Trudeau, yesterday, literally within hours: "lol no I'm not lifting the travel ban on the dirty unvaxxed with their unacceptable opinions, I'm going to keep them imprisoned in Canada thanks, also what do you need guns for lol".
What is left out of the story is this is not the first total ban on hand-guns in Canada. Back around 2013 I was visiting Saskatchewan, working with a fine bunch of Canadians. One evening one of the fellows invited me to his "sporting club" to do some shooting (an indoor range, it being winter). A fine selection of handguns were produced for our entertainment. I did ask, later, how this was possible, having read about the "handgun ban" passed by the national government. It was explained that this is how it is done in Canada: the legislators get some silly notion, pass a silly law nearly everyone knows to be silly, and the (polite) majority simply ignore it until the politicians figure it out and repeal the silly law. It's the polite way to deal with oppressive governments, and I suppose the fact that the great "hand-gun turn in" resulted in a half dozen junky guns being collected was a clue to the government that enforcing this so called ban was probably a bad idea ;-). So long as everyone is polite (and understand the people remain armed) it seems to work out.
If you look at the inanity of most of the bills they vote on in Parliament it seems like gov't in Canada is mostly a make-work project. Value for taxes seems low to me. As for the "politeness", that always seemed relatively benign because there are so few of us, but the last two years revealed that the # of people who are happy to be/support the Stasi is quite large. Underneath the politeness I assumed an independence and resilience, but it is lacking. Perhaps too many people simply work for or are dependent on the gov't now. I blame the education system, but I'll leave that for when I write my own substack...
I thought that there were many rational Canadians who are quiet (and polite) so that we only notice the irrational rude ones who make a lot of noise. But I could be wrong.
Your point about education, for sure, is another lengthy discussion. The short version: government control of education is, in general, a bad idea. Even when it seems like a good idea at the time. In my youth, I had a history teacher who had us read the constitution, who lectured on the dangers of censorship (the problem being who gets to decide), and the importance of challenging the government (and how the provisions of the constitution are designed to protect that ability). That was the early 1970s.
Such a teacher would not be allowed today. He *might* get away with teaching kids to challenge "outsiders" not of The Party. But question the right of the government to control everything as he did, or even worse - challenge the power of The Party - by reading G. Washington's warnings about national parties to his class - well if he tried that today he'd be out.
I had thought the RCMP was such a "Fine Organization" too!......... until they showed their True Nature during The Covid "Insurrection."
and now in Uvalde Texas the shine is off their badges as well. Comrades, this isn't going to go well, it may perhaps end well, but Who can really fathom the future?
Look to the past for the path you have been on, and look to the stars to chart a new course. Do Both.
I like that "Comrade" touch; Such an affectionate term for The Peoples Republic of China's extension in Canada. and imminently the USSA.??? To Be Determined.
I've visited Montreal twice in the last 2 months and am headed back in July. Getting into Canada was little trouble, and for me (American citizen) leaving too was not a problem (other than sweating over the COVID test result for an hour or so and the prospect of spending an extra 5 days in isolation if it failed).
Are there restrictions that prevent Canadians from leaving the country?
Unvaccinated Canadians are banned from airplanes and trains. Further, the US government requires non-citizens to be vaccinated to enter. Unvaxxed Canucks are therefore unable to leave.
I feel like a lot of Americans don't even know about the entry rules. I have a mixed-citizenship marriage and last summer we were able to travel home to visit my family thanks to being married, while other mixed-citizenship couples were denied this simply due to lack of a marriage certificate. Now since November my hubby may not enter without a vax despite the universal requirement for air-travelers to present a negative PCR test. We have waited and waited for a repeal of this ridiculous requirement, but at a certain point if we want to go on vacation at all this summer we have to make a decision. So no family visit for me this year. I was raised with principles. If you feel so inclined, maybe contact your representatives. Someday this will all be over and America can stand proud that it did allow for free entry and egress of citizens, if nobody else, unlike the crazy Canadians. Fuck.
And yet,the /our current administration allows hordes of unvaccinated,undocumented, unvetted to cross our southern border. I'm thinking if you can just get here you wouldn't be thrown out...
Crossing the Canada-US border illegally is probably pretty straightforward. It's large and mostly open. The question then becomes, what next? An illiterate Oaxacan is obviously quite willing to work for $3 an hour while living 10 to a room in a crumbling tenement. Canadians have higher expectations, meaning they need visas to work in the US, meaning they need to enter legally.
I guess one option would be to go hell-for-leather, cross into Mexico, and ask for asylum. Chris@Karlstack is going for just that:
Unless of course you are a non-citizen presenting at the US southern border. Then we welcome you with open arms and a flight to the city of your choice....
It is just shocking. Really the only way to leave as an unvaxxed person is if you are rich. Get on your own or chartered plane and fly to Mexico? Sail your own boat from Canada, past the US to Mexico? So ridiculous. If I was unvaxxed in Canada, I would walk South. Take my chances in Idaho or Maine. Can't go to WA. They would return you to your captor.
This kind of travel is only possible if you are vaccinated. I am an American living in Canada, and I had to apply for a compassionate entry exemption from the Canadian government for my unvaccinated American mother to enter Canada in order to help me for the birth of my third child. And even with that, she was able to fly into Canada, but when it came time for her to leave, my vaccinated husband had to drive her across the land border into the US so she could fly home from a US airport since she was not allowed to board an airplane in Canada while being unvaccinated. Also, I was not allowed to drive her across the border because if I had, I would have had to quarantine for two weeks and test three times after re-entering Canada because I am not vaccinated. Canada is a prison for the unvaccinated. And they just voted in the House of Commons yesterday to continue these insane policies.
I should say I was not ‘able’ to drive her across. Technically, I am ‘allowed’ to. My children and I have already spent 6 weeks total in quarantine while being 100% healthy over the course of 8 months because of the Canadian re-entry rules for the unvaccinated.
In retrospect, I wish I'd visited before November. I didn't feel like spending 2 weeks in quarantine, and figured I'd just wait the bastards out.
It's a longer wait than I'd expected and at the rate things are going, I'm starting to suspect I'll have to wait until 2025 and the next election. At a minimum.
aren't you and John a pair on opposite sides of the border. there are so many of us suffering through this heartless situation. so many children who haven't seen extended family for half their lives, or a third. but human rights are only for the sheep I guess.
Not even for the sheep. They don't have human rights, they have livestock privileges. The moment they accepted the premise that it was acceptable for the state to demand they take an armful of mystery potion to travel (or enter a restauraunt, or work....), they traded inalienable rights for temporary permissions that can be revoked without notice or cause.
It is kind of crazy that citizenship or legal residency is secondary to vaccination status when it comes to the Canadian government these days! Glad to see they have their priorities straight. Ugh.
Since vaccination rates are so high here, I doubt most Canadians are aware that these restrictions are still in place. They aren’t affected by them at all.
I'm a first generation American, my dad is a Canadian who told me that he had the good sense to arrange his escape to America when he was 10 years old. He's 84 now and an American citizen. The only time he has been arrested was recently, when he traveled to Canada to go to the nearest Costco to his house and forgot he had a handgun in a duffle bag in the back of his pickup. Some freshly minted customs officer in bumfuck Alberta acted like he had caught a terrorist and cuffed him. A Mountie had to drive hours to deal with it and tried to talk the customs twerp out of the arrest but he would have none of that and insisted on keeping my elderly dad in custody. My dad eventually was released after getting a lawyer and paying a big fine. Lest you think it plausible that the agent thought my dad was smuggling a firearm to some criminal syndicate, the gun in question was a .22 rimfire derringer that you would have to put the barrel up against your target in order to hit it. Basically a total piece of crap.
Canadian customs officials are the worst sort of officious scum. There was an incident in BC years ago where someone got done up at the airport because they had a pendant in the shape of a pistol, which was apparently somehow threatening enough to justify an arrest.
see, that pisses me off. harassing your Pops at 84 years old and putting him in custody. That SOB customs officer. I would brand ASSHOLE on his forehead if given the chance.
