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She doesn't even apologize! I'm willing to forgive some people who were awful. I really am. But they have to own what they've done and reckon with it. They can't just "declare amnesty" and be done with it! The level of arrogant entitlement on display here just makes it all worse.

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also:

https://twitter.com/ProfEmilyOster/status/1473612831094411268?s=20&t=i3IOcFM2fzWjW1gyipCHhA

i added this to the piece as an addendum.

emily was all for "taking away rights (like travel, work, leisure) to drive actions" so long as we did not "shame" people.

but to predicate the basic liberties of others upon a jab you clearly do not understand is itself a shameful act and so is championing doing so.

perhaps one can see why she so wants amnesty.

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“You may choose to look the other way but you can never again say you did not know.” The truth was known before the shutdowns were ordered. They turned away.

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she is the worst!

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"Amnesty" before millions more die!

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That's why the jab is being added to children's vaccination schedule by the Feds - it makes it harder to sue, harder to fight back. States declare what vaccinations are required - see Children's Health Defense's web site. They co-wrote the book on Fauci with RFK Jr. IF you are in California - seek perk-group.com. Same fight.

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Its been added to the SUGGESTED schedule by he CDC. Although funded by the federal government the CDC is an ADVISORY organization and has no power to enforce its recommendations. Government entities who do have to power to dictate enforceable rules can either adopt those recommendations or not. It is the perogative of the individual states to either accept or decline the CDC's recommendations as to whether the childrens vax recommendations are incorporated into the states requirements for children to attend public schools.

Of course we all know that top leadership positions in the CDC are a revolving door for Big Pharma executives, so mox nix and not to worry, hint, hint, on every decision that could possibly favor big pharm in any way whatsoever and to hell with the well being of the citizens they supposedly serve. In fact their secret motto is lets vote yea for any recommendation that can make the people sicker... because more long term customers don't you know. The biggest scam in the history of humanity.

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And we also know that many (way too many) states will simply default to the cdc recommendations on vaccination for school age children-deferring to the cdc supposed “expertise.”

And so, DC says—up to the States. And in turn, the States say, we are deferring to the feds. Ahhh-how convenient, neither fully own the decision that will directly impact our kids. One trusts the research of the other. And the other let’s the I’ll informed one be the decision maker.

Of course, my state has a cdc director that is on the ACIP so I guess I know what to expect here.

For the most part, it’s as good as a fine deal.

Oh…and does everyone remember the Project Veritas tape that showed the big pharma exec saying at the outset that the goal was to get it on the children’s schedule.

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And even more than states simply "deferring" to CDC guidelines/recommendations, state legislatures have codified using CDC guidelines for their immunization requirements.

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IMO a bigger problem is the many pediatricians who will fire your child as a patient if you don't agree to follow the CDC schedule.

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That is unforgivable. Just as unforgivable as internists who fire adult patients who do not quit smoking. Sure, smoking is unhealthy, but it’s not our job to tell others how to live their lives. Our job is to educate and let our patients make their own decisions. Same applies to educating parents. Only in this case, those pediatricians are guilty of spreading misinformation.

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She like many “experts” were blinded by their status & selection as “experts to trust” by pols/unelected PH/3 lettter agencies & hall monitors run amok. This was her moment in the sun & she wasn’t going to waste it by going against the one sided narrative. I have nothing but disdain for people like her. Given her position as a data driven economist means she has no excuse for her behavior. Check out her ratio on Twitter. It is both delicious & deserved.

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I know we shouldn't place too much stock in things like "ratios" but they do give me a little hope that not all is lost.

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I’m thinking of temporarily re-joining Twitter just so I can tell Emily to fuck off.

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Oct 31, 2022·edited Oct 31, 2022Author

yeah, it reads like a blame shifting where failing to stand by her own data gets swept under the rug.

it's such an odd fixation on "we were in the dark" when clearly she was not but now pretends to have been.

her piece reads like the opposite of an apology.

worth noting:

she's getting massively ratioed on the bluebird.

https://twitter.com/ProfEmilyOster/status/1587032027307679744?s=20&t=i3IOcFM2fzWjW1gyipCHhA

over 8000 comments and 2200 QT's, almost none laudatory.

to her credit, she has not yet locked her account or turned off comments.

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This line of thinking REALLY pisses me off. We wouldn't have been 'in the dark' if the 'experts' hadn't stuffed us into sacks and thrown us out of society. This entire time, we've been following the data and the reality on the ground -- and every time we presented the data we were hammered back underground.

"Nobody could have known" is bullshit. People DID know. And the 'experts' got them thrown off social media to cover their own gain-of-function-funding asses.

Edit: Have to add this because it's another version of "Just because you were correct doesn't mean you were right"

https://imgur.com/a/oSHcIT2

"In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck."

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Except that it WASN'T luck. "Getting it right" (realizing that the "vaccines" and lockdowns were scambolic overreactions driven by ulterior motives) was easy for anyone who took 5 minutes to apply common sense to the situation. It required average powers of observation plus a dose of healthy distrust of the media. Not luck. Just because she didn't reason the whole thing through, she thinks we didn't either, and just got lucky. Sorry but nope, take that one back to the copy-editor.

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Yep. The official covid data sites have ALWAYS countered the official covid narrative. It's just that only a few of us actually bothered to look it up.

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What really chaps my ass is the suppression and disdain for Ivermectin and HQ. They worked. Not always, but using those would have saved countless lives. Not only that, but they pressured the docs to sell the vaccines and denigrate the effective drugs. They had to know those drugs worked but censored and cancelled anyone who recommended them, so they could go all in with Pfizer etal. Monstrous disinformation, while they accused others of disseminating misinformation, disinformation and lies.

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You nailed it. If government admitted they worked, *poof* goes the justification for the Emergency Use Authorization for the jabs.......

It's been political cronyism the entire time.

