True. But I didn't mean the vaccine enthusiasts per say. I've already noticed increased vaccine skepticism in my circle of acquaintances. Not an outright rejection of vaccines but getting there
Kennedy tried that in 1964. Didn’t end well. Going to take more than just a few elites. Mass orchestrated effort, even if the Cabal determines everyone in this country is now a terrorist, we’ll have to take back the federal government as we know it now.
Actually from their perspective the vax is a success, it's doing exactly what it was design to do. It's a Premeditated mass murder: The Truth About Safety of mRNA Vaccines Found in The European Medicines Agency's Document Titled "Comirnaty (COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine) Risk Management Plan" Welcome to the Medical Inquisition https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-safety-of-mrna-vaccines
No. They are moderately effective at ... something (definitely not reducing the spread)... for a short period of time. If you take a 3 month period a few weeks after the second dose then they are very effective. In that period. Taking a short period of time and claiming something is effective in that period is a well known tactic that Pfizer and other pharma companies have used many times before (ie. see fradulent papers from Neurontin). That's not how you measure effectiveness. The effectiveness drops steadily eventually reaching 0 or negative after around 7 months as has been shown all over the world. And they have not been proven to be effective against omicron at all. In fact, they do not even possess the MECHANISM to be effective against omicron. Look at what the antibodies the vaccines create do and look at what omicron has.
"they were always known to be first generation vaccines that would eventually have to be updated or replaced."
This may be true. I am not a virologist or even a scientist. But, like so much else associated with these vaccines, they did their best to conceal (or fail to prominently announce) this. Likewise, they did their best to conceal the fact that there may be unintended consequences. Vaccinating the control group in the Pfizer trial was not because it would be 'inhumane' to expose that group to the virus; it was to eliminate the group that could expose the follow-on effects.
Candidly, these vaccine companies and the collective of public health officials have really done a great job at one thing: Destroying any reason why someone should afford them any benefit of the doubt. At this point, they've earned every bit of mistrust sent their way.
This is coming from someone who is vaccinated. I trusted them. They've betrayed that trust. If I had to do it all over -- knowing what I now know -- there is no way I would get vaccinated.
While I appreciate the measured response, I'm not sure you're illuminating too much.
Point 1: Pfizer and public health officials pitched this as a "one and done" vaccination. You claim that, in the fine print, they somehow disclaimed this. That's not much comfort. In the broad print -- the statements about "safe and effective" and "once you're vaccinated you won't need a mask," Fauci and many, many other public health officials misled the public. The "fine print" argument is belied by their public statements.
2. Much of the middle of your response is anecdotes based on family and friends. I disregard them. It's too easy to hide behind an anonymous screen name, claim some expertise and persona experience, but never have to prove it. I'll trust VAERS and related data (reinfection rates of those vaccinated, etc.) before anecdotes.
3. Re frontline workers: I'm not sure what you mean about "hoax," as you frame it. I own a company with about 5,000 employees. About 500 of them I would consider "frontline workers," though you may not. They are the folks who take your temperature daily before you are allowed to enter an environment, whether an office or a retail store. Do they think the virus is a hoax? No way to tell for sure, but I doubt it. Are they getting vaccinated? Nope. Not the majority, although a strong minority has. But for the coercion, I doubt a strong minority would. How many have had COVID? Hundreds at this point. How many have died or had serious complications? 0. We track this daily (if only because workers' comp is affected and we pay them if they get COVID until they recover, no questions asked).
On this last point, I understand anyone who is unwilling to ascribe credibility to it. I, too, have an anonymous screen name.
"they were always known to be first generation vaccines that would eventually have to be updated or replaced."
This may be true. I am not a virologist or even a scientist. But, like so much else associated with these vaccines, they did their best to conceal (or fail to prominently announce) this. Likewise, they did their best to conceal the fact that there may be unintended consequences. Vaccinating the control group in the Pfizer trial was not because it would be 'inhumane' to expose that group to the virus; it was to eliminate the group that could expose the follow-on effects.
Candidly, these vaccine companies and the collective of public health officials have really done a great job at one thing: Destroying any reason why someone should afford them any benefit of the doubt. At this point, they've earned every bit of mistrust sent their way.
This is coming from someone who is vaccinated. I trusted them. They've betrayed that trust. If I had to do it all over -- knowing what I now know -- there is no way I would get vaccinated.
