Right at the time? A medication of a type never before used widely in human recommended to the entire population of people who have their reproductive years ahead of them? Recommending to all folks who had < 20 expected life years remaining was one thing, recommending to all young people with no long term safety data was about as reckless as can be fathomed.
“Going by what we knew then, we were right.” Uhh, no. You didn’t know anything then. You just took your Jersey off and put it back on inside out. You look ridiculous.
"Hey, I don't know what this will do, but let's inject it into kids and see what happens! And let's give people nervous breakdowns if the ask questions or refuse! It may help!"😒
I've heard variations of this argument throughout the pandemic. Like people excusing lockdowns because "we just didn't know how bad it was at the time." Yes we did. The virus was already here as early as November in the states, and most likely, was out worldwide. Also, regardless of what we knew, shouldn't the default position be to not fix it if we don't know how broken it is?
The mantra "We are in this together" is another one that gets me...because it is an insidious accusation. Because if we "aren't" in this together, the implication is that we are the enemy.
Don't let you karma be drawn to negative like for all the narcissistic legs and arms of the moloch that are responsible for death by collateral damage and crippled immune systems and spilt-up families, most still engulfed in the mass formation psychosis.
But tell people what to do :
use democratic measures whatever you want to achieve.
Safe, efficient, available and cheap.
(Against virus, it is easy. Against warlords, and weapons (industry), bit challenging. NOT by producing more weapons, tells history in a very drastic way.
Against climate change: possible.
Do find 10-20 people cooperating in a challenging mode: who achieves the shortest amortization.
The one investing 1€/m². We will come to DIY solar panels ;=)
We've got to give these people an off-ramp. We know they know it's bullshit to say the facts are only clear in hindsight; they know we know they know. But if we want to move forward in a way that avoids these mistakes in future we have to allow them the opportunity to admit them without being crucified for it.
If people fear that public vilification awaits them they will double down on these decisions. And that is a far worse prospect than allowing them to claim they didn't have access to all the facts at the time.
So what will prevent them to run the same scam once more? The public opinion? Give me a break.
I am not saying going full guillotines, lamposts and shooting platoons against them but some of the highest placed perpetrators need to be held to account. The lower ranked idiots that didn't suspect much or maybe got paid to hide the truth here and there can avoid "crucifixion". But they have to repent and attack the ones above them. Let them blame their superiors. Fine. But some heads must fall. And the whole bureaucracy and government system must be rethought and redesigned. Can we start with no career politicians and no political parties for start. One mandate in lower rank political echalons: mayor's, councilors. One mandate in higher ranked ones: senators, governors. One mandate in the highest ones: members of governments or presidents. That's it. Then you are done. Not allowed to lobby. Not allowed a public office. Etc. And mandates reduced to two years tops. I'd also put all those psychologists to work. Find us a test that has a high enough chance of detecting psychopathic traits in small children and everyone should take the test at such an young age so they can't cheat. Any chance you can grow and become a psychopath, no politics or public office for you. Regardless of how smart you are.
Some thumping painful justice MUST RAIN DOWN ON the top of the heap of this evil. If only for the damage to children. They have nearly normalized freekin child sacrifice. I am not obliged to forgive utter evil in any way. Nope. Not going there.
No, no, nobody wants that. Believe me. I'd be a warlord that would only be fun as long as I was YOUR warlord. I'd have a praetorian guard surrounding me within months of taking office and I wouldn't go peacefully because I'd have nothing to lose.
Guttermouth for sheriff, maybe. Give me flexible power with limited scope elected by a community small enough to know me personally. Then I'm your girl.
What you're describing is atrocious. We are better than that. Who would determine guilt or culpability without due process?
You would end up with firing squads killing entire families, or random bystanders who happened to be standing in the way. These are not the values I would ever hope to uphold in a new society. Reform requires truth and reconciliation. And yes, justice for a few bad actors. But for most of everyone involved we need to find a way to move forward that is non-violent and allows for cohesion in society.
We’ve tried kissing the ass of scumbags. It hasn’t worked. As for who will determine guilt or culpability, their own words will do so. We have everyone’s opinion right out in the open on Twitter, etc. Look around you. You’re seeing the result of appeasement and “compromise” everywhere you look.
Rewarding for achievements like manipulating others and showing intelligence and compliance with the system as long as it delivers what you want, and not for overcoming weaknesses like true empathy missing...
Watch TheHighWire at com latest interview with Perf. Desmet.
“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
"And the whole bureaucracy and government system must be rethought and redesigned. "
This above all I agree with. It needs to be restructured from the ground up. We need to question just about everything, and I'm not sure how far we should go back. We need as small government as possible. And we need to make sure that the checks and balances baked into our Constitution be as overt as ever.
As far as testing to determine psychopathic traits, how about make the incentives for running for public office be such that they are not attractive to psychopaths and sociopaths and those with a tendency towards authoritarianism? It's like the guy who is way too passionate about going on outings with children. That would be what I consider a red flag. If someone wants to and has always talked about running for political office, that is a red flag that somewhere along the line, as a citizen, it's not going to end well.
Plus we got to find a way to get rid of the evergreen people in office, the unelected. Fauci needs to be held to account and removed from his job.
The ancient Athenian system of choosing officials by lot from the whole citizenry is the way to go. Make all decisions by boards of ten or so, and the occasional nut can be outvoted.
If this system is good enough for juries that can decide whether people can be executed, it should be good enough for other decisions. Anyone who has served on a jury knows they can largely be relied on.
Maybe you could do some reading of books by people who predicted exactly the current metastasized bureaucratic state. Putting people under house arrest without trial or jury. Hmm. That's the opposite of what?
Liberty. Hmm maybe I should read something by people who have warned about what happens when we have not enough liberty.
Hmm maybe I'll start with the libertarians?
Hoppe - Democracy: The God That Failed
Rothbard - Man, Economy and State
Mises - Bureaucracy
Etienne de la Boetie - The Politics of Obedience
Frederic Bastiat - The Law
That's a start. All free just a websearch away from you!
Thank you for the recommendations. The thing is, the mere existence of the Constitution is a prediction of the current metastasized bureaucratic state. It's not by accident that these checks and balances were spelled out as well as an assertion that the citizens have the right to rebel against the government. You don't need to read those books to get an indicator of future developments. However, my education is ongoing and my naivete is limitless.
If we survive and win this in order to ensure that it never happens again we have to do to them all psychos what the eskimos do to their "kunlangeta" - a one way walk on thin ice.
Except, if they did admit they screwed up, they wouldn't be crucified for it. We don't have to provide them an offramp that isn't already provided. Weren't we taught over and over as children to own up to things? And yet here we are.
It's more than fear of vilification that kept them on this track. They were using the sunk cost logical fallacy. They figured they already invested a lot of time and effort in this course of action and thus, it must continue. They have already doubled down on these decisions, many times over the past two years. Every time their critics were silenced, every time dissent was discredited, any time we were met with mantras instead of science, this is where they have made it impossible for them not to be disparaged.
Perhaps there is some truth in that. But we also need to make everyone aware how obviously horrible these decisions were. If we don't then these incompetent clowns will keep their jobs and perform similarly badly in the future.
I think that just compounds the error and the damage that they are still wreaking right now.
Moving forward, I think it is important for the unvaxxed to organize so as to readily recognize each other for mutual cooperative benefit and finding undamaged partners for creating families.
It is unfortunately too late to save people who were gulled into making their big mistake, (barring some miraculous discoveries by the real doctors who are being censored and extinguished by the powers behind this Plandemic right now.). Maybe their unvaxxed children can be saved, but we don’t even know if they are being already fatally contaminated by “shedding.” Such is the nightmare we have descended into, while incurious fools threw away factual warnings with both hands.
But for sure people who are still unvaxxed should be communicating that fact and valuing each other as the ones who will be carrying the human possibility into the post-NWO future.
The only off-ramp these dissembling scumbags deserve is one that empties into a pit. These scumbags always get off the hook, which is why they keep using your kids as test dummies. They need to hang and twist on the hook for all to see, for all time.
Then let them double-down. And tripple-down. At some point the chasm between narrative and reality becomes unbridgeable. There needs to be a price for failure of this magnitude, and it needs to be decided in the courts.
Its more important to me that this doesn't happen again.
From that standpoint, the target of our ire should be the broken system of institutions. The question is, will giving the individuals responsible an off-ramp mean leaving those institutions unchanged?
you avoid full ridicule by taking full accountability for your actions and acknowledging how and why you made stupid decisions. until that is done stupid decisions will continue because they won't know why they made stupid decisions.
Wanting justice is not being hysterical or idealistic.