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Yup, the HCQ ban was the fist big WHOA for me. I took Plaquinel and Cipro 26 years ago for late stage Lyme....the ID Doc who treated me explained the mechanism by which the HCQ helped to penetrate the cell barrier to make the antibiotics more effective. I took it in the same dose that was recommended for COVID before the CDC declared it verboten. Lupus and RA patients have taken it daily for years in higher doses. I sound like a broken record. How many people died unnecessarily?? Oh sure, I forgive you Fauci et al.....AYFKM??? How about you lying maniacs apologize to us for portraying us as whack a doodle conspiracy nuts?? And the families who are still grieving, etc etc etc. And the doctors that were discredited... oh and today, I read that Dr. Peter McCullough will be stripped of his license?? This is madness...... so you all intentionally lied to the World but rather than admit it, you’re doubling down and targeting the doctors brave enough to disagree. As my WWII Dad would say “ this is beyond FUBAR.” SHAME on all of you. I hope the next bombshell is to learn whose diabolical plan this was... who in the government approached the CDC ... I cannot believe I’m even writing this!!!

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It's still up on YT - look for an older video of Jimmy Carter promoting the use of Ivermectin in 11 poor countries. Over 160 million doses and he's hailed as a hero. Then, it's horse paste. Now it's "OK" again. Dems. don't see their own party lying to them for their detriment, either.

IF you can't find the video, here is the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8PxzZnxlBw

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It didn't take five minutes.

At some point they started talked about "mRNA vaxx." I went to a search engine. Put in "mRNA vaxx." One of the top responses was a page from the FDA. Clicked on it. The page (which has been memory holed, but has been saved by some, since it was part of a FDA slide presentation) showed every POTENTIAL side effect. Which were numerous and turned out to be the actual side effects.

Three steps:

1. put in search term

2. click on FDA page

3. read list on FDA page

Those side effects alone should have had an impact on people. But they didn't, because they chose to be terrified and compliant, rather than look at the real stats.

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What is even worse is people STILL saying idiotic things like, "there is no downside to the vaccines," which I just read on another substack. #CannotFixStupid

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the infamous, almost eliminated, slide sixteen

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This is exactly where I thought this article was going. Pointing out the we did know, a lot. And all you did was scream? Sorry, no, you don’t get to wipe the slate clean.

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Amen

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Wait wait wait...."rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines, we need to put our energy in bringing (routine vaccination rates) back up"!!! Public health agencies and BigPharma KNEW the data was never in favor of vaccinating young adults (or children). Then they created the messaging to avoid what they knew! This is the very definition of diabolical! A student at Brown University was forced to get his vaccines in March of 202 to keep his hospital job. He was then hospitalized with myocarditis. Brown never informed the community (but you can be damn sure they inform the community when someone has a bike accident), and still they force vaccines and boosters! SO this is the messaging (or lack thereof) that she asks us not to debate? This piece got me SO angry today for so many reasons; she deserves the pummeling.

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"we were in the dark" really hurts when we had platformed people like her, screaming "facts" and "the science" from their pedestal.

@el gato - I love that you brought out the concept of the cantillion effect - I swear something similar to that can happen with science when there is censorship and peer pressure like we had, where the people dispensing facts, have the head start because despite some of their assertions seeming shady to some of us skeptical/conspiracy minded, it takes time to invalidate their claims. So the moneyed/connected with the backing of the government gunpoint, get to dictate and benefit and goal post shift, until months, years later when actual science catches up, if ever (due to pressure etc)

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Her sentence "We were in the dark" is so despicable..not we! But you-were in the dark and still are if you think we will forget or forgive.

Just a lil story,my friends from germany came here last christmas as they do for the last 5 years,every year we have christmas lunch at my friends house..i was waiting for a phone call..nothing?

Christmas passed,i heard with my friend,she told me,i have to tell you something,i didnt call you for the lunch cause they told me if i dont want to be tested for a lunch its better to not come..amazing.

Then she told them,i will not even try to call him cause he will tell me to fuck off.

And the most crazy thing was i was getting tested twice a week cause i couldnt enter my fucking work gates. So,never forgive,never forget from me.

Thank you for everything El gato. (my cat also sends purrs)

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She was NOT in the dark. She was waist deep in her Virtue Signalling Orgy of self-righteousness. A Mid Western Doctor does a great take down of her. So ready to absolve herself of any of the consequences of her shaming, blaming coercive preaching. NO APOLOGY. JUST RE-WRITING HISTORY. SELF-ABSOLUTION. THE POSTMODERN ACADEMIC RADICAL PROGRESSIVE... HIDING IN THE DARKNESS... BLINDED BY THE LIGHT...!!!

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Bless our new 'Twit Master'

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Don't be so sure. Musk has his own agenda. Read up.

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she's probs having a frickin Cardiac Arrest!

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Exactly this. My charitable nature extends to forgiving people when they admit they were wrong and offer a genuine, heartfelt apology. It does NOT extend to forgiving people for violating basic human rights (in many cases, goose-stomping or riding rough-shod over human rights) because they were either crapping their pants or they perceived an opportunity for a power or money grab and who then casually suggest that we should all just forgive and forget and move on. NOT going to happen!

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I’ll repeat what I wrote in another Substack: I pray every night to learn to forgive those who have trespassed against me. It’s going to be a long, hard journey.

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I don't think it's about forgiveness at this point. It is next to impossible to seek forgiveness in a vacuum created by a complete lack of justice or even an admission of error or guilt. Those are necessary prerequisites on the road to forgiveness and understanding.

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Yep, even in AA you have to ask forgiveness from those you hurt. One of the things necessary to tender is a heartfelt apology.

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Al-Anon (where i spent 7 years) suggests amends where appropriate.

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More than trespass. They want us dead, frankly. I've forgiven others in the past, even when contrition wasn't shown, but this is a whole different kettle of fish.

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This is EVIL, not trespass.

