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fauci on smallpox vaccines

a trip back to 2017, when even tony still understood risk/reward and individual choice

i like to allow people to state their positions in their own words. it’s no fair making up what they said or paraphrasing to rob them of nuance and of full expression.

so hear tony out.

because he speaks here with clarity and with nuance.

the year was 2017. he’s speaking about the smallpox vaccine. and he clearly understands risk/reward.

  • smallpox is a disease FAR deadlier than covid.

  • the smallpox vaccine has a severe adverse events rate that is easily 1/100th that of the covid vaccines (and probably quite a lot less than that. could easily be 1/1000th or less)

  • AND it’s a one and done vaccine. you get the shot and you generate lifelong sterilizing immunity. you won’t get smallpox or spread it. you really are the “dead end” tony famously claimed the covid vaccinees would be.

and yet he says we should not bring it back because the vaccine has some rare side effects and this outweighs the benefit.

he is speaking in the longstanding language of risk and reward, cost and benefit in which all sound medical decisions must be based.

so it’s clear this was not some new idea to him.

he understood the process, the canon, and came to what appears to me to be the correct decision here.

get to the end of the video, as that’s the best part.

"so, we decided not to vaccinate the country.

and by the way, the country would not have accepted being vaccinated.

we knew that.

it was sort of like a failsafe and i said, “mr vice president, by the way, even when you’re offering it to the first responders, many of them didn’t wanna take it, so this idea of kind of saying everybody should take it, it didn’t make any sense.”

this is a sound, valid, and correct take.

it’s also an attestation that we should trust the first responders and physicians to make their own choices on their own medical treatments, not champion firing them for refusing to take a drug they feel has poor risk reward for them as has happened so frequently all over the US with flip-flop fauci leading the way.

my how things change…

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SCA's avatar

I did not expect ever to live to the point where I would viscerally understand why anyone might uproot their family and, say, move to a place like Ruby Ridge and defend it to the death.

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Stephenie's avatar

Yup! I live in the Netherlands and in 2020 there was a documentary about the “unregistered kids” from ruinerwold. Wild story that had us scratching our heads at the time. But within a year I thought: I totally get it! We’ve totally goofed in playing by the rules. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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SCA's avatar

You gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.

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Wild Bill's avatar

Know when to walk away, and know when to run...

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Dr Linda's avatar

Time to run.

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Wild Bill's avatar

But, where?? A small tropical island far from most anywhere else, maybe?

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SCA's avatar

No. Put all of them on it. Make sure the waters have sharks.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Even better

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

Too late. It’s already a radioactive dump site. Only trees can survive there.

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Dr Linda's avatar

We could storm the private Disney island. : )

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Elagabalus's avatar

You don't want to be alone. That's no fun. You want to be with like-minded people.

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Elagabalus's avatar

There are free places in the world. I'm in one right now. Sorry, don't want to let the cat out of the bag. But they aren't that hard to find. If you can't find one yourself you probably don't really want to be free anyhow.

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SCA's avatar

This is untrue and unfair. The average person does not have the luxury of working from "anywhere." The average person is likely responsible for the wellbeing, or at least the occasional in-person oversight, of non-portable members of an even minimally-extended family. The average person has almost no liquid assets. Etc. Etc. Etc.

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April Smith's avatar

I find Colorado Springs to be free. I never wore a mask. I let my kid play on the playground when it had tape up to close it.

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Elagabalus's avatar

Oh my golly! Life isn't fair, SCA. But anyhow, I said: "If you can't find a free place". It is true that responsibilities are valid constraints on moving, but not on finding. It is necessary to find a free place before you can figure out how to live there. If you really can't live there all the time, the free place can become a new part-time home. I started out my move with part-time stays until I realized that I was willing to make the move happen. That I was unwilling to keep returning to someplace that suffocated me.

But it is striking that you have already decided that there is no alternative to your own unfree life, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE FREE OPTIONS. Why are Americans convinced that there is no option better than a place that is incredibly expensive, the offers most people few options, that is over taxed and over regulated, and that is full of people who have lost their fight? It would be a lot harder to move back to the US than to stay where I am now, that's for sure.

I question whether you are really doing your "immovables" any favor by modeling the helplessness I hear in your answer.

And average people? Nobody is really average.

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SCA's avatar

Kid, I did that 41 years ago.

Eventually I came back. Because I'd discovered, with all its abysmal flaws, etc. etc. etc., this place was freer than any other I might possibly be able to afford, like ever.

This is a fucked up country, sure. But I have come to value the truly fucked up American character more than I could ever have imagined.

PS: I did get out of a blue state to a highly-libertarian state whose flaws I am managing to live with just fine. My mother had the grace to die at the perfect time, I'll tell ya.

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Elagabalus's avatar

It sounds like it all worked out for you. There are costs to freedom. If you want the government to leave you alone it will probably not do much of anything. It's a trade off. And you have to accept that people in a state of freedom may do things that you don't like and there is not a lot you can do without creating problems for yourself. And you have to take care of yourself.

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Magali's avatar

Can you say what continent? I'm really curious. I'm having the hardest time trying to decide where to move (I have options, speak languages, work from home etc, but seem to be suffering from a paralyzing inability to make that final decision)

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Diana Prince 🦸‍♀️'s avatar

Hungary. Or Poland.

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SCA's avatar

Why do you hate pierogies and dobos tortes? Must we degrade all that is pure in life?

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Wild Bill's avatar

For pierogies, you can always go to Russia or Ukraine.... once they stop shooting.

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SCA's avatar

In the very long ago Before Times, you could just go to the Lower East Side for one and Yorkville for the other.

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SCA's avatar

PS: My ancestors got out. I ain't getting back in. I expect all those cemeteries I was dreaming of paying my respects at before I shuffled off this etc. etc. are in smithereens now...

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Marta Staszak's avatar

Oh, Diana DEFINITELY not Poland and you'll see soon why.

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Renee Marie's avatar

You never count your money, when you’re sitting at the table, they’ll be time for countin, when he dealings done!

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SCA's avatar

Always have a pair of spare laces for them Air Jordans...

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

I've resisted since Day 1.

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Stephenie's avatar

My awakening took longer than yours, though I have had questions throughout. What I didn’t specifically fear in 2020 was them coming for my children. Now, I feel the only way to really keep them safe would be to pretend they didn’t exist at all. The youngest children in this family were all born at home and were completely unknown to the government. As it turns out, our government has “misplaced” over 1500 children as a result of the benefits fraud scandal. It’s a fucking mess. The Ruinerwold father knew more than I did what was going down and now it’s too late. We are trapped.

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Elagabalus's avatar

"In October 2019, a 67-year-old man, Gerrit Jan van Dorsten, and his six adult children were discovered, who had lived for nine years in seclusion in a farm house in Ruinerwold. The father was charged with unlawful deprivation of liberty and harming other people's health. The charges were later dropped due to his poor health." The last sentence is my favorite. But defining "preservinbg liberty" as "deprivation of liberty" is pretty tasty too.

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Stephenie's avatar

Point taken! The father is a complete nutjob, but my point is his thought process makes a certain amount of sense to me now. If we cannot live without a DigiD, are we really free? Are his children freer now that they have one? It’s an interesting question.

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Renee Marie's avatar

STAND STRONG IN GOD! He shall protect your children AND give you strength to fight! THE ARMOR OF GOD!