There are a nontrivial number of people whose actions killed and brutalized humans. How do you imagine this wonderful pragmatic victory of yours where no one's actions have consequences?
I heard in a small interview with WHO Tedros, where he claimed the jabs should have only been given to people at high risk, and to older people. He said this, when the US approved the jabs for children. He literally said, don't give this to your children you will poison them. These jabs are meant for old people. If this had happened, the virus would long be over, because the jabs might have protected some elderly, and the rest of the people would have had a mild case of flu and we would now have the herd immunity for real - everyone had it and then the virus dies off.
The UK person supposed to organise the jab programmes, Kate Bingham, said in late 2020 that they would only be given to frail old people. Then it somehow expanded to all adults and many children, although I read that 20 M remain (out of 68-70 M people in the UK) who didn't fall for it.
Bingham's husband, an MP, was sacked as a government minister. This was possibly for making a fuss about the new 'jab everybody' policy Gates/WHO had ordered them to follow. I don't know more details and I'm making the assumption that Gates/WHO were issuing orders. Nothing else seems to explain the events very well.
What an excellent point Ingrid. Community-wide naturally acquired post infection immunity would have been achieved with less mortality by doing nothing. NOT EVEN INJECTING THE ELDERLY. PERIOD. C19 was NEVER an existential health threat but always a threat to our previously known way of life. All done to foist digital biometric control over everyone to decide who gets what and when and where.
Of course NO EARLY TREATMENT and fauci favorite profitable remdisivir snd vents made this worse. My SIL did not barely survive Covid per se. she barely survived remdisivir and a vent.
Long about August 2020 I looked at the detailed numbers for Washington State and came to the conclusion that if everyone age 0-40 had been *deliberately infected* with Covid, everyone 40-60 had just lived their lives normally, and everyone 60+ had stayed home, we would have already gotten to herd immunity with fewer deaths.
Yep. Our actual hospital utilization remained flat the entire 'pandemic' -- and that utilization was so embarassingly low they had to move the goalposts, multiple times.
That would normally be an excellent point - if the jab had been to prevent Covid deaths. With all the information coming out now about sperm motility, myocarditis, etc. this is way more than a jab to stop Covid. Dr. Christiane Northrup who used to be on PBS (not now!) said it's a "depopulation" shot. What it is, is genocide. I believe the WHO is deflecting blame because they supported China in the beginning.
Your point is an excellent one, given one set of facts, though.
Right. There is something more going on then meets the eye. I usually don't pay much attention to conspiracy theories, but this time the theories have all come true, so now I follow them closely, and leave the door open just in case !
A proper analysis of relative harm would calculate “life-years lost”. A 20 year old who dies of myocardial inflammation lost 55 years of life. A nursing home patient lost 6 months of life. So the dead 20 year old lost 110x as many life years. The deaths from vaccines caused vastly more lost life than the virus. And the lockdowns, which will kill millions of lives in places like Africa due to increased poverty, will kill more than the virus and vaccines combined .
and all the people who are no longer able to have children, and all the children that will die from horrible diseases, and probably the ones that survive, unable to conceive.
I agree, but in addition to the above, the life years of the potential future children of the 20 year old would also be lost if the 20 year old dies or has some type of fertility issue. The old people have no direct impact on future births.
I wonder what the ratio will be, between the actual covid death tally vs. the deaths caused globally, as a direct result of the destructive measures over the last two years?
Not a good ratio. Not good at all.
The carnage is everywhere and they can't escape it. It will only become more visible over time.
I tell them to keep watching. And politely provide brief updates with no expectation of a dialogue.
If appropriate I'll ask them how the feel about that.
That question woke a lot of my friends up.
They knew, but had to be told. They know now, if there is a re-run, that they weren't just complacent, rather they will be judged as complicit.
I also patronize by saying, he buddy, you figured it out sooner than others, etc., etc.
The goal is not to get them to repent. The goal is for them to internalize why this can never be REPEATED again.
So apparently the Dutch government actually commissioned a QALY study in February of 2020 to look at lockdowns which resulted in an estimated net loss of 500,000 QALYs. This was revealed thanks to a FOIA request a year later. You may remember we were one of the last European countries to lock down and were neck and neck with the UK running for herd immunity. Somewhere along about the same week, both governments caved and the damage started piling up exactly as predicted. We may never know what the reasoning was, but two and a half years and about a million shenanigans later, I still wonder if it wasn't the WEF plan all along and all our politicians were just pretending they hadn't sold out their countries years ago.
Never forget that Gates said in a 'Ted' Talk, we have to have universal (global) vaccines for population control. I am paraphrasing, but believe you can still find it on UTube.
yes I saw that too. And he predicted another huge pandemic for 2025 so at least we are warned. He sounds like a child with a new toy when he can kill people.
Look up on any non-google search engine, "EU Roadmap." This was a Plandemic. This is a hostile takeover by Globalists. We are and have been at war, a cold war, for decades with governments against their people.
Agree. If I see someone on the tweety, who has posted an idiot remark, but doesn't look "radicalized" then I ask them if they have given up all of their property and gotten the chip insert...and provide a link to a Harari video. So far, no one has responded. I hope they think, but knowing D's (as a native Californian) most won't. For older people (I am one, oddly enough), it's hard to realize your "news" and your government hate you, want evil.
"Recommending to all folks who had < 20 expected life years remaining was one thing...."
With all due respect, you know not what you speak of. This makes no sense.
There was zip reason to vaccinate anyone. Period. I can go on and on and on with fact but it would bore most.
And "a medication never before used". But we have 200 years of Disastrous Data for all Crazed, Vaccines. What are you going on? What your health authorities, ma/pa, teachers and church told you (and me)? Give me a break. Vaccines have been a massive disaster from Day One and continues to this day.
Good luck in the future with this type of submissive, non-thinking attitude. The scary part is, most of our population agrees with you. By doing this, we've set 'ourselves' up for mo mo mo and mo vaccines. Damnit.
you are right. There are several good books with lots of data to state, that vaccines did nothing to eliminate diseases. In fact, some vaccines created diseases. Specially those with live elements can infect people. A friend got the shingles shots, and a few weeks later had shingles. I know some polio vaccines do that too. Was it in Chad, where a few years ago the vaccines caused an outbreak? I just read that parvo in animals is caused by a vaccine. Most of what people make is very poor med. Rely on nature and your god given immunity system, combined with healthy food, preferably home grown (which gives you the necessary exercise). Is what my father has done for 65 years now. Unfortunately got caught in the docs lies about flu and covid shots. I could not believe my ears when he told me....
he told me he was going to get the jabs. Not just the first 2. No the booster as well, and just a few weeks ago, already knowing that the shots don't work as part of the family lay sick in bed, triple jabbed, with covid, he got a fourth shot. I just don't recognize my usually very clever dad. Or may be it was my clever mom, who now has dementia, all this time? LOL one comes to thoughts when blogging !
Most churches were a disgrace. I know of not one church hereabouts that kept open. Maybe the Mennonites, I am not sure about them. All the rest closed longer than the state closure, then masks, desinfect, limited number of participants, no singing. I am so disgusted I quit going altogether. God will surely hear me here in the woods with my animals !
"Recommending to all folks who had < 20 expected life years remaining was one thing, recommending to all young people with no long term safety data was about as reckless as can be fathomed"
Just listen to yourself; people with fewer than 20 years of life left, usually don't have kids (at least not of their own :P), so only younger people would do if you had a depopulation agenda... but killing as many from either group helps the WEF agenda - they don't care who dies!
Famous quotes:
"What do WE(F) need humans for"?
"We will be manufacturing bodies and minds"
"I will give the lethal jab to Klaus and take over the world"
Well, perhaps I got carried away and one quote (although true), was never expressed in public :P.
And the EP just voted to extend the EU covid digital certificate. Check all the Danish MEPs that voted for it. Hypocrites. 90% of the MEPs need to be in jail.
same here in Italy - most politicians voted for the Green (nazi) Pass - my husband STILL cannot visit his 98 year old father in a home because we are not jabbed. 😡
Agreed! But, the reality is that in western countries most people *chose* to get jabbed and
chose to get kids vaccinated. Majority of those people were also in favor of green passes, mandates, etc. (if not supporting they were at least not actively opposing).
Asia? Except for Mongolia and a few -stans it still is exercising the most insane rules and propaganda without serious resistance.
While in Europe we did see the earliest changes in some Nordic countries and early population resistance in countries like Romania and Bulgaria. But there the population has been "trained" by centuries of foreign empire tyrants followed by communist dictators.
And thus people know they cannot trust government and are more ready to fight for their freedom.
Also against the evil EU of eurocrats and Big Business interest.
