Actually no. Mathematicians prove. Scientists and the scientific method can not prove. They can only provide evidence in favor of or against hypotheses.
Just mentioning that in case some woke redditor tries to crawl upp your a$$ about it someday.
Interestingly, if science can't "prove" anything then by extension it can't really "debunk" anything either, just provide evidence against it. The minute I see "debunk" in a headline I assume I am being gaslighted.
These terms don't have absolute and universal definitions. A scientific theory with sufficiently incontrovertible empirical support can be said to be "proven", and that's commonplace. Reddit pedants are just ignorant, or playing mind games.
Yes and no. There are very few absolutes in the world. I support you in the sense that mathematics is considered the "purest" science. It is one of the very few areas of human knowledge where the Platonic "real" (I think of it as existing wholly in the mind) describes the "apparent" (what I call the "real") world. Of course, even that statement need not be true. I'm no expert, but I'm sure a philosophy can be concocted that says 2+2=5 or that gravity repels. Unlike our imagination however, the physical universe has its own laws that man can discover but can't change. Eric mentions the scientific method but doesn't fully describe it. It begins with an observation and a guess (a hypothesis) of cause and effect. The "evidence in favor of or against" is obtained by repeated trials and observations and adjusting the hypothesis as necessary. If successful, a "theory" in the strong sense emerges. Yes, it's always subject to falsification. But when well done, that theory will gladly take on all comers.
True science has the refreshing (or, depending upon one's ideology, depressing) feature of not giving a damn about one's wishes or politics. Alas, science has (or can) show that many treasured beliefs are utter rubbish. We're seeing quite a bit of that in the vaxx spectacle, to be sure. For the ideologue of any political stripe, the eternal problem remains that Reality will not bow to his demands. No matter how many faculty are fired for being uncooperative, how many edicts are issued, how many intellectuals are shot or sent to the camps, no matter how many pretty sounding words are issued by hacks in non-science positions, it's that darn stubborn old reality that always wins.
Even so, at least until the van comes for me, it's always a pleasure to shut down one of these foaming-at-the-mouth idealists, when possible, by simply observing that their claims fly in the face of known science or knowledge. They are, I'll say, free to prove their case and perhaps collect a Nobel prize. But from their point of view, it's easier to call me a racist or a white supremacist, or whatever the epithet of the week is. 🙄
Scientists, mathematicians, and everybody else have beliefs and opinions. We're all human. Some of us can articulate the reasoning and evidence that supports our beliefs. Some of us can change our beliefs as that reasoning and evidence evolves. "Scientists" supposedly have a lot of training and social process and norms around that. When you see "science" being used as an opaque token of authority, that's just authoritarian bullshit. None of this is even remotely new, it's just been cranked up to 11 lately.
Another one they use is "there is no evidence for such and such." The casual reader would think that studies have been done and found no evidence, but this is increasingly used for "this hasn't been studied so there is no evidence". 🤪
Because NIH/CDC/Wellcome Trust wouldn't give a penny for such research, or to anyone that dares to do any of it without their blessing and outside of their control.
What gets me is that "scientists" and "experts" are all monolithic. According to the media, they all agree, all of the time, with no dissent, and everything they agree appears to be against my own personal interests... and they don't need to *prove* anything, their mere opinion is enough to base public policy on and push opinions onto the masses without critique. Very strange, eh.
There's a fun new boardgame mocking the Covid idiocy---"Science Says".....SS wear your mask; SS get a vaccine; SS get another vaccine; SS get a booster; SS stay at home, SS wash your hands; SS social distance, etc etc etc
The players: Gov't, Pharma, Media, Mere Mortals
objectives avoid Covid, avoid Covid jail, make a billion $, save your liberty
Great idea ! Just update the existing 'Monopoly' game with these factors. It would be a smash hit ! A best seller ! And MAYBE the best way too get the REAL info out there ???