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Ki's avatar

I didn't know much about that until I watched the series Waco. I was in 9th Grade at the time and believed the media 'dumb crazy Christian cult' narrative.... hooooo boy, there was a whole lot more going on there. Can't imagine the FBI could get away with that now with social media.

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SCA's avatar

Two or more things can be simultaneously true.

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steve's avatar

you can't imagine they would get away with that now after almost the entire world was bamboozled into taking ridiculously harmful and ineffective vaccines for a supposed illness that almost everyone recovers from?

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Katherine's avatar

My father, born 1918, was still alive for Waco. It disturbed him very deeply. He could not accept/process that the government murdered men, women, and children on their own property with full military fire bombing attacks.

I am glad that he passed in 1995, did not witness September 11's attack, and the loss of Americans' rights and the endless wars that followed and are still being developed into WWW lll, much less the bankrupting of the businesses he built, the forced injections, destruction of freedom of speech, etc., that have come with the CovidCon.

He and Mom missed all of it, and for that I am grateful.

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Elagabalus's avatar

Imagine. Imagine.

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Tommy Gavin's avatar

This might be one of the most hard-hitting responses I have ever read on Substack. 100% in agreement...

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SCA's avatar

To repeat myself to the mostest tiresomest extent--how the hell did we get here?

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

A nation of sheep. And pussies.

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RegretLeft's avatar

But Fauci himself says we weren't that in 2017 - what changed in four years? - I am finding it pretty spooky. One of those yearly scares - 2009 maybe - one person at my workplace was scurrying around with little hand sanitizer bottles while everyone else rolled their eyes; 2020 the organization bought 100 gallons of it and it's still everywhere you look ... how did they do that?

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Marta Staszak's avatar

Fear is a great lubricant especially for those devoid of ability to think and, of course, complacency.

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RegretLeft's avatar

yeah - just four years; I think the Rulers were so furious about Trump (and Brexit) that they decided: things have got to change; result? - no more Trump and "the country" (as Fauci touchingly refers to us) absolutely lined up for the deadly vax. What is the next "here"? That is being decided this very week in Davos. (DeSantis? - your ears burning?)

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SCA's avatar

Trump both engendered his own destruction and would have been the enraged object of furious attempts at it even if he hadn't been the absolute garbage human being he is. The merest slightest self-control on his part would have, for example, kept Barr his defender unto death, so to speak. But Trump both picked the worst people and kept the worst of those he inherited. Some of his instincts were great but he could never stop shitting on his own shoes.

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God Bless America's avatar

Bingo… I don’t trust any of them anymore… How the heck did we get here? 🤦🏽‍♀️

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Lori's avatar

MAY ALL THAT ATTEND DAVOS HAVE THEIR FLESH ROT OFF THEIR BODIES AND BE TARRED AND QUARTERED, THE FOUL DUST THAT THEY ARE.

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RegretLeft's avatar

He is not; Governors of Maryland and Indiana are. I was speculating that he - and the challenge he poses - will be discussed; as I assume Trump will be as well. In general (I assume) various options for Nov 2022 and 2024 will be under review.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Lack of personal responsibility?

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Melanie's avatar

I had a conversation with a friend and we were commenting that never in our lives(65 yrs) have we ever talked about survivalist ideas and possibly needing them. Wild shit.

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Dr Linda's avatar

My Son thinks I’m nuts. It’s true but not because I want to survive

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Melanie's avatar

My daughters think I am nuts too. I gave up long ago worrying about what they thought. All of us nuts can hang together.

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Renee Marie's avatar

Amen! I read Gerry Spence’s book over 30+ years ago…Randy Weaver’s lawyer.

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Melanie's avatar

I will have to add this to my reading list.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Sadly and tragically today that seems reasonable. I am staying put in the middle of the country rather than moving to the West Coast to live out my days with my extended family.

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Tommy Gavin's avatar

Stay away from the west coast. The woke ideology has destroyed what was once amazing, and I sadly think it’s beyond repair. Too many people here keep voting the same.

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Renee Marie's avatar

Voting makes no difference.

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Tommy Gavin's avatar

I agree with what you are saying, but my point about here in California is that the sheep keep voting for the same people! It's amazing that most just fall in line and comply. I don't understand. This place has gone to shit, across the board. We are taxed on our taxes, homeless are everywhere. There could be a 100% legit vote, and nothing would change because these idiots think some utopia exists via taxation and socialism, so they won't change. I am 3 years away from leaving and NEVER COMING BACK TO THIS NONSENSE.

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Renee Marie's avatar

I LOVE your profile pic! AWESOME!

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Dr Linda's avatar

I know, I am resigned. Tough times tough choices

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Dani Richards's avatar

For the past few years, I have watched in horror as each one of my loved ones has marched themselves right over the cliff, all the while telling me to "stop watching Fox news" (I don't watch TV anyway) or that I've been deceived by "Russian propaganda."

I am so unspeakably angry at the needless destruction of our lives and relationships.

I've known this is bs the entire time, and I'm not an expert, I have no credentials, I simply have an inquisitive mind and desire to know the truth. The deception being deployed on the innocent population is the darkest of evil acts.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Darkest of EVIL acts. I feel just like you. No credentials; just common sense and eyes to see and ears to hear.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Ryan, today common sense is a credential

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yeah it's like some Super Power...like NIGHT HEARING...or FEELING WATER?...:)

I made sport of it for the first few months until it got "unhealthy". I'll never understand it.

Eye opener, right?!

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rondo's avatar

“I can’t believe it’s monkey-pox season already and I haven’t even taken my Ukrainian decorations down.” Robin Monotti

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Rondo - Ukrainian flags and hand sanitizer are the only two products that have "beaten" inflation. Buy one and get 3 free.

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GeriGR's avatar

I think my family will dress up as characters from The Planet of the Apes for Halloween this year.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

That's RACIST

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Dr Linda's avatar

Whoops

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Madmardegon's avatar

Sorry...disagree completely on the boldface type. Read Dissolving Illusions by Susan Humphries, there were many doctors and much evidence stating that the smallpox vaccine was extremely dangerous. Stop comparing a disease of 100 years ago to now and giving credit to the shot for stopping it. Read the book, learn the history, read about the city of Leicester and the Leicester Method that got rid of smallpox in their city without the shot.

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el gato malo's avatar

compared to covid vaccines, no, it's not.

not even remotely so.

deaths were in the 1-2 per million inoculated.

it killed 68 people in the US in the 9 years leading up to 1968

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/353655

covid vaxxes are more like 1 death per 15,000 and that's before we add in the VAERS undercounting.

they have killed over 12,000 in the US already (also before VAERS undercounting, the real number is likely 10X that)

nor did SPV cause long term effects or heighten cancer risk.

yes, by the standards of other vaccines, SPV was dangerous, but it also stopped a VERY dangerous disease so the risk reward was there.

but it's not even in a league with how dangerous the covid vaccines are. they're 100-1000X the risk of SPV to treat a disease that's so much less severe as to also be incomparable.

i think you're misunderstanding what i wrote.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

You missed his point. SPV was largely useless in stopping smallpox, but it was also mostly harmless (your point). Killing 7 people per year leading up to 1968 is a blip, like the blip on my left arm from the thing. What killed off most infectious disease in the West were civil engineers building clean drinking water systems, lowering the constant insults to the immune system from bad water, so that diseases that were deadly under load became much less so. The graphs in Dissolving Illusions are almost as good as those generated by a clever feline.