As a swede, let me say one thing for my southern cousins: they are not stupid. Look at the size of Denmark. Look where it's situated. Look at their history - surrounded by larger and historically aggressive and expansionist neighbours, and yet here they are. You don't get to be a small nation with few resources and a small population and still be independent for a 1 000 years if you're not a clever git.
The dane may look like a pleasant happy-go-lucky farmer, but that farmer is so firmly rooted in the soil of his homeland you might as well wrestle the ground itself.
Sweden is lost, true. Norway and Finland is under heavy pressure from the EU to follow us.
Not so with Denmark, who is giving migrants the offer to either assimilate and become naturalised, or go home. See, the dans realised 20 years ago what an absolute and lethal mistake it is to allow moslems and african negroes to settle in one's nation, so they started to gradually tightn the screws on them to make the trash leave, and only retain those that actually can approach being civilised humans in the first place.
Sweden does the opposite: come here as refugee, commit a crime, go to prison and while you're there you application for citizenship is approved, meaning you can no longer be expelled for the crime you committed.
Our PM and several party leaders are all WEF members and worship at the foot of the Bilderbergs, the Trilaterla Commission and the EUSSR. Lots of them are neoliberals and Randians too, meaning they think race and culture and other "collectivist" things are like an overcoat, something to be turned and swapped as you please.
Rikard, I just found the following, a lovely turn of phrase:
The dane may look like a pleasant happy-go-lucky farmer, but that farmer is so firmly rooted in the soil of his homeland you might as well wrestle the ground itself.
He is the former chief epidemiologist of Sweden, and he wasn't shut up so much as ignored by swedish media when he wouldn't shut up. Anders Tegnell, the initial chief epidemiologist when Covid came, is one of his old adepts and a specialist in pandemic diseases.
Tangent:
It is a classic method of swedish state and regime-loyal media that if their bullying and smear-campaigns fail to intimidate the victim, they instead stonewall it, hoping that the silent treatment and obscurity will do the job when quote-mining, GBA, and similar hasn't.
Swedish media still operates as if it was the 1980s when private broadcasting was illegal and punishable by several years in prison - they still don't understand Internet, free media, citizen journalism or anything like that, and unfortunately virtually all swedes over age 45 are stuck in the same mentality: if state/regime media says it, it is so - 70+ years of socialist democrat indoctrination is melded into the marrow of many.
People don't want to see the truth and for the most part, they won't, especially in America.
They were told that if they got c0vid they would die for over a year. C0VID= death. That was the scenario that was presented here.
To say "the vaxxes don't work" for any group-- like children -- means that people will have to go back to the [false] paradigm of c0vid= death. They will be, in their minds, risking death every single day. Do you really think they will go back to that?
Also... the doctors here will NEVER admit what is going on. They are in the middle of their own dissociative disorder: "the government told me that vaxxes would save lives, I'm a doctor who wants to save lives, why are my patients dying? It can't be the vaxx, I save lives, I don't kill people."
I don't think we'll start to see our way out of this until the obvious vaxx deaths are double or triple the supposed "c0vid" deaths.
As the vaxxes seen as aspirational there or as a trusted Western product? My Filipino friend told me how all the well-to-do classes in Manila were jumping over themselves to get vaccinated. Her parents flew to the UK to get their jabs over here ahead of time. Just wondered if there's a similar mentality at play in South America.
yes. people believe. and they went from "stay home" through "wear a mask when walking to the bath room", "get vaxxed to prevent spread, it's 90+% effective" to "no vax is 100% effective and has no side effects".
the reason is media hammering. the media landscape here is even more of a joke than in the west. on one of the biggest network, last year in april i think, they had like a "silent minute". everybody in the studio stood up on their feet, mask on the face, remembering "all the dead". and i've seen people watching it. standing up on their feet as well.
i have not heard of any rich people flying elsewhere to get the shot. though i believe that's possible.
but there are critical medics. only they get called denialists and you cannot tag them on instagram and they have no platform at all.
and to the contrary to what was purported in the alternative media there were NO PROTESTS against the fraud. there have been protests only because people lost their livelyhoods. yet they all wore masks.
on this continent if somebody has a sneeze or a headache, they run to the pharmacy. religiously.
I think you're right, that some people don't want to see the truth. But it's more complex than that.
There are people that truly believe that COVID=Death. No amount of data will convince them otherwise. In fact, they believe the data is an attempt to cover-up larger amounts of Covid deaths. They believe in the integrity of the narrative and have added their own rationalization to the recipe.
There are people too busy to know the truth. Their time is with family, work, friends, and they believe in the integrity of the institutions that have been giving them the narrative 24/7. They may even have compartmentalized examples of when the media and government has lied to them, but believe overall in the system.
There are people who go along to get along. They suspect something is wrong. The mere fact that there are no dissenting points of view should be an indicator as such. They also have a job, their family, or friends on the line
There are those that know the truth, but also believe not in shoving it down others throats. After all, isn't that what has been done to them over the past two years? If you look at my Facebook page, there isn't even one post on Covid on it, mainly because I don't want to be "that person" that posts unsolicited material on Covid on his social media. I will however comment on those who will post it on their social media.
The problem is that so few people called out the absurdities. Everyone just complied with the nonsense. I had people contact me on FB messenger to thank me for my rants. They wanted to speak out but were worried about loosing their job (in San Francisco)
That's awesome! I am glad to hear there are others out there.
I never hid calling out absurdities in public. I can't tell you how many times I ranted about the ridiculous policies of restaurants that had any mask policy at alll. Unless the tables are in hermetically sealed tents with great filtration, Covid is gonna spread, so the ridiculous practice o masks until eating can cause headaches and is one great proof that people are "playing pandemic pretend."
Is that what you think I am saying? Let them figure it out?
What do you think my response has been to those shoving it down our throats? Do you think I have just sat around an let it happen? Or do you think I simply chose not to patronize those places?
Who thinks that what happened to kids over the past two years is a good thing? I think them being out of school is not necessarily bad based on what they are teaching in state schools. But to place all these restrictions on them, make them stay home, force them into novel ways of being instructed all in the name of safety for a disease that doesn't statistically affect them at all? Thankfully I don't have kids of my own, I don't know what I would have done.
A friend of mine (pharmacist in PA) text me today and said that he and the other pharmacist at their pharmacy both told (when asked) higher level management that they did not want to vax <= 5-year-old children. Hopefully most pharmacists are doing the same.
Tell those pharmacists to please provide REAL informed consent to the parents emphasizing it’s an experimental EAU gene fucking therapy with zero data! Tell them that Comirnaty is not available in USA!!!
Comirnaty isn't available anywhere as far as I can tell. It's seems like another sleight of hand. Tell everyone that "the vaccine" has FDA approval. Yet the one you are getting doesn't, meaning Pfizer pays you pfuck all if you are injured,
Tell those pharmacists that they will be held liable for maiming and murdering. Angry parents will have no other option but to blame the pharmacy who poisoned their baby!
Anyone who, at the beginning of the pandemic, read anything of the literature regarding previous attempts to make a coronavirus vaccine would have recognized the complexity of the problem. The whole endeavor reeks of human hubris. Did it ever occur to these researchers that it may be evolutionarily maladaptive for humans to cement an antibody response to a highly mutable virus? And that maybe, just maybe, the idea of pursuing a vaccine for such things is ..umm....counterproductive?
But what would I know? I'm no epidemiologist.
The notion that they "didn't know" makes them ignorant beyond belief because there WAS plenty of evidence to suggest this was going to be a piss-poor strategy (all of it...transfections, masking and lockdowns)..and while I could forgive them somewhat for ignorance, all the attempts to shut down/censor valid discussion of the issues reeks of malice.
I see they are getting out ahead of the game to narrative shape. That is a good sign because it means they expect pitchforks but it is more of the same-- spin and mendacity.
Look at all this:
-it was the right decision with what we knew
-it is seen in hindsight
-'we' need to learn from this
-very unknown side effect profile [that wasn't a concern back when you made the decision?]
-had a lack of trust in the authorities [but you can trust them now since they fake apologized and took no responsibility.....right?]
but that last one is a real whopper:
-But what we have to hold on to is that there has been no damage from it. It was more of a misinterpretation of the situation at the time, which we among professionals will discuss for a long time
What he means is 'we' the 'professionals' will discuss this and you unqualified plebians are not invited. We've decided there was no damage, and any damage you show us will be rationalized as something else. Then we will gaslight you into oblivion.
They will keep this up until they are removed from any authority or position of influence.
You're more forgiving than I am! That they recommended it even once is a crime...for children; an abomination...for anyone unforgivable!
No worries, just a misjudgment...no harm, no foul. Are you kidding...people are dead; children are dead and injured beyond imagination and we get forgive me...an understandable mistake, an unfortunate error.