Being a dirty unvaccinated American, who has traveled internationally with my unvaccinated husband and our unvaccinated kids, Covid taught me we need the 2nd amendment. In places in the US that boast more guns than people there were fewer restrictions, educated kids, and available jobs - which does save a lot of lives.
I’m fine with liability for those who actively enable dependent teenagers and young adults to access and store guns in their home with open access to them, just as I am with parents who knowingly let teenagers get hammered in their house then leave drunk driving s vehicle, but tyranny is far more lethal than gun violence over any mid to long term length of time.
The same people responsible for starving babies, masking toddlers, and promoting child sterilization and genital mutilation are offering to “keep us safe”? Um, no, I pass.
During Covid I went from supporting more gun restrictions to being a gun owner with a conceal carry opposing gun restrictions (but not the liability for adults who let kids live in their house with unfettered access to guns).
Same here. My hubby owns nice weapons. I’m getting lessons on safe use now. I have a FOID and we live in a conceal carry state. If I lived in a city I would carry absolutely.
Canada is the WEF and globalists' 'trial run' on what they want to do in every western country. Canada is the first but will not be the last to fall unless people resist.
It's the happily enjoying part that really gets to me. For a brief, glorious moment back in February I thought, ah hah, finally Canadians have had it! But nah. The majority were appalled that anyone would dare speak against the Safety State, and applauded when the boot came down.
Canadians have chosen slavery with smiles and open eyes, and they're getting it good and hard.
That's how it generally goes right...offer them that carrot, that utopia, rely on their ignorance and WOW have I found out that Canadians don't read. Get your information algorithmically fed to you and its easy to do. And some do see it but the dissonance is just to great. The implications of the "conspiracy lunatics" being right are too scary so they shut down and hide in their day to day routine. Nothing to see here, I'll eat my sugar riddled, testosterone reducing cake and beyond meat and look down on you from my false place of moral superiority. "Let them eat soy"
The media's endless lies showed how screwed we are. To be honest Canada was lost decades ago, it's a left wing gong show. And they never ever end well.
The whole F-15s vs AR-15s, 2A vs tyranny debate gets into the subject of the relationship between weapons technology and social organization. Battlefields dominated by expensive equipment tend to lead to more authoritarian, centralized power structures.
Right now 2A people are focused on firearms. They should be thinking more disruptively. Suicide drones is where it's at.
Agree. Many, gato included, insist on talking about 'guns' and the 'well armed militias' we've been drilled to cherish. Their 'arms' were muskets with a rip-roaring fire rate of one or two rounds per minute. Assault rifles today are over 700 rpm.
Today, 'arms' can be guns, chemicals, explosives, bacteria, drones, robots, computer code, and who knows what.
That's what the best-dressed militias of tomorrow will be wearing. They already are in some parts of the world.
I don't think the Framers or Founding Fathers had issues like this to grapple with. To persist in feeling that they were all-knowing and all-seeing is one of the great flaws of the American psyche.
At a later public trial held in 1722, a Puckle gun was able to fire 63 shots in seven minutes (approximately nine rounds per minute) in the midst of a driving rain storm.
Actually, I know about Puckle guns. Never were a serious factor in wars. Never achieved much popularity, except in 21st century video games. Mainly shows how humans have always been intent on improving ways to kill perceived enemies.
But you think the founders didn't know about them? You think they could only envision 1 or 2 shots a minute when they came up with the second amendment?
Truly doubt they were the omniscient visionaries they are often supposed to have been. Madison certainly wasn't. He was an intellectual, sure. Must brush up on him, but though he was the main force behind 2A, I think he originally opined that the Bill of Rights wasn't really necessary. Not sure, will check.
Yes, arms can be many things. The United States Supreme Court addressed, in the Heller decision, that "arms" includes anything that can be used in defense of self, family, community or country. This was read mostly as "legitimizing" that the right to bear arms is at it's core a right to self defense. Also, BTW, infringement via restrictions on ammunition, magazines and other essential parts of "arms" are clearly illegal.
BTW the "bigger gun" argument is, and always will be, wrong. A superior force is not created by numbers or hardware. Not alone. Had that been true 240 years ago we'd still be ruled by the crown of England (as would most of the world). We had neither numbers nor superior weapons. This pattern is repeated throughout history.
But the focus on things is all wrong. Mass murder isn't caused by things. It is caused by sickness and evil. More death can be caused by explosives than guns. The worst mass murders in modern US history used vehicles, explosives, or both. When he sickness and evil take over, the means will be found.
There has always been evil. But why, today, are there so many people who see the need to murder? When the NFA was passed in 1934 the number of school shootings was zero (likewise churches). Then, as now, the majority of homicide was associated with other crimes, usually "organized" (and in 1934 that organization had grown exponentially as a result of another federal ban of a thing, alcohol).
Instead of demonizing the obvious fact that THINGS don't commit murder, and ask WHY PEOPLE commit murder, we'll again have countless debates and pass new laws that will have no positive effect. Until we stop this madness and focus on the people, and specifically what is driving them to murder, we'll see more children die and more wasted lives.
I am at heart an optimist. I think we can find solutions if we can understand the problem. I know that it didn't used by be like this. I know there has always been evil in the world, bad people, and that is why we need good people willing to defend other good people. I'm sure, as Gato points out, creating "evil bastids are safe from credible resistance" zones has made things worse. If only to move into the target area the most vulnerable, kids, which makes the tragedy even more deep.
But at the core are the minds and hearts. In my youth, as so many of the same vintage have pointed out, firearms in schools were common - many kids learned to shoot early and practiced often, safely, and the presence of firearms in the school did not cause violence. Perhaps the values gained learning firearms safety and the responsibility gained was a key. Certainly my experience is people who understand being responsible for their own safety are less likely to commit murder ;-).
The biggest factor we can immediately focus on is psychotic drugs. A Midwestern Doctor on Substack covered that extensively last week. News rly 100% correlation between extreme drug use or sudden withdrawal and shooter events for all shooters where med use is availabe publicly.
You miss the point. Tyrannical governments want to control people. Using chemical weapons, nukes, etc is meant to destroy, not control. There are very few places in America where Chinese, or even Australian, style lockdowns ever could have happened. It’s hard to get police to enforce tyrannical demands that make people desperate when there is a good chance they’ll come across someone with nothing else to lose willing to take them out.
It’s not about winning a war against our elected government, it’s about controlling the amount of tyranny they could ever realistically enforce.
If I missed the point, it wouldn't be the first time ;-). Sort of a hobby of mine.
The demands of governments here in the US were pretty extreme, more so than I would have thought possible. What I witnessed was not just submission, but militant submission. The lock downs may not have been quite as extreme as Australia, but it was far more than I'd have predicted could be had if you'd asked me before 2020. I thought that there was limits even to Party Loyalty here in the US. I was (again) mistaken. If we're not as extremely subject as Australians yet, then, I now think the key word there is "yet". Sadly. 2020-22 has reset "the amount of tyranny the could ever realistically enforce" from where I sit, to a much higher level than what I thought was realistic 2.5 years ago. I hope I am wrong about that, but I'm not.
The "solution" it seems no matter what the problem is always the same: blame liberty, individualism, and assert that individual liberty is counter to the common good and must be eliminated. Again, in the wake of another tragedy, we're seeing the same, same, same litany. Instead of real solutions.
As noted many times on this forum, there was no science behind lock downs, and much evidence now of the harm done. Yet still I am astonished by the number of people who continue to insist that it was all essential.
And that is the real scary part: the mass of submission based on fallacies, driven by misplaced faith and loyalty to a political position. Not only did it happen, we can be assured it will happen again. That is really scary!
Millions of Americans don't need to be physically disarmed to be controlled. They have already been mentally disarmed. Far more effective. Without the will to react, well, thar's yur problem!
The lockdowns in extreme parts of Australia were more extreme than the extremes here. Factually. There was much higher vaccine compliance, despite the later release and knowledge of both harm and lack of effectiveness than there was here.
