from four major airlines)also suing the cdc for mandating mask mandates with no scientific proof they work.

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Why only threaten with a criminal fraud investigation?

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Presumably, they will take it to court. What I don’t understand is the timing “after the midterms” as we need this to happen *before* the midterms, but I haven’t had a chance to watch the video that is the source of the article.

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👍 I pray we make it to the mid-terms, that they are allowed to proceed, that some people of integrity are elected.

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Won’t be surprised if there’s a cyber attack that “delays” the election.

Can’t believe I’m having to say this!

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I've seen that idea circulating. I've also seen martial law mentioned. All have been in substack. --- I just can't see them taking the chance of losing seats. I guess they could just go with fraud. It'd probably cost less. 😟😖

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Yes but many Patriots are now awake re voting fraud. It will be way harder for “them” to steal 2022. It’s why I’m thinking there will be a major disruption.

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There will be a big-time reckoning—provided the votes are counted properly …

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Yeah, that's the one I didn't include.

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Don't forget how many deaths "from" covid could've been prevented by using known treatments since April 2020 that were ridiculed/banned because a "bad orange man" said they may work.

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Or how many deaths were caused by their sanctioned treatments. I know one — remdesivir and a ventilator killed her.

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We are creeping up on 1,000,000 Covid deaths in the US. Biden promised to shut it down. He also promised 100 days....... Can’t hit that milestone in the news so the left wing redefining begins. There is a reason these people swear Rachel Lavine is a literally female and men can give birth......... the only thing they are good at is semantics gymnastics

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No, there weren’t nearly a million deaths. Fugazi info via cdc. Misuse of PCR testing etc etc. Florida just approved ivermectin, NH on the cusp of doing the same and 26 other states now looking at joining the party. What will happen when the cdc has no more scary deaths to terrorise people with. Oh, I am certain they have another rabbit to pull out of the hat as needed.

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Clearly........ I’m not claiming there are actually 1 million from Covid. The trackers used by the news are at 996K - meaning the tracer is will hit 1 million next week unless the redefining and removal of old deaths keeps it under..... so that’s exactly what will happen.

These people are the ones cheering a man who couldn’t break the top 400 swimming 3 years in the NCAA as the man he is winning the NCAA as a “woman” Thursday night. Truth doesn’t have anything to do with anything to these people

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The most serious issue of our time is censorship (well, we're here so we already know that) so the number of people who do see, understand and protest the suppression of truth is a great roiling underground of resentment now--but not roiling enough. Sure, it demands creative tweet-writing, but I'm getting really fed up with the people complaining online about "Lia" Thomas while still referring to him as "her." Praising Caitlyn Jenner for stating the truth but still referring to him as "her." I'll use any name someone wants but it's essential to stop playing all the rest of the game.

Unless a significant number of people start reclaiming language we really are dead as a society. Even my aforementioned friend who agrees with me on this issue too insists that in her biology classes 50 years ago, "gender" was used where we actually mean "sex," and I'd like someone to explain to me how that happened.

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I agree. I’m also partly responsible and I was a AAA and a couple AAAA time swimmer growing up and through high school. I didn’t swim in college because I didn’t want to, not because I wasn’t fast enough. To say I feel guilty today, especially because I have an incredibly athletic 10 year old, is an understatement.

For years I didn’t really care about pronouns adult men with mental illness and delusions wanted me to use. It never dawned on me they’d take that indifference and destroy women’s rights. I stopped voting for Democrats in 2016 because realized these people thought since I used the pronoun “she” that somehow my support of delusions extended to intimate private spaces, girls overnight camps, athletics, the whole thing. Because I used “she” the gender lunatics decided that child genital mutilation should be encouraged, and men could claim women’s spaces, privacy, and opportunities at will. I realized these people aren’t just insane, they are misogynistic lunatics.

It took me until 2018 to simply refuse to use the pronouns. These crazy people can’t even define “woman.” Most hate women and the truth is many men who hate women assume these “identities” because they get off on humiliating and harassing them. The number of pedophiles arrested that claim to be women is staggering.

