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Feb 22, 2022Liked by el gato malo

If you think this about truckers, I've got a vaccine to sell you.

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"communism to force upon you."

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Considering the communists and socialistss in Canada both agreed to vote emergency power act I would completely agree.

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They aren't communists or socialists. At least not according to the accepted definition. What they are is Neoliberal Globalist Fascists. Fascism = merging of state power with corporate power. Also called Corporatism. However corporate power in the Western world is consolidated and subservient to the International Bankster Cartel. That's why all the Mainstream Media, Social Media and big Multinational Corporations in unison all follow the latest narrative and policies.

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One of the funniest things ever is how the anarchists all have the same little nifty uniform...

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The work so hard to look different that they look the same. 🤡

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I refer to them as the Davos party.

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You don't want Bitcoins. You want privacy, so you want Pirate Chain and Monero.

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I wonder the actual percent of the voting population would agree with what just passed via "representational government."

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It doesn't really matter if the population agrees or not. People can disagree all they want, but unless they actually get off their ass and DO something, SAY something, then it's irrelevant and these tyrants will continue to roll roughshod across the land.

The power comes in the united, loud and relentless NO.

https://bherr.substack.com/p/nto-the-hell-no?utm_source=url

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I agree! My question is more about assessing how many actual people _could_ do something. The compliant will not do anything.

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"The compliant will not do anything." That's too true, and it's chilling. And in not doing anything, they allow everything.

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Those two are the most conformist groups ever and they feed only on negative energy. Those truckers with their disgusting sense of community--I mean they even swept the streets!

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A "very safe and effective vaccine". Side effects are very rare. The benefits outweigh the risks. Did I miss any of the BS talking points LOL?

In fact I'm feeling very generous today so he can have all of mine as I won't be using them.

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I was just writing about this for a piece coming out friday, "The Internet Is Next". They're 'globalizing ' DNS systems where people can report sites for "harmful content" to be dealt with accordingly. The EU is already halfway there. The US will follow. The truth is still leaking out to the plebs and they can't have this. Just finished this paragraph...

"It’s time to build a new Internet. We can call it Parallel. An entirely new network powered by a different protocol that is not interchangeable with the legacy network controlled by states and monopolies we call the Internet. It can’t be a decentralized version that runs on the same fuel. States can shut those down via their DNS providers or by leaning on their capital investors. It must be created with new digital DNA, completely original and outside any realm of manipulation or control. It’s time to liberate the people from the propaganda, lies and misinformation of the state which has caused untold suffering in the past two years alone. The people could power Parallel from home and earn money doing it. Millions around the world could setup computers or server stations and instead of mining tokens they’d be powering information for others while earning tokens through a new consensus mechanism called proof of network value, a far more tangible and valuable use of power and energy. It would start slowly like a single saloon town in the old west, but build up quickly as millions and millions of more people get tired of the gaslighting and censorship and corporate-state abuse and manipulation. When the Internet is a single square room with white walls and no escape, the asylees will get restless and scratch and claw their way out. They will get hungry for the truth and immediately go where the see it flourish, inevitably attracted to its powerful force, because the truth is a magnet."

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You do know how electricity gets to your house though, right?

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That's such a good point. The power grid is a vital component. How do we really get off the grid? And if we answer that, how do we get enough people to do it to make a difference? And THEN, how do we keep them from taking the panels, gas, generators, batteries, etc? If they can make money and transactions illegal, they can find any excuse to demonize and criminalize someone with solar panels on their roof or propane in their yard.

They are in a constant beta test. We just know that when we push, they push back and see what happens. They open up a narrative, we counter it, and then they recalibrate and hit in a different way, create a different rule, etc. It's the hydra, and another head always seems to reappear.

I feel that YES, we need to pursue the alternate systems. But we better stand up to the current systems, relentlessly, because if we don't, all the alternative systems we build will be just like fighting the tide. It's not an easy way forward, and we all need to understand just how committed they are and how much momentum they already have.

https://bherr.substack.com/p/this-is-only-a-beta-test?utm_source=url

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There are places where collection and storage of rain water is illegal.

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For our safety, I bet. /s

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Always wondered why Spain effectively banned private solar installations. Could have been a world leader in the technology. Was doing great until 2013. Makes sense in this light.

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I've had an idea for years. I am not an engineer, not educated, but maybe that means I haven't been taught what cannot be done. I've never been in the box, never seen the box so I don't need to learn how to think outside the box. I've been thinking of really small power generating water mills. Hydro-electric power, small, as in a size that generates power as water runs through plumbing.

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Let us test it. Proof of concept is my middle name. It seems like there is a fair amount of kinetic energy just waiting to be harvested.

Full disclosure I've had a few martinis at lunch.

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Very effective. But needs a suitable site.

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And ultimately, as long as they can arrest us, the power is theirs. And they clearly will not hesitate to use it. Now, if the day came when the military and police were to refuse those orders...

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Military and police will not refuse their orders. They followed their orders gleefully in Canada.

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If they turn the grid off they also shut down their social credit system as well, no? If they had the capability to go after individual’s it would be like whac-a-mole and I find most centralized government activities quite clumsy.

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They don't need to shutdown your power when all they have to do is deny you the ability to buy power (or even solar panels/batteries). Their goal is the vaccine mandates --> health passport --> digital ID --> one digital currency --> to total control of your ability to buy anything. That was the main goal of their Plandemic. They can stop you from buying power, travel, food, shelter whatever they want at an individual level. Even your employer can decide what you are allowed to buy with their wages, i.e. no drugs or porn etc.

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Oh, porn will be fine. Just no church donations.

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Exactly. That's how the power systems work. Scattered nodes around the world requires an impossible game of whac-a-mole.