The US was the freest Western country on Earth during Covid.
Though I agree to being shocked by the level of compliance.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, though I don't quite agree.
All governments, bar none, want to exercise control over people. Perhaps overtly, more often surreptitiously. Whether they are tyrannical or not is a matter of perception. Gato has sometimes described Puerto Rico, where many absurd covid rules were aggressively enforced by police. But most people went along. Didn’t see it as tyranny.
If Australia’s government has been tyrannical (I think it has) the fact is that most Australians happily went along. And in the US, lockdowns, masks, vax coercion, happened in all but a handful of states. The people went along. There was some dissent, of course. But not massive dissent. Some folks saw it as incipient tyranny, but most didn’t. Just as most didn’t see the Homeland Security Act as incipient tyranny, although it sure looked like it.
Historically, truly tyrannical governments, with true despots leading them, aren’t intimidated by widespread dissent or even by widespread armed opposition. They’ll fight out a civil war, sometimes for decades. Mostly happens in third world countries.
In Western countries, governments come and go with elections. They have varying levels of corruption and authoritarianism. But their populaces don’t think of them as tyrants. In these countries, including the US, governmental behavior is not oriented by a fear of a well-armed militia. But by a deep seated fear of losing the next election.
You are simply wrong on the US. It wasn’t a “handful” of states that were over lockdowns by summer 2022 - it was 2 of the 4 most populated as well as the entire southeast and middle of the country along with half of NC and rural VA. Wether or not the state had a mask mandate, the same applied to compliance.
Vaccine passports were only a thing in a few places in the US, and unlike unvaccinated Australians, my unvaccinated family and I traveled throughout - including internationally on planes.
Our faux vaccine rate is lower than Australias, and we had them first with months longer when a lot of people thought they actually worked.
Hi - Don't recall mentioning the situation in 2022. My note just said:
‘And in the US, lockdowns, masks, vax coercion, happened in all but a handful of US states.’
This is quite true: 40 or so states had stay at home orders in the first months of the pandemic in 2020. All states had school closures. Almost all had bar/restaurant restrictions and closures of 'non-essential' businesses. It was Florida, in the second half of 2021, that was the first state to fully reopen. Even today, masks, vaxes and boosters are mandated here and there. For example at some universities.
As for international travel, until early 2022 it was severely restricted almost everywhere. In Europe, for example, for most of 2021 you couldn’t travel unless you had proof of vaccination + a negative PCR test. In a couple of UE countries, up to last month, incoming travellers still had to provide proof of vaxing or negativity.
In many countries, there were numerous dissenters. And many citizens were disgruntled, though they didn't actually dissent. But most people simply went along with whatever the government decided.
The founding fathers were never facing such an enemy either. What governments feel they can use to control the people has become far worse as well. I'll take the automatic weapons and hope the bubble breaks before one is inclined to use them.
I'm really stunned that he's still PM. I guess the majority of Kanuckians are okay with him? Sick. (PS: No offense intended to A LOT of Canadians who love freedom. I have made at least 10 trips to Canada to explore its amazing mountains. I won't be going again, however, maybe ever because I'm unclean, my blood unbesmirched by toxy Pfizer vaxxes.
I'm not even slightly surprised. The majority of Canadians were pretty far to the left as it was, and that was before they were locked in their houses and force-fed a diet of mass media fear porn.
To be fair, there are a significant number of Canadians who vote Conservative, but not nearly enough to take control of Parliament. Mass immigration and cultivation of client groups by the Liberal party has further disenfranchised any Canadians left with any sense.
Popularity is also more or less irrelevant in a British parliamentary system. He's got enough of an edge to take enough seats in Ontario, the Maritimes, and BC to hold onto the government, with the NDP making up the difference. The Conservatives are overwhelmingly popular in Alberta, but that dominance doesn't translate into a majority of seats. Since the NDP and Liberals agree on basically everything, the result is that conservative Canadians get exactly zero say in how their country is run, and Little Justin Trudeau gets to reign as emperor.
As for Sweden, they were largely protected by the sheer uncompromising autism of one man. Had Anders Tegnell not been running their pubic health authority, they'd have fallen in line as rapidly as anyone else.
Meanwhile, looking at anglosphere countries, the US is the only one that preserved any measure of liberty through all this. Not everywhere, really just in red states, which not coincidentally have widespread firearms ownership. Federalism and 2A made WEF tyranny a lot harder to implement in the US than it was in Canada, Australia, the UK, Ireland, or New Zealand.
Agree on federalism point. The US constitution is showing its chops since the main pushback against a Leviathan Federal Govt is State power and people are starting to use it.
There's a lot of difference between small, homogenous Nordic countries and the US, of course. Just don't see how guns stopped or even slowed-down COVID madness. I DO see, however, the need for firearm ownership when order was breaking down during the riots.
You figure the guns didn’t limit the insanity? Did you see a lot of camps being set up and folks being forced into them, like in Australia? Looked to me like guns stopped a shitload of the more egregious behavior tyrants were recommending.
Well I do know in Canada that what is deemed to be violence is in the eye of the authoritarian beholder —-Derailing trains and setting hundreds and hundreds of churches on fire and assaulting white people is a kosher protest, but standing in the street and honking your horn is a dangerous emergency requiring perpetrators & their supporters to have their bank accounts shut down, money confiscated, be trampled on by horses, and contemplate some jail time. Maybe more guns is the right idea.
Sweden, until uneducated, unskilled, misogynistic fundamentalist immigrants made it unfriendly for Swedish women. It bothers me that people leave a shit culture and then insist on shitting on the culture they chose to relocate to. At the root of this are elitist WEF policies dreamed up by fukjers who bear no responsibility for the outcome of their big dreams. Sorry for my french.
No fan of that. It’s honouring the country you left can you imagine if you started a new job and instead of promoting your current employer you promoted the one you quit. I don’t see a difference.
Up until a few weeks ago, you still had to check your temperature to enter the grocery store. You still get chased down if you try to walk by the hand sanitizer on the way in. Masks are still very prevalent (yesterday a guy got reprimanded by the security guard for having the mask below his nose in a store), but recently I've noticed that some people wait until the entrance of a store/restaurant to put them on to walk in and some restaurant servers have stopped wearing them.
But I could walk into any pharmacy and purchase ivermectin, HCQ, etc...
Yes they did. Where there were more guns than people there were far fewer restrictions. Aside from Sweden, the US was by far the freest western country during Covid, and one of the only that those of us who are unvaccinated continued to travel (including by air internationally), and live our lives. Several major woke banks are headquartered in NC - no vaccine mandates. In rural NC the schools opened in August 2020 along with my kids’ urban private school. The restrictions were far more oppressive in parts of the US where gun ownership is much lower, but homicides by guns much higher.
For all the masks shootings in the news they failed to mention half a dozen incidents across just NC where homeowners defended their homes against intruders in just the last month.
No country has ever tried to invade the US.
Guns send a message that did hold Covid insanity at bay, but more than that, if people are going to scream about defunding the police then I’m funding personal ownership of my own firearms to protect my family - hapless victim in waiting isn’t my personality type.
Did you notice how, whenever Truedix turned to 'thank the advocates for their tireless efforts,' they all looked around so nobody would think it was them? They eventually all settled on a blank spot in the crowd of masks behind 'dix. Canadians are a bunch of sitting gray jays. Good luck with that, eh?
No protests, no guns, high gas prices, food shortages and managing your speech? What could possibly go wrong....."The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle, hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or laborer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
I was a librarian for years. We had kids that would poop on the floor by the sinks for fun—until our director flung open the door one day yelling and catching them in mid—well you know what. The general public could be annoying. Very annoying.
“Shall not be infringed” is very clear. For those who don’t like the rules, there are plenty of options to move to a country where guns are either not legal for citizens to own or gun laws are incredibly restrictive.
cops should have to follow the same gun laws that average joes do. if sheriff bumfuck can have an armored vehicle with a 50 cal on it why can't i have a semiauto 223?