If the Covid vaxxes were useless (which, at this point, would be an improvement in performance for them) but harmless, I'd take them to avoid some of the repercussions that have affected my life. I'm trying to get good data on SinoVax's harm levels; I know that's useless but if it's 1 in 10,000,000 killed then the risk might be worth it.

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J Boss's avatar

No, it is not worth it! Do you really read all this and still believe compliance here will be the end of it?

Go along and it keeps increasing loss of freedom. End of story.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

Yeah, well, I'd have to travel to Mexico to do it. I had thought about going to Mexico, paying an MD to squirt that poison into the trash, and getting my "proof." I wound up glad I didn't do that after the same employer who asked for me to be jabbed later asked for jabbed people to boost.

But being on a constant war footing is exhausting. I wish I were antifragile, and was able to feed off the conflict. I'm getting really tired.

It's probably easier to just move to a place like Florida and let the vaxx police run their vaxx police states.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Tom - I can tell you that you will do much better in Florida...and make more money. My wife and I escaped KC in late April of 2020. We ended up on Tampa, which has become sort of the Team Reality head quarters. It was the best decision of our lives. Just my two cents. I think things are just going to get "suckier" based on your situation. Just my two cents. Stay STRONG!

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Puffin's avatar

I'm so envious that you have the possibility to move to Florida. You are very lucky to have De Santis. Over here in Europe we are stuffed 😪😪😪

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Man that sucks. I have vacationed twice in the UK in the mid 90's and then again in 2009. They ruined the country with too much immigration and progressive nonsense.

Such a shame for such proud people. They didn't even honor the spirit of Brexit. The power centers do not respect the will of the people. We are starting to see that in the US. That said Florida is truly FREE! You would love it here. Maybe someday...

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Demonhype's avatar

I have to agree here. Its become clear they are trying to create more precedent to override personal bodily autonomy and informed consent, and compliance with a seemingly innocuous violation just helps them normalize such violations and enables them to expand it to worse ones.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Well put, that was my understanding as well.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

You have my email. I'd be happy to send you my notes on Dissolving Illusions. It was written in 2914, but you can quickly see that the Covid playbook is not new. Drop me a line and I'll send you some scans. The book is hard to obtain from libraries.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

that book is a must read

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CMCM's avatar

I got this book from Amazon quite recently...can't remember if I bought it new or used. But easy to get.

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SCA's avatar

I think most people reading your Substack have never met people with smallpox scars disfiguring their faces.

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

The smallpox vaccine didn't do anything. They were vaccinating for decades and people still died from it. They got better sanitation and suddenly smallpox started going away. What a concept.

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Madmardegon's avatar

Agreed. Such as the story of Leicester. I also take issue with comparing this disease to us now. Not that it wasn't dangerous then, but people were bathing and washing their clothes in shit water and kids were playing in streets filled with feces.

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Janet's avatar

Fascinating and eye opening book. I checked it out of my library system in 2021. Recently I tried again. The single copy out of 150 libraries has now disappeared from the system. 🤔.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

still available for sale, I bought it some months ago on Amazon

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Nutcracker's avatar

It’s available on Kindle Unlimited

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NAB's avatar

I tried our library system just to see, but no such luck. I am going to have to get my hands on this book now.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I'm lost. Is this the book you guys are talking about: "Dissolving Illusions by Susan Humphries". sorry just interested in reading it

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I bought it last year and am very glad I did. It is very informative, from an experience doctor who found out from her own patients that jabs caused them to get sicker. She paid a dear price for her honesty and research, being scolded by her colleagues etc.

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Janet's avatar

Yes. I may purchase it myself. Very important book.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Cool. Thx for responding

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SaHiB's avatar

Don't know as variola and vaccinia inoculations even be remotely comparable, but are routinely conflated.

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Evil Harry's avatar

Which text were you reading? I saw nothing in the bold text that contradicted your own stance.

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Madmardegon's avatar

My apologies Evil Harry, thank you for pointing that out. As I first read it, I took that to be gato's thoughts, after you pointed it out I reread and realize that was Fauci's points.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

Do not delay. I needed to buy a copy off of Amazon. They simply cannot allow it to sell any more copies.

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Dr. Snide's avatar

Well I guess he didn't own stock in the small pox vaccine manufacturer .......

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Wild Bill's avatar

Anyway it was off-patent and thus "out of the money..."

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Sophia's avatar

Excellent point.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

He was guided by political science, not actual science. When you look at his words in that context, they make PERFECT sense.

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Rob D's avatar

I've often said that as soon as the "pandemic" became political (which was almost immediately after it was announced), it confirmed what I already knew... That grabbing power, control of the people, teaching compliance, and money for monsters were/are the true disease that needed/need to be cured.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Well said. Yes, we are the "curve"...and we are meant to be flattened...

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Fauci "identifies" as THE Science. Scientific method 2.0...don't you know? Medical canon schmanon'. I'm just hoping we get to have Christmas this year!...

I still think the "real" scientific method will expose him as a fraud - bordering on evil.

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Dr Linda's avatar

There is merit in being hopeful.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I am hopeful. In the end the "globalist" and "experts" will lose. It's just a matter of; at what cost?

This nonsense is not over and I truly believe all of us here need to continue to be change agents.

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Martha72's avatar

BORDERING on evil???

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

My apologies Martha. Correction: Abhorrent EVIL!!!

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Flowerchild's avatar

Based on what Dr. Fauci said in this clip, I have couple of food for thought questions...

1) If people take the 3 cov shots which destroys their immune system, what happens when they take the pox shot?

2) If adults and kids now have heart damage because of the cov shot, what happens when they take the pox shot?

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Or the 27 the kids already receive...

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Duchess's avatar

Try over 60

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

is that what is? serious question

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Kat Bro's avatar

74 by 5yrs old

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I can't believe I did that to my kids.

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Kat Bro's avatar

That is the current schedule. Not sure how old your kids are but maybe they’ve had less. I will say a lot of my own cognitive issues I can now point to probable vaccine injuries. With all of this coming out I think a lot of ppl are going to reconsider vaccines for any family or pet. They’ve destroyed all of us to make us pharmaceutical dependents. It’s very vey sad and I can’t believe such evil exists and always has.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Pisses me off. I'm almost 3/4's through RFK's book. Fills me with such a heavy heart

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Martha72's avatar

Flowerchild - "1) If people take the 3 cov shots which destroys their immune system, what happens when they take the pox shot?" OMG. I had not thought of that, but I bet THEY did. I just checked at the CDC website, because I couldn't remember - I thought that the smallpox vaccine was a live virus vaccine. It is. "The vaccine is made from a virus called vaccinia, which is a poxvirus similar to smallpox, but less harmful. The smallpox vaccine contains live vaccinia virus, not a killed or weakened virus like many other vaccines." So, it is a live virus, NOT the actual smallpox virus, but not weakened or killed virus either - and now, so many people have had their immune systems destroyed. If I had had the shots, I would NOT be taking any live-virus vaccines - because, how bad would it be / could it be? We don't know. I would not want to be the one to try it and find out. On the one hand, if the immune system is wrecked, then you get some other vaccine and maybe you can't gain the immunity you hoped for because your immune system doesn't work any more - but - if it is a live virus, and your immue system is not working as it should, then the virus can hit you harder than it otherwise would have - scary thought. Many people just don't know this, but remember those "sugar cube" polio vaccines - they were live virus but weakened virus - every year, some people died of that vaccine from the "weakened" virus killing them. A baby gets the vaccine, and grandma, who is immunosuppressed, visits with baby, gets the virus, gets polio because her immune system can't fight off the "weakened" polio. After decades of saying how cool that live virus polio was, because even people who didn't take the vaccine still got it anyway, we get "herd immunity" and all that - after decades of saying how cool it was, they finally gave it up and went back to the original killed-virus vaccine which is much safer. But now, if more people are immunosuppressed from these recent/current pharma products, future vaccines could be much more risky for many people. This has all been planned so carefully - I think they knew. Vaccines that rely on dead viruses may not work as well, though perhaps no harm, just won't help if your immune system won't respond, but vaccines that rely on live viruses, could lead to some real horrors.

