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Denmark also shot down the masks and vaccine passports. Democrats will now ban danishes from menus to fight this dangerous misinformation.

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Danishes will henceforth be known as Freedom Dough.

Er, wait. We're talking Democrats here, so freedom ain't it.

Diversity Dough. That's the ticket.

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BonDoughles, that should cover every politician across the aisle.

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🤣🤣🤣

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"Hamlet" will be in the crosshairs, too. Danish character AND written by a white guy.

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The name also contains 'ham', watch is probably hate speech against Muslims and against Our Values of heart-healthy carbon neutral plant-based diets.

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@John- HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Yep, little Ham = Hamlet.

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To cancel or not to cancel....

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THAT is the question !

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And Danish tennis players will now be banned from Wimbledon.

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They're trying to limit the availability of bacon in California. Supposedly, for animal cruelty or other such reasons but maybe it's really because it's...danish. Hmmm.

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More like Delish!

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How long before Democrats set croissants and other, alternative, breakfast pastries in their social media profiles?

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LOLOLOLOL 🤣🤣🤣

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We are waiting now for Denmark to shot down the pro Ukro-Nazi propaganda... Any time now...

Remember how at the beginning of WW2, UK and Wallstreet were supporting a young man named Adolf for a proxy war to the East? History most certainly rhymes!

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The study is racist. Here's how it works.

https://youtu.be/rzJaAB3tOfs

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Crazy CoVid denier and antivaxxer monkeys.

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Triggered by facts?

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As Biden said, truth before facts - because Government is the only go-to for truth.

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Nice use of irony.

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If it walks like a Masked Duck...it must be a DemoQuack !

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🤣🤣🤣

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When it walks like a gigantic global conspiracy and talks like a gigantic global conspiracy it's ... transphobic racist paranoia to identify it as a gigantic global conspiracy.

More seriously, the reason none of this is discussed is probably a mixture of the covidians tripling down on the sanctity of their sacrament, and the Machiavellians understanding full well that admitting they were this wrong and this mendacious would end with literal heads on literal pikes. Since they control corporate, state, and media power, they don't have to admit anything. So they don't.

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

Agreed, it's very difficult to see how this - just like all legitimate political controversies over the past 20-30 years (as opposed to the manufactured ones) - doesn't just get swept under the rug... because to not do so would be an existential danger to the regime. It could literally cause a revolution for people to see the extent to which hey have been lied to and endangered by corrupt and evil politicians.

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Yep. At this point, the regime's legitimacy is constructed entirely of falsehood. Questioning any part of the Great Narrative is an existential threat to them, which is why they cast such a wide net with censorship.

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Cuz failure is not an option.

ULTIMATE EXTINCTION PLAN (UEP)

1. Every country on the planet is on board with the Injections. Even Sweden. When have all countries aligned on any issue? Never.

2. Not a single MSM outlet is interviewing any of the expert dissenters – Yeadon, Bridle, Montagnier, Bossche etc… and the mainstream social media platforms are blocking them.

Why?

Conventional Oil peaked in 2005 http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/C-Cdec141.png

Shale in 2018.

According to Rystad, the current resource replacement ratio for conventional resources is only 16 percent. Only 1 barrel out of every 6 consumed is being replaced with new resources

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Biggest-Oil-Gas-Discoveries-Of-2019.html

Shale binge has spoiled US reserves, top investor warns Financial Times.

Preface. Conventional crude oil production may have already peaked in 2008 at 69.5 million barrels per day (mb/d) according to Europe’s International Energy Agency (IEA 2018 p45). The U.S. Energy Information Agency shows global peak crude oil production at a later date in 2018 at 82.9 mb/d (EIA 2020) because they included tight oil, oil sands, and deep-sea oil. Though it will take several years of lower oil production to be sure the peak occurred. Regardless, world production has been on a plateau since 2005.

What’s saved the world from oil decline was unconventional tight “fracked” oil, which accounted for 63% of total U.S. crude oil production in 2019 and 83% of global oil growth from 2009 to 2019. So it’s a big deal if we’ve reached the peak of fracked oil, because that is also the peak of both conventional and unconventional oil and the decline of all oil in the future.

Some key points from this Financial Times article: https://energyskeptic.com/2021/the-end-of-fracked-shale-oil/

Shale boss says US has passed peak oil | Financial Times https://www.ft.com/content/320d09cb-8f51-4103-87d7-0dd164e1fd25

Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/11/10/our-fossil-fuel-energy-predicament-including-why-the-correct-story-is-rarely-told/

SEE PAGE 59 - THE PERFECT STORM : The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy. But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel https://ftalphaville-cdn.ft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf

“The global economy was facing the worst collapse since the second world war as coronavirus began to strike in March, well before the height of the crisis, according to the latest Brookings-FT tracking index. “The index comes as the IMF prepares to hold virtual spring meetings this week, when it will release forecasts showing the deepest contraction for the global economy since the 1930s great depression. https://www.ft.com/content/9ac5eb8e-4167-4a54-9b39-dab48c29ac6c

Collapse Imminent: https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/

The Illusion of Stability, the Inevitability of Collapse http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-illusion-of-stability-inevitability.html

Fed is sharply increasing the amount of help it is providing to the financial system https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/23/fed-repo-overnight-operations-level-to-increase-to-120-billion.html Banks did not trust each other - similar situation when Lehman collapsed

Oil Gluts – do NOT indicate we have found more oil. We just pumped what’s left too fast.

Summary In 2019 a second Perfect Storm was approaching – the central banks had been doing ‘whatever it takes’ for over a decade…. Essentially nothing was off the table --- throw the kitchen sink at pushing GFC2.0 into the future. In 2019 the guns were blazing but the beast was no longer held at bay…

What do you do when you are burning far more oil than you discover --- and your efforts to offset the impact of expensive to produce oil push you to the edge of the cliff? You can accept your fate and allow the beast to shove you into the abyss…. Or you can take the ‘nuclear option’ and shut down as much of the economy as possible, preserve remaining oil and pump in trillions of dollars of life support to keep the system feebly alive.

Punchline: The problem global leaders face is that if you unleash the nuclear option without some sort of cover, the sheeple and the markets would be thrown into a panic and you risk blowing things up prematurely. So you need a reason for putting the global economy on ice --- one that does not spook the masses – one that is big enough to justify such epic amounts of stimulus and extreme policies --- and one that allows you to explain ‘this is just temporary – once this is gone --- we will get back to normal’

A pandemic is the perfect cover.

