Look, even N95 masks do not prevent transmission of respiratory viruses.
We might think “they ought to”.
Ok then, empirical evidence will show it.
It’s been a year since I looked at the literature, including at Prof Tom Jefferson at U Oxford’s Centre For Evidence-Based Medicine (is there another kind??) & several meta analyses.
Even N95 masks, as worn “in the field”, had no impact whatsoever on respiratory virus transmission.
It may be that “they got infected when they took their masks off in the staff room” or “they got it from granny who popped over for tea & biscuits”. Perhaps “their masks were a poor fit to their face, or they had a beard, or they contaminated themselves by poor donning & doffing technique”. I really don’t know.
That’s the entire point of science. It proceeds via observation, hypothesis, empirical testing capable of falsifying the hypothesis & when falsified, we say “that wasn’t correct; what’s next?”
If the hypothesis is NOT falsified, we say that the hypothesis is consistent with the evidence.
Where we are now is that N95 masks aren’t going to make any difference except the following:
-someone’s going to make a packet of money
-some people will probably be made ill by masking (it’s definitely true of cloth masks; people experience much higher rates of unusual bacterial pneumonias).
-respiratory virus transmission won’t change.
The best way to nearly arrest respiratory virus transmission isn’t difficult & we’ve known this for decades.
Those with symptoms should voluntarily minimise close contact with anyone.
We know - again, from empirical study - that asymptomatic transmission is nearly impossible & is certainly epidemiologically irrelevant.
Almost all transmission is from a SYMPTOMATIC person to a susceptible person. It almost never happens outside or in well ventilated spaces.
The bulk of transmission occurred & is still occurring in care homes & hospitals and to a limited extent in the domestic setting.
All the masking people without symptoms is a PsyOp, designed to keep our lizard brains fearful & alert for a hazard, which is absent.
Ohhhh so sneaky omicron has figured out how to slip through the fabric that stopped delta in its tracks...? Boy, this virus really IS smart! 🙄 I think we better just go straight to 24/7 hazmat suits for all...
My good friend Dr Paul Elias Alexander wrote this compendium of mask studies. The third one is by Prof Tom Jefferson. Go check his publications. A no BS empirical scientist.
You're right! Stricter and purer masking is what we've been missing these past couple of years! However, it's my patriotic duty to not buy N95 masks since the hospitals are overrun and I'm sure that there's a shortage of PPE for the nurse's dance routines. lol
This is a good development and we should encourage people to comply (those who would otherwise wear cloth anyway). It won't take quite as long for them to realize it's harder to breathe when a mask does any kind of filtration. Maybe enough of them will collapse and we can end the charade.
I've been duct-taping eight Hefty bags around my head for 2 years now. Only been infected five times. Still can't figure out why this sore on my left buttock won't go away.
And moving somewhere may or may not help. The masking is everywhere and as soon as these governors are told to they will, once again, "mandate" them. The key is, and always has been, to STAND YOUR GROUND. Stop letting politicians and Karens tell you what to do. It's difficult, but I live in a so-called "red" state and when things were full bore around the country, all of the same things were implemented here as well. The difference? We kept telling them to F off. Courage doesn't magically happen by moving somewhere. Courage is a choice one makes where they are and in their circumstances. If we aren't brave where we are now, we won't be brave when we move somewhere else and the same policies are mandated. We must start standing our ground. Be willing to be inconvenienced. Be willing to get the dirty looks and the comments. Be willing to drive somewhere else, get black market food, grow our own, do without etc. Be willing to say no. Period.
The mask is my pet issue. As someone who wore them for over 30 years and was trained every year about the right kind to wear for what situation etc, it's been something that has stuck in my craw. But you know what? I said NO. I was willing to be fined or whatever it took to stand my ground. If we are still complying with this one we have no hope. Just don't wear it. If a business requires it, tell them you don't wear them and if they insist, just walk out after telling them you won't ever spend money there again. This is the *easiest* issue we have and people are willing to pack up and move for masks? We have to start being better than this if we are ever going to stop this stuff. Apologies for the rant.
How does even the N95 mask become the optimum air borne defense? Even projected spittle landing on a N95 will evaporate leaving C-19 to inhale or blow to someone else as, really, it does on all mask types.
source: Dr. Robert W. Koops: search: The Year of Disguises - AIER; 10/20/2020
Of course, N95s require medical clearance and professional annual fit testing. Lockdown until we train a hundred thousand new professional fit testers!
Never attentive to malice what can be attributed to stupidity, but can people really be this stupid?
Look I am no maskologist, but before Covid anytime I was serious about say, not inhaling PVC glue fumes, etc., I would put on one of those $80 respirators with the two filtration canisters, and strap it on tight. Even with that you might get a little whiff here and there if the contours didnt alight during movement. It has seemed to me that anything less than that level of protection is not going to cut it when it comes to the tiny covid particles.
This must be the next phase of the coordinated messaging campaign since it is being disseminated by multiple propaganda outlets as they inch the screws ever tighter:
Food for thought. Human beings and household pets (especially dogs) have been living together in close quarters for millennia. Yet, none of the viruses that cause the common cold or flu in humans has mutated so as to be able to infect our pets despite literally billions of opportunities to do so. Nevertheless, the Science is telling us that a bat virus, which has undoubtedly had extremely limited opportunities to mutate so as to be able to infect humans has done so.
Wake up, folks! The species-jumping virus is a lie. Viruses do not "learn" how to infect other species. If they do jump species (i.e., gain function they did not previously have), it is only because they were modified in a lab.
This just doesn't make sense and everyone sees it. You can't scream bloody murder about a virus for two years, fail to contain it every single time you try, then explain later that you were recommending inferior protection because... why exactly? What is the argument for withholding better protection, if it would have worked? Quebec had a curfew for 5 months in 2020, and *now* they want to worship at the alter of N95 masks? No. Just no.
Is OSHA now going to do their actual job and get involved with the legal requirements of N95 masking if these respirators (and yes, N95 are respirators under OSHA) become mandated? Because we all know how Blue States/checks love mandating BS NPIs that don't work, aren't enforced for the beautiful elite, and are onerous on the proles. And if these jackals require N95 for kids...
Employers will have to fit test, Spirometry test (this will be fun for those out of shape, probably 60% of the work force, no work for you), supply and maintenence of the respirators, plus all of the tracking.
This is literally opening up Pandor's Big Box of Stupidity, on a national scale, again.
Pretty sure Newsom out here in Calif is poised to pounce on this ASAP.
Oh, but they were only noble-lying about the cloth masks to make sure the health workers could get the N-95s, so it’s okay and they were right to lie and we should always and forever keep trusting what they say!
You have to admit it is kind of brilliant to implicitly admit their face covering edicts were complete BS by leveraging the advent of a new variant as the smokescreen. I mean, most people are going to buy this as the facts changing because the virus is changing even though how the virus responds to masks hasn't changed since the days when it was accepted science that masks don't work against airborne viruses.
Whatever happened to the Anal-Covid tests ? I'm sure they'll finally be released soon ! And with the attendant ass-masks to go with ! But most importantly, I want a 'Believe, Chairman Meow' T-shirt !!! How can I get one ?
Just saw a woman in a very expensive car stop where there was no sign, then proceed tentatively. As I waited at the actual stop, I saw she was wearing a mask. Alone. No wonder. Toonces knows better.
It's not only a way to gauge subservience and train people, it's also a way to give them brain damage. Do you know what an N95 worn for 8 hours can do? Even the cloth ones are bad news. The good thing is even though I see people masked, I see mostly the cheap throwaway ones, that (I hope) most people understand do nothing, but they're just complying. Now if we can just get them to stop doing even that.
People just assume masks must work because they do not understand.
I "assume" that the sun goes around the world once a day. It's obvious, I see it with my own eyes. Apparently, though, some guy called Galileo says the earth goes around the sun. What nonsense is that! He should be censored for misinformation.
Correct. A handful of self serving, egotistical clowns handing down orders from the top, and doubling down on their incompetence because they are too prideful and corrupt. Centralized control exactly like we’d expect to see under Marxism, and it fucking sucks.
osha suggests n95 for dust, "n95 masks do NOT protect you against chemical vapors, gases, carbon monoxide, gasoline, asbestos, lead or low oxygen environments."
Nowhere in that NPR story does it actually say that any type of mask will protect you from Covid. It does say something about the electrostatic charge in medical masks acting to trap viral particles while breathing. Of course, real world use means the effect is probably minimal. The story implicitly concedes that cloth masks are useless and surgical masks have too many gaps to be effective. If masking was actually about protecting vulnerable people, these stories would firmly tell people that general mask practice and cloth masks were doing nothing and they were putting themselves at risk in public. But masks aren't about health.
this is literally the epidemiology equivalent of capitalists standing in the smoldering ruins of their one time economy say, after the Great Depression which required a world war to recover from , and saying
Already these masks are polluting the ocean, with the micro plastics in them. I heard that if they get wet they discharge toxic stuff. So let’s fill up landfills, our water supply, and the oceans with more waste just do the N95 makers get to make a bundle.
This has nothing to do with socialism. No self-respecting socialist would lame the economy and put everyone on welfare. And the social democratic Swsedes have remained sane. Phil Devine
When people tell obvious lies which can easily be seen, it means they have only contempt for others and certainty they will not be held to account.
If masks, except N95, won’t stop Omicron, then they won’t stop all the other mutations which of course we were told they could and would - the mutants are all the same size or has Omicron suddenly mutated back into a bat?
A virus is not more transmissible because of its physical characteristics or which masks are being worn, but because it produces near unnoticeable symptoms leaving its hosts highly mobile.
We’ll, this article induced panic in my house! 🤦♀️ My liberal partner (yikes, I know, what’s a conservative coupled with a lib? But I love him) he ran right out and got a box of N95, citing info from NPR. Good Lord. Me, I go maskless and never bought into this whole Covid crap. But at least I talked him out of a booster, one battle won.
This is just breath taking. (Ha! Literally at times!)
Seriously. Why now? Why are they doing this now? We have had N95s for ages. If they feel so strongly about this issue, why didn’t they recommend these masks back when we didn’t have the glorious vaccines?
I think many do not appreciate the real purpose of a high quality mask. It is a place to maintain a fresh supply of infectious agents in warm snot to keep from getting the dreaded lazy nasal passage syndrome.
Look, even N95 masks do not prevent transmission of respiratory viruses.
We might think “they ought to”.
Ok then, empirical evidence will show it.
It’s been a year since I looked at the literature, including at Prof Tom Jefferson at U Oxford’s Centre For Evidence-Based Medicine (is there another kind??) & several meta analyses.
Even N95 masks, as worn “in the field”, had no impact whatsoever on respiratory virus transmission.
It may be that “they got infected when they took their masks off in the staff room” or “they got it from granny who popped over for tea & biscuits”. Perhaps “their masks were a poor fit to their face, or they had a beard, or they contaminated themselves by poor donning & doffing technique”. I really don’t know.
That’s the entire point of science. It proceeds via observation, hypothesis, empirical testing capable of falsifying the hypothesis & when falsified, we say “that wasn’t correct; what’s next?”
If the hypothesis is NOT falsified, we say that the hypothesis is consistent with the evidence.
Where we are now is that N95 masks aren’t going to make any difference except the following:
-someone’s going to make a packet of money
-some people will probably be made ill by masking (it’s definitely true of cloth masks; people experience much higher rates of unusual bacterial pneumonias).
-respiratory virus transmission won’t change.
The best way to nearly arrest respiratory virus transmission isn’t difficult & we’ve known this for decades.
Those with symptoms should voluntarily minimise close contact with anyone.
We know - again, from empirical study - that asymptomatic transmission is nearly impossible & is certainly epidemiologically irrelevant.
Almost all transmission is from a SYMPTOMATIC person to a susceptible person. It almost never happens outside or in well ventilated spaces.
The bulk of transmission occurred & is still occurring in care homes & hospitals and to a limited extent in the domestic setting.
All the masking people without symptoms is a PsyOp, designed to keep our lizard brains fearful & alert for a hazard, which is absent.
Best wishes
Mike
Dr Mike Yeadon
Or, you could just get covid, blow your nose for a couple days, and get on with life.
Ohhhh so sneaky omicron has figured out how to slip through the fabric that stopped delta in its tracks...? Boy, this virus really IS smart! 🙄 I think we better just go straight to 24/7 hazmat suits for all...
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
https://drtrozzi.org/2021/12/21/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-on-mask-ineffectiveness-and-harms/
My good friend Dr Paul Elias Alexander wrote this compendium of mask studies. The third one is by Prof Tom Jefferson. Go check his publications. A no BS empirical scientist.
"Grandpa, when did you know for certain the US was in terminal decline?"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1474049649220763652
You're right! Stricter and purer masking is what we've been missing these past couple of years! However, it's my patriotic duty to not buy N95 masks since the hospitals are overrun and I'm sure that there's a shortage of PPE for the nurse's dance routines. lol
This is a good development and we should encourage people to comply (those who would otherwise wear cloth anyway). It won't take quite as long for them to realize it's harder to breathe when a mask does any kind of filtration. Maybe enough of them will collapse and we can end the charade.
I wonder if any of the maskholes will begin to experience mask fatigue now that they can't wear cutesie or corporate-branded masks?
Masks are MAGA hats for Democritters.
I've been duct-taping eight Hefty bags around my head for 2 years now. Only been infected five times. Still can't figure out why this sore on my left buttock won't go away.
No mask, even in a store full of people wearing them. I am polite wherever I go, and no one is yet asking me to wear one. But enough is enough.
Remember when they told us masks didn’t work? The good old days!
And moving somewhere may or may not help. The masking is everywhere and as soon as these governors are told to they will, once again, "mandate" them. The key is, and always has been, to STAND YOUR GROUND. Stop letting politicians and Karens tell you what to do. It's difficult, but I live in a so-called "red" state and when things were full bore around the country, all of the same things were implemented here as well. The difference? We kept telling them to F off. Courage doesn't magically happen by moving somewhere. Courage is a choice one makes where they are and in their circumstances. If we aren't brave where we are now, we won't be brave when we move somewhere else and the same policies are mandated. We must start standing our ground. Be willing to be inconvenienced. Be willing to get the dirty looks and the comments. Be willing to drive somewhere else, get black market food, grow our own, do without etc. Be willing to say no. Period.
The mask is my pet issue. As someone who wore them for over 30 years and was trained every year about the right kind to wear for what situation etc, it's been something that has stuck in my craw. But you know what? I said NO. I was willing to be fined or whatever it took to stand my ground. If we are still complying with this one we have no hope. Just don't wear it. If a business requires it, tell them you don't wear them and if they insist, just walk out after telling them you won't ever spend money there again. This is the *easiest* issue we have and people are willing to pack up and move for masks? We have to start being better than this if we are ever going to stop this stuff. Apologies for the rant.
A measurable fact about N95 (even fitted and tested for fit):
C-19 virus size: 100 nanometers (1nm=0.000000001 meter)
N95 breath hole size: 300 nanometers
How does even the N95 mask become the optimum air borne defense? Even projected spittle landing on a N95 will evaporate leaving C-19 to inhale or blow to someone else as, really, it does on all mask types.
source: Dr. Robert W. Koops: search: The Year of Disguises - AIER; 10/20/2020
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The most clown part of it is that they don’t even understand that the n95 is not a mask at all. Fuckin morons.
Of course, N95s require medical clearance and professional annual fit testing. Lockdown until we train a hundred thousand new professional fit testers!
Never attentive to malice what can be attributed to stupidity, but can people really be this stupid?
Look I am no maskologist, but before Covid anytime I was serious about say, not inhaling PVC glue fumes, etc., I would put on one of those $80 respirators with the two filtration canisters, and strap it on tight. Even with that you might get a little whiff here and there if the contours didnt alight during movement. It has seemed to me that anything less than that level of protection is not going to cut it when it comes to the tiny covid particles.
How many fool-me’s does it take for the Covidians to develop any shame?
This must be the next phase of the coordinated messaging campaign since it is being disseminated by multiple propaganda outlets as they inch the screws ever tighter:
https://reason.com/2021/12/21/leana-wen-cloth-mask-facial-decorations-covid-cdc-guidance/
I’m normally a live and let live kinda guy, libertarian you do you and I’ll do me.
But I find myself wishing ill will upon these authoritarian clowns more and more…
Food for thought. Human beings and household pets (especially dogs) have been living together in close quarters for millennia. Yet, none of the viruses that cause the common cold or flu in humans has mutated so as to be able to infect our pets despite literally billions of opportunities to do so. Nevertheless, the Science is telling us that a bat virus, which has undoubtedly had extremely limited opportunities to mutate so as to be able to infect humans has done so.
Wake up, folks! The species-jumping virus is a lie. Viruses do not "learn" how to infect other species. If they do jump species (i.e., gain function they did not previously have), it is only because they were modified in a lab.
This just doesn't make sense and everyone sees it. You can't scream bloody murder about a virus for two years, fail to contain it every single time you try, then explain later that you were recommending inferior protection because... why exactly? What is the argument for withholding better protection, if it would have worked? Quebec had a curfew for 5 months in 2020, and *now* they want to worship at the alter of N95 masks? No. Just no.
Is OSHA now going to do their actual job and get involved with the legal requirements of N95 masking if these respirators (and yes, N95 are respirators under OSHA) become mandated? Because we all know how Blue States/checks love mandating BS NPIs that don't work, aren't enforced for the beautiful elite, and are onerous on the proles. And if these jackals require N95 for kids...
Employers will have to fit test, Spirometry test (this will be fun for those out of shape, probably 60% of the work force, no work for you), supply and maintenence of the respirators, plus all of the tracking.
This is literally opening up Pandor's Big Box of Stupidity, on a national scale, again.
Pretty sure Newsom out here in Calif is poised to pounce on this ASAP.
Oh, but they were only noble-lying about the cloth masks to make sure the health workers could get the N-95s, so it’s okay and they were right to lie and we should always and forever keep trusting what they say!
Whatever happened to double masking? 🤔
You have to admit it is kind of brilliant to implicitly admit their face covering edicts were complete BS by leveraging the advent of a new variant as the smokescreen. I mean, most people are going to buy this as the facts changing because the virus is changing even though how the virus responds to masks hasn't changed since the days when it was accepted science that masks don't work against airborne viruses.
Whatever happened to the Anal-Covid tests ? I'm sure they'll finally be released soon ! And with the attendant ass-masks to go with ! But most importantly, I want a 'Believe, Chairman Meow' T-shirt !!! How can I get one ?
I mean, I do think it’s smart to mask up around leftists but that’s usually because they are pooping on my sidewalk
Just saw a woman in a very expensive car stop where there was no sign, then proceed tentatively. As I waited at the actual stop, I saw she was wearing a mask. Alone. No wonder. Toonces knows better.
It's not only a way to gauge subservience and train people, it's also a way to give them brain damage. Do you know what an N95 worn for 8 hours can do? Even the cloth ones are bad news. The good thing is even though I see people masked, I see mostly the cheap throwaway ones, that (I hope) most people understand do nothing, but they're just complying. Now if we can just get them to stop doing even that.
People just assume masks must work because they do not understand.
I "assume" that the sun goes around the world once a day. It's obvious, I see it with my own eyes. Apparently, though, some guy called Galileo says the earth goes around the sun. What nonsense is that! He should be censored for misinformation.
Yo fuck NPR. Why do people model their lives after this garbage
Correct. A handful of self serving, egotistical clowns handing down orders from the top, and doubling down on their incompetence because they are too prideful and corrupt. Centralized control exactly like we’d expect to see under Marxism, and it fucking sucks.
Germany enters the chat
I tried N95 masks last year in Melbourne when they were 'compulsory'. The trial lasted about 3 minutes in 30ºc + weather.
osha suggests n95 for dust, "n95 masks do NOT protect you against chemical vapors, gases, carbon monoxide, gasoline, asbestos, lead or low oxygen environments."
omicron smalled than asbestos!!!
Nowhere in that NPR story does it actually say that any type of mask will protect you from Covid. It does say something about the electrostatic charge in medical masks acting to trap viral particles while breathing. Of course, real world use means the effect is probably minimal. The story implicitly concedes that cloth masks are useless and surgical masks have too many gaps to be effective. If masking was actually about protecting vulnerable people, these stories would firmly tell people that general mask practice and cloth masks were doing nothing and they were putting themselves at risk in public. But masks aren't about health.
From this study, the stats regarding effectiveness at stopping COVID aerosols are:
* 10% - Cloth
* 12% - Surgical
* 46% - N95 (requires professional fitting)
* 60% - R95 (requires professional fitting)
Ventilation is the best defense against aerosols (vs Plexiglas airflow blockers).
Ref: https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100
What kind of mask is the dude in the background wearing? Military grade haz mask? That’s likely what uncle Joe will be buying for all of us next.
Hey wait? I thought we’d return to normal if we only took the ever-changing requisite jabs.
I suspect next we’ll be told to wear masks with 6 foot Pinocchio style extensions so we “keep the recommended safe distance“.
Date night going to get real interesting.
this is literally the epidemiology equivalent of capitalists standing in the smoldering ruins of their one time economy say, after the Great Depression which required a world war to recover from , and saying
"That wasn't real capitalism.
We just need more exploitation next time."
This is only the first step in moving us to this kind of mask - World Economic Forum Promotes a Mask That Can Diagnose You With COVID, Send Result ‘to Your Smartphone’ https://anti-empire.com/world-economic-forum-promotes-a-mask-that-can-diagnose-you-with-covid-send-result-to-your-smartphone/
Already these masks are polluting the ocean, with the micro plastics in them. I heard that if they get wet they discharge toxic stuff. So let’s fill up landfills, our water supply, and the oceans with more waste just do the N95 makers get to make a bundle.
This has nothing to do with socialism. No self-respecting socialist would lame the economy and put everyone on welfare. And the social democratic Swsedes have remained sane. Phil Devine
When people tell obvious lies which can easily be seen, it means they have only contempt for others and certainty they will not be held to account.
If masks, except N95, won’t stop Omicron, then they won’t stop all the other mutations which of course we were told they could and would - the mutants are all the same size or has Omicron suddenly mutated back into a bat?
A virus is not more transmissible because of its physical characteristics or which masks are being worn, but because it produces near unnoticeable symptoms leaving its hosts highly mobile.
We’ll, this article induced panic in my house! 🤦♀️ My liberal partner (yikes, I know, what’s a conservative coupled with a lib? But I love him) he ran right out and got a box of N95, citing info from NPR. Good Lord. Me, I go maskless and never bought into this whole Covid crap. But at least I talked him out of a booster, one battle won.
This is just breath taking. (Ha! Literally at times!)
Seriously. Why now? Why are they doing this now? We have had N95s for ages. If they feel so strongly about this issue, why didn’t they recommend these masks back when we didn’t have the glorious vaccines?
It’s garbage. All of it. Garbage. Just a joke.
Where can I get Chairman Meow's Little Red Book?
I want to carry it with me always.
What we really need is an RCT on the effectiveness of N95s against COVID.
Oh wait!
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817
ok, so I was using a cloth mask, didn't get sick... but now I have to use a N-95 not to get sick again?
I think many do not appreciate the real purpose of a high quality mask. It is a place to maintain a fresh supply of infectious agents in warm snot to keep from getting the dreaded lazy nasal passage syndrome.