Is that what the boosters do? Remind us how well the first two are working? Why do the vaccinated have as much viral load in the nose if they work how are the vaccinated getting sick? As relates to vaccines these are not.
BIL and nephew both isolated themselves for 10 days from other relatives over Christmas because they had a slight cough/runny nose. Hope they had a great time. Good excuse to not have to help with food prep and deal with those undesirable relatives....SMH.
Yup, exactly why they started floating the "Rho" variant a day or two ago -- the data makes it looks like catching Omicron is safer and more effective than the vaccines, say it with me, "that is dangerous to our democracy."
everyone standing in line to get tested for thing transmissible (yet not observably deadly, which should have been entire scope) only to have the testers reuse the gloves (up to 6 times per CDC) ...makes total sense. Terrible risk management fluffing the fiat "cases" data while not dying...
Hilarious to see people who haven't left their homes in months for fear of others all standing right alongside eachother in a massive crowd to get tests... Logic is clearly not their strong point.
and if you're not sick why are you getting tested? prior to mandates and jobs pressures it made ZERO sense, now the lines are driven by fiat policies which drives fiat "cases" data
pencil whipping the population into selling out their freedom
A few weeks ago I had a brief, though uncomfortable, runny nose and blocked "tubes". Someone said I should go get a PCR test. I told them "no" and now f off!
Well, that certainly shines a light on the incredible competence of the Authorities, combined with the single-minded focus of thousands of PhDs tracking this data.
"It's 75%, trust us...no wait, 22%!! No, no, wait!"
If you’ve been following the “science “ you would have noticed that covid “cured” the flu. Then delta came along and now omicron has wiped out covid . Can’t wait to see what the next variant cures!
It was all too obvious that the 73% figure was pulled straight out of somebody's butt when that came out. And as we know, that's pretty much par for the course with COVID since the beginning. The "experts" have only been experts at sensationalism.
I'm just a kitten and not some fancy scientist, but is it possible that "vaccine-resistant Omicron" is really just to cover the fact that the vaccines are completely failing?
I wouldn't expect 'covid hospitalizations' in the US to flatten out or be lower than last winter when Omicron takes over. The overall hospitalizations never rose as much as covid hospitalizations anywhere. We're still going to get a lot of people in the hospitals including women just there to give birth who test positive and have mild or no symptoms. They will still be counted and reported as covid hospitalizations unless hospitals stopped testing every patient.
In the UK (reported last week in their msm) 70% of "covid hospitalizations" were admitted for other-than-covid reasons - then, test, re-test, re-re-test using a method (designed to) which produces an enormous number of false positives and the result is "covid hospitalizations" which are "overwhelming the system" - it's all (pretty much) fake. The rest is "flu season" - which, bottom line, is pneumonia.
Hidden in the footnotes was that most of the posiitve results were on the day 5-7 tests. In other words, people who did not have Covid upon admission then caught it whilst in hospital being treated for their original issue !
Here in AL during the delta surge last summer, the CEO of Children's hospital flat-out said that most of the covid admissions in his hospital were there for other reasons and had only mild or no symptoms at all.
I can say anecdotally O seems very prevalent in Ireland; the press is saying 50% PCR positivity and I know loads of people have it with mild symptoms doing all sorts of crazy quarantines and close contact tracing etc. I tested antigen positive on Xmas day with extremely mild symptoms. Fine now.
Pretty sure I had it before, I've been going around with as few precautions as necessary for 18 months; it seems to me reinfection with this variant is possible.
We had the original in Jan 2020. My daughter (Uni student) caught it again at the start of Dec 2021 (confirmed by Lateral Flow test - probably Omicron) and had two days of a snotty cold and a week of a wheezy cough. That was it.
As a healthy, unvaxxed 30 year old athlete who's never had COVID (to his knowledge, though in March 2020 I had a few days of mild fever and cough, but never got tested and was back to normal in about a week), I'm starting to wonder about what I should do. Am I giving in to the hype, or should I start to be concerned about my safety?
Healthy 30 year old ? You are not at risk of dying from COVID. The 3 biggest risk factors are age, pre-existing medical conditions and BMI. Oh, and your address is a Care Home . . .
I'm a healthy mid 40s athlete and I never worried about it at all. Caught it a couple months ago, got over it in a couple days. It was a moderate cold. This variant is even less dangerous.