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shibumi's avatar

And now... at Davos, listen to Klaus Schwab:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1528682505217490950?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

They are building the future. We are not needed. So they're getting rid of the most problematic group-- white Christians. And many are still blind to what is happening.

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Duchess's avatar

Because white Christians are the only ones with guns.

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shibumi's avatar

Winner winner chicken dinner.

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shibumi's avatar

I think the answer is the same for both questions: they will need a lot more $$$$$ big pharma meds.

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Flowerchild's avatar

In the clip, Dr. Fauci says that the smallpox vaccine given to immuno suppressed people “ it could be deadly”. and there are instances of miocardidis.....but from here on I’m sure it will always be safe and effective.

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Ki's avatar

Add this to the heap of evidence for the fraud class action suit People vs. Fauci. Wait... that'd be a lawsuit if this country still prosecuted the bad guys.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Bring in Mueller and the 13 angry democrat lawyers. Case will be unsolved, for a cool $40mil.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Ouch. It's almost unbearable looking at just one picture of that gnome. Thanks for ruining my black panther party

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Epaminondas's avatar

There's no contradiction here. Fauci's decision making is entirely consistent. There's the public health risk/reward, and there's his own risk/reward. The key insight is to realize that for Fauci (and the vast majority of other high level bureaucrats), the latter takes precedence over the former. That's how they become and remain high level bureaucrats. This is why he's useless for public health, because, when push comes to shove, he'll make decisions based on politics, not on data. There's no way Fauci would ever stand up for a politically unpopular, but correct decision, per the whole masking fiasco.

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Mark Oshinskie's avatar

I picketed outside his speech at Princeton today. Many people thanked me for doing so. Others made comments at safe distance and scurried away.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Good for you Mark! Let them scurry back to their safe spaces.

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Carol Anne's avatar

Thank you kind sir.

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Brian's avatar

2017 was before the check cleared.

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Nostradamus's avatar

Today, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the

Nobel Human Stupidity Prize for 2021 to the Real Anthony Fauci

for his excellent Covid-19 Plandemic Leadership.

Faucian C-19 Allergic and Infectious Dogmas (Faucistan Kaganate)

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 Natural Immunity doesn’t matter! O no, sometimes it does - It depends on the audience.

 SARS-Cov-2 originated from a bat zoonotic jump. Cannot come from a lab.

 Read my lips – I never funded gain-of-function research.

 The virus fears locked down individuals!

 A 25µm mask can stop 1µm viruses!

 2 x 25µm masks are better!

 3 x 25µm masks are best!

 No, use KN95 instead!

 Your mask protects me and vice versa ... WE'RE ALL IN TOGETHER!

 SARS-Cov-2 visits bars only after 10PM – curfew is needed!

 Asymptomatic transmission has been proven!

 Early treatments don’t work – wait for quackcines..

 The virus knows that 6 feet is a no go zone!

 A glass fence between cubes at the work place prevents the virus from circulating!

 Leaky quackcines can be used to control a scamdemic – Immunology 101!

 Quackcines are Safe and Effective… Repeat this mantra 24/7 and they’ll work for you!

 All experts agree that the Quackcines are Safe and Effective!

 The Quackcines will stop the spread of the virus…

 Quackcinating 70% of the population will guaranty herd immunity….

 Antibodies in the blood stream can stop infection in your airways – Follow the Science!

 Booster shots targeting a virus that disappeared in early 2021 can shoot dead Omicron in 2022!

 Using the same booster every quarter will control all future variants…

 Original Antigenic Sin (OAS) is nonsense!

 I did not patent SARS-CoV-2 gp120 HIV insertion - Your cancer-killing T cells are safe…

 Remdesivir is Safe and Effective (only ~25% death rate). It’s more effective than AZT…

 I am always right. I am the infallible Prophet of Science!

 Cognitive Dissonance is Appreciated by NIAID

Source: NIAID (Novel Inquisition for Allergic and Infectious Dogmas)

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Renee Marie's avatar

Good job! I concur!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

The virus can not be spread human to human

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Cindi's avatar

I just can’t stand to listen to that SOB so thx for doing it for me!

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Thinking for Myself's avatar

What happened to Fauci between 2017 and today, it's like a different person.

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SCA's avatar

It's the same person. It's building a persona based on sounding like the font of erudition when you're just a sewage outlet pipe.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

The last two-plus years has forced me to be much more nuanced about a lot of events where I had simply accepted the popular narrative such as Ruby Ridge, Waco, Ted Kaczynski, even Jonestown. It's never as simple as it seems.

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SCA's avatar

It's when we try to put every "looks like" into the same library catalogue decimal number (see how old I am?) that we get into real trouble.

Also, some people really are both batshit crazy and genuinely evil, which does not preclude them making some genuinely insightful analyses about the world, and power structures, and the forces aligned against any attempt to discern truth.

It's always bad to hurt people. Sometimes, unfortunately, it's necessary to neutralize bad people. The problem is always who makes the determination and what justifies giving them any power.

Many things in life, in the larger scale, are not solvable. One must fortify oneself to accept some dreadful losses in the service of protecting real liberty of the individual.

For example, and this is something that causes me real grief on a daily basis: the number of parents torturing and killing their children. A new horror reported every day.

But it's an equal horror of a different sort to give the state overwhelming power to come in and seize your children based on the reporting of civil servants tasked to judge your fitness on a scale of their own devising. And they, themselves, cannot guarantee any true safe harbor for those kids.

Life. It's brutal. Always will be.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

sewage outlet pipe. lol

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Duchess's avatar

OmG remind me never to piss you off...Ouch

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SCA's avatar

I consider myself disciplined enough to cast my ire only where it is justifiably flame-shot...

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jo jergensin's avatar

$$$$$$ and a special place at the podium every day in 2020 is my guess.

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Ruth H's avatar

Nah, he’s been evil since 1986. Read ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’ and see what an arrogant egotistical bastard he is.

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CK's avatar

He was slime in 2017 too. He was slime in the 80’s with AIDS and his killing people with AZT. Like any good sociopath he knows when to turn on the “charm”.

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DashRiprock's avatar

Trump wasn’t up for re-election in 2017 is the biggest difference in my mind.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

at all cost right?

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DashRiprock's avatar

They said it enough times: By Any Means Necessary.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Even if it just saves one life...just put your damn mask on!