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Yes, sadly, it is. This is worse than the Holocaust and plenty of those survivors are speaking up. The youngest of them in their 90s now.

Plan was to ducate kids over the last 50 years with more and more radical ideology, separate them from their parents, radicalize them into thinking lies are truths, and here we are. The oldest of us and "Boomers" once dead, no one will be alive to remember the United States as a good and powerful nation.

We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg of the coming damage and deaths.

Add to this the lifelong side effects that people have from differing strengths of the "boosters" which don't affect everyone the same way with the same adverse reaction(s). People not allowed to say good-bye to their dying elders. Kids terrified. Kids kept "stupid" by being banned from in-person learning. And all for what? Globalist control over their lies about "climate" for one. It's ALL on the WEF web pages (and elsewhere) to install socialism/communism and their total control.

Take it from a Californian - Democrats are ALWAYS the cause of the problems. RINOs not much better, going along to get along. Time to oust them all.

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I have forgiven the dozens of friends who said nasty things on facebook and to my face about the unvaccinated when they didn't know they were talking about me. I have forgiven the friend who told me she feels glad when she hears about the unvaccinated dying because they got what they deserved. I have forgiven my husband's family for holding two different Christmas celebrations without telling us. Forgetting is a different story, but I forgive. These people were scared and brainwashed by the barrage of messaging. I don't forgive the people who knowingly lied and censored and coerced and hid data. NO AMNESTY FOR THEM. Those people should be held accountable. All of them.

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They'll do it all over again to you.

They must seek your forgiveness.

What was done to people was vile. Quite dangerous actually.

They need to see the bigger picture.

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I'm still having a hard time forgiving the family and friends that treated me like I was a conspiracy theorist nut job for not getting vaccinated or vaccinating my daughters. Some still think I am. My in-laws continue to take the jabs and troll my FB page....and smile to my face. My vaccinated FIL just came down with COVID. Not sure which is worse, knowing they think that little of me that they are quick to judge and berate or the fact that they ignore the fact that much of what I said is turning out to be right. I feel invisible and patronized in the worst way. And well, the friends.....they just go about their lives ignoring the carnage (until it hits closer to home for them, if it does)....because their fear made them disown me and now their fear likely has them afraid to admit that my concerns were warranted. And none of them do any research beyond what the msm tells them.

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...and then some have to admit, like me, that some learning just ain't gonna happen! Not in this case.

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Amen

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AMENDS, not just apology.

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Forgiveness is the final stage a process which begins with self reflection and moves through stages of reevaluation, contrition, and the extension of a sincere apology. Sort of like the stages of grieving.

Her claptrap offers none of the elements of redemption, only a path towards the memory hole.

And I spit out my coffee when I saw her bio: "Unapologetically Data-Driven"

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Reading this article, I could not help but comment on her article and send her messages on twitter. What really was amazing to me was the condescending tack she took at explaining how she and the health authorities had to explain to people not to inject themselves with bleach. Maybe there were a few stupid people who were doing this, but this is precisely the straw man, misinformation they asserted was true to rationalize their argument for censorship.

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Oct 31, 2022·edited Nov 1, 2022

Correction: it was aquarium cleaner that she poisoned her husband with, not bleach. Props to NAB for pointing out my error. Your point still stands however.

I seem to recall the one case of that actually happening -- and the Left making much hay out of it -- but where it turned out that the woman who injected her husband was a Democrat who hated her husband and wanted a divorce. She thought she could get away with it and blame Trump at the same time.

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I remember thinking how ridiculous these people were being. Not only those who supposedly were taking the advice of someone with no medical expertise (Trump), but also those flipping out due to what is now known as Trump Derangement Syndrome who were being spoon fed media reports that Trump as the sole cause of any aberrant thinking.

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What’s crazy about that whole episode is that Trump didn’t at any point say people should be injecting bleach, he was outlining possible treatments for covid that he’d been briefed on. He mentioned a treatment involving “light” and a treatment involving bleach, it was all very vague; he relayed this information in a simplified unscientific way that you would expect him to, yet when it came to news coverage of this moment the media uniformly misquoted him as suggesting that household bleach could be injected as a treatment. It was one of the most gruesome distortions of reality I’ve witnessed. The media essentially created the “inject bleach” lie and attributed it to Trump. Another eye-opening moment in a series of such moments!

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Yes, it's right up there with the January 6th stuff. Many people still think that Trump encouraged an insurrection. I heard the speech on the day in question, nowhere did Trump encourage a coupe. He said "peacefully and patriotically" protest,and yet the media still maintains he fomented an insurrection. At this point it is expected, as they see "disagreement" as hate and speech as violence.

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It really is a cult.

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Yes. I was listening to Jordan Harbinger podcasts and one of the starter packs was on Cults, Scams, and Cons. What I found interesting was they would explain in great detail how cults work, how they "brainwash" and "coerce" and yet would talk about those of us who were against the narrative as being the cult, all the while completely ignoring the very same techniques used against them during the pandemic.

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I think this story was about the woman using aquarium cleaner as a substitute for HCQ (as you note she did actually want to kill her husband). I don't remember any stories about people ever injecting bleach into themselves and, as with the "very fine people" hoax, Trump didn't actually promote this practice anyway. I hate the media.

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Thank you for the correction. I had this nagging feeling that I wasn't recalling this tale quite correctly. And no, I've never heard of anyone actually injecting bleach either.

They way the Left and the media propagated that myth was certainly one for the history books. Utterly shameless, as are the mindless idiots who actually believed the lie -- and likely still do.

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I'm glad you did Jimmy!

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I imagine part of the fun of "living their truth" is it can turn on a dime.

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And much of the ‘data’ isn’t data at all, they are numbers coming out of the arse-end of a computer model and labelled ‘The Science’. And if any real data does not support the claims it is ignored - must be wrong.

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Indeed. The very same arse-end that's been insisting how the earth is going to melt down and become uninhabitable. Any. Day. Now.