Don't talk to me ever in my lifetime...I'm done with every last one of them because they either knew or should have.
They say if they knew then what they know now they wouldn’t have vaccinated the children. They say that the side effect profile was unknown at that time. That’s simply not true though. All of us on here knew, we knew in the spring! It is refreshing that they admitted that they made mistakes though.
They’re going to start admitting to the lies more and more so that eventually they will say “you chose to vaccinate” victim blaming is coming. All hell will break out just in time for the impending economic crash. TPTB want a civil war. They want an excuse to lock us down hard.
The suffocating propaganda campaign was as toxic as the vaccines themselves. If folks knew how much money was spent on it they’d be more than appalled.
I’ve given up trying to figure out Fox. The Murdochs seem to be just the latest example of a successful family-controlled media business gone down the tubes at the hands of the second or third generation of ownership. If you take away Tucker, they might be circling the drain a la CNN.
His specialty was actually Soviet Russia and its wholesale crimes against humanity. You need a strong stomach to read him b/c he does not spare any details. Here’s a link to at least some of his books: https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/29436.Robert_Conquest
And it runs so much deeper than most people realise. There was the overt spending -- the multimedia ad campaigns sponsored by govts and health agencies, the fluff pieces in newspapers providing good PR for the vaccine programmes, the photo-ops with politicians and celebs, etc.
But there was also the covert spending. The literal psyops taking place across the online world, probably orchestrated by Western intelligence services. Astroturfing tactics such as getting YouTubers and influential commentators to create "organic" content in favour of vaccines; messaging subtly inserted into Netflix shows and other mass programming; getting Reddit and other platforms to censor vaccine-sceptic content and use their algorithms to prioritise pro-vaxx posts, or even create fake ones... And so on.
We really have to ask why so there were so many vested interests in this vaccination programme. Why was it so vital to convince the entire world to inject themselves with these new drugs? Remember, they wanted it to be all 7 billion of us... They "only" managed about 3, if I'm not mistaken.
Reddit is an interesting one, for it's role. Their system encourages groupthink and is hostile to alternative ideas, I got banned from many subreddits for spreading "misinformation" on the covid hysteria.
Yet they love a victim, and the r/CovidVaccinated seems to be catching a huge number of adverse reactions. Too many to ignore.
The thing people have forgotten so quickly, even in Europe and certainly in North America, is that the swine flu vaccines used in 2009 were a disaster. And the worst lasting effects, narcolepsy, didn’t manifest for nine months to a year. When they started claiming that any bad reactions to the Covid shot would present quite quickly and if they didn’t then there was no reason to worry, I realized with what bad faith we were being cajoled. That opened up a can of worms I apparently hadn’t been willing to open before. And thank god. No more pricks for us ever again. And I do mean never. Even if I have to stay home all day every day. I got a nice house. 🤙🏼
It was obviously a mistake at the time to use vaccines that had marginal transmission benefit to reduce transmission in subgroups that already had a lot of natural immunity. Reality is that they’re just trying to get ahead of the adverse events reporting that will go on over the next few months.
It is still cowardly and unethical to say the inoculations were OK with what they knew THEN but not OK with what they know NOW. Did anyone care? Ask? Take a moment and use common sense. I guess credit where credit’s due. But very flimsy
Right at the time? A medication of a type never before used widely in human recommended to the entire population of people who have their reproductive years ahead of them? Recommending to all folks who had < 20 expected life years remaining was one thing, recommending to all young people with no long term safety data was about as reckless as can be fathomed.
“Going by what we knew then, we were right.” Uhh, no. You didn’t know anything then. You just took your Jersey off and put it back on inside out. You look ridiculous.
"Hey, I don't know what this will do, but let's inject it into kids and see what happens! And let's give people nervous breakdowns if the ask questions or refuse! It may help!"😒
Oh and don't forget we STILL have 2nd class citizens in the US.
Despicable
I'll be their friend! Thanks for giving me a heads up!
I'm on the train. Do you have paid subscription option?
I've heard variations of this argument throughout the pandemic. Like people excusing lockdowns because "we just didn't know how bad it was at the time." Yes we did. The virus was already here as early as November in the states, and most likely, was out worldwide. Also, regardless of what we knew, shouldn't the default position be to not fix it if we don't know how broken it is?
The mantra "We are in this together" is another one that gets me...because it is an insidious accusation. Because if we "aren't" in this together, the implication is that we are the enemy.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain
I think we all know where we are going now.
Yes, this, all of this.
I just can’t be nice either. I am FUMING
Don't let you karma be drawn to negative like for all the narcissistic legs and arms of the moloch that are responsible for death by collateral damage and crippled immune systems and spilt-up families, most still engulfed in the mass formation psychosis.
But tell people what to do :
use democratic measures whatever you want to achieve.
Safe, efficient, available and cheap.
(Against virus, it is easy. Against warlords, and weapons (industry), bit challenging. NOT by producing more weapons, tells history in a very drastic way.
Against climate change: possible.
Do find 10-20 people cooperating in a challenging mode: who achieves the shortest amortization.
The one investing 1€/m². We will come to DIY solar panels ;=)
Or necks. Please add Justine F*#deau to that list
We've got to give these people an off-ramp. We know they know it's bullshit to say the facts are only clear in hindsight; they know we know they know. But if we want to move forward in a way that avoids these mistakes in future we have to allow them the opportunity to admit them without being crucified for it.
If people fear that public vilification awaits them they will double down on these decisions. And that is a far worse prospect than allowing them to claim they didn't have access to all the facts at the time.
So what will prevent them to run the same scam once more? The public opinion? Give me a break.
I am not saying going full guillotines, lamposts and shooting platoons against them but some of the highest placed perpetrators need to be held to account. The lower ranked idiots that didn't suspect much or maybe got paid to hide the truth here and there can avoid "crucifixion". But they have to repent and attack the ones above them. Let them blame their superiors. Fine. But some heads must fall. And the whole bureaucracy and government system must be rethought and redesigned. Can we start with no career politicians and no political parties for start. One mandate in lower rank political echalons: mayor's, councilors. One mandate in higher ranked ones: senators, governors. One mandate in the highest ones: members of governments or presidents. That's it. Then you are done. Not allowed to lobby. Not allowed a public office. Etc. And mandates reduced to two years tops. I'd also put all those psychologists to work. Find us a test that has a high enough chance of detecting psychopathic traits in small children and everyone should take the test at such an young age so they can't cheat. Any chance you can grow and become a psychopath, no politics or public office for you. Regardless of how smart you are.
I'M saying go full guillotines, lamposts and firing squads.
I AM.
People have been killed in cold blood. Society has been unraveled. Death is an absolutely reasonable punishment.
They SHOULD be afraid. Their "off ramp" should be begging for mercy or dying in the dark.
Some thumping painful justice MUST RAIN DOWN ON the top of the heap of this evil. If only for the damage to children. They have nearly normalized freekin child sacrifice. I am not obliged to forgive utter evil in any way. Nope. Not going there.
Among some, child sacrifice in the name of virtue signal has been completely normalized. https://nextnewsnetwork.com/2022/06/05/gone-viral-radical-parents-seen-taking-children-to-drag-show-with-sign-saying-its-not-gonna-lick-itself/
I’m right there with you. Heads HAVE to roll..especially at the top.
This. So, so this. Guttermouth for El Presidente.
No, no, nobody wants that. Believe me. I'd be a warlord that would only be fun as long as I was YOUR warlord. I'd have a praetorian guard surrounding me within months of taking office and I wouldn't go peacefully because I'd have nothing to lose.
Guttermouth for sheriff, maybe. Give me flexible power with limited scope elected by a community small enough to know me personally. Then I'm your girl.
What you're describing is atrocious. We are better than that. Who would determine guilt or culpability without due process?
You would end up with firing squads killing entire families, or random bystanders who happened to be standing in the way. These are not the values I would ever hope to uphold in a new society. Reform requires truth and reconciliation. And yes, justice for a few bad actors. But for most of everyone involved we need to find a way to move forward that is non-violent and allows for cohesion in society.
Best of luck to you. Start writing those stern letters to your legislator.
We’ve tried kissing the ass of scumbags. It hasn’t worked. As for who will determine guilt or culpability, their own words will do so. We have everyone’s opinion right out in the open on Twitter, etc. Look around you. You’re seeing the result of appeasement and “compromise” everywhere you look.
so free from any sin, I envy you.
Perhaps psychopaths must be understood.
A society breeding them untreated is the cause.
Rewarding for achievements like manipulating others and showing intelligence and compliance with the system as long as it delivers what you want, and not for overcoming weaknesses like true empathy missing...
Watch TheHighWire at com latest interview with Perf. Desmet.
Psychology of totalitarianism .
Read "moloch defined" at roundingtheearth.
Eye opener.
“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Never go full Ray Epps
Not sure what you're implying here. Are you accusing me of being disingenuous?
"And the whole bureaucracy and government system must be rethought and redesigned. "
This above all I agree with. It needs to be restructured from the ground up. We need to question just about everything, and I'm not sure how far we should go back. We need as small government as possible. And we need to make sure that the checks and balances baked into our Constitution be as overt as ever.
As far as testing to determine psychopathic traits, how about make the incentives for running for public office be such that they are not attractive to psychopaths and sociopaths and those with a tendency towards authoritarianism? It's like the guy who is way too passionate about going on outings with children. That would be what I consider a red flag. If someone wants to and has always talked about running for political office, that is a red flag that somewhere along the line, as a citizen, it's not going to end well.
Plus we got to find a way to get rid of the evergreen people in office, the unelected. Fauci needs to be held to account and removed from his job.
The ancient Athenian system of choosing officials by lot from the whole citizenry is the way to go. Make all decisions by boards of ten or so, and the occasional nut can be outvoted.
If this system is good enough for juries that can decide whether people can be executed, it should be good enough for other decisions. Anyone who has served on a jury knows they can largely be relied on.
Maybe you could do some reading of books by people who predicted exactly the current metastasized bureaucratic state. Putting people under house arrest without trial or jury. Hmm. That's the opposite of what?
Liberty. Hmm maybe I should read something by people who have warned about what happens when we have not enough liberty.
Hmm maybe I'll start with the libertarians?
Hoppe - Democracy: The God That Failed
Rothbard - Man, Economy and State
Mises - Bureaucracy
Etienne de la Boetie - The Politics of Obedience
Frederic Bastiat - The Law
That's a start. All free just a websearch away from you!
Thank you for the recommendations. The thing is, the mere existence of the Constitution is a prediction of the current metastasized bureaucratic state. It's not by accident that these checks and balances were spelled out as well as an assertion that the citizens have the right to rebel against the government. You don't need to read those books to get an indicator of future developments. However, my education is ongoing and my naivete is limitless.
Thanks for this post. I've read a few of them. Going to pick up a few more.
Holy Ghost Explosion!
Great comment. With some potential solutions?!
Yes! Purge the psychopaths
If we survive and win this in order to ensure that it never happens again we have to do to them all psychos what the eskimos do to their "kunlangeta" - a one way walk on thin ice.
Except, if they did admit they screwed up, they wouldn't be crucified for it. We don't have to provide them an offramp that isn't already provided. Weren't we taught over and over as children to own up to things? And yet here we are.
It's more than fear of vilification that kept them on this track. They were using the sunk cost logical fallacy. They figured they already invested a lot of time and effort in this course of action and thus, it must continue. They have already doubled down on these decisions, many times over the past two years. Every time their critics were silenced, every time dissent was discredited, any time we were met with mantras instead of science, this is where they have made it impossible for them not to be disparaged.
Perhaps there is some truth in that. But we also need to make everyone aware how obviously horrible these decisions were. If we don't then these incompetent clowns will keep their jobs and perform similarly badly in the future.
First off, rocks aren't useless!
Secondly, I agree. There's got to be justice served but at the same time, some kind of off ramp allowance. Surely a balance can be struck.
Vanda
I agree. To that end, there should be more discussions surrounding potential tactical solutions.
We need a series of small W's before we can expect change.
I think that just compounds the error and the damage that they are still wreaking right now.
Moving forward, I think it is important for the unvaxxed to organize so as to readily recognize each other for mutual cooperative benefit and finding undamaged partners for creating families.
It is unfortunately too late to save people who were gulled into making their big mistake, (barring some miraculous discoveries by the real doctors who are being censored and extinguished by the powers behind this Plandemic right now.). Maybe their unvaxxed children can be saved, but we don’t even know if they are being already fatally contaminated by “shedding.” Such is the nightmare we have descended into, while incurious fools threw away factual warnings with both hands.
But for sure people who are still unvaxxed should be communicating that fact and valuing each other as the ones who will be carrying the human possibility into the post-NWO future.
SOLUTIONS!
Brian - great post. Speak the truth in your community!
The only off-ramp these dissembling scumbags deserve is one that empties into a pit. These scumbags always get off the hook, which is why they keep using your kids as test dummies. They need to hang and twist on the hook for all to see, for all time.
The time-honored gibbet.
Then let them double-down. And tripple-down. At some point the chasm between narrative and reality becomes unbridgeable. There needs to be a price for failure of this magnitude, and it needs to be decided in the courts.
What if there's not and our only win is from preventing this from ever happening again.
What's more important to you?
Just a question
Its more important to me that this doesn't happen again.
From that standpoint, the target of our ire should be the broken system of institutions. The question is, will giving the individuals responsible an off-ramp mean leaving those institutions unchanged?
Institutions are made of people, and the actions of individuals are how institutions become corrupt.
I feel the same way. But I'm weary of mob justice, not least because I criticize it so frequently.
Mob justice only protracts the opportunity for arresting this and quite possibly making exerbate the current predicament
In the immediate term mob justice is counter productive
A better path might be finding solutions that the current 3-5% of us could use to get 20-30% of the non-fighters behind them.
Agreed. This is the key.
Know your audience. Let them be "tacitly" right.
You have to be "intentional" with this approach if you want to leave maximal impact.
This subject is VERY important to discuss on this stack...and many others with like minded folks.
There are general approaches, but each one needs to be customized to the setting and the individual itself
you avoid full ridicule by taking full accountability for your actions and acknowledging how and why you made stupid decisions. until that is done stupid decisions will continue because they won't know why they made stupid decisions.
Can't argue with that.
But can we sit on our hands waiting for that to happen?
Wouldn't be better to arrest the current 2 year stupor in an effort to rebuild.
I think we end up with gangrene if don't clip the bushes first vs taking an axe to the trunk.
Wanting justice is not being hysterical or idealistic.
There are a nontrivial number of people whose actions killed and brutalized humans. How do you imagine this wonderful pragmatic victory of yours where no one's actions have consequences?
Shall we buy them little presents?
I agree. It is non-trivial.
Should we not give them due process?
I don't think either one of us would want to live in that world.
I believe many, many people involved in this abomination are evil.
I want justice done as much as you.
So we virtually agree. I think we're starting to build a pretty good case for violations of the Nuremberg code.
I'd like to have standing in a court before rushing in...only to lose the case.
I like bantering with you man.
There HAS to be consequences. I'd say the complexion of our sentiments follow the same path.
You gotta give him an off-ramp or he’ll never stop.
Hahaha!
it was right then.... no it was absolutely not. Many people saw throuh this charade and now they try to pretend they did not know! F off.
Criminally liable and ethically bankrupt to say the very least!
😆
Well said.
I heard in a small interview with WHO Tedros, where he claimed the jabs should have only been given to people at high risk, and to older people. He said this, when the US approved the jabs for children. He literally said, don't give this to your children you will poison them. These jabs are meant for old people. If this had happened, the virus would long be over, because the jabs might have protected some elderly, and the rest of the people would have had a mild case of flu and we would now have the herd immunity for real - everyone had it and then the virus dies off.
You know things are bad when anyone from the UN starts making sense.
The UK person supposed to organise the jab programmes, Kate Bingham, said in late 2020 that they would only be given to frail old people. Then it somehow expanded to all adults and many children, although I read that 20 M remain (out of 68-70 M people in the UK) who didn't fall for it.
Bingham's husband, an MP, was sacked as a government minister. This was possibly for making a fuss about the new 'jab everybody' policy Gates/WHO had ordered them to follow. I don't know more details and I'm making the assumption that Gates/WHO were issuing orders. Nothing else seems to explain the events very well.
What an excellent point Ingrid. Community-wide naturally acquired post infection immunity would have been achieved with less mortality by doing nothing. NOT EVEN INJECTING THE ELDERLY. PERIOD. C19 was NEVER an existential health threat but always a threat to our previously known way of life. All done to foist digital biometric control over everyone to decide who gets what and when and where.
Of course NO EARLY TREATMENT and fauci favorite profitable remdisivir snd vents made this worse. My SIL did not barely survive Covid per se. she barely survived remdisivir and a vent.
Long about August 2020 I looked at the detailed numbers for Washington State and came to the conclusion that if everyone age 0-40 had been *deliberately infected* with Covid, everyone 40-60 had just lived their lives normally, and everyone 60+ had stayed home, we would have already gotten to herd immunity with fewer deaths.
Yep. Our actual hospital utilization remained flat the entire 'pandemic' -- and that utilization was so embarassingly low they had to move the goalposts, multiple times.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/lying-with-statistics
you know lots of mistakes happen when you panic and run around headless doing things afterwards appear totally senseless !
This would have been the sensible option. I would have happily volunteered to catch it to get the crap over and done with despite being over 40.
I was trying to catch it from the start. It still took almost 20 months and a 'vaccinated' positive friend.
This is pretty much what Jay Bhattacharya advised.
Sadly, this is the first I have seen of this important interview. I am in the USA where the far left has destroyed the freedom of the press.
That would normally be an excellent point - if the jab had been to prevent Covid deaths. With all the information coming out now about sperm motility, myocarditis, etc. this is way more than a jab to stop Covid. Dr. Christiane Northrup who used to be on PBS (not now!) said it's a "depopulation" shot. What it is, is genocide. I believe the WHO is deflecting blame because they supported China in the beginning.
Your point is an excellent one, given one set of facts, though.
Right. There is something more going on then meets the eye. I usually don't pay much attention to conspiracy theories, but this time the theories have all come true, so now I follow them closely, and leave the door open just in case !
exactly, the whole response went well beyond incompetent and even the greed incentive fails to explain a lot.
A proper analysis of relative harm would calculate “life-years lost”. A 20 year old who dies of myocardial inflammation lost 55 years of life. A nursing home patient lost 6 months of life. So the dead 20 year old lost 110x as many life years. The deaths from vaccines caused vastly more lost life than the virus. And the lockdowns, which will kill millions of lives in places like Africa due to increased poverty, will kill more than the virus and vaccines combined .
and all the people who are no longer able to have children, and all the children that will die from horrible diseases, and probably the ones that survive, unable to conceive.
I agree, but in addition to the above, the life years of the potential future children of the 20 year old would also be lost if the 20 year old dies or has some type of fertility issue. The old people have no direct impact on future births.
This is true.
I think that was the whole idea of the depopulation agenda plus think of the money generated by the sickos running the show.
I wonder what the ratio will be, between the actual covid death tally vs. the deaths caused globally, as a direct result of the destructive measures over the last two years?
Not a good ratio. Not good at all.
The carnage is everywhere and they can't escape it. It will only become more visible over time.
I tell them to keep watching. And politely provide brief updates with no expectation of a dialogue.
If appropriate I'll ask them how the feel about that.
That question woke a lot of my friends up.
They knew, but had to be told. They know now, if there is a re-run, that they weren't just complacent, rather they will be judged as complicit.
I also patronize by saying, he buddy, you figured it out sooner than others, etc., etc.
The goal is not to get them to repent. The goal is for them to internalize why this can never be REPEATED again.
So apparently the Dutch government actually commissioned a QALY study in February of 2020 to look at lockdowns which resulted in an estimated net loss of 500,000 QALYs. This was revealed thanks to a FOIA request a year later. You may remember we were one of the last European countries to lock down and were neck and neck with the UK running for herd immunity. Somewhere along about the same week, both governments caved and the damage started piling up exactly as predicted. We may never know what the reasoning was, but two and a half years and about a million shenanigans later, I still wonder if it wasn't the WEF plan all along and all our politicians were just pretending they hadn't sold out their countries years ago.
Never forget that Gates said in a 'Ted' Talk, we have to have universal (global) vaccines for population control. I am paraphrasing, but believe you can still find it on UTube.
yes I saw that too. And he predicted another huge pandemic for 2025 so at least we are warned. He sounds like a child with a new toy when he can kill people.
"Isn't that cute...BUT IT'S WRONG!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hspNaoxzNbs
I'm sorry but you have to provide free barf bags if you expect us to listen to Kill Gates...
It's MALICE now!
Its been malice aforethought all along actually.
Look up on any non-google search engine, "EU Roadmap." This was a Plandemic. This is a hostile takeover by Globalists. We are and have been at war, a cold war, for decades with governments against their people.
Yes. Exactly.
We need to do are part, making sure the sheople know that the malice has started, in earnest, on them.
The evidence speaks for itself.
The vaccines are more tangible and fresh.
Tackling it at the Globalist level will turn people off. They don't know what we're talking about.
Most just want this to go away.
If you want change, it has to have some meaningful value for them
Best we can do, at this point, before rebuilding anything, is to arrest the damage.
Agree. If I see someone on the tweety, who has posted an idiot remark, but doesn't look "radicalized" then I ask them if they have given up all of their property and gotten the chip insert...and provide a link to a Harari video. So far, no one has responded. I hope they think, but knowing D's (as a native Californian) most won't. For older people (I am one, oddly enough), it's hard to realize your "news" and your government hate you, want evil.
Exactly
"Recommending to all folks who had < 20 expected life years remaining was one thing...."
With all due respect, you know not what you speak of. This makes no sense.
There was zip reason to vaccinate anyone. Period. I can go on and on and on with fact but it would bore most.
And "a medication never before used". But we have 200 years of Disastrous Data for all Crazed, Vaccines. What are you going on? What your health authorities, ma/pa, teachers and church told you (and me)? Give me a break. Vaccines have been a massive disaster from Day One and continues to this day.
Good luck in the future with this type of submissive, non-thinking attitude. The scary part is, most of our population agrees with you. By doing this, we've set 'ourselves' up for mo mo mo and mo vaccines. Damnit.
you are right. There are several good books with lots of data to state, that vaccines did nothing to eliminate diseases. In fact, some vaccines created diseases. Specially those with live elements can infect people. A friend got the shingles shots, and a few weeks later had shingles. I know some polio vaccines do that too. Was it in Chad, where a few years ago the vaccines caused an outbreak? I just read that parvo in animals is caused by a vaccine. Most of what people make is very poor med. Rely on nature and your god given immunity system, combined with healthy food, preferably home grown (which gives you the necessary exercise). Is what my father has done for 65 years now. Unfortunately got caught in the docs lies about flu and covid shots. I could not believe my ears when he told me....
Great post Ingrid. All true. thank you. Keep spreading this truth, often and a lot?
But can you finish your last sentence? I'm on edge waiting for the ending.
Thanks
he told me he was going to get the jabs. Not just the first 2. No the booster as well, and just a few weeks ago, already knowing that the shots don't work as part of the family lay sick in bed, triple jabbed, with covid, he got a fourth shot. I just don't recognize my usually very clever dad. Or may be it was my clever mom, who now has dementia, all this time? LOL one comes to thoughts when blogging !
The church, for the most part was a big disappointment.
I think they forgot the main tenants of the Bible and the constitution.
They're lucky they had just enough fighter's, like you, on these stacks'.
They "felt" powerless besides undoubtedly knowing one of Jesus's most important lessons:
“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”
2 Timothy 1:7
IMO, that message, in and of itself, checks all the boxes that could have prevented the forthcoming carnage.
Time for some Christians to self reflect. And perhaps consider the least among us. After all, they WILL be the ones that pay the dearest cost.
If not they may end up in bondage. Which I'm pretty sure Jesus would disapprove of.
Have a come to Jesus if you feel like this applies to you. If doesn't apply, politely spread the word tacitly.
Practice what you preach. Learn.
And as Churchill said:
"I'd rather be right than consistent "
"Right now is the right time to be RIGHT"
- Yours truly
Most churches were a disgrace. I know of not one church hereabouts that kept open. Maybe the Mennonites, I am not sure about them. All the rest closed longer than the state closure, then masks, desinfect, limited number of participants, no singing. I am so disgusted I quit going altogether. God will surely hear me here in the woods with my animals !
when with intention to do deliberate harm, reckless is not the relevant descriptive word...
So populaces of the world need shift their understanding.
Harm was, and is, intended.
Once you take that on board, all the recent actions make sense...and you are freed up to negotiate your new reality...
"Recommending to all folks who had < 20 expected life years remaining was one thing, recommending to all young people with no long term safety data was about as reckless as can be fathomed"
Just listen to yourself; people with fewer than 20 years of life left, usually don't have kids (at least not of their own :P), so only younger people would do if you had a depopulation agenda... but killing as many from either group helps the WEF agenda - they don't care who dies!
Famous quotes:
"What do WE(F) need humans for"?
"We will be manufacturing bodies and minds"
"I will give the lethal jab to Klaus and take over the world"
Well, perhaps I got carried away and one quote (although true), was never expressed in public :P.
🎯 🎯 🎯
Didn't Denmark also have vaccine passports? So, it was not just "recommendation".