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Smart meters only require a truck to drive past all the addresses to be shut off today

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If your smart meter is turned off, couldn't you just go out to your electrical box and wire around it, connecting directly from the grid to your house? Not only would you bypass the meter, but your electricity would be free from that point forward.

Not that I would advocate doing such a thing, it would be wrong.

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Yes, but it's not legal, or trivial to accomplish, and not the only cutout between you and the power plant.

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You do know how decentralized systems work don't you? millions of addresses scattered around the world powering something? I'm sure states will find resources for that when not busy devoting 60% of budgets on debt servicing and war. I can see Colombia really pouring their recourses into trucks driving by all those smart meters in Bogota and Medellin . Mexico, Panama, Nigeria, Indonesia, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Poland. All that money for smart meters and trucks. China can't even ban bitcoin mining in their own country and that's as tyrannical a place as it gets.

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The trucks are already on the road, collecting meter data for billing and service shutoffs

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The utilities seem to be able to bill for service at a pretty granular level...

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can the smart grid not cut off power to individuals easily?

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Again, as far as I can see, it’s whac-a-mole. There are thousands upon thousands of individuals all over the world they’d have to go after, which is the whole point of blockchain.

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Yes, from the solar panels in my side yard. If you aren't moving toward complete independence from external systems, you're way behind schedule; get moving! (Point taken, though - thank you.)

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States shut down their power systems to take down thousands of servers scattered across their country which brings down their own systems? Why don't you enlighten us beyond a snarky question.

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I guess you don't understand how power distribution works. Better get a generator.

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I do understand the power distribution system; I am a retired Professional Engineer and a Life Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, the world's largest professional society. I've worked in the power industry (as a vendor) since 1986, 35 years.

The power distribution system is not designed as a means of control, it's designed to get power from the distribution substations to the users. It is stressed even by being asked to move power backwards, from (modern, not anticipated in the original design) rooftop solar into the bulk power system. Smart meter technology does in theory have the ability to turn off individual users, but most actual installations lack a remote-control disconnect feature (it costs money). Bottom line, it is an old system using mostly old technology that works, but it is not feature-rich like the Internet.

Service is normally disconnected manually by a technician coming to your house and removing the meter. Then they replace the cover (that circular glass-like thing that normally goes over the meter) and attach a 'seal' which is a wire with a bit of plastic, intended to provide evidence of tampering.

Widespread control of individual users, as in the ability to sit in a darkened room and turn on and off peoples' power, is at present (in most places at least) a pipe dream. It's on the list of things that could be done, but so far there is not much ROI for it. People not paying their bills and having service cut off is not a widespread enough issue to spend money on. After all, they make money on it -- the customer is required to pay a fee (in addition to the cost of the electricity and monthly service charges) to get the service turned back on.

So long as the 'number of offenders' the Man wants to turn off is small, it can easily enough be done the old-fashioned way. Easier than trying to arrest you, matter of fact. Only if there is widespread refusal to comply, will they be overwhelmed. And if there is such widespread refusal, their goose is cooked already.

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True enough. If the government tells the power company to disconnect someone, they will get disconnected. This has already happened in the US over Covid, and has been threatened even more https://fox5sandiego.com/news/california-news/la-mayor-shuts-off-utilities-at-hollywood-hills-party-house/

It cost the banks something to freeze the assets of the (hundreds of?) families of people who donated ten bucks to the Canadian truckers, too, but it got done.

My point is, that there are remote shutoffs in some places, it takes two minutes to pull a meter, and half an hour to disconnect the local drop at the transformer. When the state has control, they don't care what it costs someone else.

Like the covid fearmongering, it would only take a few dozen examples to scare a lot of people into compliance.

My .02, before taxes.

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Sociopaths never care what it costs to actuate their agenda. They would chop off their right leg before the let you have your way.

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Thank you wild bill, I will keep an eye out for your comments.

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I'm glad these comments make you feel good about yourself. How about providing some actual constructive content.

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He did recommend a generator. ; )

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If I tell you that you're vulnerable at the public utility level and it makes you think about your individual situation, that's good enough for me.

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I'm going to run an extension cord over to my neighbor's house's outdoor outlet. /jk

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🎯

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Not once you have solar and batteries.

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You need more than solar & batteries. You need a generator & fuel. Much of the northern hemisphere solar is nearly useless in the winter. And solar/batteries is very expensive power, best application is in warm, sunny locations like New Mexico. Truly going off-grid really means wood fuel in an area of plentiful supply but that can only sustain a tiny portion of the population.

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Actually a cool, sunny location is best. PV panels and batteries don't like heat. Neither do inverters. Performance and lifetime suffer.

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Inverter, properly sized for maximum operating temperature is no problem, although lifetime as with most tech is reduced at higher operating temperatures. PV is maximum efficiency when cooler indeed, but most locations with maximum solar capacity factor are hot and sunny, lucky to get a place that's cool and sunny. And cool usually means higher power needs, except for refrigeration or if you are so wealthy as to be able to afford air conditioning off grid.

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Authoritarians will find a way to control access to these as well.

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I don't disagree.

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Or another generating source. Probably <2% do though.

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That's the point. You're going to need a (much) bigger boat. If you don't start there you got nothing and good luck with all of that.

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I'm in how do we get started. I just ran into the machine you talked about that is going to further control the content on the internet. The organization was called Lumen and they censored and removed content from the internet on a topic I was just researching this morning regarding Garcon and Chesa Boudin.

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And you know the corps that own the majority of Lumen shares

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I'm just starting to try and understand what to do. I'm heavily invested in the global stock market. MSCI All Country (I think it’s the best long-term hedge against inflation) I would be interested in starting a fund that finds corporations that understand and support capitalism while disavowing all allegiance to a woke philosophy. I'm just not sure we could find any large-cap stocks that fit this bill.

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I cashed out everything but my 401k and IRAs and bought land. I figure I can timber it or lease mineral rights for income. Tangibles seem like a safer bet in uncertain times.