What we're discussing is partly an example of how the meaning of words are changed ("hijacked" would be a better verb): Consider "vaccine." Until about 2020, that word had a fixed definition. While there were early failures of course, as in any scientific endeavor, the fact is that the most successful vaccines were nearly perfect. They had very few adverse effects. They provided immunity for life, or at least many years. (Please don't go off on an autism rant here -- I'm just making the case for what "vaccine" meant in the eyes of the vast majority of citizens.) As we all know, the mRNA jabs didn't quite fit the traditional definition so the definition was changed, slightly. The mRNA products do bear some functional resemblance to traditional vaccines, but with a year's widespread use, they've fallen far short in terms of efficacy and probably safety. Yet the powers that be still label them "vaccines."
A parallel argument can be made, and already is being made here: "Science" has a fixed, traditional meaning. That word too has been arrogated by the powers that be. You guys are absolutely correct in saying that in current use, its meaning is more at "religion" or perhaps simply "belief."
These are but two examples of words being appropriated, being stripped of their original meanings, and put to devious purpose.
I'm no scientist, but I would take it further still.
I wonder if because our limited human senses may not be capable of observing all possible phenomena (as my limited, superficial understanding of theoretic physics would lead me to believe), any observations we can make, regardless of tools of measurement that we might employ, is built on the presumption that our human senses are actually sensing enough of what really exists to make more than an educated guess.
But then, I know nothing. I just couldn't help myself: please forgive me!
Science isn't a religion, but scientism is. We aren't getting science. We're getting the convictions of biased researchers as conveyed by biased reporters, all according to the individual's perceptions of what should be seen.
Yes, except it’s hard to think of any religion, even at its worst, this mendacious, this destructive, this deadly. Maybe some fringe cults, like Jonestown, but that was almost certainly a CIA mind control experiment, which brings us full circle.
In some ways religion is a science. A Greek and Roman one as it happens. A psychological war on the citizens of Greece and Rome. Organized by the inheritors of Plato.
Nietzsche calls Christianity "Platonism for the masses." I've read all of him and most of Plato. There is much great wisdom in these, but also much that is silly. That's probably true of nearly any philosophical (religious) dialectic. Historically, what we now call "science" was called "natural philosophy" until just a few centuries back. I use the older term to support my next explanation of the obvious. Man's mind can imagine all manner of fantastic concepts. These may have a relationship to the real world ranging from "not at all" to "nearly indistinguishable." What we call the scientific method most closely approaches the latter. You can indeed think of "science" as a religion (belief system) but one that must describe and predict the real world in useful ways. It is always subject to revision or even refutation, but the burden of proof should be on the one making that claim.
I'm not calling science a religion although the modern woke version certainly is. I also havn't read much Nietzshe if any. I'm suggesting that Plato's meanderings gave heft to emerging or current empires to try and control the population via ideology disguised as religion. The religions imposed quickly became something else as they interacted with those it was imposed on but nevertheless we have been left with Zeus and Apollo who removed from the controls of other gods, especially the likes of Hera and Artemis, then gave us capitalism, a system designed to extract.
Current elites are thinking, it seems, that they can replace religion with AI and medical tyranny. I'm not sure how they think that they can survive in such a sterile world. It seems like a final double down in a suicide that nature has decided on if we head that way.
I am not familiar with them. Although maybe I just don't remember. The name seems vaguely familiar but then maybe (after a brief look at his bio) that's due to several trips to the tri-cities (Gdansk, Sopot, Gydinia) in Poland.
In my group of hiking friends, 3 men have had increased heart issues over the last 6ish months. One will no longer hike anything with elevation increase, one is getting a stent soon and the other is walking greenways more than hiking. Prior to this, the latter hiked between 89-100 miles a month. For a fairly healthy, active group of people, I’m sad to say there are only two of us pure bloods.
I'm sorry the emotional stress of the pandemic is destroying your friends' health. Perhaps they could get a psychotherapist to talk them through their myocarditis.