Yes, it is a good time to take a close look at how high regard the Trudeaus had for Castro, and his ‘ideology’ and compare to what is being implemented in canada. Cuba is a paradise for its citizens, right? Q: Are there any communist countries where a Family would endanger itsself to escape? A: yes, all of them. These socialist utopia‘s serve the elites at the expense of the citizens always. But I do see how the idea of an uprising appeals, when some of these elite fukjers need to be put down.
"But though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable; yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well digested plan should as soon as possible be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate size upon such principles as will really fit it for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan it will be possible to have an excellent body of well trained militia ready to take the field whenever the defence of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments; but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army; the best possible security against it, if it should exist.” - https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0186
If he believed the people are to be "little if at all inferior to [a standing army] in discipline and the use of arms", it also stands to reason he believed they should have arms little if at all inferior to said army. This was one of our founding fathers' greatest fears - that the government should turn on the people.
Joseph Story, a Supreme Court Justice from 1811 - 1845 (while some of the founders yet lived) in "A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution" wrote of the Second Amendment:
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offence (sic) to keep arms, and by substituting a regular army in the stead of a resort to the militia....The militia is the natural defence (sic) of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers.... The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms had justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpations and arbitrary powers of rulers; and it will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Private citizens could buy and own cannons at the time of the 2nd Amendment. The BAR and the Thompson machine gun could be purchased through the Sears mail order catalog up until 1934. Machine guns can still be purchased from collectors but only through a rigorous and expensive federal licensing scheme...
And when you think about how that scheme was enacted, who could afford the (as yet unchanged) $200 tax stamp when the NFA was put in place? Only the criminals. It has nothing to do with safety - it was making sure the government got its cut. Even today...how does paying $200 make it safer for someone to purchase a fully-automatic weapon, or even a suppressor for that matter, than if they didn't pay that tax?
Solid. The only thing I would say here is on the topic of the standing army. Pretty sure the founders would consider the DHS and the FBI (as they are currently used) to be a standing army. But hey, at least citizens are still not required to give them quarter. Love studying the federalist papers.
Don't get me started on "Assault Rifle", ... a video game term for anything that has a "dangerous looking shape" or something... and people get fooled by that, argh.
I know a gun nut and he opined that that term is a media term - but he's not from the Anglosphere so maybe it is.
BUT - the MSM and their zombies are calling *everything* that "looks scary" an "assault rifle", and the general populace somehow connects automatic weapons from computer games with that, at least that's what I saw again and again.
So to them, a AR-15 is one of those things out of Unreal Tournament or whatever kids play these days...
"this is why they choose extreme events like mass shootings in schools (and ignore mass shooting in neighborhoods where most occur)"
48 shootings, 9 dead in JUST Chicago over the long weekend. Where's Joe and Jill? Where's the media outrage? Where's the hand-wringing from idiot NBA coaches and sh*t-for-brains MLB managers?
So help me out here, up until Columbine I can't recall a single "mass shooting" that wasn't perpetrated by a governmental authority or quasi-governmental authority (say Pinkerton agents putting down a strike). Am I right? Or can anyone name one?
Don't take the lack of publicity/common knowledge for lack of occurrence.
Considering how ruthless government is, and the litany of atrocities we actually know about done by our own government upon our fellow citizens since the 1940s, is it really so implausible that these ruthless bastards would seek out people who have a lot of mental issues, arm them and push them to commit mass public murder with the aim to influence public opinion towards certain ends? (Not every such instance is instigated by such shadowy people, but it is quite like some have been)
In answer to your question, 1 August 1966 Charles Whitman climbed to the top of the UT Austin clock tower and began shooting people. Following the initial shock, citizens took deer rifles out of the trunks of their cars and began shooting back. This pinned him down long enough for three men to ascend the stairs to the top. A citizen took position at the door while two Austin cops went each way around the parapet. Whitman was engaged and killed by one of them.
Prior to the mid-90s, it was virtually unheard of, but something happened. The introduction of SSRIs into the school age population has been an absolute disaster. Nearly every school shooter, when we can get their medical records, has either taken or was taking SSRIs.
Now you will love this (facetious), with the introduction of the smart phone into our child population, the phenomena has grown even more.
Things active shootings have in common:
- Nearly 100% are conducted in gun-free zones.
- Every shooter that we can obtain medical records on have taken SSRIs at some point.
- Since roughly 2005, the shooters will advertise on social media, at least a month to a month and a half out, that they are going to do the act.
This one I had heard about, though I didn't know it went that far back. But you are on to my point. Something changed, radically. I know that SSRIs, while helpful in adults, are a mixed bag and not every drug works the same. There could be something to what you say. The one that makes me sad is your last point. It also makes me suspicious. We have so much surveillance, you can't tell me no one is seeing these posts. The local authorities, maybe not, but the national surveillance system? Of course they are. So are they incompetent or deliberately not mentioning it to local authorities?
Those are great questions. Consider that the Buffalo shooter had been conversing with an FBI agent for 3 months prior to committing his act. He discussed it in depth. There is suspicion that the Uvalde shooter was discussing his ideations with online entities that may have provided suggestions on how to carry them out. This is a red-pill rabbit hole that you may or may not want to dive down.
I've been teetering on the edge of that rabbit hole for a while now. Sometimes you just have to live as if what you suspect is true isn't really true or you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning.
Trudeau, yesterday, literally within hours: "lol no I'm not lifting the travel ban on the dirty unvaxxed with their unacceptable opinions, I'm going to keep them imprisoned in Canada thanks, also what do you need guns for lol".
come now comrade, we are nailing the doors and windows shut for your safety.
why would you feel a need for defense?
Canada's government is essentially the antagonist from Stephen King's Misery.
Great comparison-trudeau is nuts and needs to be run out of town. such an ahole.
But without the charm.
What is left out of the story is this is not the first total ban on hand-guns in Canada. Back around 2013 I was visiting Saskatchewan, working with a fine bunch of Canadians. One evening one of the fellows invited me to his "sporting club" to do some shooting (an indoor range, it being winter). A fine selection of handguns were produced for our entertainment. I did ask, later, how this was possible, having read about the "handgun ban" passed by the national government. It was explained that this is how it is done in Canada: the legislators get some silly notion, pass a silly law nearly everyone knows to be silly, and the (polite) majority simply ignore it until the politicians figure it out and repeal the silly law. It's the polite way to deal with oppressive governments, and I suppose the fact that the great "hand-gun turn in" resulted in a half dozen junky guns being collected was a clue to the government that enforcing this so called ban was probably a bad idea ;-). So long as everyone is polite (and understand the people remain armed) it seems to work out.
If you look at the inanity of most of the bills they vote on in Parliament it seems like gov't in Canada is mostly a make-work project. Value for taxes seems low to me. As for the "politeness", that always seemed relatively benign because there are so few of us, but the last two years revealed that the # of people who are happy to be/support the Stasi is quite large. Underneath the politeness I assumed an independence and resilience, but it is lacking. Perhaps too many people simply work for or are dependent on the gov't now. I blame the education system, but I'll leave that for when I write my own substack...
I thought that there were many rational Canadians who are quiet (and polite) so that we only notice the irrational rude ones who make a lot of noise. But I could be wrong.
Your point about education, for sure, is another lengthy discussion. The short version: government control of education is, in general, a bad idea. Even when it seems like a good idea at the time. In my youth, I had a history teacher who had us read the constitution, who lectured on the dangers of censorship (the problem being who gets to decide), and the importance of challenging the government (and how the provisions of the constitution are designed to protect that ability). That was the early 1970s.
Such a teacher would not be allowed today. He *might* get away with teaching kids to challenge "outsiders" not of The Party. But question the right of the government to control everything as he did, or even worse - challenge the power of The Party - by reading G. Washington's warnings about national parties to his class - well if he tried that today he'd be out.
I hope you are right and I am wrong. I might be in a bubble.