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Think gold and silver

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Real estate, precious metals are good. But they can be seized. Bitcoin held properly is unconfiscatable and transportable.

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And not volatile at all.

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Historically gold has an absolutely dismal track record compared to the DJIA. Perhaps this is one of those short periods where gold and silver might over-perform, but why take the chance. Stocks over 30 years have consistently outperformed gold. Your time frame for your investments is always longer than 30 years unless you figure out how to bounce a check to the undertaker.

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Feb 23, 2022·edited Feb 23, 2022

As they say, timing is everything. Those buying stocks at the 1929 peak would not have broken even until after WW II. Look at the markets now (bubbles everywhere) and compare to metals (suppressed for many years). Stock prices owe much of their valuation to our debt-based, money-printing economy -- which is imploding at the moment. Things eventually revert to the mean, and that implies significant upward moves for PMs, particularly in a flight to safety. Nobody will will trade you a stock certificate for a can of beans, but coins work very well for such transactions. Resource stocks may do well, but tangible assets, in your hands, are safer and will likely out-perform over the next several years.

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It is apparent that they will clamp down on the internet by launching a massive pseudo-cyberattack. Similar to their 9/11 False Flag Operation. The plandemic is just phase #1 in their quest for a neo-feudal World Totalitarian government. For example, Archbishop Carlo Vigano warns that the Plandemic will be followed by an ecological emergency and then an internet emergency:

I would bet phase two will be cyberattacks, which they will use to justify extreme internet censorship. Note Klaus Schwab has been griping about "the lawlessness of the internet". Phase three climate change emergency. And maybe a major war thrown into the mix, they sure are itching to get that war in Ukraine. Archbishop Vigano ~ Talks of Planetary Dictatorship & An International Anti-Globalist Alliance:

https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-148-2021-thurs-nov-18-vigano-appeal/

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Have you checked out ENS, the Ethereum Name Service (a decentralized naming service for blockchains)? Have you seen how many websites are using ENS as their naming convention with their content hosted on the Interplanetary File System (IPFS)? It's not a perfect solution yet. Search and interactivity aren't there, but we're already well down this path. There is much more than just IPFS and ENS already. Check this out if you want to explore further: https://towardsdatascience.com/decentralizing-your-website-f5bca765f9ed

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Nice. How long to do it?

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Depends on capital. If $100 million could be raised like many crypto speculators have with some dodgy ITOs then a few years max.

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hundred million ain't shit. my company had a (health) tech breakthrough and JP Morgan raised almost 200M for us in under two weeks. We all have our reservations about global finance but god damn when it works it can allocate capital to its most productive uses

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That internet, to a degree exists, it's called the dark web based on onion links and can be traversed using Tor browsers. The dark part really refers to the lack of indexing by most search engines. DuckDuckGo has some search capability (https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/). Note that it is not completely secure from the government tracking, but that tracking requires a lot of dedication. Generally you will want to use a VPN to avoid your ISP from being able to see what you are doing. For the paranoid you can buy server space and host your own VPN. Nothing illegal about any of this, yet. Like many parts of the Internet, Usenet specifically, you generally must have a bit more skill to use many of these services. Usenet has user groups that are controlled by nobody but requires a special reader and now a subscription to a service provider. In early days ISPs provided the service as a legacy since Usenet predates the WWW and browsers but have dropped the service now. For both the dark web and Usenet you must be much more aware of the dangers of malware arriving.

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I remember sharing files via usenet. Another ancient legacy service is irc which still exists.

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Feb 22, 2022·edited Feb 22, 2022

It would have to be a mesh network and even if it is, transmission sources could easily be identified by the gestapo and the operators quickly punished or executed. This is true for ham radio that many people point to as "noncontrolled" communication.

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All the more reason to try something based on encryption on the existing Internet framework.

A lot depends on how widespread is the opposition to the Borg. If there are just a few of us, of course they'll pick us all off one way or another.

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I agree this is a good place to start. Rebuilding something like the Internet from scratch is a long-term project. Worthwhile, but we need a practical solution sooner, even if it is only a partial solution. What is learned from that project can be applied to the long-term system.

'Hiding in plain sight' offers numerous advantages. It can be done today on the existing internet (which in and of itself, provides plenty of 'steganographic substrate' to work with) with existing technology. Everything you do, can be done in secrecy, provided that your correspondents likewise are keeping a low profile.

Of course, that leaves out existing financial service providers and the like. They are already fully co-opted. The challenge will be developing that alternative universe -- once you replace Citibank, Vanguard, Amazon etc. with alternatives, you have got something going. Of course, all of those outfits started out small and in some cases, not so long ago. If there is motivation, and people are willing to ditch the big guys for smaller, more user-friendly and low-profile substitutes, it can happen. It is happening now with Rumble, Parler, etc. etc. Many, many people, even those who disagree with viewpoints common on El Gato's group, are tired of all the censoring and mind control of big tech.

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Possibly the only way out of this is being reduced back to the stone age by an EMP

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All true, though tracking people down takes time and effort, which thinly spread enforcement agencies may not be willing to expend. We'll all be outlaws by then, anyway.

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I am not sure it needs to be a completely separate Internet. Perhaps systems based on VPN and/or TOR. Not that I'm an expert. But if we need to build out an entirely parallel hardware system, isn't the game lost before we start?

It's been interesting to watch Andrew Anglin's efforts to evade censorship. As far as I can tell, every country on Earth wants him silenced. But his site is still alive on TOR. I don't know how he does it.

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IIRC wasn't it Russia that outlawed VPNs? Right now there is significant discussion passing laws that require everything to have a backdoor the gov can use.

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I guess they haven't completely.