FOOLS.

These people can not get the concept of "net" negative/positive outcomes...let alone unintended consequences.

Prone Bovines

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

To be fair, he was as much a defect thirty years ago. He's just "nudging" us, little by little.

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Kessler's avatar

Bill Gates and greed.

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The Great Santini's avatar

Follow the money! The smallpox vaccine makers didn’t pay him enough.

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Rob D's avatar

And mine as well. I love life, but I love having control of my own body and the freedom to live or die on my terms even more. Anyone who still thinks these monsters care about us and our health at this point are truly delusional.

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Kasha's avatar

What a douche.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Any comment with the word douche is worth a "like" and a response.

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I am not your Other's avatar

Fa-douche-eh

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Keven Mosley-Koehler's avatar

I am so so sick of these lying pigs who have and will kill millions of human beings with nary a care in the world, then destroy the country and possibly world as well. They will burn in hell forever cuz Jesus always wins

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God Bless America's avatar

And the church says, “AMEN!” Sometimes I wonder what Noah thought in his day… 🤦🏽‍♀️🙏🏽

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Tina's avatar

They purged, to a big extent, the doctors who wouldn’t take it. That’s not what anyone should want to see.

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Ruth H's avatar

Fauci must not have had any hidden royalties tied to other treatments or to smallpox vaccine to actually admit the truth about it. His horrible 30 years of drugs and abysmal trials oversees targeting Africans or orphanages here trying to find a cure for AIDS proves he has no soul. To have him speak the truth for once doesn’t excuse his ongoing reign of terror.

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Ruth H's avatar

Indeed. Of course ‘secret’ because it should be illegal and also shows he’s conflicted. Those millions are based on drugs found with tax payer grants, even tho the little tyrant thinks it’s his personal piggy bank to dole out to his PIs and cronies. 🤬🤬

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

It's so hard for normal people to comprehend that there are evil people. We try to rationalize it. I'm almost done with RFK's book. It has been a real eye opener for me. I have fought this nonsense for over two years. But I didn't realize how depraved this man is.

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Ruth H's avatar

Yes, his book is a real eye opener. I knew Fauci was a fraud but after reading about decades of his abuse, I can’t even look at his pic. Reading about the drug trials on children, mostly black, with no one to speak on their behalf, made me feel ill and cry. I had to take a break from reading; I was getting so angry about his abuse. He is a tyrant and evil.

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Jim Reagen's avatar

But see, the difference today is that the Covid-19 vaccines are all "perfectly safe."

Is that an ontological reality? Are there actually perfectly safe Covid-19 vaccines out there? Of course not, despite that the news and Fauci and the CDC continually tell us there are these realities out there, these perfectly safe vaccines.

Just like "the vaccines will lead us to herd immunity and then we can (wipe a tear away, so emotional are we at the thought) go back to normal. We're pretty much back to normal but cases and deaths from Covid-19 are as high as anytime before the vaccines. So the vaccines did ... nothing helpful. We can see this plain as day.

At some point the public has got to wake up and say, "wait just a cotton-pickin' minute." Unless, of course, the deadly monkeypox kills us all off first.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Correct. There are no arguments they have left that exist in reality. I wouldn't count on the sheople saying "wait just a cotton-pickin' minute". They've been "pickin' daisies" for over 2 years. It's on us Jim.

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Jim Reagen's avatar

Logic is innate in us. We use it every single day. In the public realm, through various tactics we've been taught to abandon reason (IMHO, that's partly what CRT is about.) But, my contention is that this only works so far and that people will eventually say, "wait a cotton-pickin' minute." But yes, it is on us to help this process along, and if it doesn't happen, we're doomed. There are too few of us. So, let's do our best to help people see.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

You are a wise man. Good to be on the same team as you

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Jim Marlowe's avatar

Cannot bear to watch or listen to him but appreciate those with the intestinal fortitude to do it.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

What makes me furious is all the damage done to the children...for NO reason. This man, and many others, should be openly shamed.

Do any of them remember what it was like to be 9, or 19...or 29 for that matter. Utter selfishness.

To desecrate the little ones is depraved evil imo.

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Stephenie's avatar

My favorite part is the wistful laughter when he says they’ll never get everyone to accept it. Because you can tell in all his clips that’s what he would dearly love. At a certain point “following the money” is just not a satisfactory explanation. Then the conspiracy theories start looking mighty interesting....

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Wesley Hoyle's avatar

A decrepit quisling named The Science, who was a pupil of science until he turned to tyranny, helped the biosecurity regime hunt down and destroy the reasonable discourse. He betrayed and murdered Tony Fauci.

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Kevin's avatar

Darth Science

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Max Stirner's avatar

well, this is from the time people still had balls and did not just bend over.

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François Booraem's avatar

someone asked me today if I'd get the monkeyjab because the fatality rate is whatever; I laughed and told them about the time I got bitten by a rabies plagued bat in my early 20s and never bothered getting the post exposure vaccine for that with a fatality rate of 100%. Gelassenheit some just don't get (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh-yFXbe2UA)

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God Bless America's avatar

Interesting… 🤔🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽☺️

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Possum's avatar

They have just done the genome sequence on this monkey pox using Blast. Dodgy spike protein (with furin cleavage site) etc, again. mejbcart’s Newsletter Substack

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

These people are so awful, they've ruined the word cleavage. Travesty

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AM Schimberg's avatar

I just can't understand what happened with these ”vaccines.” Doesn't make a lick of sense outside of malicious intent and coordinated effort.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

It's the "data-crime" that obfuscates the actual crime.

Look at the data-deck for the Phizer and/or Moderna trials. It is unspeakable.

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The Aging Viking's avatar

He should be Tarred ann Feathered and run out of medicine. He has made America one of the highest death rate Nations in the World.

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Renee Marie's avatar

I have my sins to deal with, but I definitely wouldn’t want to trade places with Fauci on a deathbed.

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TMartini67's avatar

OR be standing next to him in a lightning storm..

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Don't do that to me Martini. Soda right through my nose

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TMartini67's avatar

😂😂🐵

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Renee - he's at least one floor below me. Maybe two below you?...:}

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Renee Marie's avatar

I’ve prayed on my knees for God’s precious forgiveness in humbleness. God forgives all…we’re just used to man. It is US that carry the sins on our backs…God The Father loves us and forgives all those who ask for forgiveness. Maybe we don’t love ourselves.

“Love God your Father with all your heart and soul. And love your neighbor as YOURSELF.” …Jesus Christ

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Amen and many likes!

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Just a person's avatar

Haven't looked this up but my first guess is: there isn't big $ to be made in this small pox vaccine

Once you think of these entities as for profit enterprises with (normally) no (or very little) legal recourse it can wakeup people.

But the branding and packaging and positioning of the FDA and CDC is "we are the moral guided and intellectual standard"

Monopolies are almost always bad.

Note: I'm not saying for profit is bad. But when there is no competition and a monopoly is backed by guns...like, you know, the gummit...well let's see how evil it gets.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

The cognitive dissonance at CBS News is a thing of wonder. Last night, on 60 minutes, they talked about shortages of common generic drugs. They said explicitly that there's not much profit to the manufacturer in making these, which is why they're not in the supply chain(also, most of the profit goes to the middlemen, not the manufacturer or hospitals using the drugs).