End Game – Covid was foisted on us as cover for the response to peak oil (if we don’t slow the burn oil prices go through the roof and we collapse) but it is also being used to convince billions to be Injected. The Injection is meant to cause extremely deadly variants similar to Marek’s .. only worse because we are deploying into a pandemic https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous.

“Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants.” https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic “unthinkable” and a historical blunder that is “creating the variants” and leading to deaths from the disease.

Imperfect vaccines can make a virus more prevalent and more deadly. some questions on covid vaccines and their policy implications. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/leaky-vaccines-super-spreads-and?s=w

The Vaccines and Boosters will Result in a Catastrophic Outcome - From a scientific viewpoint it is, therefore, difficult to understand how booster immunizations using vaccines which are not evolution-proof could prevent a highly mutable virus from escaping neutralizing anti-S Abs while driving the pandemic in a catastrophic direction, both in Israel and worldwide. How can the WHO stand by and watch as this additional experiment unfolds, soon to be followed by other countries? https://thehighwire.com/videos/vaccine-expert-warns-of-covid-vaccination-catastrophe/

The Vaccines ARE causing Mass Death https://metatron.substack.com/p/covid-requiem-aeternam?s=r

If you have a large pool of hosts that all have the same fixation, then you have a large number of individual labs in which to have such a mutation occur. You have far more hosts in which to have random chances occur, all selecting for a mutation that attacks one specific weakness and that weakness is in most of the population, so once it’s out, there is no stopping it. And if this fixation prevents the hosts from developing strong new immunities based on these novel pathogens, this becomes iterative. you get wave after wave of pandemics until you wipe out the susceptible population. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/homogenizing-herd-level-antigenic

The reason for this is that 8B people need cheap energy to live. They would starve without it. And 8B people without food would result in epic starvation, violence, rape and cannibalism. Industrial civilization ends soon after peak oil. Unfortunately we also have 4000 spent fuel ponds that will boil off and release toxic substances for centuries. These facilities cannot be controlled with computers and energy. So even the few remaining hunters and gatherer tribes will die as they consume these toxins in the food, air and water.

The PTB understand all of this and that is WHY every leader is on board with the Injections. There is NO way out of this --- so they have decided to mitigate the suffering as much as possible by putting us down and here is the mechanism https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2.

Also note – when BAU collapses the PTB will not be insulated from the violence or starvation – or the spent fuel ponds. They are likely to be scapegoated and targeted by violent hordes. There system of power collapses with BAU so their protectors abandon them (or worse – turn on them). They have chosen to go down with the ship rather than be skinned alive by angry mobs who will be blaming them for the fact that their families are starving.

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I (searching for pitchfork) agree.

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I am adding pitchfork makers to my portfolio.

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I am also long torches.

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🔥💣

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Apr 24, 2022·edited Apr 24, 2022

How about gallows manufacturers? Oh, and guillotines? Tar? Feathers?

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Tarred & feathered is too good for them

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tar, feather and the rest of the chicken treatment.

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🔱

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Spot on

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I find it odd to say the least that AZ & JNJ reduce CV deaths given they, like all four c19 agents, induce thromboembolic events.

I’d be interested to hear Prof Norman Fenton’s review of the way the clinical information has been used here.

There have been claims in the past with these agents which turn out not to be true & arose from data fraud.

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Word. At this point, my skepticism at any claim of efficacy or safety cannot be overstated.

That said the pathological desire of the WEFites to get mRNA jabbed into every bloodstream does make me suspect that while the adenovirus vector shots aren't likely to be safe, they're likely to be safer than the Frankenjuice.

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I don't trust it. I know one J&J jab recipient who, in excellent health, had a 'brain-bleed' that led to a stroke a few weeks later. Not enough to extrapolate anything, perhaps, but I took it as evidence to pass on an experimental jab with no clear data on risk VS reward.

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Yes, I know a 42-year-old woman who had a severe brain hemorrhage after the J & J. Almost a year later, she still has serious problems and may never feel good again.

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So much unnecessary suffering. It is heartbreaking.

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And her probability of catching Covid-19 last year and getting hospitalized may have been almost 0 at that age. Now she's disabled for life and still can catch Covid-19 and die from it. Quackcination is a futile exercise.

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My son took the J&J shortly before it was pulled.. He developed unrelenting diarrhea that sent him to the hospital. It eventually resolved, but now he has covid, along with many of his fellow Brooklynites, who are now getting covid despite being vaxxed.

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Oh sorry to hear that. Is he now at least resistant to more? I'm hoping one of the upsides of bad outcomes to the jab, is a healthy suspicion.

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Thank you Kathleen. He never feared covid, he took the vaccine because a girlfriend thought it would protect her mother. I guess you could say he did it for love, but soon regretted it when he was hospitalized. No more for him.

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@Momo- my husband's cardiologist told him NOT to get the booster, that it may kill him.

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I hope your husband takes heed. He is fortunate to have a cardiologist who warned him.

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Like

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Glad to hear it. Many people did it for the same reasons. "They" know how to manipulate human goodness.

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A reminder how important it is to know what goodness is beyond what society says. I’ve noticed that people with a strong foundation of individual identity are the ones who remain strong. Those who have the resolve to endure being vilified for their views or choices demonstrate that they are independent thinkers, standing on a foundation. Those are the ones who resist manipulation.

I’ve observed this in many other issues over the last 2 years—BLM, what is a woman, toxic masculinity, stand with Ukraine, masking, trans kids. It takes training and an open mind to have developed the resolve to resist the propaganda which has been bombarding us for these last few years.

If you’ve made it this far, you have a strong resolve, up there with the greatest of humankind. If you’re just learning of the manipulation and have found you need to train your resolve, welcome my friend. The path is steep and difficult, but it is what being here is all about, watching the truth unfold and allowing it to change you, no matter the cost.

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So true. I've been struck from the beginning of all this that the "bad guys" seem to know far more about human nature than the rest of us, and they don't hesitate to weaponize it against us.

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within my uc group someone took J&J early on, bad flare that led to kidney failure. however, I suppose that beats the mrnas.. had heard from patient co-operative doctor that a few developed unstoppable flares leading to death. the ivermectin flares from the folks I know who took that seemed more sporadic but at least resolved when usage halted with help of other medication/supplements to reduce flare symptoms. idk.. I just keep enjoying lacto fermented based stuff, seems to bring the best of both worlds in protection of covid and flares.

other than that, my sister, triple jabbed keeps getting it. after getting it post 3rd one she swore off any future jabs.