"Russia's internet watchdog, 'Roskomnadzor', has announced the ban of other VPN products, 15 VPN services are now illegal in Russia. Russian communications watchdog Roskomnadzor tightens the control over the Internet and blocked access to six more VPN services."

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Networks can be any size, and based on wi-fi or even cell phone connectivity. Having a regional network is much better than nothing at all.

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Ham radio based packet networks? Cat scratching doesn't take much bandwidth.

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Your transmission tower would be detected in half a second

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Feb 23, 2022·edited Feb 23, 2022

Entirely possible, but only if someone is looking for it. By the time such activity is deemed illegal (it is not, now) everyone will be outlaws anyway. Especially with brief transmissions, it would not be worth the effort to interdict such communications. (BTW, no tower is needed; just a length of wire, or a small directional antenna -- very inconspicuous.)

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It is not clear why more people aren't considering the darknet. I have logged into it before. Maybe it was discovered to have some flaw.

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Darknet - Hard to use, can be dangerous to your computer if not careful, requires actually understanding of what is going on. Still there, always has been there.

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Feb 22, 2022·edited Feb 22, 2022

I've thought for a long time now that the "electronic revolution" (that started out with such hope) was the beginning of the end. Much more powerful than the atom bomb.

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So did Ted kazinsky

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Feb 23, 2022·edited Mar 5, 2022

He was considered genius level; only his method of trying to convince people was sadly mistaken.

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The Ethereum Name Service, IPFS and other such decentralised projects seem promising

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Didn't see your comment. I agree 100%. Echoed the same elsewhere in this thread.

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Where are you going to get the power supply to run this parallel internet inside of nation state borders?

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From your own back yard. You don't need massive server farms when you're working peer-to-peer.

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Cash of course is completely anonymous, which is why I predict it’ll soon disappear.

Not using cash & instead a full ID & tracking of every transaction you make including what you purchased, when, from whom to even the barcode of your purchase is made attractively simple, while making access to & use of cash as hard as possible.

I don’t think many governments can legally abolish cash. But they won’t need to if they apply onerous conditions for obtaining & depositing cash.

Do not ever permit the executive to effectively abolish cash.

Most people don’t see that mandatory digital ID + exclusively digital currency means the end of every human freedom, permanently.

Of course, this isn’t inevitable, but given that the perpetrators have aimed to herd us into this configuration tells you their intentions.

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Easy to do for cash too. Before they did away with International Postal Money Orders, the increasingly difficulty and time consumption made them unused Le for me. The last time my parents sent one to me for my kids birthday the rule required it be sent to a centralized office for approval. Could not cash it in time for his birthday. It being only $40., I was able to cover it.

All they have to do is require those you use cash provide photo ID and fill out lots of paperwork to track it. Add the requirement to send it off for approval requiring a second visit for every cash purchase and it becomes too cumbersome for most and cash disappears as not enough people are using it.

Additional controls. A couple of weekends ago I saw something new, “QR code Only” public toilets in a shopping area in Tokyo. To use the toilet, one need to provide the QR code key on their idiot phone. To get the QR code to use the toilet, one needs to make a purchase in one of the stores. After the purchase is made one can scan the QR code on to their idiot phone and use the toilet. If they can do that, they can use the exact same to control entry and egress from any venue.

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This is already being done. The only banks not requiring you to completely identify yourself when depositing cash are the small local banks. It’s just a matter of time before they will require it as well.

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Not surprised, though I did not know. Thanks.

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Eventually the universe will throw another Carrington event at us. Then, everything will be a free public toliet. The folly of man and all.

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Well, that is at least something to look forward to.

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Our great reward.

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If our politicians and grid operators had any common sense we can handle a Carrington event very well. A nuclear EMP weapon would be much more dangerous but there are ways to mitigate that.

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Nothing is certain until it is tested, i.e., actually happens. I've read some of the reports on GICs and EMPs and all that. It is scary on the surface, but the bottom line is that we will not really know, unless and until it actually happens.

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No you won't know that well because the grid + electrical/electronic devices is overwhelmingly complex. However you can model the effect of and EMP or CME on major grid or industrial infrastructure quite accurately. More than sufficiently to install a protective system. That won't eliminate all problems but you can at least protect against the most serious problems like destruction of transmission lines, major switchgear and transformers.

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Not to go too far into the rabbit-hole here, but in actuality much of the stuff in the modern power system is already fairly robust; protective relays, for instance, have so much protection against transients already that they do fairly well in simulated EMP event testing. Basically, the stuff in the power system is pretty tough.

Large (GSU/HV) transformers are a question, due to their vulnerability to insulation breakdown and the fact that there are no longer any sources for them outside of China, and it takes several years to get new ones.

But regardless of all this, I will stand on my original assertion: with such a complex system, and the unknowns relating to major (Carrington-sized) solar events and nuke EMPs, even with modeling, I won't bet anything on the results, until after it happens.

Your point is well taken though: it's a damn good idea to do what we think we can, based on such models as we have, imperfect as they might be. Anything less is stupidity, and that unfortunately is where we are today.

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These rules already exist. Cash is basically worthless in this example once you have to deposit it onto an account.

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Me and a friend of mine were having a conversation over the weekend. He's saved up a lot of money over his life, but he's thrown his hands up in frustration. "What am I going to do with my money?" he said.

We both recognize everything that's being discussed here. Crypto will eventually be absorbed into the borg, like everything else. Piling gold in your backyard is an ok thought. Do we stockpile ammo, alcohol, medicine, etc, and prepare for a true back door barter system? It's insane to be talking like this, but it's also the reality that's descended up on.

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Back door bartering will be they only for many to survive. That is until their neighbor rats them out or a police drone catches them in the act.

Think for a moment of those who supported the trucker protest in Canada. Many have had their bank accounts frozen. What the hell can they do? They have many but no access to it. How do they buy food for their families? Pay rent or mortgages? How long can their communities support them? How long till those who help them have their accounts frozen?