Since there is no "test" for Covid, how can there be one for omnicron? How is it different? With all the labs backed up, how are they getting any type of turnaround to make daily numbers? Since this is all a simulation of numbers anyway, why are we analyzing them at all?
Can someone help me make sense of this? Someone I know posts this data to show how it’s the unvaccinated who are getting Covid, and being hospitalized or dying from Covid (toward the bottom of the page).
Another part of the same site says that only 8.3% of NYC is unvaccinated. I can’t reconcile how that small of a population could be driving the numbers claimed in the chart. Is it because of how they define “vaccinated” (which I’m guessing is two weeks after second shot…or booster? But I can’t find info on how they are actually defining it for the purposes of the chart).
I think the NY State site may be more accurate. Or maybe it's the same as nyc.gov gets their info from here. I don't really trust the data, however. I'm unvaccinated and in upstate NY were it says 100% of my group is fully vaccinated, which is obviously not true. Check out NY State's data here: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/positive-tests-over-time-region-and-county
I wonder how long till they begin to realize their vaccine is failing in general and its not just about omicron.
They realized that quite a while ago. What's the point? Are you suggesting that this might cause them to stop pushing vaxes?
Their response: Bwaaahahaha. No, no, no. Vaccines good; Omicron bad; more vaccine = more good. EZ
True. But I didn't mean the vaccine enthusiasts per say. I've already noticed increased vaccine skepticism in my circle of acquaintances. Not an outright rejection of vaccines but getting there
from another point of view they're working very well
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Kennedy tried that in 1964. Didn’t end well. Going to take more than just a few elites. Mass orchestrated effort, even if the Cabal determines everyone in this country is now a terrorist, we’ll have to take back the federal government as we know it now.
Actually from their perspective the vax is a success, it's doing exactly what it was design to do. It's a Premeditated mass murder: The Truth About Safety of mRNA Vaccines Found in The European Medicines Agency's Document Titled "Comirnaty (COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine) Risk Management Plan" Welcome to the Medical Inquisition https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-safety-of-mrna-vaccines
No. They are moderately effective at ... something (definitely not reducing the spread)... for a short period of time. If you take a 3 month period a few weeks after the second dose then they are very effective. In that period. Taking a short period of time and claiming something is effective in that period is a well known tactic that Pfizer and other pharma companies have used many times before (ie. see fradulent papers from Neurontin). That's not how you measure effectiveness. The effectiveness drops steadily eventually reaching 0 or negative after around 7 months as has been shown all over the world. And they have not been proven to be effective against omicron at all. In fact, they do not even possess the MECHANISM to be effective against omicron. Look at what the antibodies the vaccines create do and look at what omicron has.
"they were always known to be first generation vaccines that would eventually have to be updated or replaced."
This may be true. I am not a virologist or even a scientist. But, like so much else associated with these vaccines, they did their best to conceal (or fail to prominently announce) this. Likewise, they did their best to conceal the fact that there may be unintended consequences. Vaccinating the control group in the Pfizer trial was not because it would be 'inhumane' to expose that group to the virus; it was to eliminate the group that could expose the follow-on effects.
Candidly, these vaccine companies and the collective of public health officials have really done a great job at one thing: Destroying any reason why someone should afford them any benefit of the doubt. At this point, they've earned every bit of mistrust sent their way.
This is coming from someone who is vaccinated. I trusted them. They've betrayed that trust. If I had to do it all over -- knowing what I now know -- there is no way I would get vaccinated.
While I appreciate the measured response, I'm not sure you're illuminating too much.
Point 1: Pfizer and public health officials pitched this as a "one and done" vaccination. You claim that, in the fine print, they somehow disclaimed this. That's not much comfort. In the broad print -- the statements about "safe and effective" and "once you're vaccinated you won't need a mask," Fauci and many, many other public health officials misled the public. The "fine print" argument is belied by their public statements.
2. Much of the middle of your response is anecdotes based on family and friends. I disregard them. It's too easy to hide behind an anonymous screen name, claim some expertise and persona experience, but never have to prove it. I'll trust VAERS and related data (reinfection rates of those vaccinated, etc.) before anecdotes.