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Pretty soon, when the next glaciation begins (it already has) they will want "amnesty" for that too.

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Or "reparations".

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And manipulate the data to give the Hockey Stick Illusion.

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She wants a hard pass.

As in "you noticed we genocided a lot of people, maimed a lot more, bankrupted even more and generally ruined your lives for a few years. We don't want to take responsibility or even admit what we did, so let's just call it good, OK? OK??????"

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I used that phrase from her bio in my comment on this twitter thread. I used it unapologetically.

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If “lack of self awareness” was an Olympic event, she would be the team captain.

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Apparently, some data are more equal than others.

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Particularly the fake data.

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I read Dr. John Ioannidis's cautionary article just a few days after it was published on Mar 17, 2020:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

We were in the dark only because pols and public health bureaucrats chose to act before gathering even the most basic data about Covid--e.g., how many of those infected are likely to die? Shortly after reading it, I began tracking Santa Clara County reported 'cases' in an Excel spreadsheet (the data was not yet reported in useful format at the time). Not long after, Gov. Newsom declared that CA would see 25.5 million cases by Jun 2020. For this to happen, cases would have to double every few days for three months--clearly an absurd projection.

I have no epidemiological training, but I know basic statistics. I also knew that launching a course of action without having basic data is idiotic--or evil. I didn't know which at the time, but now I do. Sorry, you lunatic. You are NOT forgiven.

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I printed 2 copies out March 17, 2020 for my young kids. I never imagined the utter totalitarian atrocity extending 2+ years at the time, but it was the start of my collection of articles, printed so they can’t be changed, showing the data and actual scientists v the hysteria. I plotted the “model” in NC which, on March 30, predicted 36,000 to 41,000 people in NC would be hospitalized (even with the shutdown) by April 17, 2020. On April 17 there were about 800 people in the state of NC in the hospital.

I was called a grandma killer, a racist, a murderer, people threatened to call CPS on my husband and I trying to get our thriving kids removed as punishment for “wrong think.” I was doxxed and received death threats (that neither the local PD not NC would investigate). We were barred from society on numerous occasions.

My son is unilaterally deaf and suffered debilitating migraines that resulted in him screaming in pain and vomiting 3-4 days a week during the mandates (even though he didn’t have to wear a mask). He turned 6 a week before the shutdowns. We’ve buried 6 healthy fathers now since August 2021, 4 of whom were college athletes (2 track, 2 soccer), and all were healthy.

You are correct. We knew the whole time and people like this B made every attempt to destroy us and our children.

I do NOT forgive her and I will NEVER forget.

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That is heartbreaking and also completely infuriating !!

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We were connected on twitter before somebody hacked my account and I had to sign up again - I’m near Charlotte and tried to help the parents going through this but wish I could have done more.

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I’ve never been on Twitter, but thank you for trying to help parents. I’m in the triad.

Fortunately my kids are both doing well now, but the trauma for my son remains. Their school has seen no learning drops because they stayed open in person and did the minimum they could with masks. We just got our son’s MAP testing grades. He’s young for his grade (he’s now in 3rd grade). He dropped from 99% to 98% (217) in math and improved from 92% to 95% in reading (214). While his math should be a bit higher, he thinks the test is boring, so we’ll take it. Reading that’s actually a bit better than we expected.

The sad thing is I have friends who supported this crap now telling me how “unfair” it is that the kids at my kids school didn’t have learning loss while their kids did. 🙄. I voted for school choice for all families (and basically all my friends can afford school choice anyway), open schools, unmasked children, and using actual data. They voted against it. They got on Facebook and demanded the harm. It might be “unfair,” but it’s a result of their choices, not mine. They generally shut up when I say “you really think what happened was fair to (my son)? You really think he didn’t pay high enough a price for society’s stupidity?”

I’m still infuriated with UNC medicine. They knew exactly what they were doing to kids, especially those with disabilities. They see thousands a day. UNC children’s hospital didn’t give a crap.

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I share your outrage, NCmom!! We must NOT let anyone forget or off the hook for the abuse of power. My kids are 18 & 20, in the TARGET for continued jabs IF they attend college. IT's taken me almost 2 full years to convince my now 20 y.o. to NOT get the damn jabs ("all my friends took it and are fine"). It's been hell for me and I'm emotionally spent. I still send them 1-2 articles per week (cc my husband just to make sure we're both on the same page when talking with them). This war is NOT over for us parents who are trying to keep our kids (of any age) safe from this medical tyranny. Fortunately, after many debates, arguments and calm conversations, I got her to request a non-medical exemption (in OR they don't call them religious exemption). I remain forever VIGILANT and continue to try to educate anyone who will listen. Oregon was the absolute worst with school closures. I also switched parties and will be voting RED all the way next week. HANG IN THERE and let's keep on holding all these creeps accountable.

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Having children that age would have been so hard. 🙏💓. I wonder how long it will take them to realize what was done to them too? And right when you start life with personal autonomy (not yet old enough to realize it’s being taken). I’m glad you convinced him.

While there are exceptions, the university system has been proven a fraud. No science at any of them. No concern for the students. (And I have a masters. It’s a joke).

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These teen and young adult kids were a challenge! I have 4 of them. I sent them information constantly and spoke openly about my concerns. Thankfully, they all listened to me about the jabs, even when pressured by family members! One graduated May '22, two are in college now (not mandated) and one is in private high school. 2021 was one of the most stressful years of my life and I know it's not over.

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My kids are 16 and 20. They trust me for now but I wish I could convince them to read some studies for themselves. Moved to a different state so they both could go back to school. The older one (with 3 prior adverse events to the regular V's) gave up a partial scholarship to get out of NY with health intact. Keep up the good fight.

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Ah, yes. "I harmed myself and my kids, so you ought to harm yourself and your kids." Those of us who resisted in ways large and small have been treated like draft dodgers. Never mind that the "war" was unwinnable from the start, and that the damage has been huge. But hey, they wound up wounded, so everyone should be wounded.

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Exactly. It’s the most self-centered insane line of thought. They act as if the world would be better off if only more kids were more harmed!! 🤯. In reality it might be dawning on them “everyone else was doing it” will NEVER be a justifiable excuse to their harmed children in 15-20 years when they become adults and have questions because NOT everyone was doing it, it wouldn’t make it any better if everyone had gone along with it, and these “parents” attacked those of us that didn’t do it constantly. I feel terrible for their kids, but no way no how am I letting them reincarnate some ridiculous “undeserved privileged” 💩 towards my kids or any other child whose family actually put them first. Having parents put their children first is not an “unearned privilege.” It’s a basic minimum expectation every child deserves that way too many parents failed miserably at meeting.

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Nov 1, 2022·edited Nov 1, 2022

Neither will I! Blessings to you out there in NC....from an angry mother in Switzerland. I will not forgive, and neither will I forget. Sorry about the harm to your children..for me this was, and still is, abuse, and evil to the core.

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That's a great article, and one of the first things I read in 2020! It deeply affected my assessment of the craziness we were seeing at that time. I sent it to a lot of people/family, who all pretty much dismissed it, I'm sad to say.

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She didn't apologize because she's not sorry. She chose the wrong side and now is worried about the consequences.

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Totally agree.

Concise and RIGHT!

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I don't even know if she is worried about the consequences. It sounds like she rationalizes a lot of it away.

Here were her rationalizations that I did not for a moment believe: "She was in the dark, she just didn't know, there were people on all sides of every issue, it was hard to know who was right." Horse pucky.

It's not that hard. You simply find out which assertions made by the narrative, find the opposite viewpoint, and that is an indicator of the truth.

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She wasn't in the the dark, though. She made a choice for career and social preservation without considering the longterm consequences of being wrong. Clearly, she had a motivation to write the article, and The Atlantic had a motivation to publish it. My guess is neither had a personal epiphany. They are reading the tea leaves, and it's not looking good.

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Probably providing a blueprint for excuses her & her cultists can use for the righteously outraged.

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It won't work. They think we're stupid. We're not.

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Moreover, she is worried about the consequences for the whole cabal, and is their anointed messenger.

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Nailed it!

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I will not forgive Covidian like her, I will not forget, and neither will my children who were protected but watched their generation, including many of their friends who don’t attend their top ranked conservative private school, get destroyed by arrogant jerks like this b.

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I'd like to see a very large rogue's gallery of covid offenders, and her photo should definitely be included.

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NCMom, wish I still lived in Cary because I'd like to have a cup of coffee with you!

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As alluded to, it's really independent of this particular 'issue' and is all about the power grab. In this case it was covid.

But let's not forget all the 'normalizing' of mental illness (e.g. trans, pronouns, etc.), drug dependence, unhealthy lifestyles (e.g. embracing fatness), and fomenting of division (e.g. BLM, DIE, climate, politics, abortion, etc.). While people think they may be unrelated, they all conform to the rules for radicals to destabilize society and grab power. They didn't 'not know', they knew, did it on purpose, and got caught - now they feign ignorance and ask for forgiveness just to rinse and repeat (up next - climate crisis!).

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"Never fail to take advantage of a crisis." How many times was that running through our heads during this pandemic. And boy did they take advantage. Remember the complete overhaul of sporting events, where athletes masked up, knelt at the alter of BLM while cardboard onlookers watched in an empty stadium?

I don't think people think it is unrelated. All these things mainly come from the political left, but it is more systemic than that. It is really between those of us who still hold to the idea that there is some integrity left to the state, and those that realize that most of it is a metastasized cancer of bureaucracy.

This was the killjoy that the gift or restrictions kept on giving.

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Yes. Serial errors, serial ignorance = deliberate and evil.

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Exactly....all of it!

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Unless there is confession, remorse and penance, apologies are meaningless.

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And a retreat to never again telling others what they should say think or do.

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Well said.

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Were there apologies?

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I'm willing to watch Military Tribunals for All covid pimps and whores.

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Nuremberg II

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Me too. With plenty of popcorn and near zero sympathy.

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@donlemon.

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DL Needs a bruising. That lemon is bitter and rotten!

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One bad lemon does spoil the whole network. 🍋

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Reminds me of the title of a great book I just finished, "Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me." The authors of that book, while almost irredeemably leftist, do acknowledge that people who make mistakes seldom acknowledge it. What Oster seems to be calling for is BOTH an implied acknowledgement from those who were harmed AND a blanket forgiveness by the same people, without even the semblance of admission or asking for that forgiveness by those who actually made the mistakes! Then again, I could have guaranteed this type of behavior--as we all could have--two damned years ago.

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Coincidence. I just finished that book. Good read.

I wasn't the biggest Trump fan (but I voted for him), but I thought there was some gratuitous parts deriding Trump.

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Same. (Well, I did not vote for him, and I think and thought him a bit of a moron, but then again, so is Brandon!)

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Yeah. What do you think about DeSantis?

I think he should run with Ladapo.

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I like DeSantis, in terms of his actions and stances during the covid dumpster fire. That said, I tend to eschew putting too much faith in politicians, regardless of party.

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We definitely have to be realistic about politicians but also deal with the fact that SOMEONE is going to be elected - might as well be someone with whom I have the most agreement and right now, DeSantis - and maybe someone like Kari Lake (yes, I know she's new to the scene but I like what I see and hear at this point) - is the best on offer.

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agree. I just see what the hard Left did to children as evil.

So, as an Independent, I'm going straight R this time.

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Classic narcissism.

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BOOM!

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Not only that, but I sense a certain amount of virtue signalling. She is talking about how she is co-teaching a class on this. Co-teaching a class? Unless she claims her expertise is in how wrong she was/is then I would not pay her a dime for it.

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I fear this is the first of a few trial balloons to cause the anger to subside that should rightly be used to put the evidence and perpetrators on trial for knowingly trying to steal our freedoms, propagate a known bio weapon, threaten our jobs and families for not complying, killing people when the evidence has been there that the "approved" course of action was killing people, etc.

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I think that fear of yours is warranted. A friend of mine who follows closely this stuff and the cabal, has theorized that what may be coming is a"fund for the victims" something akin to what was done in the aftermath of 9/11. That is, if the narrative collapses they will say it was exigent times and required action and that they are ready to compensate those that paid the price in this global emergency. Yada, yada, yada......

And of course, such a program would only serve to drive us even further into debt as a country, thereby accelerating the possible collapse of our economy.

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That makes sense. I mean, who can pass up a payout, right? So blame the Republicans for not paying out. If I was in office, I'd say payouts are contingent on findings of fraud by the pharmaceutical companies, and let them fight against government agencies to see who gets stuck with the tab. The FDA has already admitted that they knew, but felt they had to go along. And most of their budget comes from pharmaceutical companies. Since they won't all want to subsidize Pfizer's fraud through increased rates, they might even help pin Pfizer to the wall (or if they'd been knee - capped by Pfizer in the past, they might help point them to the direct evidence.)

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Excellent point - I am also being 'asked' to forgive and forget (move on, let it go, etc), but in fact not one person is actually apologizing. what they are doing is the opposite of asking forgiveness, they're asking for a pass on shitty behavior. I would love to hear one person say to me "I'm really sorry for what I did, I was wrong, and I wish I had been a better/stronger/calmer/more rational person. It was shitty of me, I am sorry for whatever damage I did to you." But all I hear is 'let it go, move on". I too would be willing to consider forgiveness but as you say, that means they need to own what they've done, and that's not what's going on.

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Jen that is exactly as I feel too. It is as if they were right and they tell you to stop being so hard on them, whereas it is they who were the hard boiled eggs, and indeed, as long as they do not apologize sincerely (not half ways like that Atlantic person) there is no forgiveness.

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totally agree Becky. They scolded us, neglected us, let us in the cold. And now we have to warm them? forget it !

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No thanks, I’d rather see a full fledged Nuremberg trial to assure us that things like crimes against humanity won’t never again go unpunished.

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Civil penalties for the corporations. Sue them into bankruptcy and then go after their creditors.

Deep reform for regulatory agencies. Deep like "burn it all down and start over".

Appropriate criminal penalties for individuals. Mass murderers don't get amnesty. Maybe if they turn state's witness they can get a more comfy cell.

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Don't forget universities. Those were some of the worst culprits.

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I vote for Nuremberg! Perhaps Emily Oster will only get prison rather than the gallows.

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"Perhaps."

And Perhaps Not.

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Spandau ballet.

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Complete with the same sentences

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I like your thinking on that.

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Especially for the media.

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"We are at a critical juncture in our attempt to recover from madness that occurred following March of 2020. Believing we could magically avoid cold and flu season led us to this moment and we must now resist magical thinking that somehow things will passively go back to the normal we experienced in 2019. The consequences of our actions will be with us the rest of our lives, but we can make sure this damage will not be repeated by forcibly reestablishing the moral order.

"The truth must be outed, and many among our elites, experts, and technocrats must receive the punishment which they have earned for themselves. Our media and social media companies must be forced to admit they engaged in illegal and immoral propaganda and censorship activities."

https://brownstone.org/articles/mitigation-is-the-golden-calf/

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Agreed, except not as retribution or even punishment.

As protection against future evil.

As warning.

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Appreciate your passion but it ain't gonna happen. This is way too big a scale to prosecute (GLOBAL) When was the last time our government was punished for anything? We'll have to take our small victories and make sure WE THE PEOPLE don't ever let this happen again!

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Nuremberg was simply a communist show-trial. It's an absolute inversion of all morality.

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I have one word for you, dear Emily. No! Also, Fuck, no!

Instead, we'll accept words like "Investigations", "Trials", and "Prosecutions"!

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and "Prison"

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Brown is full of bad professors with bad ideas like her. White House covid czar Ashish jha was Dean of its school of public health. He covered up a students hospitalization from a covid jab and still pushed ahead with mandating it. Pure evil. https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-get-into-harvard-part-2

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yes, bleak times for the gato alma mater.

andrew bostom has been a stand out stand up guy though.

proud to call him a gatopal™

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My son was a student there during the dark days, but luckily got our of there in time to preserve his un-coerced status. I went back-&-forth w/the Brown president quite a few times at the beginning of all of this, pointing out the scientific error of their ways (with help from Bad Cat data, of course) & all I got was "we're following CDC guidelines". He still had plenty of friends who voluntarily submitted, and two of them came down w/myocarditis. Shame on Brown (& you know what I do w/their fundraising letters) & Emily Oster, who knows the truth.

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Ironically President Paxson (PhD) is trained as a health economist. These schools of billions of endowment funds, they don’t need donations from us peasants. Hope they get taken down to side by lawsuits.

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Great minds think alike! We share an alma mater. Glad there are others who escaped the demoralization.

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that endless opposition made some of us all the fiercer.

PC was a sort of omnipresent but not quite overpowering nuisance back in the 90's.

it had not yet become the woke world axle of permitted discourse and debate.

but it has really broken that place. my last reunion was my last. i just felt no kinship to the place anymore.

you should see the earful i sent them when they asked why i do not donate any more.

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why would you even donate to begin with? The ridiculous tuition you paid wasn't enough?

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Brown University probably mandated vaccines for their students, didn’t they? Thanks for mandating the poisoning of children.

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Every ivy mandated the booster as well, now Harvard and Yale are overachieving by mandating the bivalent booster that was only tested on 8 mice

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https://healthy.brown.edu/faq

Still mandated. The disgusting self-obsessed virtue signalling of this vaxxed prof and her vaxxed students all LARPing the same kind of cushy guilt they trot out when cringing about their whiteness or privilege or some shit--it's just beyond the pale to me.

NO amnesty, NO forgiveness, they've earned my forever disdain.

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I am suffering from PTSD after what these people did to my family. She clearly has no clue what happened to folks who didn't comply. We were shunned by friends and family. We lost our jobs and our communities and according to Emily, let's just let bygone be bygones? This is just more of the same abuse. Gaslight us to believe it was just a few mistakes, and we are all good people, so let's call the whole thing off. Shall we? I am not surprised by this article one iota but she can shove it.

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This is reminiscent of the lefties who attacked Trump every hour of every day, but then claimed that we should "unite" (i.e. STFU) and not criticize the horror of the current administration. According to Biden, "talk" is unacceptable, and is the reason for the violence.

I don't think so.

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YES--like out of one side of their mouths it's all "Why can't Trump just let it go? We need to unite and move on!!!!!" and then out of the other it's all "Hey, maybe we can impeach him a third time? Or, can we declare a national day of mourning foreverandever for the J6 INNNNNSURRRRRRECTION?"

Eff these people.

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Every now and then I make cautious forays - recons - onto "friends'" FB pages, or I will check out something they have posted. These are the lefties that make up 90% of the people around me. I am absolutely stunned by their obsession with Trump. They really do think of him as Hitler, or worse. Why??? Don't bother to reply - I know the answer. Because they are weak-minded and they have been brainwashed. It's funny and sad and frightening all at once.

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And then every time Biden opens his mouth, it's to divide.

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The hypocrisy - it's a joke.

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Yep, I just KNEW this kind of crap was coming.

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Cat's out of the bag, and the rats are scrambling for damage control. We'll just see about that.

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How about forgiveness when 5.4 billion vaxxed and 8 billion masked and locked down get their lives, health, and welfare back?.....And when those, who took all rights and human dignity away, did so without even giving them a chance to write an article in the Atlantic? Much less due process?

Tell that to the parents and grandparents who died alone, with tubes and ventillators, and NO HUMAN CONTACT?????!!!!!

Or the generation of kids who are now functionally illiterate and innumerate?

Dream on bitch!

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"Tell that to the parents and grandparents who died alone, with tubes and ventillators, and NO HUMAN CONTACT?????!!!!!"

(Oh, yeah, there's the rub. Unconscionable. It makes me seethe).

"Or the generation of kids who are now functionally illiterate and innumerate?"

(I do have difficulty with this thought that has been put forth into social media. The sense is that the only real learning occurs in a classroom. The amazing thing is that through this pandemic the internet stayed up, and it is an incredible resource for learning schooling basics. Ask any homeschooler who will tell you they use the many math / english / music [and more] programs as a daily adjunct to other programs they use. As well, fantastic, well-laid-out, well-illustrated workbooks on many subjects from JK-8 abound. There is no reason a child should be functionally illiterate and innumerate. They just need parents who care enough to investigate and oversee).

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True. I took over my niece's first grade online education in Oct 2020 when my seasonal ended (she was too scared of her gramma and her mom, the latter of which merely threatened her with a wooden spoon while yelling at her). I controlled which lessons she did when, with the hardest early when she was sharpest, gave her some leeway on when to take breaks, personally oversaw her writing lessons (frequent meltdowns) and subsidized with some fun reading together (we read LM Montgomery books together). She flourished, the teacher was happy with how much better she started doing with me, and now with in-person learning she just got news she's next in line to join the gifted program.

Its not easy and takes a ton of patience.

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The children who spent two years living in isolation with mask nazis, who perhaps have rarely seen a live human face, or children who have spent two years alone, sedentary, in front of a blue screen. Not everyone has been actually home-schooling.

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Hooray! As did we. And it continued in our family. Now our 11 grandchildren are being homeschooled.

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Emily and her ilk scared my elderly mother so much, my mom was afraid to give me a hug on my birthday back in 2020, for fear she might kill me.

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How about you apologise first. That might be a good start.

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Forgiveness must first be sought to be actualized.

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Dear Emily,

There will be NO forgiving and NO forgetting what you and others have done. You will get yours soon enough. At this point I don't really care if it is legal or not. I won't feel the slightest bit sorry for you.

The only thing you have to be happy about is that in my country the 14% who remain un-jabbed are the least of your concerns. You didn't get us and our immediate family. What do you think the other 86% are going to do to you when they put 2 + 2 = 4?

Some will be like Stalin's "Useful Idiots" and go to their graves saying "It wasn't the vaccine" or "It would have been worse without the vaccine" but a lot will want a pound of flesh. YOUR FLESH and every other LOSER who forced/coerced them into it.

Right now us un-jabbed are the least of your worries. We just start a dead pool to amuse ourselves and wait to see which of you true believers drop dead next from the experimental gene therapy injections.

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To be fair, she isn't interested in mass forgiveness, only that the RIGHT people forgive each other lol

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"I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty."

Brown University still requiring the vax [https://healthy.brown.edu/faq]. It's a big virtue signalling LARP, 'let's pat all of our vaxxed selves on the back for even considering we could have been mildly wrong and by 'wrong' I mean just having the bad manners to be rude to a fellow hiker.'

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Yes please get a 4th and 5th booster will you Emily?

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I'd give her a ride to the clinic if I lived nearby. Seriously, I would.

Just being helpful to show that there are no hard feelings.

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I think she should get 10 shots to do the whole world a favor.......

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A lot of the useful idiots will be going after the unjabbed. Envy is a powerful motivator for the political left, thus their 'straight white male' stuff. I'm personally laying low because the guillotines are almost certainly coming.