Long way of saying I agree. These crazy woke people play ridiculous games of semantics gymnastics to accomplish their goals which are child hating, racist, and misogynistic. I no longer play the games. I hope more join us

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I haven't done a comprehensive survey of everyone claiming to be "trans," of course, but for the most prominent cases I've heard of (Jan Morris, Renee Richards, Chelsea Manning etc.), there was serious family dysfunction very early on. I love Eddie Izzard but it's always been clear that the loss of his mother when he was six was a life-altering tragedy he was never able to recover from.

And people like Charlotte Clymer are unmistakeably sociopathic straight men whose need to dominate and own women's spaces while mocking the whole concept of "womanhood." Even with Debbie Hayton, who seems the voice of reason--still put his family through unbelievable pain because he decided this was the only way to work out his own pain.

A society that imposes the demand on insurance companies that they pay for adolescents getting their breasts and penises amputated is in worse shape than even we know.

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But to bring this back to the topic at hand--we're all primed early on to accept cults. There's no "mainstream religion" vs. "fringe beliefs." There are no "pagans" or "heathens." There's just your cult vs. their cult.

And Democrats, who think they've largely become secular, just created a bunch of new cults. Those prayer candles with Fauci's image weren't no accident. We're an intensely hierarchal species with an innate sense of Something Higher Than We, and we express that based on--wait for it--culture. People who've been raised in any sort of formal belief system and who later reject the specifics of whatever it was find substitutes. Hence Pantsuit Nation and Our Precious, the Fauci and the Feast Day of the Freed Britney and Trans Women Are Women and We'll Destroy You if You Ask to See Their Dinglies.

People, indeed, Need to Believe.

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Don't forget jab deaths attributed to The Covid.

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The US has been drifting into its own version of the Dark Ages for many decades now. So, of course the public health data is going to be massaged and twisted till the right answers pop up.

But it won't be just health data. We'll also see this happen in ALL key statistics related to societal well-being - education, crime, inflation, standard-of-living, economic growth, etc. Up to now, these figures have often been targeted for positive 'spin' by the government and media.

But we're entering a time where outright falsification of data will be considered not just acceptable, but praiseworthy.

Sauve qui peut.

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Maybe Uncle Joe really didn’t get all those votes….

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😹😹😹

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Good call TT. But your verb tense is suspect. We're already there! Climate stats, medical stats, crime stats, election stats, and virtually all polling, political and otherwise is blatantly false.

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Exactly. Here in Washington we've been disappearing numbers for a while.......

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/et-tu-snohomish

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Certainly in the 2020 election...

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We've been doing it in Washington since 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Washington_gubernatorial_election

Washington is unusual for a U.S. state in that it only requires that an absentee ballot be postmarked by the day of the election to be valid, while most other states require the ballot to have arrived at the election office by that time. Due to this as well as the state's high number of absentee ballots—more than 60% of all King County voters voted absentee—the initial result of the election was not known until November 17, the last day under state law for election results to be certified by each county's election officials.

Washington state law allows for election officials to evaluate voter intent and correct ballots so that the machines can properly read them. For example, on a Scantron or other optical ballot, an election official might fill in a circle that was not properly marked so that the machine may record the vote.

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Sound familiar?

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Mar 18, 2022·edited Mar 18, 2022

RFK Jr's group took the old definition of "infectious disease death" and applied it to the it to the data and state that 90% of the deaths would NOT qualify. This was known in the summer of 2020. The old definition was in use for 17 years from 2003 to 2020.

The CDC is over counting covid-19 deaths by 90%

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/if-covid-fatalities-were-90-2-lower-how-would-you-feel-about-schools-reopening/

You are searching for that "F" word ... FRAUD.

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Who thinks the Feds are gonna clawback 20% of the covid funding to the hospitals when they cut 20% of the covid deaths?

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Meanwhile, Rochelle "Dooooooom" Walensky and Pinocchio Fauci had the nerve to sit in front of the U.S. senate and accuse VAERS of the exact same thing they have been at fault for with regard to counting corona deaths. You get vaccinated and walk out door of the vaccine center only to get hit by a bus, and they claim you're "automatically" counted in VAERS as a vaccine death. It's such a garbage lie that can be proved wrong in one minute by checking VAERS to see how it works, but Fauci has been lying for so many decades and getting away with hit, he must figure any lie will fly. And sadly, with some people, it will.

