the panel of experts assessing boosters for the FDA just voted 16-2 AGAINST recommending booster shots for pfizer. (early reports of 16-3 were incorrect)
given some of the craziness we’ve seen this year (like aduhelm) where the FDA overrode a unanimous panel and approved anyhow, this is not a 100% reason to believe they will not do it (or try to modify it, perhaps for age groups) but given the politicization of this issue and the klieg light glare of attention, they i suspect they have to play it pretty straight.
retiring staffers grueber and krasuse stood very tall here despite being repeatedly told to shut up. this just drives home why they are leaving.
but many others stood up too.
they foregrounded severe safety issues in the public comments.
and this is hard to ignore. thank you jessica, we’ve all been watching this, glad you said it when it mattered.
and note that this is not adjusted for VAERS under-reporting. the real figures could well be 10X this, especially in light of the games being played around reporting.
lots of discussion here:
and already talk of “let’s find something else to approve” here:
but make no mistake, this was a nasty black eye for pfizer. they walked in unprepared with a tiny, 300 person dataset. they tried to get the panel to consider data not in in the trial (this is a wild move). they assumed this was a rubber stamp pushover because everything else has been.
but maybe, just maybe, the FDA is remembering what its job is and maybe the endless public scrutiny and opprobrium heaped on them for doing such haphazard, slapdash, and politicized work is forcing them back onto the straight and narrow.
(and if so, we owe marion grueber and philip krause (retiring director and deputy director respectively of the FDA office of vaccines research and review) a serious debt of grattitude.)
and just maybe we’re going to demand science first and policy second again.
because one thing is manifestly clear: if the FDA approves boosters for 16 and up after that panel, they will blow whatever remains of their credibility to smithereens and lose any remaining tatters of their claim to be “on the side of science” and not of politics.
pfizer got gutted in there and backing them in spite of it would subject the FDA to the same fate.
Pfizer and Pfauci clearly didn't see that coming.
"many others stood tall:" that includes you, sir!! (Thank you)
I have been eagerly reading and responding to your content for some time el gato malo. I want to let you know that I appreciate you and what you do. Best.
Krause and Gruber leaving the FDA plus therir Lancet piece, IMO, was key to this outcome. What a great way to end the week...with a little faith.
Just to clarify, it was 16-2. One speaker got a vote in somehow. It was also funny how Pfizer couldn't sort out their technical problems when they were being scrutinized but got a clear connection for their "sales pitch" right before the vote.
Only thing the bad kitten missed is the additional vote at the end adding in 65+ and those at occupational "High Risk". As far as I can tell, that definition of high risk was left intentionally vague which can then be extrapolated to HCW's, restaurant workers, teachers, students, airlines, taxi drivers, hotels....and on and on.......
So basically they voted against boosters in 16+ resoundingly and then voted for boosters in 16+ for probably 80-95% of the workforce.
Total cop out to save Biden, et al.
Why are talking heads still focusing on age when the data shows that it is comorbidities that are responsible for 94% of the deaths? Consider vaccinating the obese, hypertensive, diabetic, immunosuppressed, or chronic lungers, etc. regardless of age. Optional for >65. Unnecessary for the recovered.
Thank you for keeping track; this is the first place I heard the news. It is also a blow to the people who want to force sub-18-year-olds to vaccinate.
Now, with so much criticism of the boosters based on "equity", they are suddenly getting safety religion. I wouldn't trust these FDA people as far as I can throw them.
Can someone check my facts please:
- No ad com (VRBAC) for orig vax approval, is that right?
- now ad com finally meets for boosters and says r/r not good for < 65 given it does not slow spread & adverse events look high
... if so... why would a rational person not say... "hey let's stop vax of < 65 until we sort this out?"
I know CDC, OSHA, FDA will NOT do this, but wondering what the rational counter argument is? Thanks
Gracias, Gato, pero tenemos que llamar a nuestro departamento de salud de nuestro estado y recordarles que este veneno es peligroso para los niños. Biden planea regalar varios $billones a los estados en los próximos meses para "ayudarlos" con la "pandemia". Mucho 👁
Just wanted to make something clear, this is a CDC panel and the FDA is not bound by their decision which is what happened with Aduhelm.
Hey el gato!! I see your Israeli Deaths per Million chart got used in the FDA public hearing meeting today! Fast forward to the 4h 26m mark in the meeting. Well done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M
viruses are famously resistant to npi's and now vaxxes.
i think the reason there is no cold vaxx and the flu vaxxes are sketchy and short term is bc viruses are very hard to 'pin down.....'
that said the only out from the pandemic is to oust biden......
he is using it to impose a system on the us not compatible with life liberty and happiness, outside his woke domain.
I disagree. Big win for Biden and Pharma. They have found a way to gradually introduce boosters for all without the public getting upset all at once. They switched to playing the long game.
So, I said this on Twitter and I will say it here. Will those two (2) people still get their Pfizer bonuses? (I mean damn!) Secondly, and in some seriousness, does anyone think Biden will not find a way to *still* suggest boosters? My money is on an emergency press conference where he uses the words, "patience wearing thin with the FDA" or something like that. Stay tuned! Get your popcorn ready and use lots of butter!
FDA clarifies there was an extra vote and the tally is actually 16-2 against a Pfizer booster for 16+.
I watched the whole thing. Wow, I am just about at a loss for words. After the Comirnaty 16yrs. and over vote, (16 no 2 yes) then the moderator on fly deciding to have another vote, which might be more palatable for the group (only after they threw around arbitrary age cut off numbers) a second vote quickly was formulated which was for the current product under the EUA. That vote was yes 100% BUT they still fussed around and decided the voted question wasn't inclusive enough... so then they did a poll!!! You can't make this shit up.... so who knows what the fuck the final FDA recommendation will be. What a cluster fuck honestly. These people have no clue, they are just about winging it at this point. Scary really. No one knows what a third shot will do, all those pro mRNA vaxxers are the true ongoing public trial. #CrimesAgainstHumanity #EndMandates #EndMedicalTyranny
If this holds and the FDA doesn't pull an aduhelm, then Grueber and Krause should stay on. We need people with the guts to push back. I was annoyed when they announced retirement because, imo, they hadn't done enough. I stand corrected. May they be the crack in the dam that starts the flood.
THEY DID IT TO GAIN CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WILL DO THE RIGHT THING . BUT THEY WONT IN THE END , UNLESS WE THE PEOPLE FORCE THEM TOO. WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW THEY WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN THE COURT OF THE PEOPLE . AND WE NEED TO WATCH AMD MICROMANAGE EVERYTHING ALL GOVERNEMT AND POLICY MAKERS ARE TRYING TO MANDATE. HEALTH OFFICIALS ARE THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY , AND NEED TO BE WATCHED AND ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE IF THEY WILL HE IN PLACES OF AUTHORITY
Berenson sez Biden will ignore, expect boosters in 2 week to 2 months
The FDA will ignore the advisory panel recommendation, and I think all of us probably know it. The corruption is deep and spreading rapidly.
Mr. FDA, we have Bill Gates on line 1 and Klaus Schwab on line 2.
el gato malo...you need to listen to this...
Wow. Just scrolling through the video there are some really damning testimonies.
See the above from an ER Doctor. The segment immediately prior from an Israeli public health official is also incredible.
But, great work as always - keep it up!
What will PfIsrael do?
Message to the vaxx proselytizers:
this was staged well. Makes it look like they are doing their job. we know that in 2 mos everyone will get boosted. Mandatorily too