3. Re frontline workers: I'm not sure what you mean about "hoax," as you frame it. I own a company with about 5,000 employees. About 500 of them I would consider "frontline workers," though you may not. They are the folks who take your temperature daily before you are allowed to enter an environment, whether an office or a retail store. Do they think the virus is a hoax? No way to tell for sure, but I doubt it. Are they getting vaccinated? Nope. Not the majority, although a strong minority has. But for the coercion, I doubt a strong minority would. How many have had COVID? Hundreds at this point. How many have died or had serious complications? 0. We track this daily (if only because workers' comp is affected and we pay them if they get COVID until they recover, no questions asked).
On this last point, I understand anyone who is unwilling to ascribe credibility to it. I, too, have an anonymous screen name.
"they were always known to be first generation vaccines that would eventually have to be updated or replaced."
This may be true. I am not a virologist or even a scientist. But, like so much else associated with these vaccines, they did their best to conceal (or fail to prominently announce) this. Likewise, they did their best to conceal the fact that there may be unintended consequences. Vaccinating the control group in the Pfizer trial was not because it would be 'inhumane' to expose that group to the virus; it was to eliminate the group that could expose the follow-on effects.
Candidly, these vaccine companies and the collective of public health officials have really done a great job at one thing: Destroying any reason why someone should afford them any benefit of the doubt. At this point, they've earned every bit of mistrust sent their way.
This is coming from someone who is vaccinated. I trusted them. They've betrayed that trust. If I had to do it all over -- knowing what I now know -- there is no way I would get vaccinated.
They work so well nobody can tell
Is that what the boosters do? Remind us how well the first two are working? Why do the vaccinated have as much viral load in the nose if they work how are the vaccinated getting sick? As relates to vaccines these are not.
The Truth About Safety of mRNA Vaccines Found in The European Medicines Agency's Document Titled "Comirnaty (COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine) Risk Management Plan" https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-safety-of-mrna-vaccines
BIL and nephew both isolated themselves for 10 days from other relatives over Christmas because they had a slight cough/runny nose. Hope they had a great time. Good excuse to not have to help with food prep and deal with those undesirable relatives....SMH.
That's a trick I should have thought of. Plus more naps,as I'm so weak...
I kinda disagree here.
I think, more specifically, that Omicron is up in the NE and down in the Midwest and SE.
Granted I see Omicron a little differently than "the experts"- I see it as a highly transmissible mental disorder not a viral pathogen.
LOL they realized that if 73% of cases are omi but the hospitals aren't filling up it's not very scary.
Yup, exactly why they started floating the "Rho" variant a day or two ago -- the data makes it looks like catching Omicron is safer and more effective than the vaccines, say it with me, "that is dangerous to our democracy."
> say it with me, "that is dangerous to Pfizer's bottom line, and to Anthony Fauci's bank account."
FTFY.
as goes pfizer, so goes america (to paraphrase an old saying)
everyone standing in line to get tested for thing transmissible (yet not observably deadly, which should have been entire scope) only to have the testers reuse the gloves (up to 6 times per CDC) ...makes total sense. Terrible risk management fluffing the fiat "cases" data while not dying...
Hilarious to see people who haven't left their homes in months for fear of others all standing right alongside eachother in a massive crowd to get tests... Logic is clearly not their strong point.
and if you're not sick why are you getting tested? prior to mandates and jobs pressures it made ZERO sense, now the lines are driven by fiat policies which drives fiat "cases" data
pencil whipping the population into selling out their freedom
A few weeks ago I had a brief, though uncomfortable, runny nose and blocked "tubes". Someone said I should go get a PCR test. I told them "no" and now f off!
emergen-c or Ollie or other brand vitamin drinks, pound them daily (twice day)
not advice but from my own experience (Rush put me onto them over a decade ago, but zicam) Good work not feeding the fiat scam
Pencil whip. Clearly a former soldier. Thank you for your service!
More testing, that's the ticket!!!
yuck... filthy 6x rubber gloves ok with CDC... !
Still seems like the idiots are scared.
Well, that certainly shines a light on the incredible competence of the Authorities, combined with the single-minded focus of thousands of PhDs tracking this data.
"It's 75%, trust us...no wait, 22%!! No, no, wait!"
If you’ve been following the “science “ you would have noticed that covid “cured” the flu. Then delta came along and now omicron has wiped out covid . Can’t wait to see what the next variant cures!
It's a miracle. (rolls eyes).
Authorities are gonna authoritarian....