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Pfauci entranced every president since Reagan, especially Trump. It's what we get for being so superficial in our voting.

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There is the old, old Radio Yerevan (Armenia) bit:

Radio Yerevan was asked: Will we always face a glorious future in our beloved country?

Radio Yerevan Replies: In principal, yes, the future will always be glorious, it is the past that will change.

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I predicted this last year- that if the vaccines didn't look effective by the middle of 2022, they would go in adjust the data to make it look like they were.

Watch the adjustments- they will be overweighted in the period of January 2021 to the present day- almost no deaths will be removed prior to January 20th 2021.

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Yet Falsie and that other NAZI Douchebag Boryla are already promoting a 4th booster. How do we stop these war criminals??

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Only mass resistance and revolution. Voting in the GOP will do nothing.

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Don’t comply. Mercilessly mock your friends who do.......

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It was obvious from the day Dr Birx admitted they would count Covid the same way they count influenza. They count ILI - influenza like illness. Well that could include a whole range of things including the common cold. Indeed, if you looked on the CDC page, they admitted that only 6% died from Covid instead of with Covid. Don't know how they came up with the 6% number but that was always more realistic than "with" Covid.

Makes you wonder how good any of the numbers are from the CDC. Dr. Birx wondered the same thing when she said publicly at one of the March 2020 press conferences that the CDC data was garbage and couldn't be trusted. But that comment has been long forgotten.

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I just posted that link about Birx. And yet nothing improved.

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I recall Birx questioned the CDC data. It was a self-own. Yet Trump and Pence continued to listen to her and Redfield, and made no attempt to rationalize the data.

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Pray tell, what was Trump (and for that matter Biden in the early days) supposed to do? Ignore the 'experts' they were provided with, and do the math themselves? In retrospect this whole thing has turned into a clown show, but then rear vision is always 20/20. In the heat of battle the leaders do the best they can do, with the information they are given. They barely have time to do that, much less do the jobs of everyone that reports to them. And both Trump and Biden had/have a lot of lousy advisors.

The only real solution to this is to get the government out of the 95% of the things that it does that are not part of the Constitutional enumerated powers. Until that happens, expect this sort of behavior every time.

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But they did ignore experts didn’t they? The experts had drawn up a pandemic plan over the decades, updating it regularly. The WHO website had the most up to date plan. There were clear guidelines and procedures with respect to infection control. All of this expert advice was abandoned in favour of the ‘advice’ from a few paid hacks. The expert who invented the PCR Test said publicly it was for laboratory use only, could not detect disease and was unreliable used as a screening tool. Hundreds of experts from all over the world gave their advice until blocked from social media, MSN and YouTube.

So what were they supposed to do? Consider the preponderance of knowledge, well established clinical practice accumulated over several centuries. That’s what.

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And that's exactly what Fauci and Birx should have told them. But there was a different plan, with different goals. Part of the WEF Great Reset.

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I agree. Neither Trump, Pence or Biden had any expertise is virology, epidemiology, etc. They had to depend on the so called "experts." But now with 2+ years of experience, if we haven't changed our approaches, then politicians can be blamed.

But as you say, the real solution is to de-scope the government.

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Ignoring Fauci and Birx is precisely what I expected Trump to do. No hindsight at all. I put this in multiple emails to the White House in March 2020. First, after a lifetime of phony health/enviro scares from the left, skepticism as to the severity of C19 was called for. And after 3 years of being betrayed by Washington bureaucrats, one would have thought that Trump would have learned his lesson. Plenty of no kidding experts like Ioniddis, Kuldorff, Atlas and data guys like Gato and Hold 2 were up on the net early questioning the narrative. They should have been brought in as a red team. Trump's staff was also worthless. How hard would it be to Google Fauci and find out he was a Hillary leftist and that he sang the same phony song on AIDS, and thus inform the president? Presidents are elected to be leaders, not listen to bureaucrats, especially if they are telling you to kill the country.