And the EP just voted to extend the EU covid digital certificate. Check all the Danish MEPs that voted for it. Hypocrites. 90% of the MEPs need to be in jail.
same here in Italy - most politicians voted for the Green (nazi) Pass - my husband STILL cannot visit his 98 year old father in a home because we are not jabbed. 😡
I hope they all go to hell .
Agreed! But, the reality is that in western countries most people *chose* to get jabbed and
chose to get kids vaccinated. Majority of those people were also in favor of green passes, mandates, etc. (if not supporting they were at least not actively opposing).
Because of misinformation, desinformation, malinformation, manipulation, coercion by governments and MSM.
If they would have true honest informed consent, things would have been different.
Westerners are just too passive and selfish. If liquor stores closed and and internet went
out for 3 days, it would have been a different story.
Agreed, but were is it better?
Asia? Except for Mongolia and a few -stans it still is exercising the most insane rules and propaganda without serious resistance.
While in Europe we did see the earliest changes in some Nordic countries and early population resistance in countries like Romania and Bulgaria. But there the population has been "trained" by centuries of foreign empire tyrants followed by communist dictators.
And thus people know they cannot trust government and are more ready to fight for their freedom.
Also against the evil EU of eurocrats and Big Business interest.
Very sad.
As a swede, let me say one thing for my southern cousins: they are not stupid. Look at the size of Denmark. Look where it's situated. Look at their history - surrounded by larger and historically aggressive and expansionist neighbours, and yet here they are. You don't get to be a small nation with few resources and a small population and still be independent for a 1 000 years if you're not a clever git.
The dane may look like a pleasant happy-go-lucky farmer, but that farmer is so firmly rooted in the soil of his homeland you might as well wrestle the ground itself.
And yet, these retards still went ahead and gave a lethal injection to their children. The Covid Holocaust continues!
60 percent did not...the brainwash is pretty fine tuned so 60 percent is a big number...so it turns out ...you are the retard.
The fact that they would give even ONE child the lethal injection makes them retards.
Welcoming millions of Islamic “refugees” appears to be an uncharacteristic mistake then. I doubt Scandinavia will be around 100 years from now.
Sweden is lost, true. Norway and Finland is under heavy pressure from the EU to follow us.
Not so with Denmark, who is giving migrants the offer to either assimilate and become naturalised, or go home. See, the dans realised 20 years ago what an absolute and lethal mistake it is to allow moslems and african negroes to settle in one's nation, so they started to gradually tightn the screws on them to make the trash leave, and only retain those that actually can approach being civilised humans in the first place.
Sweden does the opposite: come here as refugee, commit a crime, go to prison and while you're there you application for citizenship is approved, meaning you can no longer be expelled for the crime you committed.
Our PM and several party leaders are all WEF members and worship at the foot of the Bilderbergs, the Trilaterla Commission and the EUSSR. Lots of them are neoliberals and Randians too, meaning they think race and culture and other "collectivist" things are like an overcoat, something to be turned and swapped as you please.
Sad, I agree. Seems like most of the west is committing suicide.
Why would any country want this? I still can’t wrap my head around that.
Rikard, I just found the following, a lovely turn of phrase:
The dane may look like a pleasant happy-go-lucky farmer, but that farmer is so firmly rooted in the soil of his homeland you might as well wrestle the ground itself.
what a lovely reply...
Bravo 👏
Rikard, do you know how they managed to shut Johan Giesecke up after he made brilliant, honest statements in Spring 2020?
He is the former chief epidemiologist of Sweden, and he wasn't shut up so much as ignored by swedish media when he wouldn't shut up. Anders Tegnell, the initial chief epidemiologist when Covid came, is one of his old adepts and a specialist in pandemic diseases.
Tangent:
It is a classic method of swedish state and regime-loyal media that if their bullying and smear-campaigns fail to intimidate the victim, they instead stonewall it, hoping that the silent treatment and obscurity will do the job when quote-mining, GBA, and similar hasn't.
Swedish media still operates as if it was the 1980s when private broadcasting was illegal and punishable by several years in prison - they still don't understand Internet, free media, citizen journalism or anything like that, and unfortunately virtually all swedes over age 45 are stuck in the same mentality: if state/regime media says it, it is so - 70+ years of socialist democrat indoctrination is melded into the marrow of many.
🤣🤣
I thought he was talking about Israel, for a second.
People don't want to see the truth and for the most part, they won't, especially in America.
They were told that if they got c0vid they would die for over a year. C0VID= death. That was the scenario that was presented here.
To say "the vaxxes don't work" for any group-- like children -- means that people will have to go back to the [false] paradigm of c0vid= death. They will be, in their minds, risking death every single day. Do you really think they will go back to that?
Also... the doctors here will NEVER admit what is going on. They are in the middle of their own dissociative disorder: "the government told me that vaxxes would save lives, I'm a doctor who wants to save lives, why are my patients dying? It can't be the vaxx, I save lives, I don't kill people."
I don't think we'll start to see our way out of this until the obvious vaxx deaths are double or triple the supposed "c0vid" deaths.
oh boy. been in south america? LINES OF SHEEP in front of vax centers. it’s sad.
As the vaxxes seen as aspirational there or as a trusted Western product? My Filipino friend told me how all the well-to-do classes in Manila were jumping over themselves to get vaccinated. Her parents flew to the UK to get their jabs over here ahead of time. Just wondered if there's a similar mentality at play in South America.
Holycow...
Yes, I know of people flying to Texas or New York from Peru and Mexico to get vaccinated in early 2021.
yes. people believe. and they went from "stay home" through "wear a mask when walking to the bath room", "get vaxxed to prevent spread, it's 90+% effective" to "no vax is 100% effective and has no side effects".
the reason is media hammering. the media landscape here is even more of a joke than in the west. on one of the biggest network, last year in april i think, they had like a "silent minute". everybody in the studio stood up on their feet, mask on the face, remembering "all the dead". and i've seen people watching it. standing up on their feet as well.
i have not heard of any rich people flying elsewhere to get the shot. though i believe that's possible.
but there are critical medics. only they get called denialists and you cannot tag them on instagram and they have no platform at all.
and to the contrary to what was purported in the alternative media there were NO PROTESTS against the fraud. there have been protests only because people lost their livelyhoods. yet they all wore masks.
on this continent if somebody has a sneeze or a headache, they run to the pharmacy. religiously.
I'm sorry to hear that
don't be. these people deserve it. as a foreigner i kind of like to observe the idiocy of a 3rd-world-country equaling my 1st-world-home.
I think you're right, that some people don't want to see the truth. But it's more complex than that.
There are people that truly believe that COVID=Death. No amount of data will convince them otherwise. In fact, they believe the data is an attempt to cover-up larger amounts of Covid deaths. They believe in the integrity of the narrative and have added their own rationalization to the recipe.
There are people too busy to know the truth. Their time is with family, work, friends, and they believe in the integrity of the institutions that have been giving them the narrative 24/7. They may even have compartmentalized examples of when the media and government has lied to them, but believe overall in the system.
There are people who go along to get along. They suspect something is wrong. The mere fact that there are no dissenting points of view should be an indicator as such. They also have a job, their family, or friends on the line
There are those that know the truth, but also believe not in shoving it down others throats. After all, isn't that what has been done to them over the past two years? If you look at my Facebook page, there isn't even one post on Covid on it, mainly because I don't want to be "that person" that posts unsolicited material on Covid on his social media. I will however comment on those who will post it on their social media.
The problem is that so few people called out the absurdities. Everyone just complied with the nonsense. I had people contact me on FB messenger to thank me for my rants. They wanted to speak out but were worried about loosing their job (in San Francisco)
That's awesome! I am glad to hear there are others out there.
I never hid calling out absurdities in public. I can't tell you how many times I ranted about the ridiculous policies of restaurants that had any mask policy at alll. Unless the tables are in hermetically sealed tents with great filtration, Covid is gonna spread, so the ridiculous practice o masks until eating can cause headaches and is one great proof that people are "playing pandemic pretend."
So are just saying let them figure out, on their time, while they usurp our rights and our access to time and space in society.
I'm not sure I'm going go with that.
We don't need to shove it down anyone's throats. It's about the audience.
But it takes effort.
I guess you don't mind arbitrarily masking up when you're told to do so? You'll accept episodic mask mandates on planes and federal buildings,etc.?
Really. Is that OK?
We have second class citizens in the US. Children have been treated like shit.
That's no okay in my book.
I want no part of that. It's wrong
Is that what you think I am saying? Let them figure it out?
What do you think my response has been to those shoving it down our throats? Do you think I have just sat around an let it happen? Or do you think I simply chose not to patronize those places?
Who thinks that what happened to kids over the past two years is a good thing? I think them being out of school is not necessarily bad based on what they are teaching in state schools. But to place all these restrictions on them, make them stay home, force them into novel ways of being instructed all in the name of safety for a disease that doesn't statistically affect them at all? Thankfully I don't have kids of my own, I don't know what I would have done.