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ivermectin flares?

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NF-κB path signals on macrophages induces flares.

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Coworker of mine, healthy active 30 something has had a weird thyroid issue and his heart randomly raced out of control post j&j shot. He lost a ton of weight and looked like a meth addict for a while. With even more meds they got it under control and he put some weight back on. He blames the vax but the doctors say coincidence. 🙄

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

To add my own anecdote: my wife and I both got the j&j without issue. We got knocked on our butts for about 24 hours, but nothing else.

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That's good to hear.

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Agree completely. Gato usually delves deeply into studies such as these and works hard to identify possible flaws. Hope he will get around to doing this for this study.

Dr. Kulldorff seems to have finally acknowledged the mRNA vax failure. Also, while pointing out the positive findings regarding AZT & J&J he tempers his enthusiasm by stating:

"The strength of the Danish study is that it is based on randomized controlled trials. The primary weakness is that the follow-up time is short. This is because the manufacturers ended the clinical trials prematurely, after the vaccines received emergency use authorization.

"Another weakness is that the data does not allow us to determine how these results may differ by age. While anyone can get infected, there is more than a thousand-fold difference in the risk of dying from Covid between the old and the young."

A far more skeptical take of this study is from an excellent analyst on twitter, Orwell2024@orwell2022, and is quite worth a read.

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As gato says, "but rather the fact that is is now becoming OK to say this out loud and to publish it in places like 'the lancet'."

This study strikes me as "dipping a toe in the water" to see what happens...

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@Martha- it is and I have a feeling it will open up the Heavens.

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Praying that you are correct!

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The paper is still a pre-print, not accepted for publication.

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The McCullough-Rose paper actually got published (see url below), then was pulled. It will be interesting to see what happens with this pre-print...

https://palexander.substack.com/p/this-myocarditis-paper-by-mccullough?s=r

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I think Gato is pointing out this is still based on early data. It also doesn’t look at clots and strokes, only cardiovascular events? It would look far worse if other bad outcomes had been considered. From menstrual changes to neuro events…

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Thank you for the prompt to view that Twitter thread. I normally stay out of that toxic lake.

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I just commented before reading your post, Dr. Yeadon. I'm relieved to read your comments. I cannot share this article with my 19 y.o. now because it will give her another reason to go get jabbed. Ugh... I'll keep it to myself for the time being as she's on the edge and I will do everything in my power to keep my kids healthy and away from these toxic shots.

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One thing you can do is stall her until all the injuries and deaths come out in the mainstream. Tell her the current jabs are outdated and she should wait until there is a “better” one. Once she buys in, you can pepper her with injuries and death reports so she rejects the whole idea.

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Yup, that has been my strategy.

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I’ve been pointed to this twitter thread. Author does a good job in pointing out how what I recorded as scepticism is indeed bias in the RCT for the AZ agent:

https://twitter.com/orwell2022/status/1517788569049485319?s=21

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In fact vaccines can lower all cause mortality. Did this one? In this trial it did

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The amount of reduction is huge. And that’s presumably net of vaccine lethality.

So I’m sceptical, that’s all.

It turns out others are too, and if you follow the thread I linked to, you’ll see what that person thinks & why.

So I’m not disagreeing with your general point. Live attenuated vaccines definitely do reduce ACM. Recombinant vaccines didn’t, in the very large study of African children I recall reading a year ago.

What I’m questioning is whether the claim that the c19 DNA vaccines have the claimed effects. Because I don’t believe it. Not least because they kill 1:2000 or so people injected.

I didn’t want to believe the pre-registration trial for the Pfizer agent was crooked, but it is. I knew it was bent when I saw the huge imbalance of withdrawals (of their data) from that trial for unspecified protocol violations. Just not possible if the blind is maintained.

So there we have it: a fraudulent study.

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I think you missed that 1/3 of the trial was truly saline. Another 1/3 was Meningococcal vaccine with all it's known problems including death.

The saline group had near zero reactions. That's the true result not the distorted one that uses a known toxic injection to skew results.

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Good points! Thank you.

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Such conclusions would of course not have been published by the lancet

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Indeed.

The BMJ editorial however did pretty much make this accusation. Dr Peter Doshi, deputy editor, has paddled right out into the open, then gave it both barrels.

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The reality is that it's necessary to examine RCTs very, very carefully before agreeing with their conclusions and giving them the stamp of approval for widespread treatment.

Re this study, here is an example that has already been pointed out:

The South African RCT cited in the study involved Astra Zeneca vs placebo.

A total of 4 people died. Three had the placebo and one had the vax.

But one must look at a footnote to see that the four deaths were due to: gunshot, blunt force trauma to head, homicide, suicide.

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To be sure. The author's would agree. No one would expect to see gun violence be cured by a shot. But if one has studied the cholesterol trials one might be surprised

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Welcome to South Africa....... freaking hell-hole.....

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Yeah, this endorsement of J&J and AZ is odd. The latter was pulled from the market in Scandinavia already in March 2021 due to the clotting, and actually led to the term "clot shot" for all the vaccines. I looked at the adverse events in Denmark and it was like 25% in Denmark for these 150k AZ shots before they pulled. When I was looking at the data some time last summer the adverse events for Pfizer and AZ were the same but something like 2-3 million Pfizer shots had been administered. (I still view the Pfizer numbers to be too high!) These are serious adverse events that are recorded by the government because the person needs to seek medical care. AZ was also knocking out hospitals because they started giving it to young people first and prioritized healthcare workers in Feb-Mar 21, and often more than 40% were absent from work after the shots. The AZ was originally not given to elderly because it had not been tested with them, so then they shifted gears and gave it to them after all unless they went for a full ban like in Norway and Denmark. In Spain they wound up giving AZ to 60-69 year olds, which was ridiculous. Neither too young or too old....... And then they shipped the leftovers to the poor sods in the South Pacific or other godforsaken place.

Also, AZ is truly, grossly ineffective. I think the UK is overall better off because AZ was so useless that people were naturally infected anyway. I think after 6-8 weeks the antibodies had waned 85% and the starting number is 10% of the MRNA juice. Not that I believe in the "massive antibody avalanche" or whatever the idiot Fauci promoted as being fantastic.

