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It cannot be ruled out it might be human nature to coerce others to do what you have already done because you feel insecure and underconfident about the possibility that what you have done is right.

If this is true, then forcing others to do things that you've already done might be a way to cope with uncertainty and existential insecurity. This doesn't lower the risk that what one did was wrong, just that you now have everyone on board and cannot take blame singularly.

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...misery LOVES company...

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Oops you beat me to it. :) so true

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What you describe sounds an awful lot like sin. The sinner has done wrong and does not wish to stand alone with his sin and be cast out. So he encourages others to sin like him and so assuages his guilt, for if all commit the sin, who is left to call him a sinner?

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God

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Well, yeah, God, obviously….😉

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Sounds like textbook narcissism to me. The simplest and most painless route to correction after an error is acknowledgment of the error and the resultant course correction...unless you have a pathological fear of acknowledging your own errors. The narcissistic view of self is fixed--the person believes (unconsciously) that people are fundamentally and unchangeably either good or bad. Narcissists construct self-flattering fictions in order to avoid the crushing shame they experience whenever they aren't able to pretend they are THE BEST. Extremely narcissistic people will throw anyone and also anything--most notably faithfulness to reality--under they bus to preserve their ability to adhere to the fiction that they are basically perfect. A LOT of people are pathological narcissists because a lot of people do not experience intimacy and security in early childhood. In modernity, a woman is a total freak if she chooses to be a full time mother, exclusively breastfeed (no bottles), cosleep, wean naturally around age 4.5 yrs, and carry her child everywhere she goes for that 4.5 years. That is actually what young humans had almost 100% of the time for thousands and thousands of years. These are biological needs. Hardly anyone gets that kind of beginning anymore, and naturally we have a society full of people who have had to develop coping mechanisms in early childhood that carry on for decades or their whole lifetime, and those coping mechanisms are maladaptive and problematic. I think enabling mothers to raise children this way again would correct so much of what seems to be "wrong" with humans as a species.

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Well adjusted people pay a dear price for living on the same planet with hordes of people who have low self esteem

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"did you also do the stupid thing I did so i can normalize my idiocy?"

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More like "Did you not want to do this thing I did because you think it's unnecessary or worse? Lol. How will you prove that it was the case when I can force you to do it anyway so that nobody including me or you will ever find out because we can't know if nobody's not done it? "

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It's called eliminating the control group. Think that's been done a few times already.

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It's the safest way to never have to know if you messed up or not.

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that sounds really true for a several people I know. Once you say a very sturdy NO way, they shut up.

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“Misery loves company”

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They can't "untake"the injections, so some must now be even more tormented than we are.

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That is one reason I try not to raise the subject. I can hear from a few people that is exactly what they feel - the anxiety of having a poison in your veins that cannot be taken out, and no one knows what will be in the future for them. If you get sick from a virus, even a new one, you have at least an idea what is going to come. But they have no idea.

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Heart- rending, and they can't even talk about it.

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I think we want to be careful about Simpson's paradox. The numbers he posted

"Unvaccinated - 257,357 cases, 722 deaths. 0.28% case fatality rate.

Vaccinated - 336,215 cases, 1,820 deaths. 0.54% CFR."

are aggregates. A majority of the unvaccinated cases were in children and they have a very robust immune system that drives down the averages for Case-Fatality Rates. The Vaccinated are much older.

On the other hand, what we can say confidently is that the "partially" vaccinated will never have a lower Case Fatality Rate than unvaccinated and that alone should make people pause.

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Aren't the partially "vaccinated" lumped in with the "unvaccinated?" And isn't it the case that one is not considered fully "vaccinated" until two weeks after receiving the second (soon it will third, and then fourth, etc.) dose? That is the way it is being done in most of these so-called statistical studies, and it raises the infection and death rates for the "unvaccinated" significantly. If the partially "vaccinated" and the fully "vaccinated" who received their second dose less than two weeks prior to falling ill or dying were categorized as "vaccinated," the infection and death rate for that group would be much, much higher.