Now, if they'd apply that thought about profit-seeking, and combine it with no liability under EUA, they might get somewhere on a motivation.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I saw that Tom. Such an easy connection. It was like watching sesame street as an adult. They're "puppets" looking for cheers from their audience.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

"it’s a one and done vaccine. you get the shot and you generate lifelong sterilizing immunity. you won’t get smallpox or spread it."

You might want to investigate the last smallpox outbreak in Europe, in Yugoslavia in the 1970s. You'll find something very interesting: despite universal smallpox vaccination (Communist dictators like that sort of thing), there was an outbreak amongst the people, most of whom had been vaccinated. What controlled the outbreak was the sort of contact tracing that eventually killed smallpox in the wild: it has to pass from person to person, and if you quarantine the sick persons with people who've recovered from smallpox caring for them (there were a lot of them in the 70s; now I'd guess it's just the people who got smallpox in the 70s), smallpox cannot pass on to new people.

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Esther RB's avatar

He was wrong, the country (and most of the world) would have accepted being vaccinated.. and being locked, masked, censored, etc..

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

they voluntarily gave over to bondage. The devil himself couldn't have devised a more diabolical "trick-box".

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The Green Hornet's avatar

Toby baby is a sociopath in the true Mengele tradition.

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Tanja Boness's avatar

It's got that "what do I care about my 2017 blather!" feel.

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steve's avatar

the difference in the 2017 fauci and the 2021 fauci...

...who holds the patents and receives compensation for those patents

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Lysander Spoonbread's avatar

I only got through the 1st Chapter of RFK's book to realize we were dealing with a bonafide sociopath. CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

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Possum's avatar

Read mejbcart’s Newsletter Substack. Genome sequence of this monkey pox just out. Spike protein again complete with furin cleavage site.

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Lori's avatar

I would have normally responded Unbelievable but that word since 2020 has long left my vocabulary. Sick shit, I hate all these motherfuckers and hope they burn.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Well he got no royalty revenue from the smallpox vaccine, no reason to push it out. What's good for Dr Fauci must be goof for us, right? Even better when he can force that revenue stream by edict.

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Lori's avatar

FAUCI IS A DICK. HE IS ANOTHER ONE WHOSE DNA NEEDS TO BE GONE FROM THIS EARTH.

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God Bless America's avatar

Aren’t they using the PCR test again for this as well? Sometimes I just want to say duhhhhhhhhh… 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑

(I love this emoji… it says so much…)

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

The original smallpox vaccines were pretty damn harmful. They never eradicated smallpox by the way. They just renamed it. Lots of fraud in this industry.

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God Bless America's avatar

Renamed it? 🤔

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R!CKYRANTS's avatar

Many a pox. Same disease.

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God Bless America's avatar

I had a case of chickenpox when I was 26 years old several years ago… Well maybe more than several years ago, but I digress, anyway it was one of the worst illnesses I’ve ever had. Smallpox cousin? Hmmm….

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Irena's avatar

Oh, so you're trying to tell me that Tony is not a moron, but merely a scheming, politicking sleazebag? Yeah, I suppose that sounds about right.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Noble lying Gnome?...

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Enlightened Archivist's avatar

If you have read RFK Jr, you understand that while Fauci acknowledged risk/reward in 2017, he was always a vaccine fanatic and longed to impose global vaccine regimens.

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Ivan's avatar

The difference is that there's no smallpox epidemic anywhere. If there was, the risk/reward would be drastically different.

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Helen's avatar

el gato, you should read Dissolving Illusions by Humphries and Bystrianyk - then you not so sure about smallpox vaccine....

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NAB's avatar

Dear G-d, how much money did he get or what do they have on him?

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

What a difference a couple million dollars makes.

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finnbuck's avatar

Coupla billion prob.

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Anna T's avatar

And The Fauch isn't even quoted in this article from 2002, how curious if he's been an "expert" all these years.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-most-dangerous-vaccine/

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Blair Gilmore's avatar

Not sure about complete sterilizing immunity as my first shot would have been about 1970 & I had a second with the CAF in 1986. The Forces were one of the last organizations in the world still giving smallpox shots. I got the usual scar from the baby shot but I also had a reaction and scar, albeit smaller, from the second shot. Maybe not a bad idea to keep an eye on the 'poxes', Nature does have a tendency to come roaring back when we least expect her to.

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TexBat's avatar

That “one and done” is in the vaxtard playbook. It’s a false promise

Then when the vaccine inevitably fails they can sell you more

What other product sells precisely because it doesn’t work

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Blair Gilmore's avatar

What are you talking about? Point out to me a major outbreak of smallpox in the last 50 years! That particular vaccine has done extremely well. Even if they need to do a round of boosters because of monkeypox does not mean they're invalidating the fact that smallpox got eradicated more or less. Not a great business model if your first shot lasts 50 yrs.

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TexBat's avatar

Ok knock yourself out

Is “eradicated more or less” kinda like being “a little bit pregnant”

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JustANobody's avatar

WakeUpMirror has a good documentary on this and explains it all. Posted on Odyssey May 20th 2022. According to this, it was eradicated after war and advances in sanitation, food , shelter and water. I watched with an open mind. So much to consider.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Yugoslav_smallpox_outbreak

Exactly 50 years ago, in Europe. In a population where vaccination was mandatory, enforced by Communist dictators.

"By 1972 the disease was considered to be eradicated in Europe. The population of Yugoslavia had been regularly vaccinated for 50 years, and the last case was reported in 1930. "

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Blair Gilmore's avatar

So 42 yrs after the start of smallpox vaccination a small section of Yugoslavia gets a virulent strain due to a traveller catching it in an exotic locale. Quickly contained & the last smallpox is seen in Europe. So what's your point, vaccines don't work? Big Pharma is trying to get rich off smallpox vaccines/vaccines in general? It's not prudent for gov'ts to be prepared just in case? Smallpox eradication was a victory around the world & at a bargain price of $300M.

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Thomas Schmidt's avatar

The point is, if the smallpox vaccine were "sterilizing" as El Gato wrote, then people who were vaccinated with it would not have come down with smallpox. You can read the history of that outbreak and discover that the government doubled down on vaccination; what brought the outbreak to an end was careful contact tracing and quarantine of the sick.

Smallpox was a great victory, as you note. The glory of it has been stolen by vaccine advocates. If you'd like, I'll send you my scanned pages from Dissolving Illusions. Perhaps as a graduate of an engineering school I'm just prone to this sort of thing, but what ended the severity of childhood diseases more than anything was civil engineering supplying clean water, and social engineering cracking down on fraudulent food sellers.

What do you farm?

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JustANobody's avatar

Same here. I still have my scare. Hubby too.

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finnbuck's avatar

So ... what changed between 2017 and 2021? Intensive propaganda, non liability, obfuscation to the extreme, some mandates and threats, and a vaccine that's SAFE this time?

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Carol Anne's avatar

I just watched the video. “ Dirty rotten f*cker” was the first thing that came to my mind. What a travesty this has been……

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Karen Watson's avatar

Brilliant analogy.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I suffer from that affliction as well. It’s hard to over come.

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Rosemary B's avatar

All of these crazy people need to find their own country, The planet has plenty of space.

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Casey Preston's avatar

What are the chances that Pfizer is currently fast tracking a monkey pox mRNA vaccine?

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Birdingmom's avatar

Oh my gosh, I hate watching that man talk about anything. The link to his website...are you kidding me?! Watching the entire interview?! No.

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Ed Powell's avatar

So does a smallpox vaccine give lifelong sterilizing immunity? Because I got one as a kid, though I have heard that boosters are required for it and I haven't had any of those.

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Charlotte Z's avatar

People will sell their souls for filthy lucre.

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M. Dowrick's avatar

Funny how things change in four years. But when we are dealing with a serial flip flopper, it is not surprising.

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Ddoc's avatar

So I truly feel these people are criminals. What can we do about it?

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Luc's avatar

Must have been when he actually had a soul and before the money REALLY started rolling in!!

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Bigs's avatar

Are you sure it was 2017? On Twitter someone said 2009, and I pointed out that on the image they were showing it says 2003..?

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Dani Richards's avatar

SO frustrating. No jabs here, and only the sniffles at Christmas time, when my triple-jabbed (at the time.... now it's quadruple) relatives all caught COVID (or tested positive, whatever that means, while being mildly-moderately sick). That's all I've ever had throughout this entire time, and I live in a highly-populated area. If I were going to catch it (badly), surely I would have done so already. I'm not a young person. I mean, I'm in the age group where everyone fusses and worries about OMG we're going to kill you with our germs, be VERY afraid; mask and jab yourself to be on the safe side.

Meanwhile, those jabbed loved ones? One died suddenly with a heart attack (otherwise a healthy individual); one is undergoing massive medical testing with cancer fears; two have major, sudden-onset cognitive issues; and others have a miscellany of physical complaints.

I'm still standing.

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Ki's avatar

Same here. And I've heard this over and over and over with everyone's friends and family. Two distinct groups: ultra jabbed and sick with The Thing constantly on top of aggressive and new medical woes. The unjabbed group: life as normal.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Last week my dad told me he was going to get the fourth shot, because he has not had it. Well he is having a cold for the fifth week now... I have not said, that I did not have it either, and I have not been jabbed.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Any time anyone had the lack of sense to tell me that they were boosted my response: I am sorry, I’ll mourn for you.

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SaHiB's avatar

When did 5-week "colds" become common? Allergies, perhaps...

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Dani Richards's avatar

Yes. My jabbed loved ones all say they have the long COVID.

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shibumi's avatar

long C0VID= jab side effects

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Dani Richards's avatar

that is what I want to think, too. I'm not sure that's the case, though.... is there anyone who has caught COVID (perhaps early on when it seemed so severe, like "the worst flu ever; I was sick as a dog for a few weeks" which is what I heard people saying.... before there were these shots available) who has these symptoms?

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shibumi's avatar

I think that there are some unvaxxed people that, for whatever reason, can't recover from the original version of C0VID. But I think "long C0VID" is now code for vaxx injuries.

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Skeptical S's avatar

There are people who do genuinely seem to have long Covid symptoms. My mom being one of them—though she was incredibly sick in the hospital and has never been vaxxed. She said her doctor told her most long Covid symptoms resolve within 3-6 months and she seemed to improve around 3 months. However, look back through the long Covid articles and note the sudden shift in emphasis on long Covid as well as descriptions around the beginning of this year (especially Feb ‘22). Before it was more general like “brain fog” and “fatigue.” Now it sounds a whole lot more like long Covid is a cover for more serious and enduring vax injuries.

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Dani Richards's avatar

I am wondering if people like your mom (unvaxxed, with long COVID) were denied treatments with such things as ivermectin.... if there is a correlation between receiving treatment with helpful therapeutics and not having long COVID.

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Tom Tunes's avatar

I know of over 30 people who received early treatment with HCQ and/or IVM plus zinc, etc. Only one developed long Covid and that person only received a three day course of IVM/HCQ. That was early. Recommendations are for longer now.

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Tom Tunes's avatar

Undoubtedly a huge number of vaxx injuries will be labeled long Covid by health care providers. The number of people I know who have had probable vaxx injuries is getting so long that I've created a document to keep track.

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Soyelcaminodelfuturo's avatar

Dani, yes. January 2020. I had what I also describe as the worst flu of my life. Lasted about four days. Uncontrollable shivering/shaking, instant alternating hot/cold, too tired to turn over to reach a drink so dehydrated.

No jabs and not so much as a sniffle since. I know so many triple & 4 times jabbed on their third ‘case’ of Covid. Personally I don’t believe it, a positive BS test result probably.

I have been consistently ridiculed for being either stupid or a conspiracy theorist. Or both.

This is not incompetence, it is deliberate. I don’t believe it is simply about money for Big Pharma et al. I truly believe it is eugenics.

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My 30 yr old daughter and her boyfriend both had delta (that was the variant in early October 2021.) They are both unjabbed. My daughter got symptoms first and she was the sickest she's ever been in her life. She's healthy but has bad allergies & her Dr wouldn't prescribe her anything for covid. She lives an hour away from me, but I told her if she developed any breathing issues to call me. She messaged me on the 4th day that her lungs were burning so I went to a farm/feed store and bought 🐴 paste 1.87% ivermectin, plus all my vitamins, etc.. that I had in case I caught it, and took it to her. To make a long story short, she was better within hours of taking a dose of ivermectin, zinc, Azithromycin, D3, claritin & vitamin C. Her high fever broke, lungs stopped burning, headache was almost gone, & she was up walking around. I couldn't believe how fast those meds work. Her boyfriend (who is very high risk) took the Ivermectin as soon as his throat started hurting and had mild symptoms. They both tested positive for covid and had to be off work 14 days. They took ivermectin for 5 days & the vitamin protocols from flccc. They neither one have long haulers or any heart issues. They had fatigue when they were recuperating, but they both were fine after being sick. I honestly believe it has to do with getting early treatment. I think the jabbed ones may have set themselves up for long haulers by damaging their immune systems. Early treatment with ivermectin and/or hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and D3, quercetin, high dose vitamin C, claritin or zyrtec, melatonin, etc..would definitely lessen the chances of long haulers syndrome or heart problems. Bottom line: the unjabbed people I know that got very sick but took early treatments don't have any lingering issues.

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Tom Tunes's avatar

That sounds like a very typical course. IVM really is quite amazing. I know four people with Long Haul. Of those, one was never treated (alpha variant, mild illness, totally disabled because of pulmonary hypertension in previously extremely active, fit 66 yr old woman), two were both vaxxed and did not receive any IVM/HCQ treatment for over a month. Both improved but continuing brain fog, fatigue at this point. The fourth was unvaxxed and did receive early IVM/HCQ treatment of three days duration. Substantially recovered with treatment but developed and still has brain fog and fatigue and some loss of smell. Subsequent HCQ treatment was not particularly helpful. I know another 30, both vaxxed and purebred, who responded to early treatment and are long haul free.