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The best shot is lethal injection. You get it and you are sure that you don’t die from covid. 100%.

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Got a kick out of that one. Funny

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I am in agreement with you. I would like to see more peer review on what could be a very important paper.

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For J&J, 96 people in the placebo group "terminated prematurely", compared to 49 for the vaccine (Table S3). That doesn't seem so random. It was also odd how the stars came into alignment for J&J's mortality statistic. The original numbers would be more trustworthy if they came from independent researchers. https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2101544/suppl_file/nejmoa2101544_appendix.pdf

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these author are highly trustworthy. they too know the limitations of the data they are working with. But nonspecific effects of vaccines , (live virus vaccines lowering all cause mortality) is known

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I don't think anyone is doubting the probity of the authors. It's the probity of the various RCTs (and their very obvious limitations in methodology) that clearly indicates that this study is very far from gold standard. But it's certainly a step few other researchers have dared to take, so the authors should indeed be praised.

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There's no need for any. Even the existence of a new virus being the culprit of the *few cases with differentiated symptoms called covid is in question. It’s part of the covidian debate.

There are several options for prevention and treatment protocols which work very well for the few real cases with differentiated symptoms called covid, and work also for fake pcr covid.

Pcr tests are scientifically meaningless, not for diagnosis. Statistics are flawed for this, and other reasons.

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Plus, any vax requirement would not let you just get one jab and done. Those who took the J&J thinking they could get away with one jab were disabused of that notion by dictatorial governors and employers.

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Not true in all instances. I had to take a vaccine to keep my job and chose the JJ. I have not and will not be required to take any additional "boosters." Unfortunately lots of college kids who were mandated to take a vaccine including JJ were required to take a "booster"

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Same

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I kinda waited to see efficacy and how long they lasted since we WFH and homeschool the kids so we didn’t have to risk exposure while community spread was high. It seemed like J&J efficacy wore out soon (although, it seems like there remains a possible overall 81% reduction in mortality benefit). I never considered mRNA vax. Was looking at J&J or waiting to see how NovaVax shook out. I’m glad I didn’t get any based on current stats in UK; unvaccinated are doing best in their current wave with the Boosted doing the worst.

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Had a friend telling me J&J was the way to go: one and done, and no mRNA weirdness. He hasn't had any effects that I've noticed. On the other hand nothing that's emerged over the last year has done anything but reinforce my determination not to get one of these poisonous shots.

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J&J is worthless since you can't get into a broadway show or keep a job under a mandate with that shot. As for medical reasons the shots have nothing to do with medicine.

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My hubby got JNJ. He is not getting any booster. We’re in our middle 70’s. I’m unjabbed. It’s staying that way. I just decided at the beginning to wait and see. I was worried about travel but hung in. As panicked others got the jabs. I had super mild Covid January 2021 snd a very strong immune system. I worry about my family. They live in NY.

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My employer tried to mandate it. I just ignored them. First they extended the deadline. Then they extended it again. Then it was struck down in court and they dropped it. A couple of months later they abruptly reversed policy and reinstated it, giving us just a couple weeks to comply. My first and only response to them, four months after their first email telling me I had to get vaxxed, was to file a sharply worded religious exemption request two days before the deadline, which was approved without comment a couple hours after submission.

YMMV but my sense is that the mandates are about 90% bluff. Most people seem to have pre-emptively complied without even trying to fight them.

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Healthy people were never at risk of death or severe disease from the virus. Data always showed the survivability at over 99% for the majority of people under 70 y.o. WHY take something with no longitudinal data when symptoms resemble a flu or a cold for most healthy people?

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While I wholeheartedly agree with avoiding the vaccines, losing sense of smell and taste (possibly permanently) and developing damaged lungs due to a "mild" disease (aka supplemental oxygen wasn't required) isn't exactly a walk in the park. I know quite a few people young people hit early by the virus who are still dealing the fallout and may never fully recover.

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It's truly regrettable that people were denied access to the various early treatment protocols proven safe and effective outside of the US. Have your friends looked at the FLCCC for post-infection treatments?

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@MLL- it's why I never got any. I'm 61 and knew I'd be able to handle it. Oh, I was sick. Don't think I wasn't. But I made it with DayQuil and its nightly sibling, sipping broth and eating Jello. The chills were the worst part. I've never experienced anything like that before.

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Isn’t it interesting that other countries are doing the work that the United States just won’t do? I am so disappointed in the USA right now. Joe Biden is a complete fraud.

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Trump brought us into this mess... let's be objectively accurate.

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well, trump got co-opted by a set of galloping health agencies and pharma cos.

it was not really his doing. that gang would have dragged nearly anyone along with them.

this is not to excuse trump's blatant cheer leading for it nor his complete failure of nerve in facing down lockdowns and all the other stupidity fauci and brix railroaded him with, he froze and he failed, but warp speed was not really his creation nor his hobbyhorse.

that was a conflagration of conflicted interests and profiteers that was going to act as it did no matter what.

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Trump continues to choose to take credit for the vaccines under warp speed as “father of the vaccine.” He can’t admit the vaccines are killing people because of his narcissism. And he blames Democrat propaganda for his followers who refuse the vaccines.

So yeah. Fuck Trump, too. Because he doesn’t give two runny shits about you.

If there's one good thing that has come from this pandemic, it is watching the wholesale destruction of modern 'snake oil' medicine, and ALL politicians. Maybe after a hundred years of this incredibly destructive bullshit, we can get back to reality now.

https://rumble.com/v11vnhh-trump-on-vaccines-i-think-the-other-side-actually-poisoned-people-on-it.html

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"It was a beautiful vaccine, an amazing vaccine, and no one could have delivered it so swiftly, but me"...

I'm not a hater. I actually thought he was the most entertaining president in 40 years, so that makes him pretty great. I don't appreciate competent leaders, but I do appreciate entertaining ones. Why? They're dancing monkeys... And dammit, when I tell them to dance, they better dance.

Trump danced for 4 years. Sometimes well and sometimes poorly, but I was pleasantly entertained. Unlike many before him and the sad doddering oaf after him.

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I can’t disagree. I still enjoy watching Trump troll the left! But I’m pretty conspiratorial about everything. I wonder even if Trump was recruited.

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“Nobody makes vaccines like I do, believe me…”

😂🤣😁

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I think he wanted a simple solution to a complex problem. And he got absolutely rolled.