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Why not just start calling ourselves the never vaccinated?

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This has me thinking about how few of us actually are never vaccinated, with any of the different types of vaccines to theoretically prevent various illnesses. I don't think I know a single adult who is never vaccinated. I am a health care practitioner so I've seen thousands of people's vaccine records. Talk about confounding the data and obliterating the control group. I mean, what might myocarditis, Guillain Barre, etc rates be in a truly never vaccinated control group? We may never know.

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my father in law (66yr old man) was double jabbed, received his 3rd shot approx 6 mo after dose #2, inside of the following week - he lost his sense of smell & taste & subsequently tested positive for covid.

has now since recovered.

but,

what statistic is he, a double jabbed 'breakthrough' case, an unvaccinated case or triple jabbed breakthrough, or something else these clowns may come up with?

the powers that be have muddied statistics in the USA from the start, even changing definitions of vaccine & anti-vaxer among others...

i am happy to be in the jab free control group; where my children will also remain.

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How did he manage with Covid?

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he lost sense of taste & smell for a few days, mild head ache for 2 days...it was almost a non event. if not for the loss of taste/smell he never would have been tested.

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These abominations are not human. Therefore, human nature has nothing to do with their behavior.

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As a Christian it has been hard to reconcile God's divine spark in every human with the staggering lack of courage and capacity most humans operate with- especially in 2021. But there it is. When Stanley Milgram did his obedience studies in 1962 he thought that 3-5% would give the full 450 volt shock. It was 65%. This is what is required of you. Share it widely >

https://youtu.be/SNgFvjyL4U8

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That 65% is about the percentage vaccinated...

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Indeed it is Linda.

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The percentage injected here in NZ is higher than 65%, quoted today at 84.2% "fully vaccinated", but if much of this was due to caving to extreme coercion, it is more like caving to torture, and who can judge someone for being unable to withstand torture?

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Thanks for sharing that video. Hopefully more people will be like that guy.

On the lighter side, now I know where that scene from Ghostbusters came from.

https://youtu.be/NUeNzCBqhu8

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"with the staggering lack of courage" - hell, I'd settle for tolerance. The anger and their arrogance is disgusting.

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Men are women!

Vaccines are safe and effective!

Fat is healthy!

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Eat more sugar ! More corn flakes, less vegetables ! (don't let your children read this LOL)

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Hey, Fauci! Up your nose with a rubber hose!

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♥️ for the Sweathogs👍

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It's easy to mock these deluded little fascists for their incoherent and violent devotion to their ideology, and we really should, but it's important to understand where they are coming from to understand what we are facing. Fo a long time I've been reading about fascism to understand what it is they see in modern day Western democracies but it's much simpler than any of that; they believe liberal democracies will always descend into violent, repressive fascism if not pushed to toward the communist utopia of equality for all. So not only are they fighting for the communist utopia bit fighting to protect themselves from absolute oppression.

Of course, they won't be able to tell you how being violent and oppressive in the name of "anti-fascism" is any better than, y'know, the violence and oppression of the fascism they're so afraid of.

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it is war, the worst loss so far is election integrity. if mail in voting is not stopped look forward to a rerpeat of germany 1933, with one side armed to the teeth.....

why the media is gaslighting about the big lie but no one is auditing to disprove the big lie.s

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I think it's even simpler than that. Fascism is another form of collectivism (a particularly manic variety). Not all fascists want communism, but philosophically would see communism more favorable than anarchy (extreme individualism). Both communism and fascism are forms of collectivism, which is the left side of the ideological spectrum. The fact that they can be opposed to one another doesn't matter. You can certainly have rival collectives on the same side of the political/ideological spectrum. Assigning Hitler and fascism to "the right" is showing itself to be perhaps the biggest historical grifts of all time. No wonder so few understand it. As an individualist, it (fascism) never made sense to me. I didn't fully grasp it (and I tried) until the past year, as I've seen the same spirit at work, coming purely from the left. Surprise. Surprise.