I had thought the RCMP was such a "Fine Organization" too!......... until they showed their True Nature during The Covid "Insurrection."
and now in Uvalde Texas the shine is off their badges as well. Comrades, this isn't going to go well, it may perhaps end well, but Who can really fathom the future?
Look to the past for the path you have been on, and look to the stars to chart a new course. Do Both.
I like that "Comrade" touch; Such an affectionate term for The Peoples Republic of China's extension in Canada. and imminently the USSA.??? To Be Determined.
Welcome to my nightmare.
I feel you bro. I'm Canadian too - living abroad, and haven't seen my family for almost two and a half years now.
I've visited Montreal twice in the last 2 months and am headed back in July. Getting into Canada was little trouble, and for me (American citizen) leaving too was not a problem (other than sweating over the COVID test result for an hour or so and the prospect of spending an extra 5 days in isolation if it failed).
Are there restrictions that prevent Canadians from leaving the country?
Unvaccinated Canadians are banned from airplanes and trains. Further, the US government requires non-citizens to be vaccinated to enter. Unvaxxed Canucks are therefore unable to leave.
In behalf of all sane Americans, I’m sorry about that idiocy.
Sympathy is nice. Armed invasion followed by deWEFication would be better. Plz hlp
I feel like a lot of Americans don't even know about the entry rules. I have a mixed-citizenship marriage and last summer we were able to travel home to visit my family thanks to being married, while other mixed-citizenship couples were denied this simply due to lack of a marriage certificate. Now since November my hubby may not enter without a vax despite the universal requirement for air-travelers to present a negative PCR test. We have waited and waited for a repeal of this ridiculous requirement, but at a certain point if we want to go on vacation at all this summer we have to make a decision. So no family visit for me this year. I was raised with principles. If you feel so inclined, maybe contact your representatives. Someday this will all be over and America can stand proud that it did allow for free entry and egress of citizens, if nobody else, unlike the crazy Canadians. Fuck.
And yet,the /our current administration allows hordes of unvaccinated,undocumented, unvetted to cross our southern border. I'm thinking if you can just get here you wouldn't be thrown out...
Crossing the Canada-US border illegally is probably pretty straightforward. It's large and mostly open. The question then becomes, what next? An illiterate Oaxacan is obviously quite willing to work for $3 an hour while living 10 to a room in a crumbling tenement. Canadians have higher expectations, meaning they need visas to work in the US, meaning they need to enter legally.
I guess one option would be to go hell-for-leather, cross into Mexico, and ask for asylum. Chris@Karlstack is going for just that:
https://karlstack.substack.com/p/fleeing-the-trudeau-regime
Unless of course you are a non-citizen presenting at the US southern border. Then we welcome you with open arms and a flight to the city of your choice....
Southern border
It is just shocking. Really the only way to leave as an unvaxxed person is if you are rich. Get on your own or chartered plane and fly to Mexico? Sail your own boat from Canada, past the US to Mexico? So ridiculous. If I was unvaxxed in Canada, I would walk South. Take my chances in Idaho or Maine. Can't go to WA. They would return you to your captor.
So would Maine.
Can someone explain what scientific or health benefit vaccination has for people on airplanes? Does the vax prevent transmission and infection?
1) No scientific or health benefit.
2) No prevention of transmission or infection.
Or you can go with Rochelle's bull.
They don't even bother to argue the point anymore.
This kind of travel is only possible if you are vaccinated. I am an American living in Canada, and I had to apply for a compassionate entry exemption from the Canadian government for my unvaccinated American mother to enter Canada in order to help me for the birth of my third child. And even with that, she was able to fly into Canada, but when it came time for her to leave, my vaccinated husband had to drive her across the land border into the US so she could fly home from a US airport since she was not allowed to board an airplane in Canada while being unvaccinated. Also, I was not allowed to drive her across the border because if I had, I would have had to quarantine for two weeks and test three times after re-entering Canada because I am not vaccinated. Canada is a prison for the unvaccinated. And they just voted in the House of Commons yesterday to continue these insane policies.
I should say I was not ‘able’ to drive her across. Technically, I am ‘allowed’ to. My children and I have already spent 6 weeks total in quarantine while being 100% healthy over the course of 8 months because of the Canadian re-entry rules for the unvaccinated.
In retrospect, I wish I'd visited before November. I didn't feel like spending 2 weeks in quarantine, and figured I'd just wait the bastards out.
It's a longer wait than I'd expected and at the rate things are going, I'm starting to suspect I'll have to wait until 2025 and the next election. At a minimum.
aren't you and John a pair on opposite sides of the border. there are so many of us suffering through this heartless situation. so many children who haven't seen extended family for half their lives, or a third. but human rights are only for the sheep I guess.
Not even for the sheep. They don't have human rights, they have livestock privileges. The moment they accepted the premise that it was acceptable for the state to demand they take an armful of mystery potion to travel (or enter a restauraunt, or work....), they traded inalienable rights for temporary permissions that can be revoked without notice or cause.
It is kind of crazy that citizenship or legal residency is secondary to vaccination status when it comes to the Canadian government these days! Glad to see they have their priorities straight. Ugh.
Not only did they vote to maintain the restrictions, they did so by a 2/3 majority.
Since vaccination rates are so high here, I doubt most Canadians are aware that these restrictions are still in place. They aren’t affected by them at all.
I'm a first generation American, my dad is a Canadian who told me that he had the good sense to arrange his escape to America when he was 10 years old. He's 84 now and an American citizen. The only time he has been arrested was recently, when he traveled to Canada to go to the nearest Costco to his house and forgot he had a handgun in a duffle bag in the back of his pickup. Some freshly minted customs officer in bumfuck Alberta acted like he had caught a terrorist and cuffed him. A Mountie had to drive hours to deal with it and tried to talk the customs twerp out of the arrest but he would have none of that and insisted on keeping my elderly dad in custody. My dad eventually was released after getting a lawyer and paying a big fine. Lest you think it plausible that the agent thought my dad was smuggling a firearm to some criminal syndicate, the gun in question was a .22 rimfire derringer that you would have to put the barrel up against your target in order to hit it. Basically a total piece of crap.
Canadian customs officials are the worst sort of officious scum. There was an incident in BC years ago where someone got done up at the airport because they had a pendant in the shape of a pistol, which was apparently somehow threatening enough to justify an arrest.
see, that pisses me off. harassing your Pops at 84 years old and putting him in custody. That SOB customs officer. I would brand ASSHOLE on his forehead if given the chance.
ugh, trudeau is such an ahole. when he looks in the mirror, his reflection depicts an actual anus, although he would never confess that.
Being a dirty unvaccinated American, who has traveled internationally with my unvaccinated husband and our unvaccinated kids, Covid taught me we need the 2nd amendment. In places in the US that boast more guns than people there were fewer restrictions, educated kids, and available jobs - which does save a lot of lives.
I’m fine with liability for those who actively enable dependent teenagers and young adults to access and store guns in their home with open access to them, just as I am with parents who knowingly let teenagers get hammered in their house then leave drunk driving s vehicle, but tyranny is far more lethal than gun violence over any mid to long term length of time.
The same people responsible for starving babies, masking toddlers, and promoting child sterilization and genital mutilation are offering to “keep us safe”? Um, no, I pass.
During Covid I went from supporting more gun restrictions to being a gun owner with a conceal carry opposing gun restrictions (but not the liability for adults who let kids live in their house with unfettered access to guns).
Same here. My hubby owns nice weapons. I’m getting lessons on safe use now. I have a FOID and we live in a conceal carry state. If I lived in a city I would carry absolutely.
You go girl!! Awesome 👏🏻
Canada is gone.
Yep. Canada is a twitching corpse being consumed by maggots. It breaks my heart.
CCP style governance, only with diversity and inclusion! What's the problem?
Canada is the WEF and globalists' 'trial run' on what they want to do in every western country. Canada is the first but will not be the last to fall unless people resist.