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Ivermectin has definitely helped my boyfriend & my son. They both got vaxxed to keep their jobs last summer & after their 2nd shots, both started having daily headaches, brain fog, fatigue, & breathing problems. They started taking ivermectin 2 times a week in the beginning- plus H1 or H2 antihistamine (claritin, zyrtec or pepcid) D3, NAC, CoQ10, high doses of vitamin C, cod liver oil, magnesium, B-complex. The brain fog, headaches, & breathing problems stopped very quickly. The fatigue took a few weeks. They take one dose a week of ivermectin now. Neither have had covid this whole plandemic. I take ivermectin if I am inside around groups of vaccinated people because I've gotten those same symptoms being around them. Especially someone just vaccinated. This is a bioweapon in my opinion and everyone needs to keep IVM, etc...on hand. This isn't over by a long shot & IVM is safe. We haven't had any problems at all from taking it

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Tom Tunes's avatar

Thanks for that input. I completely agree with your assessment about it being a bioweapon and not being over. We are in a war and most of our population has no clue they are being attacked by a wicked enemy. Can you tell me the per kilogram doses of the IVM your son and husband started taking in the beginning and what they are using for a maintenance dose now? Unvaxxed members of my family are using IVM prophylaxis per the FLCC protocol (.3mg/kg twice a week). So far none of us have had Covid but my wife and I don't have much exposure.

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I know both vaxxed and unvaxxed who have long Covid or suffered from it. Plus one individual who had a mild case of Covid back in spring 2020 and went on to become fully disabled with pulmonary hypertension, presumably because of widespread microclots in her pulmonary artery tree.

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Dani Richards's avatar

It doesn't sound at all like the "vaccine" protects against long COVID.

But I am still wondering if treatment with something like Ivermectin would either prevent long COVID or help someone who has it (whether vaxxed or not).

I am also wondering if unvaxxed can catch whatever mild version of Omicron is out there now, and develop long COVID, if that is still a thing.... or if the dangers were more in the earlier strain(s).

Yeah, it's also personal -- being unvaxxed, I'd like to know my risk level to these possible bioweapons and do what I can to prevent and mitigate. Because prophylactics and early treatments have been so suppressed and discounted, it is anecdotal and hard to know exactly what I should do. I just mean, I'm left feeling like I have to be my own doctor, which is fine. I'll turn to the Frontline Doctors website and others, for advice. But I'm not a doctor, if you know what I mean.

This feels a bit like having to go to a drug dealer to buy a fix. So weird.

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Ivermectin has definitely helped my boyfriend & my 33 yr old son. They got vaccinated last summer to keep their jobs & after the 2nd shot they both got terrible headaches everyday, brain fog, breathing problems & fatigue. They took ivermectin 2 times a week at first--plus an H1 or H2 antihistamine (claritin, pepcid, zyrtec), NAC, D3, high doses of vitamin C, CoQ10, B-complex, cod liver oil, magnesium & probiotics. The headaches, brain fog & breathing problems went away pretty quick. The fatigue took a few weeks. Now they take ivermectin once a week plus the vitamins. They neither one have had covid this whole plandemic. Dr. Urso (flccc Drs) is treating patients that have long haulers or vax injured. His video I linked talks about it. This whole thing is a bioweapon in my opinion. I am unvaccinated and if I'm inside around alot of vaccinated people I get a bad headache & start feeling bad. I take ivermectin for it. I keep it on hand. Early treatment is.the best way to avoid long haulers syndrome I believe...

https://odysee.com/@happyturtle:9/Early-Treatment-for-Acutely-Ill-and-Long-COVID-Treatments:e

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Tom Tunes's avatar

Dani, I know what you mean. I’m a retired MD and it’s been 20 years since I practiced so I was unaware of the profound changes taking places in medicine. As far as I can tell the doctors, with some exceptions, have become merely agents of their employers and are no longer practicing actual medicine but just carrying out dictated policy. From my own experience of treating C19 my approach has changed from shorter treatments with IVM to

longer treatments with higher dosages. There are many reports of possible live virus as well as spike protein from the clotshots remaining in the body for extended periods. So I now recommend treatment with IVM for 30 days after infection. I haven’t seen any good data on Long Haul incidence with the recent mutations. I’m also purebred and I consider my risk of Long Haul to be less than if vaxxed, but I haven’t seen data to support that. It wouldn’t matter as I wouldn’t consider accepting a clotshot. I used HCQ prophylaxis initially but developed an HCQ rash, so now I use IVM. most of what one needs to know for treatment and prophylaxis can be found at Frontline Critical Care Coalition, AAPS, and America’s Frontline Doctors. Try to find a likeminded doctor. They are around. What state do you live in?

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SaHiB's avatar

Not jabbed, had something (Omicron, Delta, perhaps not a coronavirus - Infectious Bronchitis Virus - at all) in January 2022 for nearly a month. Unjabbed friends had it, too. Fever, headache, cough, but no bronchitis as original in March 2020 caused. Did not go away until 3 days after my sister suggested taking 1 gram vitamin C every half hour. (Late, but IVM had done nothing.)

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Rob Landeros's avatar

A simple survey should be done of the vaxxed and the unvaxxed, comparing the two cohorts' general state of health and well-being pre-2020 and now.

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Dr Linda's avatar

“GrassrootsHealth Immune Boost project” has been doing this for quite a while. I have been participating for 2 years

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TMartini67's avatar

There's another group that my daughter and I joined back in September 2021 that is a control group for unvaccinated people. It's free and every month we log in to report any changes in our health. Here's the link if you'd like to check it out..

https://www.vaxcontrolgroup.com/

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Vxi7's avatar

Registered thank you for the info

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Rob Landeros's avatar

That is great and I applaud the project. I hope that their data collection is scientifically and methodologically sound enough to pass peer review when and if papers based on their findings are forthcoming.

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Rob Landeros's avatar

I see that the project stresses vitamin D levels. Although a worthy endeavor, I don't think that is quite what I have suggested.

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Dr Linda's avatar

It is more than vitamin D3. It includes exposure and other things that people are doing. Perhaps You could suggest or find something better. They have been at it for years so have a significant data base.

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TMartini67's avatar

My unvaccinated daughter and I joined this control group last year.

https://www.vaxcontrolgroup.com/

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Betsy Frost's avatar

My experience too. Just had a family gathering this past weekend. The discussion about Covid and post jab effects they are experiencing. One has a clot in her leg, another had massive swelling of a lymph node and a biopsy that was questionable, another major swelling of her arm each time she is jabbed, etc. And some of them have since had Covid after receiving these "highly safe and effective" shots. I don't get it.

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Argos's avatar

Pretty much my story as well.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

"This is how your freedom is taken.

Things get to terrible places one tiny step at a time.

If I encroach you and I'm sophisticated about it, I'm going to encroach two millimeters. I'm going to encroach right to the point where you begin to protest. Then I'm going to stop".

- Jordan Peterson.

Repeat, ad nauseum. Straight out of CIA PSYOP training manual. So easy to see.

The sheople will do it all over again. We must not let our guard down. We have to be leaders in our own community. Zero compliance if they try to bring back NPI's.

As I've mentioned before; a lot of people have "woken" up, but it's up to the 3-5% of us "fighters" to take this the distance. We have to put this abomination behind us. It is like-minded people like us (and on other stacks) that must carry that "cross". We can count on no one else.

Stand up and be counted friends!

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Birdingmom's avatar

One of the best quotes from Jordan.

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Ki's avatar

The Hostage Script. Brilliant!

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Dr Linda's avatar

An episode from “Twilight Zone”. Showing my age

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InfoHog's avatar

How about... (an imaginable) Bart's call to Moe's tavern: "I need to speak R. Scramps" - "Hey guys, anyone know R. Scramps? C'mon, someone *must* know R. Scramps!"

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