I do not believe that Leftist hostility to Israel is even primarily about a concern for the Palestinian people. The real driver is to signal that your narcissistic (and privileged) little wonderful self is ever on the side of 'the oppressed'. To these people 'oppression' is a shallow abstraction that serves to inflate their personal vanity as one of the good guys. This poisonous vanity has been pouring out of Western academia for decades. I still remember the drug-addled anti-Zionist 'sit-in' at my UK university in 1972.
It's also not thinly veiled by the democrats and the youngins see and hear them supporting "Palestine"..they see them flying the Palestinian flag. Oac, Rasheed and that lady that married her brother are all anti Israel. Obama was as well. Regardless of what he spouts every now and then to the contrary. When these young numbskulls see their political heros hate on Israel, they follow suit
In the 1970's, the North Vietnam General Giap said to Arafat: ‘Stop talking about annihilating Israel and instead turn your terror war into a struggle for human rights. Then you will have the American people eating out of your hand.’
They all feel guilty that they, too, are “settler/colonialists” (but not really inclined to give back the land and leave), so they assuage themselves by criticizing Israel and demanding that Jews stop oppressing Arabs.
People’s priorities for the most part are misplaced. They would rather have more material things than care for their child. A new phone. A bigger TV. A new pair of shoes every other week. A vacation in the Caribbean.
I know people who were paying as much for daycare as they were bringing home in pay. Why not just stay home? It’s the Left’s vilification of motherhood. They tell women they are nothing if they don’t have a job outside the house.
I work in Toronto with many Persian, Indian, Pakistani people. They still bring up their children the old way. Their kids are far superior to the Canadian kids with the lazy parents and daycare.
Yes! That’s literally the definition of “scapegoating” -- we attribute all our own sins to the goat; then we kill the goat, and all our sins are expiated! No need to actually do something concrete, like *ahem* say... change our own sinning behavior...no...just pin it on the goat.
Copy/paste from Keith Woods on Twitter. What he writes is 100% fact...not really debatable. I’m very far to the right and I would be accused of “hostility” toward Israel.
facts so far:
1. For 17 years, the people of Gaza have lived under an illegal blockade. Half of the population are children. Over 90 percent of the drinking water is contaminated. Over half the population are unemployed. Over half the population are considered refugees. Most are descendants of refugees who fled during the Nakba - Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
2. Over the course of years Israel has refused offers of a truce in exchange for lifting the blockade, which is an illegal form of collective punishment under international law. David Cameron, when he was prime minister of the UK, said the blockade had turned Gaza into "a prison camp".
3. Last week, people of Gaza broke out of the world's largest concentration camp and launched an attack on Israel.
4. There is still no evidence of the claim of 40 beheaded babies, the mass rave slaughter, or the attack aiming to target civilians. The original source for the 40 beheaded babies claim was a radical settler who has advocated genocide of Palestinians. We have been given an alleged picture of the charred remains of a baby by the Israeli government. We do not know how or where this baby died. Stories of atrocities were reported on uncritically by the mainstream media across the West.
5. Israel's defense minister said they were fighting "human animals" and cut off all water, electricity, fuel and food into Gaza. At the same time, Netanyahu told the Israeli people to prepare for a long war, meaning Israel intends to starve Gaza's civilian population of essential supplies for a long time. Collective punishment is a war crime.
6. Norman Finkelstein, the world's foremost expert on the Israel/Palestine conflict, said he believes the denial of food and water to Gaza, and the promise of a long war, constitutes the beginning of a genocide against the people of Gaza.
7. An elected member of the Israeli ruling party called for a "second Nakba" on the Palestinians. Another member of the Israeli Knesset said there are "no innocents in Gaza", and advocated "flattening" it. The Israeli President said tonight that there are no innocent civilians in Gaza: "It's an entire nation out there that is responsible".
8. Israel killed hundreds of civilians in a terror bombing campaign and dropped outlawed white phosphorus on the densely populated Gaza strip. Medics in Gaza say ambulances and health facilities have been targeted by IDF missiles.
9. After 6 days of bombardment, over 300 thousand people had been left homeless, and over 1,500 Palestinians dead. As of the latest reports, about 600 children have been killed.
10. Last night, Israel gave over 1 million people a days notice to evacuate half of Gaza, intending to flatten the area in a ground invasion. There is credible video evidence that Israel did not respect it's commitment to avoid bombing the main roads used for evacuation, and bombed a truck carrying dozens of civilians.
11. Tonight, Israel announced it would cut off the internet from Gaza, meaning the horrors it is about to enact on the population will be hidden from the world.
These are facts. If you state them, you will be accused of defending terrorism, or being antisemitic, but they are the facts.
When talk of collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and outright genocide are being normalised among supposedly respected voices, we should be very skeptical of narratives being presented to us by the same people.
muslims have been in miserable camps in bangladesh for 50 years, long before the current rohingya camps there, and nobody gives a damn. especially not the bangladeshis now protesting against israel.
Your assumptions are not facts. Are you ignorant that it was the Israeli government that recruited Jeffrey Epstein to run his pedo island and financial crimes in their service? Funny how you just ignore the level of depravity that is required to use child abduction and rape for political ends.
Your reasoning is compelling and no doubt accurate with one exception.
The Arabs in Gaza to a much greater extent than you seem to believe, support terror. It’s not new. Pogroms against Jews in Israel have.been going on since well before Israel’s statehood.
Yes! My husband and I once had dinner at the home of a Palestinian family. They were very hospitable and we had a lovely time (other than none of the women in the family participated). After dinner, we were chatting and I asked them what they were doing in America. Without losing a beat, one of the men responded " Have as many children as possible and then go back to Palestine and throw all the Jews in the ocean." OK, then....
They’ve been chanting, “Death to Israel,” for so long, the phrase is never highlighted in the press. Remember, it’s right in the Hamas charter, and Hamas IS Gaza...
It it is okay for Israelis to call for the death of Palestinians? I’ve seen interviews of the public in Israel of this. As if June, 27 children had been killed by Israeli soldiers this year, the youngest just two years old. Where was your outrage then?
Have you ever seen any Israeli dance in the street and hand out candy when a Palestinian is killed? No. Have you ever seen the Israelis cut babies heads off and light people on fire? No.
Israel supplies medical care to Palestinians, water and electricity. Do you think Palestinians would do that for Jews? No. If individual Israelis after an atrocity call for revenge, it’s understandable. I think the children should stop throwing bombs and attacking Israelis.
Dancing in celebration of deaths of Palestinians? Absolutely. They held arrived on hillsides overlooking Israel’s last bombardment of Gaza. Cheering for every bomb.
Yes, they are doing it yet again as we speak, using bunker buster bombs. And, please show me your footage of Palestinians doing this? It is yet another lie by the genocidal Israeli government.
"Have you ever seen the Israelis cut babies heads off and light people on fire? No."
In fact haven't seen anybody do it, as much as I didn't see WW1 germans bayonet babies or cut nurses' hands. Anglos lie all the time. Israelis are their worthy heirs.
It is a shame Americans chose George W Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, who all supported mayhem in the ME. So clearly, you think in Laden justified in attacking us, right?
It is a shame Israelis have chosen Netanyahu’s Likud extremists, and, using your morals, this justifies their extermination. You are so blinded by your hatred you have lost your critical thinking ability.
The Hamas takeover of Gaza is a relatively new thing. The PLO recognized Israeli sovereignty in the ‘90s and has controlled the West Bank in relative peace ever since...
Ah, so you ascribe to Osama bin Laden’s argument that the people are collectively guilty for the criminal acts of their governments. So, in that case you’d be supportive of acts of terror against Israel, since their government is guilty of many atrocities. I don’t believe in collective guilt. 45% of the people voted against Hamas, it their innocence is irrelevant in your logic. About 50% of Americans voted against Joe Biden, yet in your logic we are all guilty of his crimes. That is a sick mentality.
Hamas was voted in around 2008 because Fatah was horribly corrupt. That was not the result that Israel/USA wanted so they started the blockade and things have gone downhill since.
Netanyahu is on record as stating that Hamas coming to power was desirable to prevent a Palestinian state. Funny how his and other leaders support for Hamas is conveniently ignored in the list for yet another war.
Perhaps societal divides in the Arab world closely resemble the groupings in the West. Perhaps a significant majority of the citizenry simply want to be "left alone", to live their lives, raise their families, and pursue their dreams.
But in the Arab world, as in the ostensibly “more civilized” West, a small, very small, very vocal minority, are adamant that they, as the natural arbiters of all that is holy, are the *only* ones competent to direct society in the "right" direction. Strangely, the (usually) self-appointed leaders of these vocal minorities are often forced to live in five-star hotels, or in gated and guarded 'compounds', with their armies of servants and bodyguards. Wherein they work diligently, for generations, to subvert the mechanisms of government; to control and direct *ALL* public discourse.
And we let them! Hell, we enable them. Because, of course, we “just want to be left alone”.
Do we suffer from stupidity, terminal complacency - or a death wish? Or all of the above?
We want things to be “normal”, meaning peaceful. Unfortunately our idea of normalcy is not congruent with reality, which is that mankind is violent, and will use whatever means is at their disposal to achieve their objective. If the aspiring miscreant recognizes that a target is soft, it’s an easy decision for the the I indoctrinated fanatic who has no respect for those who are not his fellow travelers . If the target is hardened then it’s a deterrent. But if you have religious fanatics who buy into the afterlife as a reward for their actions in the name of their God while on Earth, who are fed a steady diet of hatred, whose family will get blood money after they commit crimes against humanity, you end up with atrocities. Islam of course is not the only religion that has produced monsters, but it is the one producing most of them in the 21st century.
Does the BLM / squad wing of the Democrat party control 56% of Congress? Because Hamas controlling 56% of the Palestinian parliament is a heck of a lot for such an extreme faction.
It suggests that the baseline "man-on-the-street" attitude towards this conflict in Gaza and Ramallah is a lot spicier than the average mood on the average Norwegian street. Demographics is destiny.
That being said; yes, the heinous details and timing of this attack suggest that it was Hamas' paymasters in Tehran who desired (and benefit from) these events, not the average Arab on the street. The average Arab on the average Gaza street is, sadly, royally screwed.
The other Arab nations don’t want the Palestinian Arabs for a number of reasons. They won’t even let them evacuate the war zone. And the Palestinian Arabs don’t want peace. Everything is designed to make these people into martyrs and to make Israel look bad when there are reprisals for terror attacks. 🤷🏼
All great points El Gato. I’m curious though why are we not discussing the elephant in the room? The fact that one of the most secure and surveilled borders in the world just happens to miss dudes with guns on paragliders cruising into Israeli airspace ? Which leads me to consider #1. Authorities knew it was happening and orders were given to stand down and let it happen. Or 2. None of this has happened as we are told. Something happened yes. I’m also a bit surprised that you are not discussing how conveniently the videos of Shani Louk jiggling before the camera followed the video of her abduction. So instant . So timely. So emotional. The video theater smacks of Chinese citizens falling over in the street while hazmat suited medics pack them into ambulances . It’s off.
Excellent question, excellent point! based on the events of the last several years and the lies we have been told by our govt and media, why are we just accepting this narrative at face value? I suspect option #2 - none of this happened as we were told.
Israel had all kinds of eyes on this area for 10 days beforehand… Watch MonkeyWerks on YouTube. Did they let it happen or was there a traitor in their midst? So many layers to all of this… 🧐
My, British, understanding is that radar was installed just before Pearl Harbour was attacked, saw the Japanese planes but was told to ignore as they were only US trainers.
Also that FDR was told by UK that it was coming and he ignored it, officially. Though maybe that is why none of the aircraft carriers were in port when the attack happened.
It's probably the same thing that causes 9 out of 10 security "probes" at US airport security points to miss the fake, gun, bomb etc. Laziness, boredom, routine.
From what I’ve gathered, watching foreign press reports (our own press is fairly worthless at this point in history), the Israelis were relying a whole heck of a lot on some pretty fancy schmancy technology on that fence, which was short circuited and defeated by Hamas. It was also a major holiday that fell on Shabbat. If the Israeli people had been permitted to have weapons without jumping through a million gun control hoops, the outcome might have been a little different.
As they say, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
So, if one lets terrorists operate out of their proverbial house, they shouldn’t be shocked when the authorities come down on them and theirs, like a ton of bricks.
This whole idea that is running amok on the Internet, that Gazans are not associated with Hamas and are in fact being oppressed by them (Hamas was elected after all, and NPR [of all rags] published a piece in 2021 that they would hold a majority in palestinian parliament if an election is ever held again) is questionable to me. It smacks of the same Leftist nonsense that gets bandied about when talking about almost any minority group- that they are just incapable of dealing with anything on their own which is why they need a snowflake savior to come in and help them out. You all know what I’m talking about. I guess it never occurred to them that the majority of palestinians approve of Hamas. That’s a problem isn’t it?
When you allow evil to operate in your backyard, you are probably going to wind up getting hurt. But that’s what happens when people hate other groups so much that they sacrifice themselves and even their own children, rather than live in peace with the group they hate. This is not confined to this conflict. It’s present in almost all conflicts.
As an aside, on the Left it is unacceptable to “hate speak” towards some groups, but Jews, rednecks, and old people are fair game. I believe that’s called hypocrisy.
I think this is an important point. Hamas isn’t just a random group in the state, they currently are of the elected government. If the Republican Party decided it was going to launch a raid into Mexico along these lines, I would rather expect the government to arrest those involved and do what it could to fix the situation. Doing nothing implies it supported the act. And if the citizens continued to support the government, then they also support it. Not all, but then any group has differences, that’s the key problem with collective state action.
Your analogy is wildly off here and inappropriate. The nearer analogy in the U.S. would involve say a Native American tribe on a reservation over a century ago revolting against the state govt and wildly slaughtering innocent U.S. citizens who had more rights and freedoms within their state/region. But even then, the analogy is only slightly better and has little to do with the Israel/Palestine situation. But let's say it was a faction of this particular tribe who had gained authority over time that simply took matters into their own hands at the expense of the people they supposedly represent. They would have to do it in secret because they wouldn't have wide approval of such a suicidal action. We have no way of knowing how many Palestinians knew of this plan and supported this or not, but I think it's safe to say that citizens who could be in the know (who are not soldiers/militants) would in no way support what they could easily see could cause their own slaughter due to a predictable retaliation.
So glad to find someone who applies critical thinking. After 9/11 which I bought into completely, and slowly learned how I’d been duped, I am not fooled again. It’s been so utterly transparently a planned event. They have just recycled the same slogans from 9/11. How can people who just witnessed the Covid lies and crimes can believe anything their governments tell them baffles me. Israel was one of the worst during the pandemic, but we should just trust them now? It is sickening.
I don’t know about this. A journalist in Palestine was interviewing people in a hospital and I listened to a random civilian woman sternly instruct her young sons (after scrambling for cover from an air raid) “your brother is a martyr. Don’t cry.” These children are trained from birth to welcome being martyred in the quest to kill Jews. Native Americans love(d) their children far too much to spend a century doing nothing but banging on about “killing the colonizers”. The Palestinians seem to largely support Hamas. The Hamas charter has never been a secret.
I don’t believe in the notion of “voice of the nation” or anything like that, but at some point you have to deal with a nation or state as a nation or state. Where do you draw the line on who to deal with as the head of state bif not “their official elected government “?
But who 'elected' them? I'm just saying the official elected whatsit may have not been elected by any will of the people, but selected by outside powers, financial sponsors, or trade groups. Personally I think every president elected since the 2000s at least has not been the will of the people...even Trump. But they needed him to play his role as well.*
Maybe I'm too kind, but as a long time observer of current events, I don't trust elections anywhere at this point and I don't blame populaces of countries for them. They are being played. Like we are.
*Part of that was kneecapping Hillary. Which was fun to watch, I gotta admit.
So again, where do you draw the line? If you are in Israel’s shoes and have to deal with the Palestinians in Gaza, who do you deal with? Hamas is their official government party in power. Maybe there is someone else you have in mind?
This is the most critical point that few are acknowledging. They aren’t just a political extremist group, but a religious group bent on terrorizing innocent people and inflicting death and physical harm to their enemy as directed by the Quran. Maybe it’s not PC to say this as Americans can no longer identify Muslim extremists as terrorists.
The 'Palestinians' are muslims. They believe in the quran. They believe that they should strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. The beliefs of muslims are carried out by their jihadists. Hamas are the jihadists of 'Palestine'.
It's hopeless. Just reading through this article and most of the replies makes me realize that even those who saw through the Covid scam have fallen for the mass media version of events, with no research, background knowledge or any semblance of informed geopolitical analysis. How about getting a bit educated by listening to people who know exactly what's been happening behind the scenes in that region, like say ex-MI6 and British diplomat Alistair Crooke instead of spouting off half cocked willy nilly variations of what they've been fed by mass media.
They may not be targeting them (ha), but those folks cannot help be killed and maimed by the Israeli weapons that are very powerful. But, what the heck, let's just starve them for a couple weeks. Water, what water?
The Israelis gave them warning, asked northern Gaza residents to leave so that they didn't harm them, so they could avoid being injured or killed. That's more than Hamas did for the people they raped and murdered who were just minding their own business. The difference is stark. If your moral compass is so off that you can't figure this out, I can't help you.
If you don't know right from wrong, I can't help you.
Do you realize you are defending behavior that is barbaric?
Do you want to defend savages who deliberately exterminate babies, families, the elderly because of their religion? I won't help you with that.
That is just more standard issue Leftist gobbledygook. Microaggressions, othering, other vague straw man neologistic violations against carefully curated victim groups. If you need to resort to this kind of phony pseudoacademic lexicon of victimhood to rationalize your opinions, they aren't very good opinions. If you can't speak plainly it's because your ideas suck.
Me: They are burning peaceful civilians alive and murdering babies.
You: Othering is necessary in order to dehumanize and justify murder on a massive scale.
Obviously, Hamas knew what the response from Israel would be. So what was the purpose of their attacks? Some claim it was to derail the Saudi-Israeli agreement and thereby support Iran.
As far as the support from Americans for Hamas and/or the people of Gaza and/or the Palestinians, my concern is that those protestors (idiots though they may be) will be told to shut up. We just went through that crap with Covid. I truly believe that Voltaire was right. Nobody should have to shut up. They do need to debate the issues in a public discourse so the issues can be aired.
i think it may stem from the overeducated 'elite' class, a perversion of noblesse oblige. the idea that minorities struggle because they are smart/rich/educated enough. and so their continued lording over the unwashed masses is justified.
They’ve conveniently discarded the obligation to serve the common man, but retained the perks of upper crust life. Our society expects nothing from its elites other than narcissism, ostentatious displays of wealth, and condescension. In Israel the best and brightest fight the necessary wars and are patriots. Here they start unnecessary wars and undermine society.
Thanks for the insight. I had thought of Hamas somewhat like I think of antifa here in Toronto, an irritating, yet somehow powerful violent movement of stupid, entitled young people that doesn’t reflect the point of view of most of the residents. And add properly chromosomed women to that group the left is allowed to hate speak ---- a despicable ultra minority helping to garner honour and resources for a select few at the expense of the many. I had no idea, Hamas, was a part of the elected government.
However, it also puts a spotlight on Israel because there's 'cui bono' there too. Would Israel sacrifice it's own people for a certain goal? No more, no less than any other government. Oh, and remember that even after the holocaust, they gave up their own people to pfizer.
Then there is the whole issue of an emerging multi polar world and how the middle east fits in.
We're in a state that is too complex to blame current events on evil Hamas or Arabs hating Jews as the only driving motive.
Exactly. Thank you . Govt rarely represents its people these days. They don’t give fks. It’s fascinating to me how people are willing to treat Israeli govt as if it’s the one exception to the rule.
There are a lot of questions that need to be answered about the attack....especially on the side of the Israeli government....so many things do not not fit. And yes, you are right about the maniacs that made Israel Pfizers's baby...that made me extremely suspicious. I so wish my ex-husband was still alive...thank the good lord he escaped all things Covid. ..he was a very sceptical Israeli, and would have had lots to say about what happened concerning their government. My children have family in Tel Aviv, and we are all more than horrified.
They clearly were trying to sacrifice them in whole through their secret contract with Pfizer and immediately pushing the "green passport". I think many Israelis have woken up to a huge betrayal within their govt.
The F16's were all on exercises during 9/11. Just like the Israeli border defense was 'ineffective'. Not many people believe that a government would have allowed, or most likely planned and carried out 9/11. Most everyone believed Iraq had WMD's. Those same people most likely still don't believe the whole covid thing was because of an engineered virus and planned countermeasures. A whole bunch of people are banging on that this is all about some fanatic religious people wanting to glass some other fanatic religious people.
This is human sacrifice, producing maximum 'shock and awe', conditioning people ready for a big manipulation. Exactly like the last time, and the time before that. It's written in all the things that 'don't add up'. Trust your gut, look for bigger picture.
Gaza has been under siege since 2007, had a massive nonviolent March of Return and the world failed to notice. Trump made peace deals normalizing relations with Israel and Arab countries completely ignoring the Palestinian genocide issue. So, whether this is a plan for Iran, a false flag of the Netanyahu government or something else, it is true that Israel is the source of terrorism in the region and Israel uses the Holocaust Narrative to get away with genocidal atrocities over decades. So, there are no good cards for Palestinians to play as long as people are willing to let the Jewish supremacists do all their thinking for them. So sit there in safety with electricity and water and food and judge away. And what a coincidence, it takes zero courage to slander Palestine supporters. Please go and study the honest history of this conflict before commenting on it further.
One side murders infants on purpose and brags about it. The other does not.
You are siding with rapists, torturers and child-murderers.
Why? Are the "historical reasons" or the well-documented crimes of jewish settlers or the hypocrisy of the apartheid state of Israel equivalent to murdering infants in your eyes?
Israel murders infants on the regular. Right now in broad daylight. Cutting off power, food, fuel and water to nearly 2 million ppl of average age of 18. Bombing whole apartment buildings. Hmmm.... what will that do? One of their officials calling them animals. But if your Zionist overlords tell you not to notice, I guess you look away. Try reading some independent media sources like alethonews. Read the work based on declassified documents by Illan Pape. Don't be a volunteer tool. When your position ends up serving neocon interests, take a closer look just in case you are being used for a fool.
the US 'pro-Israel' media tells you that (one side) murders babies, etc etc - do you believe everything you read from the US (pro-etc) media?? You still believe, for instance, those f***ing Iraqis threw babies out of incubators, etc??
We'll see how the murdered infants stories stand up I suppose - they could be another 'Babies torn from incubators' or viagra-troop story, but could be true I suppose.
You’re kidding, right. Israel is super nice to Palestine, they never harm even one person! In fact, I’m sure lots of people believe this because there are plenty of Jews who consider Palestinians lower than animals.
In Sweden, moslem arab men commit more than 50% of all rapes, targetting swedish women and especially minors, despite being fewer than 10% of the male population.
By the logic of those relativising Hamas' actions with well-known historical crimes committed by israeli jewish settlers, police and military - us swedes are therefore /by your logic/ authorised and morally justified in committing ethnic cleansing and killing any arab moslem man we suspect.
By your own logic, you must either agree with this or acknowledge that your reason and arguments are based solely on the races/cultures invloved and that you are therefore in fact racists, or acknowledge that all persecuted and historically victimised populations have the right to vengenance in perpetuity.
If the latter, and if you're an american of non-indigenous origin - you've just agreed (again, by your own logic) that american indians may freely kill you and take your land and possessions.
The Moslem Arabs in Sweden are recent immigrants who are largely breaking up Swedish society. The Israeli Jewish settlers are recent immigrants who have gone much further in breaking up Palestinian society. Both are severe problems to the assaulted society.
When the day comes that the Swedes have been driven off most of Sweden, when the few remaining patches of native Swedish communities are being deliberately settled and split up by Moslem Arab settlements, when Swedes need to pass through Arab checkpoints any time they want to go somewhere in Sweden, when Swedes have no personal or property rights in Sweden and can be dispossessed at any time by any Middle Eastern Moslem who wants their land, when most Swedes who have lost their land are gathered into a big refugee camp ringed by fences guarded by Arabs who don't let anyone in or out and who control their water, food, electricity, and heat, when those Moslem Arabs regularly bomb and strafe those helpless Swedes in their concentration camp as collective punishment for any individual Swedes who do any violence against them, and when a few of those Swedes manage a daring breakout with arms -- then I will pass no moral judgement on anything they may do to their enemies.
This is a theoretical check on just how far your values go - and not a commentary on the current situation. At what point will you strike back at someone who wants you dead? Will you allow someone to kill your family because you do not believe in fighting them?
Moral superiority is easy, when it is not you who look down the barrel of a rifle.
Well either the dude blocked me or he deleted his account. If you have a position, you should have words to defend it that aren’t full of swear words, insults, and name calling - and be able to discuss it like an adult.
My uncle fled Egypt in his early 30s. He went to the US, studied at various universities ultimately earning a PhD in Theology. He moved to Canada and married my aunt-who is a Christian- and became a Christian himself. Of course this all meant he could never go back to see his family, which he never did.
As long as I can remember, my uncle denounced Islam as a religion that compels and enforces loyalty rather than earning it by virtue. He maintained it oppresses and impoverishes its people including relegating women as subservient to men, and spawns violence and anger as a result. It was his opinion that the world would never be at peace while Islam exists.
Can’t say I’ve seen anything in my 58 years that has caused me to disagree with him. I loved him dearly. He was a kind, intelligent and inspiring man. RIP.
I've met moslems who has converted to christianity after a few years in Sweden (or who have given up on organised religion completely) and they have voiced the same sentiments you describe and refer.
In Sweden, such former moslems live under constant threats and harassment from moslems, receiving no support from police or social services and are being called "race traitors" by left-wing feminist politicians.
He was a very brave man- willing to give up ever seeing his family again because he so abhorred Islam and all it stood for. You are quite right, to convert to Christianity is unforgivable to Muslims the world over.
Dear Camilla, I am sorry for your loss of your dear Uncle. I do happen to believe Christianity is superior to Islam in several respects (I am allowed to have my biased opinion!) but it is also superior to Judaism, a religion that promotes a supremacy ideology and rationalizes deception and double standards rather than promoting justice and truth and peace among all human beings. Islam at least respects Christ and the Mother of Christ while the Talmud blasphemes them. Islam calls out usury as a sin, but the Talmud encourages it so long as those exploited by it are non-Jews. There was an attack on the statue of St. Louis in the city of St. Louis for alleged anti-Semitism for following the Pope's order during his reign as King to burn the Talmud. Was it anti-Semitism that was the reason he was ordered to burn that book? Or was it the corrosive influence that the Talmud has on human relations? Look into it and decide for yourself. E Michael Jones wrote an article about the statue controversy. I recommend considering his perspectives. We should pray for the conversion of all Muslims and Jews. If we love Jews and Muslims, which Christ commands us to do, then we should pray that that they too can share in the Good News of the resurrection.
Thank you for your kind words about my uncle, Aimee. I should add some more context to my position: My daughter's best friend, Maddie, was a victim of the Islamic man who drove a van through Nice in 2016. She was visiting for Bastille Day, from Canada, and she and group were caught in the crowds he mowed down. Fortunately she survived despite her injuries, but several in her travel group did not.
My grandparents harboured their Jewish neighbours in the WW 2, when they were Germans living in Poland; throughout their lives they had nothing but praise for their hardworking, peaceful Jewish neighbours. Currently, my Jewish neighbours here in BC have flown to their second home in Calgary where their children attend university , because they are afraid for the safety of their two blond teenaged Jewish daughters, because bands of young ProPalestinians are driving around the neighbourhood loudly declaring their anti Jewish rhetoric.
I do not agree with Jewish teachings, but no Jews want to hurt or kill me, my friends or family, for not doing so. I'd rather live in peace with Jews than be subject to the endless terror imposed by Muslims upon entirely innocent people.
It seems like you are quite naive. I have a family friend who lost a niece on 9/11. Who was behind that? (Hint: office fires started with a limited amount of jet fuel don't cause buildings to explode and collapse in their own footprint.) Who was behind the war in Iraq? Who was behind the opioid epidemic? Who created the pressure for the US to enter WWII, slandering the isolationist America First camp who didn't want to support one genocidal tyrannical empire against another? Certainly individual Jews or Muslims or Christians or anyone else are not responsible for crimes carried out by their co-religionists, but if you want to look at which religions people getting away with the largest crimes belong to, then please try to be comprehensive and accurate. And be sure not to let the captured, biased media do your thinking for you.
Thank you for your kind instruction. Can you also tell me what I should do today? I am so in need of a strong anonymous leader (who might just happen to be a member of IDF unit 8200) to direct my actions.
No, it's the piece that's weak. Not one of our host's better ones. It was mostly speculation along lines favored by the Swamp, and not well balanced, because it was not well grounded in the larger situation.
Anyone who criticizes jews for any reason is automatically labeled and "anti-semite". I find this amusing because most people don't even know what a "semite" is and most jews are not semites. Arabs are semites. Jews also like to use the holocaust lie as a club. Do I deny the NAZIs murdered a lot of jews? No. I deny the number of murdered claimed because the numbers are unsustainable. If you lie about the numbers you are lying about much more too.
Jews don't give a rat's ass about the "holocaust". They do the same thing to others all the time. They only whine when it is done to them. And jews are behind much of the leftist destruction in the US.
You make a horrible claim that Jews do the same thing to others all the time. That they have created a holocaust on another race. Would you mind giving me examples? last I checked they're not loading up any trains to Auschwitz. And if you consider defending your country and your people against terrorist whose sole purpose on Earth is to kill you. And who have stated that and who have practiced that for decades? Now I don't think you are dealing with moral equivalencies.
Wrong. "Anti-Semitism" specifically refers to hatred of Jews. It is a pseudo-scientific term coined by a German named Wilhem Marr to make Jew-hatred sound "scientific." It has nothing to do with Arabs or "Semites" generally. Moreover, even Ashkenazi Jews have 50% Middle Eastern DNA, meaning their origin does in fact trace back to the Middle East.
That is correct as to its origin, in 19th century Germany. At that time, the belief could be sustained in northern Europe that "Semites," including Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Arabs, were a coherent race with some common, and perhaps unpleasant, characteristics, with Jews being a branch of that race that had moved north into Europe. Since the Jews were the only "Semites" involved with the native Europeans, the term was useful for framing opposition to the Jews in terms of opposing those Middle Eastern racial traits and habits that the Jews were supposed to represent.
Since the mid 20th century, with the invasion of Palestine by Zionist Jews, and the consequent hatred by obviously Semitic Arab people toward their oppressors, the term has become absolutely absurd. Given the contempt in which the Zionists hold their Semitic victims, it would be much more logical to describe them, the Zionists, as Anti-Semites.
" find this amusing because most people don't even know what a "semite" is and most jews are not semites."
So your takeaway from it all is one of semantics. People often express an idea with a phrase not totally coherent with the literal meaning of said phrase! Who knew?
So hamas is good? You said a lot of things and scolded egm and others but didn't call out hamas for their atrocities to civilians. You can certainly hold the position that Palestinians civilians have had a terrible plight but that does not excuse what hamas did to Israelis and has been doing to Palestinians for decades.
I consider it immoral to condemn the reaction to the genocide that my tax dollars fund and the media of my society facilitates. As RFK said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. Rather than castigate the response to Israeli genocide that the US funds to the tune of 3+ billion per year and facilitates further with regional wars (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Ukraine) for Israel costing millions of lives and trillions of dollars, why not do all we can to stop the genocide the root cause of the violence instead? (I am not only Catholic, I am also an engineer, so I try to be practical and a problem solver. How about you?)
None of these positions you are holding are truly Catholic nor are they coherent given the piece you are commenting on. "Give to Cesar that which is Cesar's and give to God that which is God's". I don't doubt for a second that my tax dollars are supporting both sides of every war. That doesn't mean I don't call out atrocities when I see them in broad daylight (like what Hamas has done). The true answer is for Muslims around the world to be converted to the true faith, Catholicism. In my current state in life I can't do much more than pray for them, which is what I do.
Do you also pray for the conversion of the Jews? Because we are supposed to. Do you call out atrocities and wars and war crimes carried out in the name of the Jewish people? You seem to have some blind spots. It takes a bit more courage to call out Israel's crimes than those of any Muslim actors in the world just now. I hope you don't hide behind our faith as an excuse to display cowardice.
Agreed in large measure. I've got serious doubts this Hamas attack was all that it seemed. There is a definite thread of hidden hands gaining some long-term geo-political advantage here.
Weapons manufacturers spiked 10% in a day. That's big for that market cap.
Ukraine-Russia US made mess vanishes from public eye.
Evil terrorist threat rises again, just before an election year - can the Dems do better than the Reps did 20 years ago.
The most cynical part of my brain believes the US regime is happy to pivot to this as the current thing because the evangelical voting bloc will uniquely waive their general instincts and interests over it for eschatological reasons. More generally it cuts across the right along different lines than most other issues. Plenty of potential for infighting as well as diversion.
Yep. Hard to get the populace jazzed up about Ukraine anymore. But Israel, the Holy Land, fighting for its life against the Muslim horde--that will awaken American Christian sympathies.
boriquagato ignores the long, deep history of Mossad-Hamas cooperation. Hamas, affiliated with the British-controlled Muslim Brotherhood, was originally created and funded by Mossad with the intention of weakening Fatah, Yasser Arafat's organization. Hamas took the side of ISIS in the Syrian Civil War. Why were Hamas fighters allowed to slice through Israeli border defenses like a hot knife through butter. Does Iran control Israeli defenses as well as Hamas? Do your really think Netanyahu would hesitate to sacrifice a thousand Israelis to justify the next "lawn mowing" in Gaza, let alone the annexation of Gaza and expulsion of all its inhabitants?
Luckily for us, the Permian basin is cranking out record levels of oil and gas despite the hostility from the current administration. Investors need confidence that oil and gas won't be shut down so they can convert certain refineries to process sweet crude. Right now the heavy crude most American refineries process must be imported. But if investors did not have to worry about their money being flushed down the toilet with this hostile administration, maybe they would take the risk.
Energy security is national security. And America is becoming weak. Leadership needs to take the chains off.
One has to wade through a lot of lies to get to anything like truth. Like Covid-19, little is to be believed. The task is finding balance and equilibrium in the mounting chaos. Progressives and warpigs are like pees in the pod.
I do not believe that Leftist hostility to Israel is even primarily about a concern for the Palestinian people. The real driver is to signal that your narcissistic (and privileged) little wonderful self is ever on the side of 'the oppressed'. To these people 'oppression' is a shallow abstraction that serves to inflate their personal vanity as one of the good guys. This poisonous vanity has been pouring out of Western academia for decades. I still remember the drug-addled anti-Zionist 'sit-in' at my UK university in 1972.
Ain't that the truth. Colleges/Universities are full of those little privileged punks.
Thanks. I've wriiten here about the state of our universities: https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/how-diversity-narrows-the-mind
It's also not thinly veiled by the democrats and the youngins see and hear them supporting "Palestine"..they see them flying the Palestinian flag. Oac, Rasheed and that lady that married her brother are all anti Israel. Obama was as well. Regardless of what he spouts every now and then to the contrary. When these young numbskulls see their political heros hate on Israel, they follow suit
Hit the nail on the head 👏
Thanks https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/invasion-of-the-virtue-signallers
And where were all the University students during the plandemic? Makes one wonder who pays who to be a University rebel.
In the 1970's, the North Vietnam General Giap said to Arafat: ‘Stop talking about annihilating Israel and instead turn your terror war into a struggle for human rights. Then you will have the American people eating out of your hand.’
They all feel guilty that they, too, are “settler/colonialists” (but not really inclined to give back the land and leave), so they assuage themselves by criticizing Israel and demanding that Jews stop oppressing Arabs.
Be sure to properly place the blame, most of them never heard the word “No” during their formative years.
This is what daycare does. Twenty toddlers in a room with one 20-year-old who is not even related to them is a recipe for societal disaster.
People’s priorities for the most part are misplaced. They would rather have more material things than care for their child. A new phone. A bigger TV. A new pair of shoes every other week. A vacation in the Caribbean.
I know people who were paying as much for daycare as they were bringing home in pay. Why not just stay home? It’s the Left’s vilification of motherhood. They tell women they are nothing if they don’t have a job outside the house.
I work in Toronto with many Persian, Indian, Pakistani people. They still bring up their children the old way. Their kids are far superior to the Canadian kids with the lazy parents and daycare.
Good call.
Yes! That’s literally the definition of “scapegoating” -- we attribute all our own sins to the goat; then we kill the goat, and all our sins are expiated! No need to actually do something concrete, like *ahem* say... change our own sinning behavior...no...just pin it on the goat.
Copy/paste from Keith Woods on Twitter. What he writes is 100% fact...not really debatable. I’m very far to the right and I would be accused of “hostility” toward Israel.
facts so far:
1. For 17 years, the people of Gaza have lived under an illegal blockade. Half of the population are children. Over 90 percent of the drinking water is contaminated. Over half the population are unemployed. Over half the population are considered refugees. Most are descendants of refugees who fled during the Nakba - Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
2. Over the course of years Israel has refused offers of a truce in exchange for lifting the blockade, which is an illegal form of collective punishment under international law. David Cameron, when he was prime minister of the UK, said the blockade had turned Gaza into "a prison camp".
3. Last week, people of Gaza broke out of the world's largest concentration camp and launched an attack on Israel.
4. There is still no evidence of the claim of 40 beheaded babies, the mass rave slaughter, or the attack aiming to target civilians. The original source for the 40 beheaded babies claim was a radical settler who has advocated genocide of Palestinians. We have been given an alleged picture of the charred remains of a baby by the Israeli government. We do not know how or where this baby died. Stories of atrocities were reported on uncritically by the mainstream media across the West.
5. Israel's defense minister said they were fighting "human animals" and cut off all water, electricity, fuel and food into Gaza. At the same time, Netanyahu told the Israeli people to prepare for a long war, meaning Israel intends to starve Gaza's civilian population of essential supplies for a long time. Collective punishment is a war crime.
6. Norman Finkelstein, the world's foremost expert on the Israel/Palestine conflict, said he believes the denial of food and water to Gaza, and the promise of a long war, constitutes the beginning of a genocide against the people of Gaza.
7. An elected member of the Israeli ruling party called for a "second Nakba" on the Palestinians. Another member of the Israeli Knesset said there are "no innocents in Gaza", and advocated "flattening" it. The Israeli President said tonight that there are no innocent civilians in Gaza: "It's an entire nation out there that is responsible".
8. Israel killed hundreds of civilians in a terror bombing campaign and dropped outlawed white phosphorus on the densely populated Gaza strip. Medics in Gaza say ambulances and health facilities have been targeted by IDF missiles.
9. After 6 days of bombardment, over 300 thousand people had been left homeless, and over 1,500 Palestinians dead. As of the latest reports, about 600 children have been killed.
10. Last night, Israel gave over 1 million people a days notice to evacuate half of Gaza, intending to flatten the area in a ground invasion. There is credible video evidence that Israel did not respect it's commitment to avoid bombing the main roads used for evacuation, and bombed a truck carrying dozens of civilians.
11. Tonight, Israel announced it would cut off the internet from Gaza, meaning the horrors it is about to enact on the population will be hidden from the world.
These are facts. If you state them, you will be accused of defending terrorism, or being antisemitic, but they are the facts.
When talk of collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and outright genocide are being normalised among supposedly respected voices, we should be very skeptical of narratives being presented to us by the same people.
it is entirely jew hatred.
muslims have been in miserable camps in bangladesh for 50 years, long before the current rohingya camps there, and nobody gives a damn. especially not the bangladeshis now protesting against israel.
Your assumptions are not facts. Are you ignorant that it was the Israeli government that recruited Jeffrey Epstein to run his pedo island and financial crimes in their service? Funny how you just ignore the level of depravity that is required to use child abduction and rape for political ends.
Your reasoning is compelling and no doubt accurate with one exception.
The Arabs in Gaza to a much greater extent than you seem to believe, support terror. It’s not new. Pogroms against Jews in Israel have.been going on since well before Israel’s statehood.
The Arabs supported this behavior.
This is a good analysis off the mindset.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/savage-nihilism-free-palestine
Yes! My husband and I once had dinner at the home of a Palestinian family. They were very hospitable and we had a lovely time (other than none of the women in the family participated). After dinner, we were chatting and I asked them what they were doing in America. Without losing a beat, one of the men responded " Have as many children as possible and then go back to Palestine and throw all the Jews in the ocean." OK, then....
I’m sure that was an eye opening experience for you.
it was
They’ve been chanting, “Death to Israel,” for so long, the phrase is never highlighted in the press. Remember, it’s right in the Hamas charter, and Hamas IS Gaza...
It it is okay for Israelis to call for the death of Palestinians? I’ve seen interviews of the public in Israel of this. As if June, 27 children had been killed by Israeli soldiers this year, the youngest just two years old. Where was your outrage then?
Have you ever seen any Israeli dance in the street and hand out candy when a Palestinian is killed? No. Have you ever seen the Israelis cut babies heads off and light people on fire? No.
Israel supplies medical care to Palestinians, water and electricity. Do you think Palestinians would do that for Jews? No. If individual Israelis after an atrocity call for revenge, it’s understandable. I think the children should stop throwing bombs and attacking Israelis.
Dancing in celebration of deaths of Palestinians? Absolutely. They held arrived on hillsides overlooking Israel’s last bombardment of Gaza. Cheering for every bomb.
Yes, they are doing it yet again as we speak, using bunker buster bombs. And, please show me your footage of Palestinians doing this? It is yet another lie by the genocidal Israeli government.
"Have you ever seen the Israelis cut babies heads off and light people on fire? No."
In fact haven't seen anybody do it, as much as I didn't see WW1 germans bayonet babies or cut nurses' hands. Anglos lie all the time. Israelis are their worthy heirs.
It’s a shame that Gazans have chosen Hamas, whose charter calls for the annihilation of Israel to lead them, you get what you vote for...
It is a shame Americans chose George W Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, who all supported mayhem in the ME. So clearly, you think in Laden justified in attacking us, right?
It is a shame Israelis have chosen Netanyahu’s Likud extremists, and, using your morals, this justifies their extermination. You are so blinded by your hatred you have lost your critical thinking ability.
I hate war and there’s only one way to stop the one in Gaza...
There are Arabs in Gaza who oppose terrorism.
Just not enough. But there is no tidy war. It’s just not accurate to characterize the population as having no choice in the matter.
The Hamas takeover of Gaza is a relatively new thing. The PLO recognized Israeli sovereignty in the ‘90s and has controlled the West Bank in relative peace ever since...
what do you mean by takeover? i am of the understanding that hamas was voted in.
Ah, so you ascribe to Osama bin Laden’s argument that the people are collectively guilty for the criminal acts of their governments. So, in that case you’d be supportive of acts of terror against Israel, since their government is guilty of many atrocities. I don’t believe in collective guilt. 45% of the people voted against Hamas, it their innocence is irrelevant in your logic. About 50% of Americans voted against Joe Biden, yet in your logic we are all guilty of his crimes. That is a sick mentality.
yup, you got it.
Hamas was voted in around 2008 because Fatah was horribly corrupt. That was not the result that Israel/USA wanted so they started the blockade and things have gone downhill since.
Netanyahu is on record as stating that Hamas coming to power was desirable to prevent a Palestinian state. Funny how his and other leaders support for Hamas is conveniently ignored in the list for yet another war.
LOL you haven't been paying attention.
*lust, not list
Perhaps societal divides in the Arab world closely resemble the groupings in the West. Perhaps a significant majority of the citizenry simply want to be "left alone", to live their lives, raise their families, and pursue their dreams.
But in the Arab world, as in the ostensibly “more civilized” West, a small, very small, very vocal minority, are adamant that they, as the natural arbiters of all that is holy, are the *only* ones competent to direct society in the "right" direction. Strangely, the (usually) self-appointed leaders of these vocal minorities are often forced to live in five-star hotels, or in gated and guarded 'compounds', with their armies of servants and bodyguards. Wherein they work diligently, for generations, to subvert the mechanisms of government; to control and direct *ALL* public discourse.
And we let them! Hell, we enable them. Because, of course, we “just want to be left alone”.
Do we suffer from stupidity, terminal complacency - or a death wish? Or all of the above?
We want things to be “normal”, meaning peaceful. Unfortunately our idea of normalcy is not congruent with reality, which is that mankind is violent, and will use whatever means is at their disposal to achieve their objective. If the aspiring miscreant recognizes that a target is soft, it’s an easy decision for the the I indoctrinated fanatic who has no respect for those who are not his fellow travelers . If the target is hardened then it’s a deterrent. But if you have religious fanatics who buy into the afterlife as a reward for their actions in the name of their God while on Earth, who are fed a steady diet of hatred, whose family will get blood money after they commit crimes against humanity, you end up with atrocities. Islam of course is not the only religion that has produced monsters, but it is the one producing most of them in the 21st century.
Replace mankind with the state and you are on to something. War is the health of the state.
Really ... explain Switzerland. Explain Singapore. Explain Iceland. Give me a break with the bumper stickers.
Dare I say that I think, collectively, we suffer from "all the above". Thanks for your thoughts. You've really got me thinking!
Does the BLM / squad wing of the Democrat party control 56% of Congress? Because Hamas controlling 56% of the Palestinian parliament is a heck of a lot for such an extreme faction.
It suggests that the baseline "man-on-the-street" attitude towards this conflict in Gaza and Ramallah is a lot spicier than the average mood on the average Norwegian street. Demographics is destiny.
That being said; yes, the heinous details and timing of this attack suggest that it was Hamas' paymasters in Tehran who desired (and benefit from) these events, not the average Arab on the street. The average Arab on the average Gaza street is, sadly, royally screwed.
The other Arab nations don’t want the Palestinian Arabs for a number of reasons. They won’t even let them evacuate the war zone. And the Palestinian Arabs don’t want peace. Everything is designed to make these people into martyrs and to make Israel look bad when there are reprisals for terror attacks. 🤷🏼
All great points El Gato. I’m curious though why are we not discussing the elephant in the room? The fact that one of the most secure and surveilled borders in the world just happens to miss dudes with guns on paragliders cruising into Israeli airspace ? Which leads me to consider #1. Authorities knew it was happening and orders were given to stand down and let it happen. Or 2. None of this has happened as we are told. Something happened yes. I’m also a bit surprised that you are not discussing how conveniently the videos of Shani Louk jiggling before the camera followed the video of her abduction. So instant . So timely. So emotional. The video theater smacks of Chinese citizens falling over in the street while hazmat suited medics pack them into ambulances . It’s off.
Excellent question, excellent point! based on the events of the last several years and the lies we have been told by our govt and media, why are we just accepting this narrative at face value? I suspect option #2 - none of this happened as we were told.
It’s never as we are told . If their mouths are moving it’s bullshit.
Israel had all kinds of eyes on this area for 10 days beforehand… Watch MonkeyWerks on YouTube. Did they let it happen or was there a traitor in their midst? So many layers to all of this… 🧐
A traitor at the top.
The prime minister's office was notified by the Egyptians directly.
Evidently the Egyptians told the Israelis that something was up and the Israelis weren't interested.
Kind of like FDR and the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor? The aggression served a purpose .
Did we have radar at that time?
Yes we did have radar
My, British, understanding is that radar was installed just before Pearl Harbour was attacked, saw the Japanese planes but was told to ignore as they were only US trainers.
Also that FDR was told by UK that it was coming and he ignored it, officially. Though maybe that is why none of the aircraft carriers were in port when the attack happened.
That would sure change the history books wouldn’t it?
That story was debunked by the Egyptian Government.
It's probably the same thing that causes 9 out of 10 security "probes" at US airport security points to miss the fake, gun, bomb etc. Laziness, boredom, routine.
Like 911 right? Just a big oopsie. Our bad.
From what I’ve gathered, watching foreign press reports (our own press is fairly worthless at this point in history), the Israelis were relying a whole heck of a lot on some pretty fancy schmancy technology on that fence, which was short circuited and defeated by Hamas. It was also a major holiday that fell on Shabbat. If the Israeli people had been permitted to have weapons without jumping through a million gun control hoops, the outcome might have been a little different.
As they say, never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Paragliders though? Really? Reminds me an awful lot of boxcutters.
Somebody is as they say “ taking the piss.”
So, if one lets terrorists operate out of their proverbial house, they shouldn’t be shocked when the authorities come down on them and theirs, like a ton of bricks.
This whole idea that is running amok on the Internet, that Gazans are not associated with Hamas and are in fact being oppressed by them (Hamas was elected after all, and NPR [of all rags] published a piece in 2021 that they would hold a majority in palestinian parliament if an election is ever held again) is questionable to me. It smacks of the same Leftist nonsense that gets bandied about when talking about almost any minority group- that they are just incapable of dealing with anything on their own which is why they need a snowflake savior to come in and help them out. You all know what I’m talking about. I guess it never occurred to them that the majority of palestinians approve of Hamas. That’s a problem isn’t it?
When you allow evil to operate in your backyard, you are probably going to wind up getting hurt. But that’s what happens when people hate other groups so much that they sacrifice themselves and even their own children, rather than live in peace with the group they hate. This is not confined to this conflict. It’s present in almost all conflicts.
As an aside, on the Left it is unacceptable to “hate speak” towards some groups, but Jews, rednecks, and old people are fair game. I believe that’s called hypocrisy.
I think this is an important point. Hamas isn’t just a random group in the state, they currently are of the elected government. If the Republican Party decided it was going to launch a raid into Mexico along these lines, I would rather expect the government to arrest those involved and do what it could to fix the situation. Doing nothing implies it supported the act. And if the citizens continued to support the government, then they also support it. Not all, but then any group has differences, that’s the key problem with collective state action.
Your analogy is wildly off here and inappropriate. The nearer analogy in the U.S. would involve say a Native American tribe on a reservation over a century ago revolting against the state govt and wildly slaughtering innocent U.S. citizens who had more rights and freedoms within their state/region. But even then, the analogy is only slightly better and has little to do with the Israel/Palestine situation. But let's say it was a faction of this particular tribe who had gained authority over time that simply took matters into their own hands at the expense of the people they supposedly represent. They would have to do it in secret because they wouldn't have wide approval of such a suicidal action. We have no way of knowing how many Palestinians knew of this plan and supported this or not, but I think it's safe to say that citizens who could be in the know (who are not soldiers/militants) would in no way support what they could easily see could cause their own slaughter due to a predictable retaliation.
So glad to find someone who applies critical thinking. After 9/11 which I bought into completely, and slowly learned how I’d been duped, I am not fooled again. It’s been so utterly transparently a planned event. They have just recycled the same slogans from 9/11. How can people who just witnessed the Covid lies and crimes can believe anything their governments tell them baffles me. Israel was one of the worst during the pandemic, but we should just trust them now? It is sickening.
Your comments resonate completely with me.
I don’t know about this. A journalist in Palestine was interviewing people in a hospital and I listened to a random civilian woman sternly instruct her young sons (after scrambling for cover from an air raid) “your brother is a martyr. Don’t cry.” These children are trained from birth to welcome being martyred in the quest to kill Jews. Native Americans love(d) their children far too much to spend a century doing nothing but banging on about “killing the colonizers”. The Palestinians seem to largely support Hamas. The Hamas charter has never been a secret.
This was in secret? What?
Trudeau was elected,.........yeah,.....right sure sure.
So many cynical real world people still believe elections are the valid voice of whatever nation. It's kinda cute.
Might as well believe in Santa at this point.
Not cute… 🤨
Yeah believing in Santa’s creation from the spirit of giving is cute, Believing in our government systems psy - ops,...no not cute. TRAGIC
I don’t believe in the notion of “voice of the nation” or anything like that, but at some point you have to deal with a nation or state as a nation or state. Where do you draw the line on who to deal with as the head of state bif not “their official elected government “?
But who 'elected' them? I'm just saying the official elected whatsit may have not been elected by any will of the people, but selected by outside powers, financial sponsors, or trade groups. Personally I think every president elected since the 2000s at least has not been the will of the people...even Trump. But they needed him to play his role as well.*
Maybe I'm too kind, but as a long time observer of current events, I don't trust elections anywhere at this point and I don't blame populaces of countries for them. They are being played. Like we are.
*Part of that was kneecapping Hillary. Which was fun to watch, I gotta admit.
I am in full agreement… Our elections are a joke! But, watching Hillary loose was a thing of beauty… 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😁
So again, where do you draw the line? If you are in Israel’s shoes and have to deal with the Palestinians in Gaza, who do you deal with? Hamas is their official government party in power. Maybe there is someone else you have in mind?
... and the call for the elimination of Israel is right in the Hamas charter...
And the Hamas charter echoes the only authority that matters, the quran.
This is the most critical point that few are acknowledging. They aren’t just a political extremist group, but a religious group bent on terrorizing innocent people and inflicting death and physical harm to their enemy as directed by the Quran. Maybe it’s not PC to say this as Americans can no longer identify Muslim extremists as terrorists.
Well look what happened until then. That was in 1988.
Nothing else was working, and clearly Israel had some kind of choke hold on the rest of the world.
The 'Palestinians' are muslims. They believe in the quran. They believe that they should strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. The beliefs of muslims are carried out by their jihadists. Hamas are the jihadists of 'Palestine'.
There are also Christians in Gaza, but too bad for them, huh?
It's hopeless. Just reading through this article and most of the replies makes me realize that even those who saw through the Covid scam have fallen for the mass media version of events, with no research, background knowledge or any semblance of informed geopolitical analysis. How about getting a bit educated by listening to people who know exactly what's been happening behind the scenes in that region, like say ex-MI6 and British diplomat Alistair Crooke instead of spouting off half cocked willy nilly variations of what they've been fed by mass media.
I’d like to know more do you have a link?
Hi, this is a recent video and gives you a more comprehensive analysis than this substack article. https://rumble.com/v3oqlqp-israel-palestine-war-us-faces-catastrophe-in-middle-east.html
Thank you, that is a great rumble stream - that guy has some quality interviews.
Do you think Israelis are targeting Christians or Muslim civilians? Can’t fix dumb.
They may not be targeting them (ha), but those folks cannot help be killed and maimed by the Israeli weapons that are very powerful. But, what the heck, let's just starve them for a couple weeks. Water, what water?
The Israelis gave them warning, asked northern Gaza residents to leave so that they didn't harm them, so they could avoid being injured or killed. That's more than Hamas did for the people they raped and murdered who were just minding their own business. The difference is stark. If your moral compass is so off that you can't figure this out, I can't help you.
If you don't know right from wrong, I can't help you.
Do you realize you are defending behavior that is barbaric?
Do you want to defend savages who deliberately exterminate babies, families, the elderly because of their religion? I won't help you with that.
Yes, but what resources do they have to escape? And IDF is shooting them as they leave, but hey, it’s OK because Israel.
I'm sure you would love for the response to terrorism to be tidy.
Othering is necessary in order to dehumanize and justify murder on a massive scale. It is evil.
That is just more standard issue Leftist gobbledygook. Microaggressions, othering, other vague straw man neologistic violations against carefully curated victim groups. If you need to resort to this kind of phony pseudoacademic lexicon of victimhood to rationalize your opinions, they aren't very good opinions. If you can't speak plainly it's because your ideas suck.
Me: They are burning peaceful civilians alive and murdering babies.
You: Othering is necessary in order to dehumanize and justify murder on a massive scale.
What a crock of horseshit.
Well like it or not, you just described the modus operandi of islam. It has been that way for 14 centuries. Perhaps it is the ignorant that are evil?
Obviously, Hamas knew what the response from Israel would be. So what was the purpose of their attacks? Some claim it was to derail the Saudi-Israeli agreement and thereby support Iran.
As far as the support from Americans for Hamas and/or the people of Gaza and/or the Palestinians, my concern is that those protestors (idiots though they may be) will be told to shut up. We just went through that crap with Covid. I truly believe that Voltaire was right. Nobody should have to shut up. They do need to debate the issues in a public discourse so the issues can be aired.
Not likely to happen with the blood lust exhibited by the press and organizations and people.
we, usa/Israel be to Palestinian refugees like some school marm bombing the whole class for the few…..
himmler, and eichmann ….. saw that, too.
Thank you for the comment reinforcing what I said. What is it with Leftists analogizing minority groups to children?
i think it may stem from the overeducated 'elite' class, a perversion of noblesse oblige. the idea that minorities struggle because they are smart/rich/educated enough. and so their continued lording over the unwashed masses is justified.
They’ve conveniently discarded the obligation to serve the common man, but retained the perks of upper crust life. Our society expects nothing from its elites other than narcissism, ostentatious displays of wealth, and condescension. In Israel the best and brightest fight the necessary wars and are patriots. Here they start unnecessary wars and undermine society.
they also expect nothing from the plebs (hence the whole "they just dont know any better").
we live in a era where noone wants to be responsible for anything they do.
wake up!
what is it with fascists war profiteers acting like pedophile schoolyard monitors!
Don’t forget the caucasians.
Thanks for the insight. I had thought of Hamas somewhat like I think of antifa here in Toronto, an irritating, yet somehow powerful violent movement of stupid, entitled young people that doesn’t reflect the point of view of most of the residents. And add properly chromosomed women to that group the left is allowed to hate speak ---- a despicable ultra minority helping to garner honour and resources for a select few at the expense of the many. I had no idea, Hamas, was a part of the elected government.
Yup. And it’s not a few rotten apples ruining the barrel either. It’s an ideology ruining an entire people.
There's a great Brett Weinstein video on youtube where Hamas is described just as you say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_IAH7PnS_E
However, it also puts a spotlight on Israel because there's 'cui bono' there too. Would Israel sacrifice it's own people for a certain goal? No more, no less than any other government. Oh, and remember that even after the holocaust, they gave up their own people to pfizer.
Then there is the whole issue of an emerging multi polar world and how the middle east fits in.
We're in a state that is too complex to blame current events on evil Hamas or Arabs hating Jews as the only driving motive.
Israelis were shocked... SHOCKED I say! that their government did not show up to fight for 9 hours.
Americans are shocked, SHOCKED I say! that their country refuses to protect her people from the flood of terrorists crossing the border on foot.
“No more or less than any govt. “
Exactly. Thank you . Govt rarely represents its people these days. They don’t give fks. It’s fascinating to me how people are willing to treat Israeli govt as if it’s the one exception to the rule.
Agreed!
There are a lot of questions that need to be answered about the attack....especially on the side of the Israeli government....so many things do not not fit. And yes, you are right about the maniacs that made Israel Pfizers's baby...that made me extremely suspicious. I so wish my ex-husband was still alive...thank the good lord he escaped all things Covid. ..he was a very sceptical Israeli, and would have had lots to say about what happened concerning their government. My children have family in Tel Aviv, and we are all more than horrified.
They clearly were trying to sacrifice them in whole through their secret contract with Pfizer and immediately pushing the "green passport". I think many Israelis have woken up to a huge betrayal within their govt.
The F16's were all on exercises during 9/11. Just like the Israeli border defense was 'ineffective'. Not many people believe that a government would have allowed, or most likely planned and carried out 9/11. Most everyone believed Iraq had WMD's. Those same people most likely still don't believe the whole covid thing was because of an engineered virus and planned countermeasures. A whole bunch of people are banging on that this is all about some fanatic religious people wanting to glass some other fanatic religious people.
This is human sacrifice, producing maximum 'shock and awe', conditioning people ready for a big manipulation. Exactly like the last time, and the time before that. It's written in all the things that 'don't add up'. Trust your gut, look for bigger picture.
You are right, Vanda, this interview is extremely informative. Thank you for sharing it. I will pass it on.
Gaza has been under siege since 2007, had a massive nonviolent March of Return and the world failed to notice. Trump made peace deals normalizing relations with Israel and Arab countries completely ignoring the Palestinian genocide issue. So, whether this is a plan for Iran, a false flag of the Netanyahu government or something else, it is true that Israel is the source of terrorism in the region and Israel uses the Holocaust Narrative to get away with genocidal atrocities over decades. So, there are no good cards for Palestinians to play as long as people are willing to let the Jewish supremacists do all their thinking for them. So sit there in safety with electricity and water and food and judge away. And what a coincidence, it takes zero courage to slander Palestine supporters. Please go and study the honest history of this conflict before commenting on it further.
One side murders infants on purpose and brags about it. The other does not.
You are siding with rapists, torturers and child-murderers.
Why? Are the "historical reasons" or the well-documented crimes of jewish settlers or the hypocrisy of the apartheid state of Israel equivalent to murdering infants in your eyes?
Israel murders infants on the regular. Right now in broad daylight. Cutting off power, food, fuel and water to nearly 2 million ppl of average age of 18. Bombing whole apartment buildings. Hmmm.... what will that do? One of their officials calling them animals. But if your Zionist overlords tell you not to notice, I guess you look away. Try reading some independent media sources like alethonews. Read the work based on declassified documents by Illan Pape. Don't be a volunteer tool. When your position ends up serving neocon interests, take a closer look just in case you are being used for a fool.
the US 'pro-Israel' media tells you that (one side) murders babies, etc etc - do you believe everything you read from the US (pro-etc) media?? You still believe, for instance, those f***ing Iraqis threw babies out of incubators, etc??
We'll see how the murdered infants stories stand up I suppose - they could be another 'Babies torn from incubators' or viagra-troop story, but could be true I suppose.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/
You’re kidding, right. Israel is super nice to Palestine, they never harm even one person! In fact, I’m sure lots of people believe this because there are plenty of Jews who consider Palestinians lower than animals.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
Amnesty International got pilloried by their elite donor class for publishing these truths about Israeli atrocities and apartheid.
To sum up a response to people who responded:
In Sweden, moslem arab men commit more than 50% of all rapes, targetting swedish women and especially minors, despite being fewer than 10% of the male population.
By the logic of those relativising Hamas' actions with well-known historical crimes committed by israeli jewish settlers, police and military - us swedes are therefore /by your logic/ authorised and morally justified in committing ethnic cleansing and killing any arab moslem man we suspect.
By your own logic, you must either agree with this or acknowledge that your reason and arguments are based solely on the races/cultures invloved and that you are therefore in fact racists, or acknowledge that all persecuted and historically victimised populations have the right to vengenance in perpetuity.
If the latter, and if you're an american of non-indigenous origin - you've just agreed (again, by your own logic) that american indians may freely kill you and take your land and possessions.
The Moslem Arabs in Sweden are recent immigrants who are largely breaking up Swedish society. The Israeli Jewish settlers are recent immigrants who have gone much further in breaking up Palestinian society. Both are severe problems to the assaulted society.
When the day comes that the Swedes have been driven off most of Sweden, when the few remaining patches of native Swedish communities are being deliberately settled and split up by Moslem Arab settlements, when Swedes need to pass through Arab checkpoints any time they want to go somewhere in Sweden, when Swedes have no personal or property rights in Sweden and can be dispossessed at any time by any Middle Eastern Moslem who wants their land, when most Swedes who have lost their land are gathered into a big refugee camp ringed by fences guarded by Arabs who don't let anyone in or out and who control their water, food, electricity, and heat, when those Moslem Arabs regularly bomb and strafe those helpless Swedes in their concentration camp as collective punishment for any individual Swedes who do any violence against them, and when a few of those Swedes manage a daring breakout with arms -- then I will pass no moral judgement on anything they may do to their enemies.
You mean you believed that lie? It was a lie, they were asked for proof, none was given.
Way to spout the establishment abut prop. As of June, IDF had killed 27 children in Gaza. The youngest 2 years old.
This is a theoretical check on just how far your values go - and not a commentary on the current situation. At what point will you strike back at someone who wants you dead? Will you allow someone to kill your family because you do not believe in fighting them?
Moral superiority is easy, when it is not you who look down the barrel of a rifle.
Well either the dude blocked me or he deleted his account. If you have a position, you should have words to defend it that aren’t full of swear words, insults, and name calling - and be able to discuss it like an adult.
When you have no argument all degenerates into ad hominem. Figures. Have a very good day, sir.
My uncle fled Egypt in his early 30s. He went to the US, studied at various universities ultimately earning a PhD in Theology. He moved to Canada and married my aunt-who is a Christian- and became a Christian himself. Of course this all meant he could never go back to see his family, which he never did.
As long as I can remember, my uncle denounced Islam as a religion that compels and enforces loyalty rather than earning it by virtue. He maintained it oppresses and impoverishes its people including relegating women as subservient to men, and spawns violence and anger as a result. It was his opinion that the world would never be at peace while Islam exists.
Can’t say I’ve seen anything in my 58 years that has caused me to disagree with him. I loved him dearly. He was a kind, intelligent and inspiring man. RIP.
Your uncle was a very brave man.
I've met moslems who has converted to christianity after a few years in Sweden (or who have given up on organised religion completely) and they have voiced the same sentiments you describe and refer.
In Sweden, such former moslems live under constant threats and harassment from moslems, receiving no support from police or social services and are being called "race traitors" by left-wing feminist politicians.
He was a very brave man- willing to give up ever seeing his family again because he so abhorred Islam and all it stood for. You are quite right, to convert to Christianity is unforgivable to Muslims the world over.
Dear Camilla, I am sorry for your loss of your dear Uncle. I do happen to believe Christianity is superior to Islam in several respects (I am allowed to have my biased opinion!) but it is also superior to Judaism, a religion that promotes a supremacy ideology and rationalizes deception and double standards rather than promoting justice and truth and peace among all human beings. Islam at least respects Christ and the Mother of Christ while the Talmud blasphemes them. Islam calls out usury as a sin, but the Talmud encourages it so long as those exploited by it are non-Jews. There was an attack on the statue of St. Louis in the city of St. Louis for alleged anti-Semitism for following the Pope's order during his reign as King to burn the Talmud. Was it anti-Semitism that was the reason he was ordered to burn that book? Or was it the corrosive influence that the Talmud has on human relations? Look into it and decide for yourself. E Michael Jones wrote an article about the statue controversy. I recommend considering his perspectives. We should pray for the conversion of all Muslims and Jews. If we love Jews and Muslims, which Christ commands us to do, then we should pray that that they too can share in the Good News of the resurrection.
Thank you for your kind words about my uncle, Aimee. I should add some more context to my position: My daughter's best friend, Maddie, was a victim of the Islamic man who drove a van through Nice in 2016. She was visiting for Bastille Day, from Canada, and she and group were caught in the crowds he mowed down. Fortunately she survived despite her injuries, but several in her travel group did not.
My grandparents harboured their Jewish neighbours in the WW 2, when they were Germans living in Poland; throughout their lives they had nothing but praise for their hardworking, peaceful Jewish neighbours. Currently, my Jewish neighbours here in BC have flown to their second home in Calgary where their children attend university , because they are afraid for the safety of their two blond teenaged Jewish daughters, because bands of young ProPalestinians are driving around the neighbourhood loudly declaring their anti Jewish rhetoric.
I do not agree with Jewish teachings, but no Jews want to hurt or kill me, my friends or family, for not doing so. I'd rather live in peace with Jews than be subject to the endless terror imposed by Muslims upon entirely innocent people.
It seems like you are quite naive. I have a family friend who lost a niece on 9/11. Who was behind that? (Hint: office fires started with a limited amount of jet fuel don't cause buildings to explode and collapse in their own footprint.) Who was behind the war in Iraq? Who was behind the opioid epidemic? Who created the pressure for the US to enter WWII, slandering the isolationist America First camp who didn't want to support one genocidal tyrannical empire against another? Certainly individual Jews or Muslims or Christians or anyone else are not responsible for crimes carried out by their co-religionists, but if you want to look at which religions people getting away with the largest crimes belong to, then please try to be comprehensive and accurate. And be sure not to let the captured, biased media do your thinking for you.
jesus was just another one o' them jews who thought he had a direct phone line to god. and you fell for it too?
it's remarkable how you guys--christians and muslims--hate mommy so bad because you're always afraid big daddy might really love her best.
that's not how the universe works works.
Did you read the piece?
yes
So it’s your apprehension that’s weak then, go read it again, sound it out if need be
Thank you for your kind instruction. Can you also tell me what I should do today? I am so in need of a strong anonymous leader (who might just happen to be a member of IDF unit 8200) to direct my actions.
No, it's the piece that's weak. Not one of our host's better ones. It was mostly speculation along lines favored by the Swamp, and not well balanced, because it was not well grounded in the larger situation.
Anyone who criticizes jews for any reason is automatically labeled and "anti-semite". I find this amusing because most people don't even know what a "semite" is and most jews are not semites. Arabs are semites. Jews also like to use the holocaust lie as a club. Do I deny the NAZIs murdered a lot of jews? No. I deny the number of murdered claimed because the numbers are unsustainable. If you lie about the numbers you are lying about much more too.
Jews don't give a rat's ass about the "holocaust". They do the same thing to others all the time. They only whine when it is done to them. And jews are behind much of the leftist destruction in the US.
You make a horrible claim that Jews do the same thing to others all the time. That they have created a holocaust on another race. Would you mind giving me examples? last I checked they're not loading up any trains to Auschwitz. And if you consider defending your country and your people against terrorist whose sole purpose on Earth is to kill you. And who have stated that and who have practiced that for decades? Now I don't think you are dealing with moral equivalencies.
Wrong. "Anti-Semitism" specifically refers to hatred of Jews. It is a pseudo-scientific term coined by a German named Wilhem Marr to make Jew-hatred sound "scientific." It has nothing to do with Arabs or "Semites" generally. Moreover, even Ashkenazi Jews have 50% Middle Eastern DNA, meaning their origin does in fact trace back to the Middle East.
That is correct as to its origin, in 19th century Germany. At that time, the belief could be sustained in northern Europe that "Semites," including Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Canaanites, Hebrews, and Arabs, were a coherent race with some common, and perhaps unpleasant, characteristics, with Jews being a branch of that race that had moved north into Europe. Since the Jews were the only "Semites" involved with the native Europeans, the term was useful for framing opposition to the Jews in terms of opposing those Middle Eastern racial traits and habits that the Jews were supposed to represent.
Since the mid 20th century, with the invasion of Palestine by Zionist Jews, and the consequent hatred by obviously Semitic Arab people toward their oppressors, the term has become absolutely absurd. Given the contempt in which the Zionists hold their Semitic victims, it would be much more logical to describe them, the Zionists, as Anti-Semites.
" find this amusing because most people don't even know what a "semite" is and most jews are not semites."
So your takeaway from it all is one of semantics. People often express an idea with a phrase not totally coherent with the literal meaning of said phrase! Who knew?
You are a Catholic writer here? If so please explain how this position is supported by the true Catholic faith.
The Church has been degraded by Leftists pretending to be Catholic. Their values are as far from Catholicism as you can get.
Correct!
Telling the truth in the face of danger is very consistent with the True Catholic Faith and the many Saints and Martyrs.
So hamas is good? You said a lot of things and scolded egm and others but didn't call out hamas for their atrocities to civilians. You can certainly hold the position that Palestinians civilians have had a terrible plight but that does not excuse what hamas did to Israelis and has been doing to Palestinians for decades.
I consider it immoral to condemn the reaction to the genocide that my tax dollars fund and the media of my society facilitates. As RFK said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. Rather than castigate the response to Israeli genocide that the US funds to the tune of 3+ billion per year and facilitates further with regional wars (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Ukraine) for Israel costing millions of lives and trillions of dollars, why not do all we can to stop the genocide the root cause of the violence instead? (I am not only Catholic, I am also an engineer, so I try to be practical and a problem solver. How about you?)
None of these positions you are holding are truly Catholic nor are they coherent given the piece you are commenting on. "Give to Cesar that which is Cesar's and give to God that which is God's". I don't doubt for a second that my tax dollars are supporting both sides of every war. That doesn't mean I don't call out atrocities when I see them in broad daylight (like what Hamas has done). The true answer is for Muslims around the world to be converted to the true faith, Catholicism. In my current state in life I can't do much more than pray for them, which is what I do.
Do you also pray for the conversion of the Jews? Because we are supposed to. Do you call out atrocities and wars and war crimes carried out in the name of the Jewish people? You seem to have some blind spots. It takes a bit more courage to call out Israel's crimes than those of any Muslim actors in the world just now. I hope you don't hide behind our faith as an excuse to display cowardice.
Just for the record, I think you meant JFK.
Thank you, you are correct.
take the beam out of your eye..
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I can relate to what you wrote but some things just don´t add up:
- Egypt warned Israel something was going to happen.
- Israel has one of the best Intelligence agencies. Heck, it collaborates with the best agencies and they didn´t see this coming?
- The site which was attacked was undefended. It was an open door.
- Why didn´t the border surveillance systems work?
- Why did it the Israeli military take so long to react?
- Where were the border patrols anyway?!
Don´t get me started but this smells like it was done intentionally to start another proxy war...?!
And who benefits?
What group has been obsessed with getting the US to attack Iran? What group has the power to get Israel to stand down its defenses?
Means, Motive, Opportunity.
The usual suspects? The NeoCons?
Agreed in large measure. I've got serious doubts this Hamas attack was all that it seemed. There is a definite thread of hidden hands gaining some long-term geo-political advantage here.
Weapons manufacturers spiked 10% in a day. That's big for that market cap.
Ukraine-Russia US made mess vanishes from public eye.
Evil terrorist threat rises again, just before an election year - can the Dems do better than the Reps did 20 years ago.
False flags all the way down.
The most cynical part of my brain believes the US regime is happy to pivot to this as the current thing because the evangelical voting bloc will uniquely waive their general instincts and interests over it for eschatological reasons. More generally it cuts across the right along different lines than most other issues. Plenty of potential for infighting as well as diversion.
Yep. Hard to get the populace jazzed up about Ukraine anymore. But Israel, the Holy Land, fighting for its life against the Muslim horde--that will awaken American Christian sympathies.
MOAR OIL!!!! Love it! We are run by ideaological zealots here in Canada - they refuse 😡
Trust me, the US Left hates oil until they need it for election purposes...
Or to heat their 2nd homes in the country
I feel for you all there in my home country...what has happened there in the last four years stuns me. Thank God I moved away long ago.
Excellent hypothesis.
boriquagato ignores the long, deep history of Mossad-Hamas cooperation. Hamas, affiliated with the British-controlled Muslim Brotherhood, was originally created and funded by Mossad with the intention of weakening Fatah, Yasser Arafat's organization. Hamas took the side of ISIS in the Syrian Civil War. Why were Hamas fighters allowed to slice through Israeli border defenses like a hot knife through butter. Does Iran control Israeli defenses as well as Hamas? Do your really think Netanyahu would hesitate to sacrifice a thousand Israelis to justify the next "lawn mowing" in Gaza, let alone the annexation of Gaza and expulsion of all its inhabitants?
I'd love to read boriqugato's reply to your questions, anti-republocrat.
My thoughts exactly!
Luckily for us, the Permian basin is cranking out record levels of oil and gas despite the hostility from the current administration. Investors need confidence that oil and gas won't be shut down so they can convert certain refineries to process sweet crude. Right now the heavy crude most American refineries process must be imported. But if investors did not have to worry about their money being flushed down the toilet with this hostile administration, maybe they would take the risk.
Energy security is national security. And America is becoming weak. Leadership needs to take the chains off.
One has to wade through a lot of lies to get to anything like truth. Like Covid-19, little is to be believed. The task is finding balance and equilibrium in the mounting chaos. Progressives and warpigs are like pees in the pod.
https://williamhunterduncan.substack.com/p/some-thoughts-on-the-war
A neighbor remarked yesterday that "this is Israel's 9/11," to which I replied, "yup," but we were talking about different things.
Why do we have to support anyone?
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