Australia and New Zealand are experimental subjects, too. But there's no question Canada has been taken further down the path than anyone else.
agree completely, there is no current recourse for Canadians. They are happily bent over and enjoying it
It's the happily enjoying part that really gets to me. For a brief, glorious moment back in February I thought, ah hah, finally Canadians have had it! But nah. The majority were appalled that anyone would dare speak against the Safety State, and applauded when the boot came down.
Canadians have chosen slavery with smiles and open eyes, and they're getting it good and hard.
That's how it generally goes right...offer them that carrot, that utopia, rely on their ignorance and WOW have I found out that Canadians don't read. Get your information algorithmically fed to you and its easy to do. And some do see it but the dissonance is just to great. The implications of the "conspiracy lunatics" being right are too scary so they shut down and hide in their day to day routine. Nothing to see here, I'll eat my sugar riddled, testosterone reducing cake and beyond meat and look down on you from my false place of moral superiority. "Let them eat soy"
The media's endless lies showed how screwed we are. To be honest Canada was lost decades ago, it's a left wing gong show. And they never ever end well.
only for now. no one lasts forever, not even the ahole poodeau
The whole F-15s vs AR-15s, 2A vs tyranny debate gets into the subject of the relationship between weapons technology and social organization. Battlefields dominated by expensive equipment tend to lead to more authoritarian, centralized power structures.
Right now 2A people are focused on firearms. They should be thinking more disruptively. Suicide drones is where it's at.
https://barsoom.substack.com/p/how-weaponry-organises-society
Agree. Many, gato included, insist on talking about 'guns' and the 'well armed militias' we've been drilled to cherish. Their 'arms' were muskets with a rip-roaring fire rate of one or two rounds per minute. Assault rifles today are over 700 rpm.
Today, 'arms' can be guns, chemicals, explosives, bacteria, drones, robots, computer code, and who knows what.
That's what the best-dressed militias of tomorrow will be wearing. They already are in some parts of the world.
I don't think the Framers or Founding Fathers had issues like this to grapple with. To persist in feeling that they were all-knowing and all-seeing is one of the great flaws of the American psyche.
"I don't think the Framers or Founding Fathers had issues like this to grapple with."
Then you need to do some more reading about available weaponry at the time of the founding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
At a later public trial held in 1722, a Puckle gun was able to fire 63 shots in seven minutes (approximately nine rounds per minute) in the midst of a driving rain storm.
Actually, I know about Puckle guns. Never were a serious factor in wars. Never achieved much popularity, except in 21st century video games. Mainly shows how humans have always been intent on improving ways to kill perceived enemies.
But you think the founders didn't know about them? You think they could only envision 1 or 2 shots a minute when they came up with the second amendment?
Truly doubt they were the omniscient visionaries they are often supposed to have been. Madison certainly wasn't. He was an intellectual, sure. Must brush up on him, but though he was the main force behind 2A, I think he originally opined that the Bill of Rights wasn't really necessary. Not sure, will check.
Yes, arms can be many things. The United States Supreme Court addressed, in the Heller decision, that "arms" includes anything that can be used in defense of self, family, community or country. This was read mostly as "legitimizing" that the right to bear arms is at it's core a right to self defense. Also, BTW, infringement via restrictions on ammunition, magazines and other essential parts of "arms" are clearly illegal.
BTW the "bigger gun" argument is, and always will be, wrong. A superior force is not created by numbers or hardware. Not alone. Had that been true 240 years ago we'd still be ruled by the crown of England (as would most of the world). We had neither numbers nor superior weapons. This pattern is repeated throughout history.
But the focus on things is all wrong. Mass murder isn't caused by things. It is caused by sickness and evil. More death can be caused by explosives than guns. The worst mass murders in modern US history used vehicles, explosives, or both. When he sickness and evil take over, the means will be found.
There has always been evil. But why, today, are there so many people who see the need to murder? When the NFA was passed in 1934 the number of school shootings was zero (likewise churches). Then, as now, the majority of homicide was associated with other crimes, usually "organized" (and in 1934 that organization had grown exponentially as a result of another federal ban of a thing, alcohol).
Instead of demonizing the obvious fact that THINGS don't commit murder, and ask WHY PEOPLE commit murder, we'll again have countless debates and pass new laws that will have no positive effect. Until we stop this madness and focus on the people, and specifically what is driving them to murder, we'll see more children die and more wasted lives.
You're asking the right questions. Sorry to say, I don't see anything stopping the madness. We've all watched it grow and grow over several decades.
I am at heart an optimist. I think we can find solutions if we can understand the problem. I know that it didn't used by be like this. I know there has always been evil in the world, bad people, and that is why we need good people willing to defend other good people. I'm sure, as Gato points out, creating "evil bastids are safe from credible resistance" zones has made things worse. If only to move into the target area the most vulnerable, kids, which makes the tragedy even more deep.
But at the core are the minds and hearts. In my youth, as so many of the same vintage have pointed out, firearms in schools were common - many kids learned to shoot early and practiced often, safely, and the presence of firearms in the school did not cause violence. Perhaps the values gained learning firearms safety and the responsibility gained was a key. Certainly my experience is people who understand being responsible for their own safety are less likely to commit murder ;-).
The biggest factor we can immediately focus on is psychotic drugs. A Midwestern Doctor on Substack covered that extensively last week. News rly 100% correlation between extreme drug use or sudden withdrawal and shooter events for all shooters where med use is availabe publicly.
You miss the point. Tyrannical governments want to control people. Using chemical weapons, nukes, etc is meant to destroy, not control. There are very few places in America where Chinese, or even Australian, style lockdowns ever could have happened. It’s hard to get police to enforce tyrannical demands that make people desperate when there is a good chance they’ll come across someone with nothing else to lose willing to take them out.
It’s not about winning a war against our elected government, it’s about controlling the amount of tyranny they could ever realistically enforce.
If I missed the point, it wouldn't be the first time ;-). Sort of a hobby of mine.
The demands of governments here in the US were pretty extreme, more so than I would have thought possible. What I witnessed was not just submission, but militant submission. The lock downs may not have been quite as extreme as Australia, but it was far more than I'd have predicted could be had if you'd asked me before 2020. I thought that there was limits even to Party Loyalty here in the US. I was (again) mistaken. If we're not as extremely subject as Australians yet, then, I now think the key word there is "yet". Sadly. 2020-22 has reset "the amount of tyranny the could ever realistically enforce" from where I sit, to a much higher level than what I thought was realistic 2.5 years ago. I hope I am wrong about that, but I'm not.
The "solution" it seems no matter what the problem is always the same: blame liberty, individualism, and assert that individual liberty is counter to the common good and must be eliminated. Again, in the wake of another tragedy, we're seeing the same, same, same litany. Instead of real solutions.
As noted many times on this forum, there was no science behind lock downs, and much evidence now of the harm done. Yet still I am astonished by the number of people who continue to insist that it was all essential.
And that is the real scary part: the mass of submission based on fallacies, driven by misplaced faith and loyalty to a political position. Not only did it happen, we can be assured it will happen again. That is really scary!
Millions of Americans don't need to be physically disarmed to be controlled. They have already been mentally disarmed. Far more effective. Without the will to react, well, thar's yur problem!
The lockdowns in extreme parts of Australia were more extreme than the extremes here. Factually. There was much higher vaccine compliance, despite the later release and knowledge of both harm and lack of effectiveness than there was here.
The US was the freest Western country on Earth during Covid.
Though I agree to being shocked by the level of compliance.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, though I don't quite agree.
All governments, bar none, want to exercise control over people. Perhaps overtly, more often surreptitiously. Whether they are tyrannical or not is a matter of perception. Gato has sometimes described Puerto Rico, where many absurd covid rules were aggressively enforced by police. But most people went along. Didn’t see it as tyranny.
If Australia’s government has been tyrannical (I think it has) the fact is that most Australians happily went along. And in the US, lockdowns, masks, vax coercion, happened in all but a handful of states. The people went along. There was some dissent, of course. But not massive dissent. Some folks saw it as incipient tyranny, but most didn’t. Just as most didn’t see the Homeland Security Act as incipient tyranny, although it sure looked like it.