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Is covid really a complex problem? There were pandemic guidelines in place, which seemed fairly sensible. Should have stuck to those as Sweden pretty much did. Didn't come out any worse for it.

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"So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."

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Apr 24, 2022·edited Apr 25, 2022

I couldn't agree more. I supported Trump. But I think it is fair to say: Trump gave oxygen to this man-made catastrophe, by allowing the extension of the "15 days to slow the spread for another month. That was, and still remains, the critical inflection point. Everything else is ancillary.

I'll admit he was in a trickbox. That said, a leader is supposed to recognize a trickbox, accept it, seek counsel, provide a solution and then make his case as to why the long term "COST", of this nonsense, should be rejected. And, yes, sometimes, the best solution, is void of benefit, and unfortunately comes at a cost. He did not recognize that - and it cost him and the country.

I'm very disappointed that he did not rally the country around the only true solution there was: Let healthy Americans protect the vulnerable by being "brave" (hate using that word because it doesn't apply here) and "filtering" C19; that it was patriotic to take this head-on rather then kicking the can down the road. In order to do this effectively, he needed to make his case that there was a "price" to be paid no matter what. But the price to hide from it would be orders of magnitude higher. For the Trump apologist, It is not a valid point to say: well, he did mention, several times, that the "cure could be worse than the disease".

To make this point, he would also have had to tell it like it is: that it is also patriotic for the vulnerable to stay at home until the healthy have done their job, protecting the vulnerable, by taking on the risk of getting C19. That's what a leader does: make the tough decisions when you don't have all the information, when there are no "good" options and then communicate to the public the way forward. In other words, make an appeal to Americans that, it was ultimately in every individuals (and the countries) best interests to rally around mitigating the unavoidable "pain" and to emphasize, it would also require accepting the relatively low risk. To do otherwise, would be cowardly and result in even more deaths of the vulnerable. He could've made "hero's" out of the average citizen - instead of victims.

If he would have done this, he would have created peer pressure to be brave and for each individual to do their part in a common goal - and provided an incentive - be a hero and a patriot. The effect could've been like women in the World Wars giving white feathers to cowardly men: force them to make a decision on whether they wanted to be viewed as a coward and/or a liability. He could've thrown over the checkers board and put the onus on those who were unjustifiably fearful, to either do their part, or stay home and do nothing. Instead he compounded his predicament and allowed shame to be used as a weapon against him and folks like us.

The risk to the healthy was always negligible and he should have made that clear - we knew from the beginning that to be true. His lack of foresight, led to the opposite type of peer pressure, which was a key feature used to protract this nightmare. He should've recognized that his reelection was at more risk, if he allowed the country to be paralyzed by fear. So through his own "fear" of losing something (the election), he allowed fear to manifest itself (even among his supporters), throughout the country. Fear leads to indifference, selfishness and ultimately a perceived zero-sum situation. A leader can both have empathy and courage at the same time. By failing to understand this, he allowed the narrative to grow roots. This means, he too, may have to pay a price politically. He chose the "easy" way out by hoping this would self-resolve or that the "vaccine" would magically end the "pandemic". In a word he was myopic - at his own expense - and the immediate detriment of millions of people - and eventually all citizens.

A leader understands that being indecisive compounds the problem, confuses followers and always leads to poor outcomes.

By following this strategy he allowed cowardness to become a virtue. He did not recognize that that was the "real" trickbox he (and the country) was in.

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Apr 24, 2022·edited Apr 25, 2022

Desantis is a true leader. He made tough decisions, he understood the concept of "net" negative/positive outcomes and was prepared (in fact expected) from the beginning that the facts on the ground could change, thereby requiring a course correction. He did that in April 2020. In order to do that you have to think forward and understand having a true plan accounts for contingencies, which necessarily will require modification to the original plan. A good plan doesn't necessarily change the objective/strategy; rather it refines the tactics to achieve the defined outcome. Lastly he understood that you can never account for all contingencies, which requires other difficult decisions. He understood that a plan is never right - but it's necessary. Successful business owners and military leadership understand this concept. They are not afraid to charter a course, while at the same time not allowing their pride to affect the success of the mission.

Does anyone remember Trump defining the mission? He didn't; which doomed him, leading to recalcitrance and complacency. If you doubt that; ask yourself how many of your neighbors educated themselves, were wiling to "risk" something and were assets vs. liabilities. He created liabilities out of many potential "assets".

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We'll all be dead and gone by the time any truthful history is written but this will do as the Cliff Notes version. All the tragedy boiled down to the essence.

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Agreed as to being co-opted. Who could have predicted? But Trump wasn't just cheer leading. He was the Grand Marshall of the parade. He thought the parade was for him. Silly President.

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I definitely hope people hold both failed presidents to account and 2024 gives us a new option (DeSantis) to vote for.

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Agreed, but I am so pessimistic that I assume if DeSantis were no longer Gov, the state would immediately turn blue overnight.

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I kind of like DeSantis in Florida as it leaves potential for parallelization of a "Free America" should the "Nation" end up worse for any reason... I don't want to lose what cornerstone we have in FL for a miss at the National Level. What upside to gain? (Trump got ran over in his term)

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@Jim- just like his predecessors, Trump was not a medical doctor. He HAD to rely on the 'experts' like anyone in his position.

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But you can choose your experts. Trump chose the wrong ones.

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@Manuel- you chose your doctor/mechanic/appliance repair/babysitter on advice from others, correct? Because those are not your domains, you needed to trust that advice. Amiright?

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Yes, MDs schooled in the exquisite art of "public health policy." They are Seventh Degree Blackbelts in making things worse. Forget deep state, it's the "shallow state."

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Exactly. By the same twisted logic that expects a politician to be an expert on every aspect of life that crosses his or her path... y'all should have known if you voted for Trump because it's your fault. Democracy sucks because the vast majority of people on any given subject are clueless.

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@Fryd- it's why we have a representative republic. They're supposed to know FOR us. However, times have changed. There is more public education now with quite a bit of higher learning. One problem is people, no matter their socio-economic backgrounds, vote the way their parents did simply because it's what they've always done. Same for religion- habit. The political parties have changed but the voting habits have not.

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Fauci predicted it in 2017 when he stated there would be a surprise outbreak during his presidency.

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"Predicted" is used loosely here -- "Divulged the plan" is more appropriate.