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Canada ain't over yet. Phase One is winding down; they wanted to talk to the government but the government said "Hell, no!" So now they go home and probably take a few weeks R&R with their families, and reflecting on what sort of country they want to live in.

There are 350,000 truckers in Canada, the largest single occupation in the country. Maybe 5-10% of them actively participated in the convoy. How many more will decide to join their compatriots in a well-deserved break? If it is a significant number, then in a few days, gas stations will be out of fuel. Grocery stores will be out of food. In a week or so, those cold, hungry people, who have no gas left in their car or food in their pantry, will be on the horn telling their MP's office to do something.

If what they do looks anything like what happened (is happening still, apparently) in Ottawa, the government is perilously close to losing any credibility. Game over for the bureaucrats -- after all, their families will be cold and hungry too.

Too early to tell how this will work out. What a time to be alive, eh?

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Agreed, will be interesting to see who has the long game.

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How do they put food on their tables with their bank accounts frozen? I hope you are correct that the remaining truckers will take the risk of their families starting and freezing and join but I will believe it when I see it. The government of Canada has already lost all creditability other than that of thugs.

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I doubt banks will freeze their accounts. Imagine what the wealthy Canadiens will do once they know which banks fell in line and listened to Tru Dope. Besides, truck drivers could give a shit about their checking accounts being frozen. They were broke before, and they don't mind being broke again. At the end of the day, Canadien truck drivers have way more power than black face Tru dope could ever dream of. Give it a few more days and just watch what 350,000 truck drivers can do to the Canadian economy.

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Who do I send my money to?

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I agree. Sometimes I don’t know if I should join em. Other times I don’t know if I should drop the gloves.

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Do we really know of anyone that has had this happen to them yet? I doubt it’s already up and running. As far as the Twitter account claiming his account was frozen and it was a case of mistaken identity. I call bullshit on that.

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Good question. I do not know of anyone in Canada who might be involved but the government has said that they have in fact frozen accounts. The follow claiming mistaken identity did have his account frozen…if he is to be believed.

But with the videos of the heavy handed police action, it is not hard to believe the reports are true.

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Not known personally but Tom Marazzo said in this weekends press conference that they had frozen his accounts and dropped his wife's credit score even though she has a different last name:

Freedom Convoy Press Conference Feb.19, 2020 "Time to regroup and revaluate" #irnieracingNews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvV0fX9I6w8

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My thoughts too. My question to those that believe that crypto will save them, how do they get cash to put into crypto and how do they get cash out of crypto?

My question to those who believe cash will save them, how can they use it if it is banned, devalued or made so difficult to use that most will convert it whatever the government allows?

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Cash is all ready basically worthless. What are you going to do? Roll up in a Brinks truck and drop off 3m in cash for the next home you are going to buy. As I previously mentioned when you go to the bank to deposits money they require you to completely identify your self. I'm not taking about just showing you state issued drivers license. Some banks won't even take your cash deposit unless you fully id yourself by opening an account with them as well.

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See, while I was unaware of this as I have not lived in the US for over 20 years, I still knew that cash is not the panacea many make it out to be. I can not understand why and how so many think just using cash is the solution.

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Yeah, it’s definitely not the solution. This Panicdemic was another wedge in helping big brother make cash absolete.

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And with so many afraid to touch anything that has just been handled by another, it is accelerating.

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Didn’t the guy that bailed out of Afghanistan stuff his escape plane with boxes of cash and leave about a million behind on the runway? I thought I heard that. Anyway, remember HSBC got into a little trouble for handling the process of laundering Mexican Cartel cash? Maybe you just don’t qualify for a “special customer service representative” to personally expedite your business? Maybe all these years you have been standing in the “Fool’s” line with your impressive $3M cashier’s check to go buy your house while Jose, Guillermo, and Frederico are bringing $30M a day cash in gym bags and laundry baskets through the back service entrance?

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Perhaps you are correct.

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I don’t think democrats could support abolishing cash due to how it would negatively affect illegal immigrants who may deal exclusively in cash. We could probably learn a lot from immigrants who masterfully manage to avoid detection by the system.

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They do not avoid detection. The system masterfully avoids taking notice of them.

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About ten years ago I was chatting with a woman whose husband has a big orchard. Every year his labor force shows up from south of the border and he has them fill out tax forms. Many provide fake numbers. He sends the paperwork to the “government” and gets back from them a list of the fake numbers that were submitted. Those who gave a fake number are then…wait for it…given numbers that they can use! This is the Kalergi Plan in action.

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They have never been “in the shadows”.

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And that will all end too as soon as they stop being useful to them. We won't have to worry about illegal immigrants anymore. The concern will actually switch to being able to get out of the country freely, not into it undetected.

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Illegal immigrants will be supported on UBI; in fact, they'll be the first ones to do so. That's been the goal from day 1.

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Plus holding cash is dangerous because they inflate the value away.

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While that’s true, I’d rather that than lose 100% of it due to bank bail-ins after they collapse.

The deposit guarantee schemes will not be honoured. So don’t leave more in banks than you’re willing to lose.

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Yes, I agree and have been saying own hard assets rather than hold cash. The problem though is that you can't avoid the government if you need to liquidate those assets to buy things like food, fuel.....ammo (kind of kidding there but not really).

Ultimately we can't avoid the "authorities" even if you have a mattress full of cash as long as we keep the authoritarians in power. It would be nice if the masses would remove them via the ballot box in favor of actual liberty dedicated candidates but that seems mostly a pipedream.

