What has me perplexed is the people who believe physicians have the expertise to weigh in on the efficacy of vaccines, meds, or masking. They don’t get thorough training in research. The drug reps tell them which drugs are safe and effective. And all their drugs supposedly are. They only know if their own patients have a bad experience and only then if they return to them for care. It would take lots of such patients for a physician to identify a red flag.
I’m not saying we can trust researchers whose bread is buttered by Big Pharma either. Even if we can, pharmaceutical companies present their data in a favorable way to their partners in the FDA. Unless we have truly open review as you’ve suggested, there is no “expert” group to consult on these issues.
It would be good to know which medical professionals toe the line and which ones don’t. If the results of the polls were public and we were able to see how individual drs voted I think this could be a good idea. I have several drs that I trust and it would be good to know what they collectively think about a topic. I have many more that I don’t trust at all and would be good to know where they stand for the opposite reason.
5 years after a doctor qualifies 50% of what he is taught is out of date and wrong, and none of them knows which 50%
thats not even getting into the fact they are essentially trained by phama to dish out drugs instead of teaching about real health with vitamins and minerals and asking patients about their lifestyles.
when was the last time a doctor asked what you ate?
If anyone thinks that the AMA was created and exists for "the public interest", rather than to enforce and profit from its medical cartel, give this a read:
Most people are unaware that prior to the Progressive Era (which never ended, only metastasized unchecked), all sorts of things usurped by the State were handled privately. Welfare, unemployment, life and a form of medical insurance were all provided by fraternal organizations, private organizations voluntarily supported by dues-paying members.
These sorts of organizations were long a prominent feature of American society, and along with professional certification outfits (e.g. Underwriter's Laboratories) were, of course, far better than the bloated, corrupt gaggle of apparatchiks that now afflict us.
Were government-enforced cartels in medicine, law, etc. to be abolished, private organizations would arise to replace them in short order, and all of us (except, of course, the apparatchiks) would be better off for it.
Progressivism, like all forms of collectivism, is little more than a scam to enrich Paula at the expense of Paul, and bamboozle Paul and vast herds of his fellow rubes into cheering for it.
No particular expertise was needed to understand submitting to a poorly tested injection (untested medium to long term) employing a radical technology which has never been used as a vaccine, even on livestock, for a virus which poses no meaningful danger to the great majority of people (see IFR data) was obviously foolhardy. That was evident to anyone who did some basic homework before the injections were rolled out. And now we know COVID injections have proven dreadfully dangerous in the short term (see VAERS) while any efficacy wanes rapidly.
In reference to your comment regarding "love of authority, and regulatory structure," Belgian psychologist Mattias Desmet discusses the need to eliminate fear and uncertainty by means of rules, in his 2022 book the Psychology of Totalitarianism. In chapter 5 The Desire for a Master p. 84 he states: "They arise mainly from the pressing need among the population for an authoritarian institution that provides direction to take the burden of freedom and the associated insecurity off their shoulders." Unquestioning obedience to the rules of our "expert" masters provides psychological security and comfort, and eliminates any need for thinking. There is therefore no personal responsibility for decisions made, and their consequences to oneself and others.
My field is the red-headedest stepchild of them all, and the FDA (presumably with pressure from pharma) is trying to regulate it out of existence for its “dangerous” drugs while pharma shills mock it for being nothing at all; no hypocrisy is too polar for these folks. Despite this abuse at the hands of the mainstream for decades (ever since the Flexner Report), many in my field are begging for “legitimacy” in the form of approved credentialism. For *homeopathy.*
And yet, when a doctor I know ruthlessly ridicules my work and says it only persists because of the corruption in the pharma-medico complex that drives people into the arms of “quacks,” and says that, in a free market for medicine, we wouldn’t exist, I am happy to accept his challenge.
Let the market decide. We don’t need credentialism, we need credibility, and you get that through competent, effective, and transparent service.
Chinese medicine is practiced in SF Chinatown. Nobody stops it. Seems like a fine alternative to me. If I found an Ayurvedic doc near me, I’d be happy to go there.
Are you seriously entertaining the thought of people being allowed to braid someone else's hair, without undergoing extensive training and passing a competency test? People could wind up with uneven braids! It would be an esthetic catastrophe, not to mention their embarrassment! Causing someone to be laughed at is VIOLENCE! People could DIE! Don't you understand? This is to protect the PEOPLE!
My sister had surgery for a rare type of adrenal cancer in 2012. She was told she might have a year to live. She refused all chemo and radiation and became an expert on how food and exercise could impact her. In Feb of 2021 - ten years after the first surgery - she had surgery for a metastasized recurrence. She again has refused chemo and radiation and is living a robust and healthy life. She has asked several of her doctors along the way, "Do they ever include people like me in treatment trials?" And the answer is, of course, NO. People like my sister are never included as comparators, because the medicocracy wants you to believe you cannot live without its intrusive, authoritarian, and ongoing guidance.
As relates to the c*v*d jabs - those of us who have refused them are like my sister. We are the best comparator group to assess safety and effectiveness, but are not considered the placebo group.
Well, look. Nobody ever really cheered the end of feudal fiefdoms. Everybody wanted to be the feudal lord. Everybody still does. You ain't got charm, you can at least try to get power over those who'd laugh you to the back of the crowd otherwise. You're in, or you're out, and it's just based on whatever the guy in power at the moment wants to base it on.
This idea that we're modern, I mean really. Just a primate troop, trooping.
The LAST person I would ask for medical advice after these last three years, is a DOCTOR!
What has me perplexed is the people who believe physicians have the expertise to weigh in on the efficacy of vaccines, meds, or masking. They don’t get thorough training in research. The drug reps tell them which drugs are safe and effective. And all their drugs supposedly are. They only know if their own patients have a bad experience and only then if they return to them for care. It would take lots of such patients for a physician to identify a red flag.