It was all too obvious that the 73% figure was pulled straight out of somebody's butt when that came out. And as we know, that's pretty much par for the course with COVID since the beginning. The "experts" have only been experts at sensationalism.
I'm just a kitten and not some fancy scientist, but is it possible that "vaccine-resistant Omicron" is really just to cover the fact that the vaccines are completely failing?
or to pimp the boosters/ new Omi-vax they've selflessly been working on?
Those have been my thoughts all along as well
Wish I had a job where I could revise down that much and still keep my job
Keep your job? Get a raise!
None of this Covid BS kept me home. It was the f'ing Nazi's in health dept. uniforms.
I wouldn't expect 'covid hospitalizations' in the US to flatten out or be lower than last winter when Omicron takes over. The overall hospitalizations never rose as much as covid hospitalizations anywhere. We're still going to get a lot of people in the hospitals including women just there to give birth who test positive and have mild or no symptoms. They will still be counted and reported as covid hospitalizations unless hospitals stopped testing every patient.
In the UK (reported last week in their msm) 70% of "covid hospitalizations" were admitted for other-than-covid reasons - then, test, re-test, re-re-test using a method (designed to) which produces an enormous number of false positives and the result is "covid hospitalizations" which are "overwhelming the system" - it's all (pretty much) fake. The rest is "flu season" - which, bottom line, is pneumonia.
Hidden in the footnotes was that most of the posiitve results were on the day 5-7 tests. In other words, people who did not have Covid upon admission then caught it whilst in hospital being treated for their original issue !
Here in AL during the delta surge last summer, the CEO of Children's hospital flat-out said that most of the covid admissions in his hospital were there for other reasons and had only mild or no symptoms at all.
Why is my bs meter pegging again? What's the game? Now we're back to dying? Pandemic of the unvax?
I can say anecdotally O seems very prevalent in Ireland; the press is saying 50% PCR positivity and I know loads of people have it with mild symptoms doing all sorts of crazy quarantines and close contact tracing etc. I tested antigen positive on Xmas day with extremely mild symptoms. Fine now.
Which reminds me... the PCR test is supposed to lose it's EUA on Friday, right? Then what?
Switch to Gates' antigen test.
welcome to the actually immune club!
Pretty sure I had it before, I've been going around with as few precautions as necessary for 18 months; it seems to me reinfection with this variant is possible.
Maybe... I had the A version, so I guess I can or have had Omicron.
We had the original in Jan 2020. My daughter (Uni student) caught it again at the start of Dec 2021 (confirmed by Lateral Flow test - probably Omicron) and had two days of a snotty cold and a week of a wheezy cough. That was it.
Are the double jabbed being removed from the stats? https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/are-the-double-jabbed-removed-from
As a healthy, unvaxxed 30 year old athlete who's never had COVID (to his knowledge, though in March 2020 I had a few days of mild fever and cough, but never got tested and was back to normal in about a week), I'm starting to wonder about what I should do. Am I giving in to the hype, or should I start to be concerned about my safety?
Healthy 30 year old ? You are not at risk of dying from COVID. The 3 biggest risk factors are age, pre-existing medical conditions and BMI. Oh, and your address is a Care Home . . .
Train hard. Win the day. Watch some Jocko for motivation. Live.
I'm a healthy mid 40s athlete and I never worried about it at all. Caught it a couple months ago, got over it in a couple days. It was a moderate cold. This variant is even less dangerous.
Since there is no "test" for Covid, how can there be one for omnicron? How is it different? With all the labs backed up, how are they getting any type of turnaround to make daily numbers? Since this is all a simulation of numbers anyway, why are we analyzing them at all?
Can someone help me make sense of this? Someone I know posts this data to show how it’s the unvaccinated who are getting Covid, and being hospitalized or dying from Covid (toward the bottom of the page).
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#daily
Another part of the same site says that only 8.3% of NYC is unvaccinated. I can’t reconcile how that small of a population could be driving the numbers claimed in the chart. Is it because of how they define “vaccinated” (which I’m guessing is two weeks after second shot…or booster? But I can’t find info on how they are actually defining it for the purposes of the chart).
I think the NY State site may be more accurate. Or maybe it's the same as nyc.gov gets their info from here. I don't really trust the data, however. I'm unvaccinated and in upstate NY were it says 100% of my group is fully vaccinated, which is obviously not true. Check out NY State's data here: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/positive-tests-over-time-region-and-county