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That's why you need alternative local currencies that are based upon the exchange of REAL goods and services, not the Bankster's God called money. Elon Musk is correct when he says money is just information, a metric that represents the relative value of goods and services. There is a fellow named Paul Grignon who has designed an ideal digital currency that directly represents the value of goods and services. See:

https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulLWGrignon/videos

Otherwise to be independent of the authority of the Banking Cartel, you need to alternative currencies which are widely used around the World. Even Bus tokens have been used successfully as local currencies. There are commercial currencies such as the WIR, C3, and the Terra TRC. And local currencies such as the Curitiba, Time Dollars, LETS, social currencies such as the Fureai Kippu and Saber. When the ECB criminals clamped down on Greece, denying them Euros, local currencies kept the economy running, saved people from starvation.

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I take out all my cash as soon as it is deposited. Have done so for many many years.

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Cash is for fools. As much as I hate corporations, you have to hold sizable investments in large corporations as they are the only place that can hedge against inflation. They could care less about how much your dollar can buy tomorrow. All they do is raise the price of their products and fight to freeze wage increases of their employees.

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I hold a lot of financial assets in the form of stock holdings in “Blue Chip” multinationals on the Swiss, US & U.K. markets. I also hold a large amount of cash on account. I’m in the fortunate position to not have been at any risk of running out in retirement. I’m hedging both “return of capital” (cash albeit eroding in purchasing power) & “return on capital” (dividend stocks, albeit at risk they might go down >90% in value with little warning).

If I was positioned to do so, I’d add to real estate. And some physical gold.

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Gold. Even copper now.

Real estate can be dicey as the government can put any liens on it as they wish. As the new German lien on all properties to pay out vax injuries… it’s an additional taxation on all owners.

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Ain’t that the truth! They have been doing just that for a long time before the recent skyrocketing of inflation.

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Well, the "governments" outlawed gold ownership - wasn't terribly hard...and you were required to return it, right? At a price below market value in exchange for paper. How hard would it be to outlaw cash? If Govt controls banks and "bans" bitcoin as legal tender...tough road. Only way you avoid this is if BTC is exchangeable as tender, peer to peer, its own network similar to cigarettes in prison.

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No. The only to avoid this is to remove governments who wish to do this and then for the new governments to give up the power to do this.

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When Al Quada knew they were being electronically surveilled in every way possible they went to the low-tech solution of communicating through couriers carrying messages or thumb drives, etc. Now that we are all presumptive terrorists we may have to do the same. Maybe Uber Eats can be repurposes to deliver packages of cash or Kruggerrands. That may be the financial system of the future.

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May be but not one with the level of security and stability needed for any but the filthy rich to prosper.

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We also need to vote with our wallets and stop purchasing from any globalist corporation. Decentralized local business networks are anti fragile.

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Just closed all my TD Bank accounts..opening new accounts with small community banks

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Stopped using our TD credit card last week. My husband waited on hold forever to tell them why and then texted them, but I think I agree with Corkey - the less they know the better.

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Why is them knowing less better though? That they may target you via regime resources after your banking relationship is over?

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Yes, those are my thoughts bc we've already been notified by our AG that our info was exposed in the givesendgo hack and I believe I used that card.

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And make no mistake that the Canadian regime and bootlicking banks like TD may very well have been involved in releasing your data.

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Yep.

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In the process of doing the same. Let them know why you are shutting down the accounts.

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Not sure I agree. The less they know the better.

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Be the grey man!

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👍👍👍

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Tho I've been doing this for years, I'm ashamed to say I *finally* just recently cancelled Amazon "prime". Alexa and her partner Bezos can go to hell.

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Exactly right, folks forget every dollar is a vote and corp giants including all the big banks use OUR money for their power. Move deposits to Credit Unions, stop buying from Big Box, Amazon, Walmart etc.. join a CoOp or CSA to support local farmers, plant a garden & starve Wall Street every chance we get.

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Really. Most stores have been closed down again and again over these past two years. Only online shopping seems to have been unaffected. OH! Wait. There was a store I thin in New Jersey who switched to one selling because of the governor’s order to close stores. While live only, police entered and shut them down.

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Yup. Once you see it you can't unsee it. They rely on most people being passive and ignorant and not noticing or caring. It's the very worst combination of Orwell and Huxley: ubiquitous omniscient surveillance and blissful distraction.

Fiat currency is not free money, it's a monopoly that is controlled by the state. Fiat currency allows the government to spend what it wants and if it's digital - not even crypto, just electronic - it allows the government to control and confiscate what it wants, too. That's why they want to get rid of cash. They bait you with the promise of convenience and security but what you get is a switch to tyrannical control.

And most people have no idea whatsoever.

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I've been converting all our money into cat food before they raid our bank account for giving to the truckers 😹

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Also tubes of apple flavored horse dewormer paste.

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You're gonna have a fat, happy kitty when TSHTF.

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Eleven 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹

I figure if we run out of human food, we can always resort to cat food. It has a much longer shelf life, too 😆

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Thank you for highlighting this Gato - the reason the WEF-inspired goons are cracking down so hard on crypto (specifically Bitcoin) is because it's an incredible threat.

If you could take the power of the purse permanently away from the King, the serfs may actually live a good life.

This is a Guttenberg printing press moment in our history and the fight will get nasty, but Bitcoin will win. It's still a child turning into a teenager but layer 2 apps like Sphinx chat are incredibly capable of sending BTC anywhere in the world in a blink. Agree that we need to solve converting BTC into diesel fuel but now that people know what governments have up their sleeve, a lot more energy will be poured into solving these problems.

The serfs will win.

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What gato in my opinion didn't realise that turning bitcoin into fuel will be very likely possible. How? There will be always someone who will believe in bitcoin and willing to invest in it so maybe from his last remaining real money he will buy gas and sell it for BTC. Or you just need a few madhats who are willing to risk and sell black for BTC...etc.

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It's a problem of buy-in. When there are enough people who accept payment in crypto, everyone else will quickly start to accept it too, once they realise they will be able to spend it directly without converting it to cash.