Here, here!
And Canada is switching their definition of “fully vaccinated” to “up to date” .... this country is such a mess
Kingdoms are ruled by kings.
Empires are ruled by emperors.
Canada is a country and it is ruled by a ____
F*ckhead!
Just say it Tommy: Fuckhead!
There you go...made me smile!
TURDouche
Corrupt, ruthless, murdering, Dictator.
Couldn't have said it better!
I don’t wanna answer 😭
Ooooh, let me think. Till I see you next Tuesday.
Exactly as we told you they would. At this point I'm quadruple unvaccinated.
Want an award?
He deserves one. Don't you agree?
A friend of mine (pharmacist in PA) text me today and said that he and the other pharmacist at their pharmacy both told (when asked) higher level management that they did not want to vax <= 5-year-old children. Hopefully most pharmacists are doing the same.
But should they vax anyone under 65 is the real question. Genocide is still wrong even when you spare the very youngest 🤷🏼♀️
And wrong when you don't spare the oldest.
Last I heard homicide was as serious as infanticide.
Tell those pharmacists to please provide REAL informed consent to the parents emphasizing it’s an experimental EAU gene fucking therapy with zero data! Tell them that Comirnaty is not available in USA!!!
Comirnaty isn't available anywhere as far as I can tell. It's seems like another sleight of hand. Tell everyone that "the vaccine" has FDA approval. Yet the one you are getting doesn't, meaning Pfizer pays you pfuck all if you are injured,
Tell those pharmacists that they will be held liable for maiming and murdering. Angry parents will have no other option but to blame the pharmacy who poisoned their baby!
tell them also to watch Dr Clare Craig's very recent video ( removed by U tube already) You can see it on rumble. She is a bloody hero !!!
https://newtube.app/user/Fredyatelmstreet13/eM4KE6y
Or try this link ?
Did they ask when they could EXPECT an answer? That's the key...and following-up.
You might offer that to your friend
Anyone who, at the beginning of the pandemic, read anything of the literature regarding previous attempts to make a coronavirus vaccine would have recognized the complexity of the problem. The whole endeavor reeks of human hubris. Did it ever occur to these researchers that it may be evolutionarily maladaptive for humans to cement an antibody response to a highly mutable virus? And that maybe, just maybe, the idea of pursuing a vaccine for such things is ..umm....counterproductive?
But what would I know? I'm no epidemiologist.
The notion that they "didn't know" makes them ignorant beyond belief because there WAS plenty of evidence to suggest this was going to be a piss-poor strategy (all of it...transfections, masking and lockdowns)..and while I could forgive them somewhat for ignorance, all the attempts to shut down/censor valid discussion of the issues reeks of malice.
You couldn't have stated the cluster of stupidity any better.
I see they are getting out ahead of the game to narrative shape. That is a good sign because it means they expect pitchforks but it is more of the same-- spin and mendacity.
Look at all this:
-it was the right decision with what we knew
-it is seen in hindsight
-'we' need to learn from this
-very unknown side effect profile [that wasn't a concern back when you made the decision?]
-had a lack of trust in the authorities [but you can trust them now since they fake apologized and took no responsibility.....right?]
but that last one is a real whopper:
-But what we have to hold on to is that there has been no damage from it. It was more of a misinterpretation of the situation at the time, which we among professionals will discuss for a long time
What he means is 'we' the 'professionals' will discuss this and you unqualified plebians are not invited. We've decided there was no damage, and any damage you show us will be rationalized as something else. Then we will gaslight you into oblivion.
They will keep this up until they are removed from any authority or position of influence.
You're more forgiving than I am! That they recommended it even once is a crime...for children; an abomination...for anyone unforgivable!
No worries, just a misjudgment...no harm, no foul. Are you kidding...people are dead; children are dead and injured beyond imagination and we get forgive me...an understandable mistake, an unfortunate error.
Don't talk to me ever in my lifetime...I'm done with every last one of them because they either knew or should have.
Please go away!
Here here
They say if they knew then what they know now they wouldn’t have vaccinated the children. They say that the side effect profile was unknown at that time. That’s simply not true though. All of us on here knew, we knew in the spring! It is refreshing that they admitted that they made mistakes though.
You have to take the small victories when you get them.
They’re going to start admitting to the lies more and more so that eventually they will say “you chose to vaccinate” victim blaming is coming. All hell will break out just in time for the impending economic crash. TPTB want a civil war. They want an excuse to lock us down hard.
The suffocating propaganda campaign was as toxic as the vaccines themselves. If folks knew how much money was spent on it they’d be more than appalled.
I wonder how Fox News is going to feel about all the blood money they took in, at the expense of their audience...perhaps dwindling audience.
I wonder if they'll figure out they were working against their own best interest?
I’ve given up trying to figure out Fox. The Murdochs seem to be just the latest example of a successful family-controlled media business gone down the tubes at the hands of the second or third generation of ownership. If you take away Tucker, they might be circling the drain a la CNN.
100% agree. I only watch Tucker now. Otherwise I consume my news on the stacks.
At least we get honest debates in good faith here. And it saves time.
Robert Conquest’s third law of politics might explain what we see going on at Fox and elsewhere:
“ The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.”
Good point
Does he have a book. I'm not familiar with him. Shame on me
His specialty was actually Soviet Russia and its wholesale crimes against humanity. You need a strong stomach to read him b/c he does not spare any details. Here’s a link to at least some of his books: https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/29436.Robert_Conquest
Fox doesn't care. The Murdoch family is uber-leftist.
Yup and predators to boot imo
And it runs so much deeper than most people realise. There was the overt spending -- the multimedia ad campaigns sponsored by govts and health agencies, the fluff pieces in newspapers providing good PR for the vaccine programmes, the photo-ops with politicians and celebs, etc.
But there was also the covert spending. The literal psyops taking place across the online world, probably orchestrated by Western intelligence services. Astroturfing tactics such as getting YouTubers and influential commentators to create "organic" content in favour of vaccines; messaging subtly inserted into Netflix shows and other mass programming; getting Reddit and other platforms to censor vaccine-sceptic content and use their algorithms to prioritise pro-vaxx posts, or even create fake ones... And so on.
We really have to ask why so there were so many vested interests in this vaccination programme. Why was it so vital to convince the entire world to inject themselves with these new drugs? Remember, they wanted it to be all 7 billion of us... They "only" managed about 3, if I'm not mistaken.
Reddit is an interesting one, for it's role. Their system encourages groupthink and is hostile to alternative ideas, I got banned from many subreddits for spreading "misinformation" on the covid hysteria.
Yet they love a victim, and the r/CovidVaccinated seems to be catching a huge number of adverse reactions. Too many to ignore.
I posted about it and was made out to be a creep. So some people knew and didn’t care. But let the record show it was not in my name.
Unfortunately, pioneers are the ones who wind up with arrows in their backs.
Looking out my window for flying pigs and monitoring the temperature in hell.
Look at it this way.
Bacon is a good byproduct of your musing.
Two different vultures get justice. The vultures in the wild can feast on the human vultures guts.
Vultures eat their own, just like our public health vultures.
The thing people have forgotten so quickly, even in Europe and certainly in North America, is that the swine flu vaccines used in 2009 were a disaster. And the worst lasting effects, narcolepsy, didn’t manifest for nine months to a year. When they started claiming that any bad reactions to the Covid shot would present quite quickly and if they didn’t then there was no reason to worry, I realized with what bad faith we were being cajoled. That opened up a can of worms I apparently hadn’t been willing to open before. And thank god. No more pricks for us ever again. And I do mean never. Even if I have to stay home all day every day. I got a nice house. 🤙🏼
It will be blamed on long covid. You can see the way this angle is already being pushed.
It was obviously a mistake at the time to use vaccines that had marginal transmission benefit to reduce transmission in subgroups that already had a lot of natural immunity. Reality is that they’re just trying to get ahead of the adverse events reporting that will go on over the next few months.
And years
It is still cowardly and unethical to say the inoculations were OK with what they knew THEN but not OK with what they know NOW. Did anyone care? Ask? Take a moment and use common sense. I guess credit where credit’s due. But very flimsy
“ - With what we know today: yes. With what we knew then: no, was the answer.”
LIE
Absolutely. Total fucking bullshit!
i don’t get the party. they did it anyway EVEN WHEN THERE WAS DATA SHOWING NO NECESSITY AT ALL. now, they “admit” mistake?
come on, tiger. i’m not gonna let anybody off the hook. public health is a dangerous sect. they’re not about right or wrong.