Historically, truly tyrannical governments, with true despots leading them, aren’t intimidated by widespread dissent or even by widespread armed opposition. They’ll fight out a civil war, sometimes for decades. Mostly happens in third world countries.
In Western countries, governments come and go with elections. They have varying levels of corruption and authoritarianism. But their populaces don’t think of them as tyrants. In these countries, including the US, governmental behavior is not oriented by a fear of a well-armed militia. But by a deep seated fear of losing the next election.
You are simply wrong on the US. It wasn’t a “handful” of states that were over lockdowns by summer 2022 - it was 2 of the 4 most populated as well as the entire southeast and middle of the country along with half of NC and rural VA. Wether or not the state had a mask mandate, the same applied to compliance.
Vaccine passports were only a thing in a few places in the US, and unlike unvaccinated Australians, my unvaccinated family and I traveled throughout - including internationally on planes.
Our faux vaccine rate is lower than Australias, and we had them first with months longer when a lot of people thought they actually worked.
This guy says it WAY better than I could.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/thank-god-for-rednecks/
Hi - Don't recall mentioning the situation in 2022. My note just said:
‘And in the US, lockdowns, masks, vax coercion, happened in all but a handful of US states.’
This is quite true: 40 or so states had stay at home orders in the first months of the pandemic in 2020. All states had school closures. Almost all had bar/restaurant restrictions and closures of 'non-essential' businesses. It was Florida, in the second half of 2021, that was the first state to fully reopen. Even today, masks, vaxes and boosters are mandated here and there. For example at some universities.
As for international travel, until early 2022 it was severely restricted almost everywhere. In Europe, for example, for most of 2021 you couldn’t travel unless you had proof of vaccination + a negative PCR test. In a couple of UE countries, up to last month, incoming travellers still had to provide proof of vaxing or negativity.
In many countries, there were numerous dissenters. And many citizens were disgruntled, though they didn't actually dissent. But most people simply went along with whatever the government decided.
The founding fathers were never facing such an enemy either. What governments feel they can use to control the people has become far worse as well. I'll take the automatic weapons and hope the bubble breaks before one is inclined to use them.
Trudeau is such a dick. And a prick. I am rhyming today, booyah!!!
I'm really stunned that he's still PM. I guess the majority of Kanuckians are okay with him? Sick. (PS: No offense intended to A LOT of Canadians who love freedom. I have made at least 10 trips to Canada to explore its amazing mountains. I won't be going again, however, maybe ever because I'm unclean, my blood unbesmirched by toxy Pfizer vaxxes.
I'm not even slightly surprised. The majority of Canadians were pretty far to the left as it was, and that was before they were locked in their houses and force-fed a diet of mass media fear porn.
To be fair, there are a significant number of Canadians who vote Conservative, but not nearly enough to take control of Parliament. Mass immigration and cultivation of client groups by the Liberal party has further disenfranchised any Canadians left with any sense.
I heard his approval is 30%
He got / bribed the NDP to join him, though, so basically he has a whole other political party to do all his party does
If I understand it correctly
A bunch of assholes!!
That's correct.
Popularity is also more or less irrelevant in a British parliamentary system. He's got enough of an edge to take enough seats in Ontario, the Maritimes, and BC to hold onto the government, with the NDP making up the difference. The Conservatives are overwhelmingly popular in Alberta, but that dominance doesn't translate into a majority of seats. Since the NDP and Liberals agree on basically everything, the result is that conservative Canadians get exactly zero say in how their country is run, and Little Justin Trudeau gets to reign as emperor.
we are the pure bloods that are left, thank goodness we did not bend over to those who wanted to commit crimes against humanity.
And how have guns stopped the COVID insanity in the US? Answer: they haven't. The most sane place on earth was Sweden and the other Nordic countries.
Don't forget Belarus. Everyone always forgets Belarus.
As for Sweden, they were largely protected by the sheer uncompromising autism of one man. Had Anders Tegnell not been running their pubic health authority, they'd have fallen in line as rapidly as anyone else.
Meanwhile, looking at anglosphere countries, the US is the only one that preserved any measure of liberty through all this. Not everywhere, really just in red states, which not coincidentally have widespread firearms ownership. Federalism and 2A made WEF tyranny a lot harder to implement in the US than it was in Canada, Australia, the UK, Ireland, or New Zealand.
Agree on federalism point. The US constitution is showing its chops since the main pushback against a Leviathan Federal Govt is State power and people are starting to use it.
There's a lot of difference between small, homogenous Nordic countries and the US, of course. Just don't see how guns stopped or even slowed-down COVID madness. I DO see, however, the need for firearm ownership when order was breaking down during the riots.
Pubic health, I agree, is crucial.
LOL
that is bc you have so many vile schwab cronies in those countries. they all signed up to kiss schwab's dirty wrinkled ass.
You figure the guns didn’t limit the insanity? Did you see a lot of camps being set up and folks being forced into them, like in Australia? Looked to me like guns stopped a shitload of the more egregious behavior tyrants were recommending.
Well I do know in Canada that what is deemed to be violence is in the eye of the authoritarian beholder —-Derailing trains and setting hundreds and hundreds of churches on fire and assaulting white people is a kosher protest, but standing in the street and honking your horn is a dangerous emergency requiring perpetrators & their supporters to have their bank accounts shut down, money confiscated, be trampled on by horses, and contemplate some jail time. Maybe more guns is the right idea.
Remember the Biden Covid vax teams going door-to-door? Not in Tennessee, not allowed here.
Sweden, until uneducated, unskilled, misogynistic fundamentalist immigrants made it unfriendly for Swedish women. It bothers me that people leave a shit culture and then insist on shitting on the culture they chose to relocate to. At the root of this are elitist WEF policies dreamed up by fukjers who bear no responsibility for the outcome of their big dreams. Sorry for my french.
Before I left Southern California, there seemed to be far more Mexico flags around than US.
No fan of that. It’s honouring the country you left can you imagine if you started a new job and instead of promoting your current employer you promoted the one you quit. I don’t see a difference.
How much of the covid nonsense did and does Mexico have?
Up until a few weeks ago, you still had to check your temperature to enter the grocery store. You still get chased down if you try to walk by the hand sanitizer on the way in. Masks are still very prevalent (yesterday a guy got reprimanded by the security guard for having the mask below his nose in a store), but recently I've noticed that some people wait until the entrance of a store/restaurant to put them on to walk in and some restaurant servers have stopped wearing them.
But I could walk into any pharmacy and purchase ivermectin, HCQ, etc...
Yes they did. Where there were more guns than people there were far fewer restrictions. Aside from Sweden, the US was by far the freest western country during Covid, and one of the only that those of us who are unvaccinated continued to travel (including by air internationally), and live our lives. Several major woke banks are headquartered in NC - no vaccine mandates. In rural NC the schools opened in August 2020 along with my kids’ urban private school. The restrictions were far more oppressive in parts of the US where gun ownership is much lower, but homicides by guns much higher.
For all the masks shootings in the news they failed to mention half a dozen incidents across just NC where homeowners defended their homes against intruders in just the last month.
No country has ever tried to invade the US.
Guns send a message that did hold Covid insanity at bay, but more than that, if people are going to scream about defunding the police then I’m funding personal ownership of my own firearms to protect my family - hapless victim in waiting isn’t my personality type.
All of this makes too much good sense.
Did you notice how, whenever Truedix turned to 'thank the advocates for their tireless efforts,' they all looked around so nobody would think it was them? They eventually all settled on a blank spot in the crowd of masks behind 'dix. Canadians are a bunch of sitting gray jays. Good luck with that, eh?
Because no one wanted to be responsible for his attempt to share the accolades/blame for initiating a WEF policy.
"Guns should be heavily regulated and viewed as a sign of an unhealthy population if they are adopted widely, the potential for harm is too great"
-People who wanted you to lose your job for not accepting a novel leaky vaccine against COVID-19
No protests, no guns, high gas prices, food shortages and managing your speech? What could possibly go wrong....."The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle, hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or laborer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
George Orwell
Wow! Great find!
damn right and we will make sure it stays there. Do not tread on us.