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Although fascism is on the "right" side of communism. Maybe that's contributed to the confusion. Either way, it's left us philosophically incoherent, which certainly contributes to being blindsided and history "repeating itself".

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Good again Mike.

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Mike, you have summed up really well what I have been trying to tell people for years. I might borrow your post to quote, to strengthen my argument.

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Thanks for the encouragement. Very few have given this hypothesis credence. You have to be wiling to cut through a lot of BS and rethink a lot of things we were told and assumed were true, like fascism being a "right wing" phenomenon. In this particular example, we were left vulnerable and were blindsided. As long as our largest and most powerful institutions (collectives) were controlled by left-wing "liberals" (another red herring political buzz word), at least we'd never have fascism, right? We sure dodged a bullet by getting rid of that fascist authoritarian Trump, right? Pure philosophical idiocy. We were too disoriented and didn't see it. And I think those on the left truly believed what they were saying. True ideology is immune to political BS, and when the time is right, it will rise up show it's true colors. This is one of those times. We should be taking copious before partisan historians butcher the story and again leave us philosophically incoherent, disoriented and vulnerable.

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Hi Mike,

Might I suggest that you have a Substack to expand on these ideas. This historical ideological background isn't getting the investigation due to the all pervading "in-the-face" injections.

So many angles!

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Thanks. I've been considering it, if only to vent.

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People think that Fascism is only a thing in Nationalistic terms.

And that Communism is the global ideology.

Here we now have global Fascism with the hand in hand working with big business.

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Someone help me . I just literally went into a restaurant to order food for thanksgiving day. The lady made me put on a mask. It was crowded with diners maskless sitting down. I asked her , look around you , does the virus suddenly disappear bc you’re sitting down?? She told me it’s bc they are eating . 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️Help me someone . Humanity is doomed.

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Don’t forget serving as freelance Brownshirts to instigate Reichstags used to usher in fascist emergency measures!

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Go away Paula.

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at least she covered up her googly boobs this time.

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We experience the world through Centralized LOgistics Worldwide NetworkS: social media, network news, food, fuel, water, cheap plastic clown crap. We should rate every technology by a “individual freedom” metric and get off the stuff that doesn’t enhance our metric.

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you ARE The Man from U.N.C.L.E.😀👍

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Sad day for Canada today. Shots for kids 5 to 11 are approved. All the "experts " on CBC are telling people it's perfectly safe and no bad reactions in the United States. Same old. Same old. Just a different age group. What a clown show.

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'Clown show' is too innocuous a description. What is happening in Canada - what with the closure of escape routes for the unvaccinated and now the injections on 5 year olds - is evil. You just now that most Canadians are looking at what is happening in Austria and thinking 'Yeah, we should do that here.'

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I totally agree with you. The Canadian media's reporting about Austria was typical. Not one comment as to why this is a really bad idea. Presented as perfectly normal and acceptable. We're in for a rough ride.

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Are there ways to cross illegally and claim asylum from the Covidians?

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Here in NZ, Cindy has promised that she won't be mandating injections for 5 - 11yr olds when introduced in January. She has ordered them already. (No need to "mandate" them herself - her comrades will do that job.)

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thanks for the Welcome Back Kotter throwback...good times!

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Yes--genius!

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People I’ve met honestly believe that vaccinating everyone will allow us to end the pandemic ... as they walk around double masked bc the vax is not “100% effective .” And that the unvaccinated are the reason that we are still prolonging it.

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I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm an ANTIVACCIST

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You forgot to add: “Which product, as evidence mounts with each passing day, apparently does more harm than good to nearly all those forced to take it.”

The clown car is getting full.

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More like the clown coral, but nobody's bothered to muck-out the stables.

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...really worried sick about loved ones... friends and family... who have taken it ...

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Me too. A tiny glimmer of hope. My 26 year old grandson had 2 pfizer shots and after the second one he vomited all night. He told me yesterday he wasn't interested in a booster at this point. He, like many other people had the shots in order to keep his job. So sad.

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It makes me so FURIOUS that jobs were used as leverage!

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... the “boosters” need to stop immediately... if you need a booster every few months it’s efficacy useless anyways... this is evil nonsense...

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I had been concerned that China would attack us. But they probly won’t. We’re rolling headlong into a domestic bloodbath. American-born scum are very willing to do the Communist’s dirty work on the cheap, so they can use their military might against other plum targets.

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I bet this is their attack. Non linear warfare. Subvert countries from within.

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It’s called “Assassin’s Mace”. The only war plan among several in which their computer models didn’t show them getting trounced. This one showed them winning.

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clown make-up is their guerilla camo....

as blm/mao said the 'clowns are like fish swimming in the sea of the peasants.'

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Or you could FAKE it like Maria Carrey just did.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/mariah-carey-caught-taking-fake-vaccine/

That's as bad as the Ontario Minister of Health faking her flu vax in 2019! Pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fttEVSIIPyI

or Fausti forgetting which arm was injected the next day. What happened? Did he have a bad acid trip and forget which side is left or right? LMAO

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It's almost as if we never really understood what fascism is. We just know it's a right-wing concept. That we know for sure.

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Good memes. Yes, Antifa is pro-establishment, in the US. That right there makes them clowns.

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Clown world: according to the dictionary, I am still a liberal.

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My favorite line directed at Fow-chee: “He’s not going to lawyer his slimy, rat-faced way out of this one.” May it be so!

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https://strongandfreecanada.org/vlog/the-iron-will-report-friday-november-19th/ Sometimes we need a good laugh to keep sane! This is pretty funny. Just watched it. Enjoy.

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Jonathan Pageau talks about carnival/clown world in some of his videos/podcasts early on. He’s got an interesting take in line with this.

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short list of all the "press/activists" that didn't die rioting all of 2020 see: https://woke.net/streamers

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That's a handy little list to reference. *puts in rhetorical back pocket*

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i watched them travel the country since May 29th 2020 all through the year and even today you can find them streaming (oddly not a 1 was vaccinated all of 2020 and still nobody died)

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I hate totalitarianism and I don't want to control people's lives. BUT.... if tomorrow the gov'ts/corporate classes of the world actually wanted to focus all human efforts towards space travel and colonization, I would be onboard with mandating whatever the hell needs to be done. So, I am a hypocrite in that way. If you want to scare me and control all the aspects of my life, could it at least be for a noble goal? Instead, all we're currently living through are endless narratives based on lies, that only enriches the parasitic elites. I guess the need to coerce others is an inherent to human nature, on some level.

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Mr. Kotter, aren't we just supposed to say NO to drugs?

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Clowning is done by great giving fun people in the community. Kids and adults love clowns.

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Anti fascist means fascist. They always to claim to be the opposite of what they are. Just like "Don't Be Evil".

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Could someone please describe the FUNCTIONAL differences between fascism and communism for me? For the life of me, I can't differentiate historical results between any of the totalitarian collectivist ideologies. Sorta like Henry Ford's model T in any color you'd like...

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Can't recall where I found this but here are some ism differences:

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then gives you some milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then sells you some milk.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

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Ayn Rand wrote about this. She defined it as "Statism" in contrast to egoism, that is personal responsibility, self-sufficiency, libertarianism, and similar concepts now deemed archaic, selfish, "Un-Woke", "binary", unenlightened; liable to censure and banishment from politics, education, and medical practice.

Recall that the Nazi Party of Hitler has been translated in English as "National Socialist Party" as long as I can recall. The results are as you describe, no different.

Try this: Louis XIV- "L'Etat C'est Moi"; WEF- "La Terre C'est Nous."

The western structure of the corporate ownership of the governments of the US and EU, the Chinese structure of the CCP, and Putin's thugocratic hold in Russia are equivalent to Orwell's three (sort of ) antagonists in 1984.

There may be some hope left in India, I am not sure.

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Both are totalitarian and capable of inconceivable evil.

My impression is that fascists will leave businesses alone as long as they obey. Communists have to take over everything, screwing it up in the process.

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..see my note below.

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