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They've been there, done that and got the T-Shirt. It says "Austria" on it. They went "Full Monty" and passed laws enabling forced injections. Then the gloves came off. Politicians, doctor, cops and anyone who publicly supported it was doxxed and hounded to the point that one doctor killed herself. The cops "declined" to enforce because the defence being bandied about on forums was to carry 1-2 ounces of gasoline in one pocket and a lighter in the other. It wasn't morals or ethics they just didn't want to become roast pork. The government tried to hire goons but facing maiming and/or a fiery death didn't get enough interest. The gov then scrapped the plan.

They finally found people's breaking point. Forced injection. People are too patient but it's great to see them threaten justifiable self defence. As "Louder With Crowder" had on his sign: "Forced Injection of an Experimental treatment is attempted murder and warrants lethal self defence. Change My Mind."

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I was torn on gun control pre-pandemic but I watched places with the strictest gun control become crime ridden hell holes with endless restrictions instantly. Now I’m a huge fan of the second amendment. Well armed states just didn’t have as many mandates because no one was going to enforce it and risk a terrible outcome to enforce ridiculous mandates. My husband and I got our conceal carry license during Covid. The line at the sheriff is office was really long, and that’s with having to make an appointment. This is in a county that went over 70% to Biden but only 27% of parents dumb enough to inject their kids with mRNA shots and only about half of teenagers and younger adults. When I walked around bare face half the time the other smiles I could see most clearly were the local police officers. 😂

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Agreed, but that was not motivated by envy - that was another nasty leftist inclination (treating other human beings like cattle to achieve utopia).

Maybe the envy stuff won't materialize, as they'll be too embarrassed to amass in groups after this. One thing is for sure, we are headed for political violence, and potentially a lot of it if this cannot be handled through legal means.

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Forgiveness is a concept that makes sense for discussion about how you're going to treat the sister-in-law who refused to spend Christmas with you. It has no place in a discussion about holding public officials and others in power accountable for what they did to the people who had to live under their thumb. I can't tell you how often I hear the old concepts of Christian charity (no offense to non-Christians--I mean it as a specific cultural reference, not a judgment on any faith) leveraged in a heavy lift in favor of totalitarianism or other evil concept. It's tiresome. It's not about whether I would "forgive" Adolf Hitler or Rachel Levine. It's about whether these people should have jobs ever again, other than (maybe. maybe!) mowing the grass median on Route 22 in New Jersey. If I were a mother whose child was condemned to a lifetime of illiteracy--I'm sorry, but if you miss years of school and your parents can't quit their jobs to teach you, you're probably never really learning how to read--I *might* be able to forgive Gretchen Whitmer, but I certainly wouldn't want her ever having any position of power or influence (or high pay) ever, ever, ever again.

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She's an economist, and I bet soooo busy spouting off about masks, Emily didn't bother to post about the wave of inflation all of us rubes saw coming due to the covid response. I wouldn't let her mow a lawn, she's literally unemployable.

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Create an incredible scarcity of raw materials and goods, while paying people more to do nothing than they were paid when they were working... I did take a year of ec in college, but as you rightly note, no formal education in ec is necessary to see how that looney-toons scenario plays out.

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They were in the dark . . . . . yeah, that tends to happen when you make the personal decision to go over to the Dark Side.

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the fact that some of the leading experts in the world were censored, insulted and attacked by those "in the dark" nullifies any forgiveness. these simpering "we didn't know, we were doing the best we could" claims started floating out awhile ago, and it's repulsive. if they were honestly trying to do the right thing, they'd have welcomed the opinions and feedback from experts. instead they attacked them. nope- no forgiveness for that.

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Back in 2020, one of my cousin's FB "friends" said she should be tried for attempted murder for not wearing a mask. I linked for her the studies which showed cloth masks were ineffective, but she saw the government required disclaimer at the top, and stood her ground (remember that disclaimer? It basically said, "The below study may say that masking doesn't work, but it really does, because the government now says it does." I'm considering pulling that up and linking Gato's article for her.

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You could try, just to have the satisfaction of doing so, but don't expect it to work. These people are beyond reason.

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How many times did we read and hear our neighbors saying "If everyone would wear a mask, this would be over in 3 weeks"? Or- "I saw someone in the hardware store with no mask on! That's why my son's football games are being canceled!" "I saw someone in the drugstore without a mask on, and he refused to put on the one I shoved in his face, so now I probably have COVID, but I found out where he lives so please harrass him." ETC. I saved the screenshots. We should have a site where we can share them, so we don't forget.

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They are still saying it!

Lots of people in my neck of the fascist CA woods have allegedly (based on the stupid PCR tests) have recently caught covid. A customer came in and said--parroting the media, dutifully--well it's because nobody's taking the same precautions they were. I felt like I was interacting with a bot.

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I’m not in a forgiving mood or expect I ever will be…I had to watch my father slowly die over a period of 3 months from CHF through a damn window! When my mother was in respiratory failure from covid I had to say goodbye to her over the damn phone!! I want accountability, I want justice, I want people arrested. I want our version of the Nuremberg Trials broadcast 24/7!

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I'm so sorry. Being kept away from your loved ones as they passed away has got to be one of the worst atrocities of this whole thing.

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‘We need to forgive one another for what we did and said…’

Who “we”?

I did nothing and said only the truth. It’s a mild virus serious in only a tiny fraction of the population, lockdowns and mask are useless after a virus has begun to circulate widely, vaccines are not effective against RNA viruses, and experimental ones are dangerous. Forcing healthy people to isolate, wear masks, get injections was tyranny. I was right so I need no forgiveness but I do want my pound of flesh… no let’s be metric, kilo of flesh - public floggings, and heads on spikes. Then I shall forgive.

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The Covid crazies are also (largely) the same academics and bureaucrats who are mutilating kids because of their crackpot gender ideology.

We don't need to wait for the next pandemic for their lack of accountability to cause damage. They'll whip up a moral panic and do it on their own without an engineered virus. Consequences. Now.

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Stop voting for Democrats people! There’s a start!!!

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