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This is fair. Do recall Trump balking when certain governors' actions flew in the face of the recs coming down from said agencies. He had the opportunity to be a beacon and he didn't seize on the moment and here we are with Biden and reversion to mask mandate mean.

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A beacon? 😹 He got behind Hydroxychloroquine; Big Media/Tech and corrupt government bureaucrats dragged him for it!

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Well then he should have gotten up to speed on being a real president before he got there. I don’t give him any props. He’s done. Stick a meat fork in him.

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Couldn’t agree more, Janet. Let’s move on to other potential contenders. Both of these guys need to buy stock in Depends and stop pandering to their bases.

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I don't really blame him for initially pushing the vaccine, as everyone seemed to do. According to Scott Atlas, Trump was under a lot of pressure from everyone, including Pence and the chief of staff, not to make waves before the election. I do, however, blame Trump now for relentlessly pushing the vaccines and boosters. At least he is against mandates.

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If you blame Biden, you must also blame Trump in every way because at least Trump had a few brain cells left to rub together unlike grumpy grampy-B. It WAS “his doing” 100%. The man had some balls, but not enough to stand up to Pharma.

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Oh come on. Much more is known now, than prior to January 2021. Biden has zero excuse right now. ZERO.

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I did not defend him (Biden) why are you acting as if I did? Trump is getting his “booster” and telling all of his followers to do the same. Captured by Pharma is captured by Pharma, no matter who is in the big house.

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That's the best explanation of Trump's behavior I've seen. My question - has he stopped pushing boosters?

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I don’t think so. Didn’t he brag about getting a booster recently? I could look this up also but I could have sworn he did. 🙄

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I quit listening to or watching him after he endorsed Dr. Oz for the PA senate seat. I had heard second-hand that he had stopped pushing the boosters because of blowback from some supporters. I'll look it up, but thanks.

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Yes. He’s still being an idiot, using the fact that DeSantis probably didn’t take a booster to, according to the author, position himself for a presidential campaign in 2024 🤪

Always interesting to see how these idiots think (both the MSM and the politicians): https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-slams-desantis-over-covid-vaccine-booster-shot-why-could-ncna1287445

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Lol! I haven’t paid attention to Dr Oz for 15 years but one thing that did make me sit up recently with regard to him was he was censored either on Twitter or chided by some government entity or agency.

The commies are really going for the jugular now if someone as bland and boring as Dr Oz is getting censured.

I love this timeline! 😍

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

Trump can do nothing NOW. But Joe Biden certainly can. Trump never mandated anything. He only made it available for those that wanted it. Fauci should be fired and arrested. Trump wanted to make HCQ and other therapies available. Biden won’t lift a finger. He’s far worse than Trump, in my opinion. More is known now, than then.

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Trump didn't fire Fauci even after his supporters in unison were shouting "FIRE FAUCI" at his rallies. Fauci is embedded deeply somehow, clearly, how these positions exist is probably something to do with why we had Nazi's running the rocket programs (tin hat guess.)

True Trump did voice HCQ and preemptive treatment options which were poo poo'd by "agencies" but he eventually capitulated to take a W with "Warp Speed" (which to me is puzzling as who does he think his base is, he lost, congrats he played himself)

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I’m disappointed by how many in the base still make excuses for him when he failed on the most important test of his presidency so spectacularly we have a 12 sigma increase in all cause mortality of working age people. You don’t just get forgiven for that and yet the Trump base, even the ones that know the vaccines are deadly failures still want him voted in again. Conservatives, talk to your people please.

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It has nothing to do about the base and everything to do with logic. Your argument simply fails to justify how any politician is supposed to overcome a massive and concerted scam, failure call it what you want, by virtually the entire medical science industry and supporting media. People that read these posts are still in the minority and even then people most that are against the vaccines are clueless pretenders that need others to interpret the papers and analysis for them. Add to that the fact that information has been coming out in drips and drabs, and the quality of the information and research protocols have been atrociously lacking in detail, urgency and seemingly deliberately opaque. Where is the mass outrage from the experts, the media, the politicians, the medical and scientific fraternity? Why and how has this happened in the first place? The whole system is stuffed and thousands of people and organizations are complicit in this diabolical and unprecedented circus. It may be that Trump was in on the deal right from the start, but if not, there was simply nothing he or any other politician swimming against the current could have done anything about it.

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We can think of corruption of public health officials, but until Sen Johnson can compel their testimony we won't know. The NIH and pHarma are much too cozy.

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

So are you planning to vote for Biden? He says he’s running again. How disappointed in Biden are you? Are you talking to “your liberal people” about him?

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Aimee- I will talk to Liberals from Team Reality about voting for DeSantis until I lose my voice. I’m not saying Dick about Trump or Biden. I won’t hold my nose and vote for either of those failed geezers.

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FJB. I don’t vote for Neo-cons and Boomers with dementia

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I suppose the base, whoever they might be, might assess Trump did the best he could given the data at the time. He did try to stop entry into the US, kind of a containment notion. He did require the agencies to streamline processes to get approval for vaccine he was assured were wonderful things, he talked of HCQ and disinfectants. The alternate drugs were used a weapons. Disinfectants in fact do work to stop the virus from replicating using diluted solution. These were rejected out of hand but actually were grandma's tools before modern medicine.

He couldn't keep NY/NJ from killing seniors with bad policy and was against the shutdown more from an an economic perspective. Turn out his sense was right given the supply chain issues and the money hemorrhaging that created today's inflation. And his instinct about masks although centered on his vanity started the insane politicization of the pandemic as Pelosi mocked him.

Humans make errors but his were minor compared to those around him including the loyal opposition.

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Maiming half the population is not a minor error.

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If it's between Biden and Trump i'm voting for Trump. Biden mandated we buy insurance and Trump put an end to that noise (the only reason he got my attention, well that and Bulk Power systems, reshoring factories Biden let leave over decades etc...)

He may be victim of some blackmail or he may be a bad actor controlled opposition. Or he may have just been outplayed. Conservatives are trippin' tho, legalize weed and take the easy dub. Free nonDeadly plants >> Warp Speed deathlyToxins (TBD)

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What other choice do we have? There are no perfect politicians, just better and worse ones.

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

I definitely agree with your assessment. “Mistakes were made” just doesn’t begin to cover it. But what excuse can be made for Joe Biden right now? He is allowing diseased migrants to flow into the U.S. across the southern border, while trying to mandate the suppression of our immune systems!