Omg Trudeau needs to absorb this.
He would find Orwell's view unacceptable.
"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." - James Madison
Hahahaha the silencer for librarians!!!
They cracked me up too!!
That:)
Library fines WILL be enforced!
I was a librarian for years. We had kids that would poop on the floor by the sinks for fun—until our director flung open the door one day yelling and catching them in mid—well you know what. The general public could be annoying. Very annoying.
Yeah that was a good one lol
“Shall not be infringed” is very clear. For those who don’t like the rules, there are plenty of options to move to a country where guns are either not legal for citizens to own or gun laws are incredibly restrictive.
It really is that simple.
Or a state, like a federal govt is designed to operate. Or a state where only a doctor can kill babies but nobody can kill an intruder or enforcer.
Yep, if ya don't like it here, get out.
This:
"no government that possesses the agreement of the governed need fear an armed populace."
No person invited into my home need fear my arms...
If a government does not trust me enough to own guns, I do not trust that government enough to give them up.
I started working in a gun shop at 12 years old (not selling, just cleaning up) then spent most of the next 45 years in the gun industry.
I was never shot, nor did I ever shoot anyone else.
BUT, a drunk driver in a semi ran me over in 1980, crushed my
legs, took me three years to walk again,
I have been in pain, since 1980, and now can no longer work.
So , tell me Ms "Speaker of the House" how dangerous guns are, compared to your husband, (if the cops had not stopped him)
If the me of fifty years ago saw the me of now replying "damn straight" she'd believe in alien transfer of consciousness.
ME TOO!!!!
Corrupt government is always desperate to disarm its citizens
I guess the government could lead by example and have all the police and security details give up their guns first.
Only then will I even listen to gun control nuts.
cops should have to follow the same gun laws that average joes do. if sheriff bumfuck can have an armored vehicle with a 50 cal on it why can't i have a semiauto 223?
Justin Trudeau is doing what his daddy Fidel did in Cuba 🤦🏻♂️
Yes, it is a good time to take a close look at how high regard the Trudeaus had for Castro, and his ‘ideology’ and compare to what is being implemented in canada. Cuba is a paradise for its citizens, right? Q: Are there any communist countries where a Family would endanger itsself to escape? A: yes, all of them. These socialist utopia‘s serve the elites at the expense of the citizens always. But I do see how the idea of an uprising appeals, when some of these elite fukjers need to be put down.
“Armas para qué?”
Scary playbook to operate from...
Alexander Hamilton wrote in The Federalist #29:
"But though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable; yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well digested plan should as soon as possible be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate size upon such principles as will really fit it for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan it will be possible to have an excellent body of well trained militia ready to take the field whenever the defence of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments; but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army; the best possible security against it, if it should exist.” - https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0186
If he believed the people are to be "little if at all inferior to [a standing army] in discipline and the use of arms", it also stands to reason he believed they should have arms little if at all inferior to said army. This was one of our founding fathers' greatest fears - that the government should turn on the people.
Joseph Story, a Supreme Court Justice from 1811 - 1845 (while some of the founders yet lived) in "A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution" wrote of the Second Amendment:
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offence (sic) to keep arms, and by substituting a regular army in the stead of a resort to the militia....The militia is the natural defence (sic) of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers.... The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms had justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpations and arbitrary powers of rulers; and it will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Private citizens could buy and own cannons at the time of the 2nd Amendment. The BAR and the Thompson machine gun could be purchased through the Sears mail order catalog up until 1934. Machine guns can still be purchased from collectors but only through a rigorous and expensive federal licensing scheme...
And when you think about how that scheme was enacted, who could afford the (as yet unchanged) $200 tax stamp when the NFA was put in place? Only the criminals. It has nothing to do with safety - it was making sure the government got its cut. Even today...how does paying $200 make it safer for someone to purchase a fully-automatic weapon, or even a suppressor for that matter, than if they didn't pay that tax?
Solid. The only thing I would say here is on the topic of the standing army. Pretty sure the founders would consider the DHS and the FBI (as they are currently used) to be a standing army. But hey, at least citizens are still not required to give them quarter. Love studying the federalist papers.
Don't get me started on "Assault Rifle", ... a video game term for anything that has a "dangerous looking shape" or something... and people get fooled by that, argh.
Assault "weapon"; assault rifle is actually a valid armaments term...
I know a gun nut and he opined that that term is a media term - but he's not from the Anglosphere so maybe it is.
BUT - the MSM and their zombies are calling *everything* that "looks scary" an "assault rifle", and the general populace somehow connects automatic weapons from computer games with that, at least that's what I saw again and again.
So to them, a AR-15 is one of those things out of Unreal Tournament or whatever kids play these days...
"this is why they choose extreme events like mass shootings in schools (and ignore mass shooting in neighborhoods where most occur)"
48 shootings, 9 dead in JUST Chicago over the long weekend. Where's Joe and Jill? Where's the media outrage? Where's the hand-wringing from idiot NBA coaches and sh*t-for-brains MLB managers?
Rhetorical questions.
They have to pretend those shootings don't exist because it goes against their agenda.
So help me out here, up until Columbine I can't recall a single "mass shooting" that wasn't perpetrated by a governmental authority or quasi-governmental authority (say Pinkerton agents putting down a strike). Am I right? Or can anyone name one?
Luby's, 1991 IIRC
Don't take the lack of publicity/common knowledge for lack of occurrence.
Considering how ruthless government is, and the litany of atrocities we actually know about done by our own government upon our fellow citizens since the 1940s, is it really so implausible that these ruthless bastards would seek out people who have a lot of mental issues, arm them and push them to commit mass public murder with the aim to influence public opinion towards certain ends? (Not every such instance is instigated by such shadowy people, but it is quite like some have been)
I had not heard of this one. Thank you.
Eveñ Canada had them before Colombine https://canadaschools.wordpress.com/2017/11/20/deadly-school-shootings-in-canada-1975-2013/
For the sake of my own sanity, I will assume it is not, but I understand what you're saying.
In answer to your question, 1 August 1966 Charles Whitman climbed to the top of the UT Austin clock tower and began shooting people. Following the initial shock, citizens took deer rifles out of the trunks of their cars and began shooting back. This pinned him down long enough for three men to ascend the stairs to the top. A citizen took position at the door while two Austin cops went each way around the parapet. Whitman was engaged and killed by one of them.
Prior to the mid-90s, it was virtually unheard of, but something happened. The introduction of SSRIs into the school age population has been an absolute disaster. Nearly every school shooter, when we can get their medical records, has either taken or was taking SSRIs.
Now you will love this (facetious), with the introduction of the smart phone into our child population, the phenomena has grown even more.
Things active shootings have in common:
- Nearly 100% are conducted in gun-free zones.
- Every shooter that we can obtain medical records on have taken SSRIs at some point.
- Since roughly 2005, the shooters will advertise on social media, at least a month to a month and a half out, that they are going to do the act.
This one I had heard about, though I didn't know it went that far back. But you are on to my point. Something changed, radically. I know that SSRIs, while helpful in adults, are a mixed bag and not every drug works the same. There could be something to what you say. The one that makes me sad is your last point. It also makes me suspicious. We have so much surveillance, you can't tell me no one is seeing these posts. The local authorities, maybe not, but the national surveillance system? Of course they are. So are they incompetent or deliberately not mentioning it to local authorities?
Those are great questions. Consider that the Buffalo shooter had been conversing with an FBI agent for 3 months prior to committing his act. He discussed it in depth. There is suspicion that the Uvalde shooter was discussing his ideations with online entities that may have provided suggestions on how to carry them out. This is a red-pill rabbit hole that you may or may not want to dive down.
I've been teetering on the edge of that rabbit hole for a while now. Sometimes you just have to live as if what you suspect is true isn't really true or you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning.