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“Tik tok in china is nothing like tik tok in america. the algos are different, the content is different, it shuts off at night to make sure that kids stop scrolling and go to bed or do their homework. instead of the culture carnival of american influencer insanity with its impossible standards and lunacy lessons, it instills ideas like “learn math!” “become a doctor!” and “raise a family!”

Yep: China uses TikTok to make our children stupid. China uses TikTok to make their children smart: https://old.bitchute.com/video/MW67NcNlJhFs (90Seconds)

Giving China a direct line to their adversary’s children is madness. When you give a child access to the internet what you’re actually doing is giving the world access to your child. It’s mind pestilence pouring from a black mirror that is constantly evolving to breeze past their defenses. It’s a mental arms race that most children cannot win because the incentives are all aligned to overcome their resistance and exploit/corrupt them.

Right over the target per usual, gato.

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I gotta say, as a parent it is really difficult nowadays to strike a balance between making sure your kids aren't infected by some of the depraved harmful content, while at the same time making sure they're able to use technology so they are not at a competitive disadvantage.

It's requiring a lot more time then i thought. I hate invading their privacy because it goes against every fiber of my body, but my number one job, as a father, is to protect my children. There's just so much more to consider being a parent than there was when we were growing up.

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Trying to take the cell phone away from my granddaughter is like trying to take away heroin from a junkie, only more violent.

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Right?!

I get Linda Blair-like projectile vomiting for the first 15 minutes.

And then miraculously they become angels again.

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I've watched my nephew become the helpful angel, ready and willing to work his way back to xbox time.

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Yes, the cellphone and TV remote are my ultimate bargaining chips, and when I use them I get almost instant compliance.

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I used to think they weren't poisoning our food to make us sick..."𝐛𝐮𝐭" this changed everything.... https://t.co/bF8qbEu9UB

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Bribes! I love it. Could work for blackmail too

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How true

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😂

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All the hallmarks of a good father launching arrows in WIN directly into the heart of the future.

Think of it like this: you’re invading their privacy - distasteful as it is - for a benevolent reason and your children will be better for it. They’re invading your children’s privacy for a malevolent reason and would be far less prepared to navigate it without your countermeasures.

It’s a dirty job but it MUST be done and in the end, they will embrace and thank you for rescuing them from predators.

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Yeah. That's the tact we've taken with my girl.

My boy on the other hand we sorta just let boys be boys.

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Gotta pick your battles =)

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And the hill to die on....

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This

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Hmm boys can be harmed by online porn (not just on porn sites but the user-generated stuff which is ubiquitous on Reddit). And X/Twitter is basically a big marketing platform for OnlyFans if you stumble onto the x-rated side of it. So beware.

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It’s interesting how the risks have shifted in a couple of generations. For those of us growing up in Generation X, our parents had to worry about primarily physical risks (no bike helmets, crazy-dangerous playground equipment, latchkey kids with no supervision getting up to crazy stunts, etc.). Oh, and drugs.

Generation X parents have to worry about psychological risks, mostly stemming from our kids’ interactions with technology designed to enable addictive behaviors and nudge kids into greater insecurities and neurosis. Oh, and the drugs are easier to come by and stronger now.

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We worked in computers our entire lives. And thought it would be easy to stay ahead of our kids. HA! We were surpassed by 7th grade. And so was the school admin that insisted on iPads for all.

NOW our grown kids say 1000 percent when they have kids, there will be NO privacy at all until their kids are adults. They know what they did and know they are lucky to have survived.

I recommend that all parents who feel like they’re invading privacy, think again. Your child’s online life depends on YOU.

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I have never been a parent, and have only seen the effect of the age of the internet on kids from the outside. I have seen two different approaches to some degree and think neither has served children well. The cloistered internet, or the free-range internet.

Of course, the tempting solution is digital id. You can't access the full internet without it. And that is such a good solution on the surface. The child gets fingerprinted or gets an implant, and they are safe. They can't hack in or break in save maybe on a legacy device that does not require it. Everyone would require one because without it, no internet.

On the flip side to that idea of always being tracked and logged, there could be a blockchain id, only known to you, and only you are responsible for it. You could carry it around, maybe memorize the passphrase, and that is a full internet key you opt into. All material deemed "age sensitive" would require that key.

I am sure there are many things wrong with this idea as well, and it certainly brings up some "mark of the beast" insinuations that again are not pallettable, but decentralized and private anything is the way to go on any of these solutions.

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Basically NO. No digital ID nor implants.

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I hate that idea....many other ways to prevent kids accessing sites you don't like..but pushing your responsibility onto a digital Chinese social credit system?

There is no such thing as privacy on the net..blockhain included. Just hand the next dictator the keys to your prison.

And there will always be a next dictator

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So please explain something to those of us (I can’t be the only one) who are struggling, in our non-tech savvy condition, to keep up. Briefly re-routing to Rednote has opened Pandora’s box?

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Good question. Tik-tok and RedNote are weapons of mass mental destruction aimed directly at the impressionable minds of children and teens. They are designed to burn the world to the ground by going after its foundation: the next generation.

So if you see these “app”s (app = 33 btw) as the nuclear mind bombs they are, just imagine what happens when you suddenly unleash one of these WMDs on a population - like China’s - who is wholly unready for it? The future gets rewritten in a big bad way.

Example: One of the images gato provided: “i think my taste in women has changed”. This was after 2 days of scrolling.

It’s devastating. The human mind is clay to the psychopaths pushing this.

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Releasing American influencers on China seems unethical in a way almost like supplying the ingredients to cheap highly addictive drugs to the Mexican cartels and then releasing said product onto an unsuspecting populace.

Too bad it couldn’t be targeted onto the CCP and leave the innocents in their ignorant bliss.

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This is what I was afraid of. My prediction: China will shut down RedNote. I will make sure all my children read this Stack. They already are banning TikTok with their kids who now have phones, but in the midst of all the other stuff they are dealing with, they are barely keeping up any better than I am.

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Really cute girls who don't want to boss you around are the ultimate force of persuasion.....

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IT'S A TRAP!

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Or, Guns, Germs, and Steel--and Bytes?

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RedNote was kind of a Pollyanna app for travel tips, fashion, makeup, etc. like early Instagram or Pinterest for young Chinese. Very innocent. Until the US TikTok users started moving there when the TikTok ban was threatened. Seemingly overnight, RedNote was inundated with wild, crazy, sexy, etc etc Americans.

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If the us considered China a threat they wouldn’t let them own farmland near military bases. the system is Social Engineering Trump into a hero for the younger generation because he’s the guy that’s here to usher in The Fourth Industrial Revolution. And American tech companies are worse than China. Gov. Asks them to lie. Such as vivid. They willingly do so.

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There is actually no difference between WEF (for lack of a better target) controlled China and WEF controlled US they are merely the narrative and counter-narrative. Two puppets one puppetmaster. We’re in a PSYOP to the glee of psychopaths who are poking and prodding us to scientifically learn more efficient and better ways to enhance said glee.

This is not REALITY. It’s REELITY. We’re both watching a movie and are the unknowing stars in it.

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I am an unpaid extra in the movie of your life.

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Exactly. Or supply our drugs, pesticides, and pork.

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I don't have a dog in the Pesticides fight

But you start messing with my Drugs and my Pork and, welp, somebody's going to have to pay.

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Another great read and always a great line.

“releasing a container ship full of leopards into the galapagos could not create carnage like this.“

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And that meme rocked!

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My new great hope is that I can slip this into my next cocktail party conversation.

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I'm not convinced that those comments on the girls' posts are human. from where I sit, the more plausible picture looks like this: the posts in question are not actually visible to Chinese users, but the comments are generated by AI bots to encourage more posting and more feeding data and metadata into the hands of the Chinese. basically doing what TikTok is being accused of, but faster and better because AI powered

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Interesting and possible idea

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Gotta admit that this is one piece of the Internet where I play the role of Hopeless Old Fart who can't stop his VCR from blinking "12:00". But it seems obvious to me that if this actually does cause a problem in China, the CCP will simply shut it down, with all the subtlety of a ton of bricks falling down an elevator shaft. So, enjoy while it lasts, but remember, we're dealin' with Commies here. Just like our Commies, they don't do Free Speech.

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how do you shut down starlink based handset connectivity?

the frequencies are too close to cellular to jam. all linkage and switching/routing are in orbit.

the new handsets are just cell phones and need no dish.

the US starts sneaking them in, creates a black market, and bazinga: it's loose.

the great firewall becomes the maginot line and all the chinese kids are swarming onto US social media.

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Don't misunderstand; anything that briefs grief to Collectivists is something I cheer for. I'm just playing the role of wet blanket; never underestimate the lengths that Commies will go to, to maintain their power. Everything you say is true, but that might not prevent the CCP from very publicly and very brutally punishing anyone caught with an "illegal" phone. Even if they only catch 1 in 100 users, they'll rely on fear and intimidation to discourage their use.

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the russians tried this at first too and it just made levis and american cigarettes more coveted.

it's a really hard fight to win once the folks catch a whiff of the outside world.

and it's very hard to sustain regime legitimacy while sending kids to gulag for watching instagrams about fashion and workout tips.

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And hopefully, that's what happens here. But I just want to cautiously remind everyone that the Chinese aren't the Russians. The Berlin Wall, and to some extent, the Warsaw Pact itself, collapsed because, ultimately, East German/Czechoslovakian/Hungarian soldiers wouldn't fire on their own citizens. We *know* that the Chinese Communists don't have that problem.

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Yet. The Russians didn’t have that problem early on, either.

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Biology is drama

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yes, quite possible - and quite likely - but it could also be the thing that finally proves to be their undoing.

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easy, CCP simply makes the possession of starlink handset an instant death sentence. Works well in N, Korea.

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Listen my dear old farts, from another old fart...red note will quickly be made one way only if it isn't already.

This is the country that allows kids only 2 hours on the net, Wednesday nights. Not only do they turn off your game if you are 16 or below, they also debit the parents account or cancel any travel plans for members of the family..the penalties increase if your kid keeps doing it, and you dont supervise.

This is what a digital ID and a digital world is what our masters are pushing us into...for our safety ( starting with biom3tric IDs to keep the illegals out or to protect our kids from the dreaded internet (like one father above wants already).

We are gonna have to make some sacrifices. Or welcome to hotel California...once you get a digital id ( like airport scan, phone scan to unlock etc....you can never leave.

You do know that your smart phone does a data dump every night..can5 b3ct7rn3d off...everything youbdone that day gets uploaded and ayour record. record.

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Tianamen - 1989...

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Where do I get a green Lamborghini with a cat chauffeur? I need it. All I do is buy stupid shit on the Internet…. and I don’t even have TikTok.

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I believe the answer to that is TEMU.

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Sorry. I'm a missing something? Are you advocating for banning TikTok or just implementing an American version. I understand it's power and downside. Just want to clarify.

My apologies I have a few cobwebs after hosting an inauguration party.

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i'm not advocating either.

i'm expressing the view that the US is way ahead in the memetic message wars and that plopping them into china is like taking a cat evolved in african jungle and letting it loose in new zealand where there birds can't fly.

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You could just release my MIL in New Zealand and the cats would be desperately looking for the first boat back to the jungle.

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inauguration party? sounds fun!

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It ain't right now. But i live by the "Toby Keith" ethos.

I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm good once as I ever was.

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😂 feelin’ bulletproof

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NM. Reread. Got the "message"

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Interesting. I read elsewhere that one potential "ulterior motive" behind steering American teens onto Rednote is to expose them to a whitewashed and therefore glorified version of the Chinese lifestyle. Some American "influencers" are now claiming that they have been lied to about how bad China is, and that it's actually superior to America in terms of cost and ease of living. Of course, the whole point of that is to normalize and glorify Communism, censorship and everything that goes along with it.

Funny to think that this goal may have backfired horribly on the perpetrators ...

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I remember when Rush Limbaugh said the best way for us to defeat our enemies is to export liberalism.

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Too funny, Cat!

Helped me get over my disappointment that Adam Schiff hasn't been hanged yet.

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there's always tar and feathers.

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You're right. That would warm him up on a cold day like today!

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If all cultures are equal in dignity and worth, then cultural influence from China on USA cannot be bad. And vice versa. Yet, somehow people from either place seem to think this is so.

Perhaps all cultures are not equal in dignity and worth, then? If so, then not all humans are either, since all humans come from one culture or another.

On the other hand, if "the market" is left to its own devices, supposedly the best result is what >ahem< results. And yet - there has been no dearth of support for state and government interference in people's free choice of platform and content.

How weird. I distinctly remember lots of criticism against private capitalist providers of services colluding with state and government, both in gatekeeper-functions and in "content moderation" (i.e. censorship).

Perhaps the adherence to alleged universal values, norms, and principles is just skin deep?

Or is it so trite as it seems, that it's all "okay when it's my side doing it"?

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So, it almost sounds as if you are saying: "America may really be the great satan."

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america is a memetic jungle with stronger ecosystem stressors and competitive demands and so it's output can sweep aside memes from more sterile and less selective ecosystems.

this says nothing about whether they are good or bad.

levis were not statanic for taking down the USSR.

influencers are just people with rarified marketing messages, some good, some bad, some inspirational, some aspirational; but it's a helluva thing to experience at cask strength if you've never seen it before.

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if you live long enough you realize your enemies had a point

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I’d say America is controlled by the great Satan.

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"levis did more to undermine the soviet union than the CIA."

I swear to God I thought that before I was maybe three paragraphs in.

And now we got Xi outfoxed by tweenies. I didn't expect I would have my Tuesday begin more gloriously than my Monday did but geez. Karma on some hell of a tear.

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My sense about the reasons why the Soviet Union dissolved: It was bankrupt (much like the US financial system is presently). The reasons for why the Soviet economic structure failed is complex (beyond the fact that competing with the capitalist west was impossible in the long term). The other reason, the same one that our gatito alludes to today is the advent of television becoming a consumer item in Soviet Russia. It was at this point that the man on the street saw state-controlled film footage of the Vietnam war-era protests and these scenes included flag burning and civil "disobedience" acts. What the Soviet viewing public actually saw was that the US had a system of government that had an allowance for protest that enabled the populace the right to protest without getting shot (except the Kent State incident). In the midst of these segments of examination of the west, one could also get a peek at the "lavish" (appearing) lifestyle of westerners. These two things were actually very influential in sowing the seeds of dissatisfaction amongst the Russian citizenry. Unfortunate for Gorbachev.

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I wrote a really long response but have deleted it. I think it's pretty simple in the end. There's no place like America and when our culture seeps or barges its way into other places, those people, you know, just can't handle it.

And of course it's very bad for us in return when other people try to insidiously or boldly force their cultures on us. There's no happy modernity or freedom to a girl in jeans with a hijab on her head.

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Moral of the story:

I've been a bad host, I should have bought my cat a car years ago!!

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A car for every cat, a cat for every home!

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If they were somehow able to get OnlyFans into Chinese social media, we could cut the trade deficit in half in two months.

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Can't wait to see the effect on American girls. Who's going to bother with a guy who's opening line is "Yo, bitch." when there are Chinese boys writing elegies to their grace and beauty?

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Either a Chinese boy writing an elegy, or asking for an elegy from Chat GBT.

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Try it and see what you get. Otherwise, who knows.

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