Getting to that point is the hard part.

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One thing is for sure, as another poster on another thread said recently, "When you are catching flak, you can be sure you are over the target."

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So imagine what these regimes will do to businesses that accept payment in any cryptocurrency. Let alone anything like Monero or Secret network:

The regimes will claim these businesses are "domestic terrorists" and instruct the banks to close their fiat accounts. Then the regime, will revoke their business license, liquor license, etc....because they are "domestic terrorists"

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Exactly. Dr Mercola hosted a discussion recently between a big Bitcoin expert and Catherine Austin Fitts. CAF made this very point: the inherent weakness of any crypto including BTC is that Big Brother will always seek to control the users and the vendors such that controlling the crypto isn't necessary. Crypto may be the future if a future arrives without totalitarian governments. Sadly, that time is not now.

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It seems we're beyond fixing this. It's going to have to collapse in epic fashion. When it does we'll see who opts for security in the New Totalitarian State and who opts for freedom Patrick Henry style.

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So true. The gov't will even resort to outlawing gold and silver (they've done it before) so those of us that are metal heads are not immune, either. Public commerce is co-opted completely.

Layer 2 on the crypto networks is a huge vulnerability and very susceptible to censorship. Look who is building them--Dorsey, PayPal, Visa, MC, etc. The answer does not lie there.

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Anything built by an already corrupt company must be avoided. Look at Sphinx chat, built by the Lightening Labs people.

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Txs, I'll check it out.

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There's also an app called Strike, built by Jack Mallers and being used in El Salvador where BTC is legal tender.

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I think I watched an interview between him and Pompliano. He outlined how a family he stayed with in El Salvador receives $50 a month from a family member in the USA which is a big part of their budget. When they get the money order they have to take time off working and take busses for several hours to go to the city to cash it. To cash it they pay a large fee, then they have to ride the bus back home and avoid getting robbed. Now, using Jack’s bridging software and Bitcoin, they can receive the funds directly into their phone for very small fees, bypassing the high transfer fees, lost work time, and risk of robbery. So the problems are being solved and the incentives for the third world people are very strong. So countries like El Salvador that get out in front of the adoption process have a competitive advantage attracting early adopter types. It is a race against time as the NWO tries to pull in the swine net. Can the piraña teach the sardines to chew through the net in time?

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El Salvador? For freedom? Who'd a thunk it?

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bad cat 2024.

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be careful what you ask for...

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Make America Meow Again.

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We have all the catnip and Official Napping Sunbeams you could ask for.

Bad Cat 2024.

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I'm not surprised Trudeau arrested the Trucker leaders, I am not surprised he enacted the Emergencies Act, I'm even not surprised that Canada's Parliament upheld the Act, since the MPs have been enabling Trudeau the entire Covid Era. I was surprised to see that the Canadian government announce they are seizing assets from not only those who participated in the peaceful protest but also those who supported the peaceful protest. From here in California, it looks like Canada has declared war on 40% of its own population. War. This isn't an argument or dispute, this is war.

I haven't heard of any American politicians condemning the dictatorship north of our border, probably because they want to do the same thing to us here.

I also don't know how you guys will get a new internet and currency system set-up in time before the US Feds crush all dissent here. The bad guys have bee planning this for years and all of those who think this is just a coincidence and not a concentrated plot formulated years ago probably still think they can mask their way out of tyranny.

Good luck and stay safe, looks like the American Empire is in for a rough landing.

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"It" actually started for the US before this but reading this is enlightening as to a definite point of acceleration.

https://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve-ebook/dp/B00ARFNQ54

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Not your keys, not your coins! This is a great time to learn about storing your own crypto. We know for sure the banking system is 100% captured. At least crypto gives us a CHANCE to get outside the system.

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/cypto-exchange-krakens-ceo-not-your

This is how fast things move when after the fraud has been exposed and only the force remains. A week ago, ALL OF THIS STUFF WAS LEGAL. The government moved as lightning speed (crazy how quick they move to protect themselves) to suspend the rule of law and destroy the lives of the protestors and their supporters. The people who have had their bank accounts frozen DON’T EVEN HAVE WARRANTS OUT FOR THEIR ARREST.

And, just like kicking Alex Jones off social media, you’d have to be crazy to think it stops here. The scope of the law will expand, the definition of ‘terrorist’ will expand, and more and more people will be caught up. Remember the outrage when Trump was using ‘unmarked’ cars to arrest protestors? Now imagine the government shuts down your bank account because your phone was in the area of a protest.

“These powers are temporary,” claimed the people who said “two weeks to flatten the curve.”

These are no longer pie-in-the-sky hypotheticals. This is happening and expanding at a terrifying rate. It won’t stop. This is how the USA PATRIOT Act is now mainly used against Americans. This is also how we get to a point where yesterday’s conspiracy theories become proposed law. Even if you hate everything about the Freedom Convoy, you need to understand: YOU ARE NEXT.

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One thought is to faraday bag your phone ALL of the time and use a pager that your phone can forward to when you get a call. I may be wrong but I don't think pagers are trackable, yet. Of course now and then you will need to briefly retrieve calls.

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This is everything that Ron Paul used to discuss. They MUST control the money, for myriad reasons all relative to control.

Gold was essential outlawed at one point too, for similar reasons but without social credit dynamics now.

Better to snuff it out now I suppose. Perhaps with a handful of companies adopting use of crypto and I believe the state of FL, and now the convoy, enough is enough to the central planners

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As a citizen of Canada who supported the truckers with a small donation, WTF do I do?! I’ve got hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake.

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Make sure we Vote every last one of these tyrants and psychopaths out of office. It’s time we wake the fuck up and get involved in politics. For too long, we have been concentrating on our businesses and families and ignoring what's happening in politics. That needs to change. Make everything in your business and daily life about politics and refuse to back down about your beliefs. This is an all-out war. This is a battle for our survival as freedom-loving citizens of the western world.