I’m not saying we can trust researchers whose bread is buttered by Big Pharma either. Even if we can, pharmaceutical companies present their data in a favorable way to their partners in the FDA. Unless we have truly open review as you’ve suggested, there is no “expert” group to consult on these issues.
Shamans predate and shall outlast kings, for mere fear of uncertainty and the burden that being brings.
It would be good to know which medical professionals toe the line and which ones don’t. If the results of the polls were public and we were able to see how individual drs voted I think this could be a good idea. I have several drs that I trust and it would be good to know what they collectively think about a topic. I have many more that I don’t trust at all and would be good to know where they stand for the opposite reason.
5 years after a doctor qualifies 50% of what he is taught is out of date and wrong, and none of them knows which 50%
thats not even getting into the fact they are essentially trained by phama to dish out drugs instead of teaching about real health with vitamins and minerals and asking patients about their lifestyles.
when was the last time a doctor asked what you ate?
If anyone thinks that the AMA was created and exists for "the public interest", rather than to enforce and profit from its medical cartel, give this a read:
https://mises.org/library/100-years-medical-robbery
Most people are unaware that prior to the Progressive Era (which never ended, only metastasized unchecked), all sorts of things usurped by the State were handled privately. Welfare, unemployment, life and a form of medical insurance were all provided by fraternal organizations, private organizations voluntarily supported by dues-paying members.
These sorts of organizations were long a prominent feature of American society, and along with professional certification outfits (e.g. Underwriter's Laboratories) were, of course, far better than the bloated, corrupt gaggle of apparatchiks that now afflict us.
Were government-enforced cartels in medicine, law, etc. to be abolished, private organizations would arise to replace them in short order, and all of us (except, of course, the apparatchiks) would be better off for it.
Progressivism, like all forms of collectivism, is little more than a scam to enrich Paula at the expense of Paul, and bamboozle Paul and vast herds of his fellow rubes into cheering for it.
No particular expertise was needed to understand submitting to a poorly tested injection (untested medium to long term) employing a radical technology which has never been used as a vaccine, even on livestock, for a virus which poses no meaningful danger to the great majority of people (see IFR data) was obviously foolhardy. That was evident to anyone who did some basic homework before the injections were rolled out. And now we know COVID injections have proven dreadfully dangerous in the short term (see VAERS) while any efficacy wanes rapidly.
In reference to your comment regarding "love of authority, and regulatory structure," Belgian psychologist Mattias Desmet discusses the need to eliminate fear and uncertainty by means of rules, in his 2022 book the Psychology of Totalitarianism. In chapter 5 The Desire for a Master p. 84 he states: "They arise mainly from the pressing need among the population for an authoritarian institution that provides direction to take the burden of freedom and the associated insecurity off their shoulders." Unquestioning obedience to the rules of our "expert" masters provides psychological security and comfort, and eliminates any need for thinking. There is therefore no personal responsibility for decisions made, and their consequences to oneself and others.
My field is the red-headedest stepchild of them all, and the FDA (presumably with pressure from pharma) is trying to regulate it out of existence for its “dangerous” drugs while pharma shills mock it for being nothing at all; no hypocrisy is too polar for these folks. Despite this abuse at the hands of the mainstream for decades (ever since the Flexner Report), many in my field are begging for “legitimacy” in the form of approved credentialism. For *homeopathy.*
And yet, when a doctor I know ruthlessly ridicules my work and says it only persists because of the corruption in the pharma-medico complex that drives people into the arms of “quacks,” and says that, in a free market for medicine, we wouldn’t exist, I am happy to accept his challenge.
Let the market decide. We don’t need credentialism, we need credibility, and you get that through competent, effective, and transparent service.
Chinese medicine is practiced in SF Chinatown. Nobody stops it. Seems like a fine alternative to me. If I found an Ayurvedic doc near me, I’d be happy to go there.
Are you seriously entertaining the thought of people being allowed to braid someone else's hair, without undergoing extensive training and passing a competency test? People could wind up with uneven braids! It would be an esthetic catastrophe, not to mention their embarrassment! Causing someone to be laughed at is VIOLENCE! People could DIE! Don't you understand? This is to protect the PEOPLE!
And don't even get me started on lemonade stands.
From kiddies to the elderly, NOBODY LIKES A SNITCH Marko.
My sister had surgery for a rare type of adrenal cancer in 2012. She was told she might have a year to live. She refused all chemo and radiation and became an expert on how food and exercise could impact her. In Feb of 2021 - ten years after the first surgery - she had surgery for a metastasized recurrence. She again has refused chemo and radiation and is living a robust and healthy life. She has asked several of her doctors along the way, "Do they ever include people like me in treatment trials?" And the answer is, of course, NO. People like my sister are never included as comparators, because the medicocracy wants you to believe you cannot live without its intrusive, authoritarian, and ongoing guidance.
As relates to the c*v*d jabs - those of us who have refused them are like my sister. We are the best comparator group to assess safety and effectiveness, but are not considered the placebo group.
Mengele had credentials! I am sure he took the oath but then decided hey it’s all relative.
Well, look. Nobody ever really cheered the end of feudal fiefdoms. Everybody wanted to be the feudal lord. Everybody still does. You ain't got charm, you can at least try to get power over those who'd laugh you to the back of the crowd otherwise. You're in, or you're out, and it's just based on whatever the guy in power at the moment wants to base it on.
This idea that we're modern, I mean really. Just a primate troop, trooping.
All great points but unfortunately I live in CA where the untrained government has decided for us :(
Also fast-forward a few years... What will our newly educated doctors have learned from today's medical schools? I shudder to think...