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FJB. I hate them both. Let’s move on please with young, sharp, capable leadership. I’m in the bottom left corner of the political quadrant and I am begging to vote for DeSantis if that tells you anything.

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I think we can agree. Uniparty sucks lol

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Biden is no laughing joke. He is a national security threat.

I'd take Trump any day. At least he loved our country and had functioning frontal lobe

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I remember all the push-back Trump got trying to open up on April 12, 2020. He kept pushing for it on the days leading up to Easter (April 12) saying people should be allowed to go to church, and the pandemic is essentially over. The MSM and "experts" went into gear and steamrolled him.

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They also called Trump a “racist xenophobe” when he banned flights into the U.S. from China in January of 2020.

What democrats said after Trump’s flight restrictions & mandatory quarantines in January 2020:

“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed.

CNN ran a story warning that “the US coronavirus travel ban could backfire” and have the effect of “stigmatizing countries and ethnicities.”

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned it would increase “fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.”

Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.), who chaired a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing on the epidemic: “In our response we can’t create prejudices and harbor anxieties toward one population. Besides the diplomatic blowback, the travel ban probably doesn’t make sense.”

The American Civil Liberties Union warned that the administration's measures “infringe on civil rights.”

Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute of Global Health: “Travel restrictions hurt economies and divert public health resources into enforcing a ban that may not be useful at preventing the spread of infection.”

The “No Ban Act,” introduced by Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA) & co-sponsored by 219 House Democrats, would have prevented Trump from immediately implementing a travel ban on China once the outbreak of coronavirus spread past its origins of Wuhan.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/11/democrat-response-to-coronavirus-end-trumps-travel-bans-on-china-iran/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) also weighed in when he explicitly said he would not close America’s borders to protect Americans from the coronavirus.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/10/watch-bernie-sanders-open-borders-coronavirus/

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Accurate, I remember him removing his mask when he came back to the White House from his short stint at Walter Reed. He signal'd some of the right things some of the time but it was not enough.

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If you think Trump and Biden aren’t just two heads of the same eagle, you may want to take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture.

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Beyond asinine comment. Congrats.

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I’m sorry, but that’s just silly. One is loved by the media; the other was hated from Day 1. Just look who the media covers for, and you will find your snake.

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The media needs both a scapegoat and a golden child to steer public opinion.

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Yeah, that just doesn’t make sense in this case. Trump is hated by both parties for a reason. But you are entitled to your opinion, of course. I just don’t agree with it.

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I would say that Trump trusted all the wrong people. He’d never been a politician before. Biden has 40 years of corruption experience.

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But he’s STILL doing the same things, came out to endorse Dr Oz who has no record that shows he will be politically conservative, also endorsed JD Vance who was a ‘Never Trump’-er and is quite likely to be a RINO, had Mitch McConnell’s wife in his cabinet, etc. I want to like Trump and I want to be excited by him but currently he’s showing he hasn’t learned from any of his past mistakes.

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Apr 26, 2022·edited Apr 26, 2022

As so often in his presidency. Nearly all the faux "scandals" he faced were a direct result of people he put around him. His need for adoration/praise often exposed his blind spot; naivete

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If Trump was dumb enough to get okie doked into throwing us under this bus then i guess he's just that stupid and shitty at game theory, whatever, he's not fit. But if he knew, then he's as evil as the rest that are, true.

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His evils, in general, are smaller ones.

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The question to ask is why? We live in an extremely litigious society and trial lawyers are just about all Democrats. Perhaps the drug companies can’t be sued for endangerment and fraud, but can the FDA and govt types who pushed it along be exposed for their lies? Regardless, whatever the truth is it will ultimately come out.

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

The liability issue was the key to pushing the mandate. Fauci talked Trump into it, because of his experience with AIDS back in the 80s. He knew that escaping financial liability would be absolutely essential. Trump got duped, in my opinion.

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They’ll blame it all on Trump. Even the idiots with the yard sign, “In Fauci We Trust”

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The HIV/AIDS scam used the exact same playbook. Fauci knows what he is doing and his eugenicist masters pay him well to do it.

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Truth will come out, but what will be done about it? "Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who," will be the messaging to borrow from Python.

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Not sure - the elites getaway with crimes and poor behavior all day long. Just look at the Crackhead Hunter and the Big Man who takes bribes.

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Yep. Nearly 30 years since Waco.....who suffered for that, other than Davidians?

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/29-years-after-waco-whos-been-held?s=w

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What troubles me most is, why the worldwide coercion to vaccinate? It's one thing to make this garbage available to everyone who wants it, but to force people, under threats of dismissal and loss of freedoms, is unconscionable.

If someone wants to proffer an innocent explanation for this, I'd love to hear it. As it stands, I remain at Defcon 2 until further notice.

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I agree with the assessment of 'worldwide coercion'. While husband and I have refused the shot, our adult 'kids' were pushed to get the shot to 'get along', one of whom is in the navy. Now they have gotten a little more information and neither is getting boosted, thankfully.

What to do with our steadfastness?

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There doesn't have to be a reason if it's about control and bondage. That's the point: To wear people down and make them indifferent to the consequences of their submission to coercion. The vaccine is just a means to an end. Keep watching.

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What's frightening is that the control demanded is absolute control of life or death. Regardless of how safe or dangerous these particular "vaccines" are, establishing the precedent that people must take them without recourse means that whoever is giving them out can administer poison or placebo at will. Connect that up with a database of identity, financials, social credit, and personalized medicine, with mandatory regular boosters, and deadwood and dissenters can be snuffed individually as easily and as unaccountably as social media accounts can be deleted.

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Next level Snow! You tied it all together. It is astonishing to me that these scenarios are possible - or perhaps inevitable?

And what a "low" bar we faced to be in such a precarious situation. Grim is in play. All the tools are available - they've been practicing for 2 years.

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Apr 23, 2022·edited Apr 23, 2022

The biggest fraud in history might be the medical industrial complex.

Starting in the mid-1800s, there was a steady drop in deaths from all infectious diseases, decreasing to relatively minor levels by the early 1900s. The history of that transformation involves famine, poverty, filth, lost cures, eugenicist doctrine, individual freedoms versus state might, protests and arrests over vaccine refusal, and more. We are told that medical interventions increased our lifespan and single-handedly prevented mass death.

Vaccines, antibiotics, and other medical interventions are not responsible for the increase in lifespan and the decline in mortality from infectious diseases. For the past 100 year or more "modern medicine" has been claiming credit for things that builders, sewerage workers, water treatment plants, gutter designers, roofers, fridge inventors, electricians etc have created.

The belief that injecting synthetic chemicals made by habitually criminal companies who profit from perpetual disease somehow produces health is not only ridiculous and unproven— it is a foundational teaching of a dangerous religious cult that western medicine has become.

The more of these poisons you pump into your body, the closer you are to your doom. Not from any fake "Covid", but from your immune system crashing into dust. Those spiky little proteins get into your blood and destroy your cells and also wreck the protective layer inside your main arteries that helps create nitric oxide for your blood.

As I think you know- there was no pandemic- it was murder. Several hundred thousand (mainly elderly) were killed through the forced procedures of Remdesivir/Fentanyl/Ventilators done in the US/Brazil/Peru etc. and forced procedures of Midazolam/Morphine in the UK/France/Italy etc.

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This is the same scam used in the 80’s to sell toxic chemotherapy drug AZT under EUA based on PCR to kill millions across the globe. Fauci the whole time.

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There is some truth in your comment, but respectfully, I think you are also exaggerating and mixing some things.

Antibiotics have really changed the picture, and some vaccines have been really useful.

That being said, over medication is clearly becoming a problem. Especially in the US. And you are absolutely right that better sanitation and nutrition have played a very important role in the increase of life expectancy. Maybe even more than drugs and other medical procedures.

Regarding the initial killing of people. I agree with you. Wrong procedures caused many (most?) of the covid victims rather than by the virus itself. But there was a new virus, and some frail people would have died, even if things had been handled sensibly.

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All vaccines are barbaric and there is no evidence that they have done anything but harm people. Have you read "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne Humphries? That's a good place to start.

There is also zero evidence of a "new virus" excepting that all viruses are "new" meaning constantly replicating if you believe in virology which is quack science.

There's no 'maybe' about it- go back and read the historical documents from the mid 1800's to early 1900's from the UK, for example, and you will see that sanitation, refrigeration, labor laws, etc. deserve ALL the credit for improved health and longevity.

If you go back and read the detailed history you will also see that EVERY vaccine (poison) that came along and "cured" a disease ALWAYS came long AFTER that disease was virtually eradicated. Then of course the duplicitous medical cartel would claim credit via a mass propaganda campaign.

It's all lies my friend- they have been doing this for well over a century. They've just refined the techniques and broadened the scope and scale.

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This is one hell of an article and one hell of a study. The conclusions have been anecdotally known for some time now, but to see it quantified like this is infuriating and seems to be totally indicative of corruption within the government agencies charged with ensuring the safety of the public.

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People have literally forgotten that they were duped into this with the unequivocal promise that the shot would prevent illness and transmission. Rachel Maddow said this verbatim: "The virus stops with every vaccinated person… A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot use that person to go anywhere else.”

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When did we start trusting the talking heads on TV with our health? It’s high time we take responsibility for our health and stop listening and believing what the “authority” figures tell us. Shame on us for being so gullible.

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I never did but they’re so loud and omnipresent on social media that essentially silenced all doubters in public with ‘anti vax’ or ‘anti science’ stigma. The powers behind that are truly evil and scary, and in the truest sense anti science.

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They all did and we need to not let people forget. Biden said it too in his speech last summer.

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Remember when their favorite phrase was "bulletproof" after the Israeli's had the initial success during the first whacksination "valley"? They're so stupid they don't even understand the concept of UPOD - under promise and over deliver.

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Well, at least I didn’t get the 3rd shot :( … been a year since I had my second … wish I didn’t fall for the whole “it will stop transmission” bullshit

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Don't feel bad it was a high pressure sales tactic and they did promise it would bring us to freedom and stop the spread and our way out of this pandemic..... ask the same people now and they'll treat these quotes as if you're on acid inventing a new religion. These people are not righteous.

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Well said

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People who only got 2 deserve my admiration. Not easy to assume you have been fooled. Most people double down.

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Thanks for that, but please don't admire me. It is fairly easy for a retiree like me to avoid the booster and experience no social or fiscal consequences. I admire all refuseniks who gave up something to "just say no".

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Thank you Susan G. Proud refusenik. Last paycheck coming next week. I thank God for giving me natural immunity and clearly guiding me to rely on it. I only get through this by His grace.

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J and J and AZ both have caused way too many thrombotic events of all kinds, including clots in the lungs, ovarian veins, liver, brain, deep veins in the legs, heart, etc to EVER be considered “better” in any way, shape, or form. All of these formulations were not ready for prime-time release. These viral vectored vaccines were banned in many countries for younger age groups due to the high risk of thrombotic events. Never, ever, forget that.

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Hmmm… so the same people who touted the precautionary principle as a justification for draconian Covid restrictions completely ignored that principle when it came to mRNA vaccines?

“Using the precautionary principle requires that products be rigorously tested before reaching the market. This can be both time consuming and expensive, so one way companies work around this is to put out products with only minimal testing and then recall products that turn out to be unsafe. This approach is much like a criminal trial - the technology or product is innocent until proven guilty.

“The benefit of using this approach is that new technologies and products can reach the market faster and cost less to produce because of the limited testing. The problem with this approach is that the effects of the products are unknown until the product is proven 'guilty.' Products that are unsafe can have short-term and long-term effects on human and environmental health, and giving consumers access before these effects are known is a risky gamble.

“The precautionary principle is based on the opposite assumption - that products and technologies are guilty until proven innocent. The idea is that products need to be thoroughly tested to fully understand any harm they may do, and not allow these products to reach the market until that time.”

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-precautionary-principle-and-new-technologies-products.html

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I've lost count of how many people completely missed the actual point of the precautionary principle because they think it's "doing something if it might help" instead of "don't do anything until you know it won't hurt."

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Right. I’m not for the precautionary principle as a general guide to policy-making, but those who used it to justify lockdowns and school closures were misinterpreting or deliberately misrepresenting it. The precautionary principle warns against exactly the kind of novel and untested “treatments” lockdowners favored, because the long-term consequences were unknown and potentially catastrophic…

This reminds me of an excellent article from 2020:

“If lockdowns were a prescription drug for Covid-19 treatment, the FDA would never have approved it.”

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-medic-s-case-against-another-lockdown/amp

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