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The biggest problem in Western Democracies is people are too lazy to get involved in the local party apparatus. In Canada various vested interests swamp nomination meetings to ensure their stooge is nominated. The people need to takeover all political parties at the local level, show up in mass to ensure candidates who are anti-corporate, anti-globalist, anti-corruption are chosen.

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Several years back I watched a documentary on electronic voting machines. At the time,, we had Dubya as the “war president” and the baddies were the “neocons” and “Republicans..” The voting machine company of note was called ”Diebold” and was owned by a big Republican Bush donor fella.

So a writer in Seattle got curious about electronic voting and as her story goes she went dumpster diving behind Diebold HQ and came up with a big load of code that someone didn’t shred. ( Diebold said she stole it.) Not being at all computer savvy she took it to a professor who analyzed it and said that it could definitely be used to cheat an election and showed her how. She made a video of his demonstration and took it to a public hearing in California about voting machines. At the hearing she stood up and made her accusation. The President of the company and his chief software engineer just sneered—who are you to question the experts?etc. Then she played her video substantiating her charge. What happened next?

The State of California ordered $18 million more of the machines!!!

So, “voting” is going to be our (paperless) ticket to the “promised land.?” Since then, of course we have had Project Veritas exposing Bob Creamer’s election fraud work with minion Scott Foval and then of course the currently on-going investigations of what happened in the Brandon Selection.

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It is possible to make voting machines that are fast, secure, efficient, honest and inexpensive. Sadly, nobody wants such a thing. This is one of the main reasons we have people like El Gato Malo on the beat. Some day, people will wake up. The Plandemic, if we are lucky, might be the start. It has inconvenienced and angered enough people to maybe, just maybe make a difference.

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Learn everything you can about Bitcoin, not just headline level information. Do a deep dive. Recommended reading: The Bitcoin Standard by Saifedean Ammous. Watch videos by Andreas Antonopoulos. It takes a while to learn but once you know, you know.

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I’ve got Bitcoin right now on a ledger. Just don’t know if converting the rest to btc is a good idea or whether buying silver or gold is better. Or taking out cash?

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On that I'm torn... physical gold and silver is hard to spend (small amounts) but for value storage purposes at this point its probably much better than fiat. Cash will rot at a rate of 15% a year... that's what the real rate of inflation probably is in the US right now. Not sure what it is in Canada. Excellent you are hedged with BTC on a ledger!!! Godspeed.

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Thanks, Ki! I appreciate your thoughts. It’s lonely up in the Great White North these days!

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We'd love to have you in the free state of Kentucky! I really think any freedom loving person ought to seek asylum here. Sure, Biden is probably about to do a few very stupid things but in the long run, the US will be solid.

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I’ve admired so much the US response to all this. The sick out of the pilots, the portion of your population who resisted vaccination and your courageous governors who went against the prevailing narrative to stop the insanity. We have literally nowhere to go here in Canada. All the provinces did exactly what they were told. We have no free province to flee to. You may find us on your doorstep in a few months, especially after your kind offer! 😊

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How is Kentucky these days? We have been suffering under Whitmer up here in Michigan for three years and there’s a good chance she will be reelected or selected. She has made life absolutely miserable for small and medium businesses in the state.Well it seems like you guys have a decent senator in Senator Rand Paul, your governor looks a little Weasley to me.

How is life on the ground there? If Whitmer is back in office again this November we are definitely leaving Michigan and I’m looking for a new home

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Tell that to someone trapped in NY

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That's a stupid idea. BTC is way to volatile and the government is already working to make it worthless.

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What would you recommend? I’m a Canadian who donated to the Freedom Convoy. They’re likely going to freeze my accounts. I need to make a decision soon.

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Open a brokerage account with Vanguard or Charles Schwab. They can also provide a checking and credit card for you as well.

UBS, Saxobank, and swissquote are some good swiss brokerage firms as well.

Everyone in Canada should move their money outside of Candian banks and brokerage firms.

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I’m not sure these mainstream brokerages won’t honour the request of the Canadian government to freeze accounts held be Canadian customers.

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As a start, open a couple of foreign bank accounts remotely and transfer most of your money there.

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Foreign (land) investments in countries with US friendly banks is relatively easy with a good attorney. A country where you can get secondary residency in case you need to escape is a bonus. There’s a lot out there if one looks and it’s not out of reach for many people, especially when considering retirement.

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Classical economics says that for something to be used as money, it has to meet three conditions:

1) Store of Value - it has to be scarce and durable and unable to be created easily

2) Unit of Account - it has to be divisible into small enough fungible pieces that records can be easily kept and tracked

3) Medium of Exchange - a critical number of other people are willing to accept it in return for something else of value

This is why precious metals or rare seashells were used as money in the past. Or items that are labor intensive like tanned buckskins or stone wheels carved in a specific way. It's why bitcoin works, because it has to be mined - with other resources - and can't be counterfeited.

Fiat money is money SOLELY because the government says so and uses the threat of force maintain the second two conditions while it gradually depletes the first condition.

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you left off easily transportable and easily divisible

cows were once currency, but not so easily transportable

also cows (or seashells) are not so easily divisible into identical units

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Currency doesn't have to be a store of value. In fact some currencies have been time limited so you cannot use them to store value or at least their value is discounted over time to encourage the use of money to facilitate the exchange of goods and services which is the vitality of an economy. When the new Central Bank digital currency is released it is quite possible they will time limit its use forcing you to use it or lose it. Fits well with their "You will own nothing" Great Reset rental economy. Ultra-rich Rent Seekers don't like us proles to own anything.

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"money" not currency.

Which is while the digital currency won't actually be money.

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