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Kudos to you for taking initiative and writing Trump. It's too bad he did not listen. Trump's staff was worse than worthless, they were actively betraying him and the country. They knew about the things you're describing but told him to follow the experts. Admittedly, leadership requires a healthy dose of skepticism.

Until I walk a mile in someone's shoes, I try to refrain from too much judgment. Trump was under a hell of a lot of pressure, and I presume he did what he thought best. He had lousy advice and information, unfortunately.

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Trump had an awful lot of blind spots. His efforts to do it all for such a big job was unwise. But that blind spot included being a lousy judge of people. In business the motivation is money, in government it's position/power so loyalty is the face of a guy hiding the knife. At the start he depended on the experts who had an agenda he didn't understand. Not firing Fauci was a critical error. After Fauci contradicted him in public, he should have been reassigned to help somebody in Thule. One day I hope he explains.

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I concur. One thing (of many) to infuriate me about GOP pols (not just Trump) is their unwillingness to pay attention to personnel. For instance, not only did Trump not cashier Fauci/Birx, whom he inherited, but he appointed Redfield and Collins, liberals both, to their jobs from where they did immense damage. It is literally inconceivable that a Democrat would appoint conservatives to these positions, or even dog catcher. Like their hero Stalin, the Dems understand that personnel is policy. The GOP just never gets it.

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It wasn't just Trump and Pence. They all kept listening to the "experts" who have proven to be anything but. If we have learned nothing else, we need to stop relying on "experts" who are saying things that our own eyes tell us is wrong. Such as, if masks worked, why didn't they work?

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THANK YOU! You're one of the few people, even on Team Reality, who remembers it. For me, it was the straw that broke the camel's back, after seeing a lack of "suddenly fainting" COVID victims (a la CCP "leaked" footage) in the days leading up to lockdown.

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During my tour in the military (1980s) we were advised to "save everything" related to our dealings with the military. Not because they would deny it, but because one might need to prove that money was due, or that property had indeed really been turned in, and so forth. But dealing with the media, etc. for anyone with a potential need (writers, etc.) the need is, as Gato states, that there's a good chance that even what seems boring, routine data will be "rectified" or simply disappear.

It's only been a bit over a month that the DMED database scandal was exposed by the Jan. 24 Sen. Johnson panel. DoD claims five years of erroneous data entry into a major military medical database? And they apparently got away with it; I have not heard a peep about this since.

The "Memory Hole", while made famous in Orwell's famous "1984," is in fact a very real phenomenon. For those who've never read it, it really is a great book, history of socialism/communism told as fiction, if you like. Even when book was written (~ 1948), revising records of the past to make the present look its best was a time-(dis-)honored tradition with many institutions, not only those one would expect constant lies from (e.g. the Soviets) but our own governments, whom we are typically bred to love and not question, were often caught fudging the data too. The problem has just gotten worse in recent years, as we often bemoan, to the point where you really can't trust a single thing that the media, the government, corporations, your doctor or your next-door neighbor says anymore, sadly.

Curiously, Orwell's books should now be in the public domain. He's been dead > 70 years which is one criterion. Perhaps some exception applies. But none of his books are in Gutenberg right now.

"When life and love have left you shafted/To top it all off, you just got drafted."

-- Frank Zappa

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Attorney Thomas Renz and his whistleblowers are watching all of the DOD machinations. You can see what he is doing here:

https://renz-law.com/special-notice-regarding-evidentiary-findings-related-to-the-official-renz-law-covid-19-investigation/

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Ah, coding errors.

As an aside, I noticed today that Massachusetts has modified their reporting of those hospitalized with Covid, newly providing data on the number/percentage for whom Covid is the primary cause of hospitalization. (Currently, a third of all hospitalized with Covid, they say.) Gee, funny that absolutely nobody thought of doing this earlier, eh?

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Same in NM - no longer counting “cases” only “hospitalizations”. The number of phony “cases” were getting inconvenient, I guess

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Iowa was the only state I found that did this the whole time. Now they don't. (But while they did, roughly 1/3 of the covid hospitalizations were not for covid)

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Yes, the historical data is in the flux now in Ontario, Canada too

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