The solution to all of this, of course, is to impose a global corporatist state, with one dear leader to rule them all, surrounded by a court of wise mandarins whispering in the emperor's ear.
Personally, I cannot wait when I get to rent my house and underwear from Klaus, finally be happy, and as an added bonus, be completely immune to heart issues.
This would be funnier if it weren't for all those anecdotes going around about doctors telling their patients that their AE symptoms are psychosomatic.
Sorry Guttermouth . . . (Guttermouth?? Speaks volumes) . . . but I had pericarditis a number of years ago caused by a bad respiratory infection (viral?). I have never read of an association between myocarditis/pericarditis and stress . . . however, it is well known that once pathogens attack the body . . . caused by ill-fortune encounters or by human action introducing the pathogen . . . having a high stress level weakens/disrupts the body's immune response to the pathogen.
High stress is, well, a stressor 🙂. The only two times I caught bacterial pneumonia in my life was two incidents, months apart, my first year of Army training. I was surely in the peak of physical health and fitness (other than smoking). Also living in tightly packed quarters, a Petri dish of respiratory infections.
I fear for today's youth, in and out of the military. It seems likely that many of them are going to have sundry severe perhaps life-long health issues. All causes by stress, of course.
I've noticed the same phenomenon: hiking companions having to bail out after short walks with mild elevation gains. I can no longer hike with them and get any kind of workout. One of my buddy's wife now has A-fib. Another's wife contracted West Nile Virus shortly after getting her 'booster" (can you say suppressed natural immunity?). I keep this under my hat with them, but I suspect they're beginning to figure it out. What is the only significant change in theirs and their spouses lives in the past year? The vax.
Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Steven R Gundry
Originally published8 Nov 2021Circulation. 2021;144:A10712
We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination
More importantly, he has a large cohort he has been tracking for years, as his patients, so marker confounders and detailed, relevant data should be available to test the hypothesis of vacination injury or inflammation marker increase.
Problem is that raw data is not available, just his summary of analysis of that data. The summary is convincing to people who have decided the vax is injurious - I've tweeted it myself. However without the raw data you cannot really argue its veracity in good faith. Therein lies the problem. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Are you saying that Gundry is refusing to release the raw data? If that is the case, it's pretty damning. Or is it that they haven't been published and there hasn't been a separate analysis of it?
There's no paper per se. What we have seen is the abstract from a poster that was presented at a conference. It's not very convincing at a journal / non-peer reviewed level at all. Alas.
To be fair, I noticed the same thing in my friends, but unfortunately, it seems due to most of my friends gaining significant amounts of weight during the pandemic lockdowns. :-(
Is it worth tracking these anecdotes? Could you be bothered recording some basic details like age / activity delta / symptoms or the like if a website existed to do it?
One out of the three seems to be “awake” now. I think it must be a difficult awakening when you’ve put your (blind) trust in doctors to prescribe whatever. And if you think you are dependent on pharmaceuticals to keep you going, then you don’t want to question your doctor too much. It’s a sick cycle until you decide to do your own research.
Ha! I did not know that saying but yes, that is what I think too. That is why all these so called coincidences are probably premeditated. I read now that doctors and governments are going to blame post pandemic trauma disorder or some other quack sickness for all the bad jab coincidences. A genial way out isn't it? The government, bigpharma, the so called scientists and all the doctors, plus all the blind sided patients, can just blame the newly invented sickness for their misery. Just like they did before with other useless jabs. Became a true antivaxxer since this happened LOL
So have I. And if anybody calls me one I don't care. It's quack science, actually it's worse than quack science it's genocide in a needle and always has been.
How many of your friends got the covid vaccine? Are your vaccinated hiker friends the ones having heart issues? A recent publication in the American Hearty Association Journal said "mRNA covid vaccines dramatically increase endothelial inflammatory markers and Acute Coronary Syndrome (heart attack) risk by 25%"
The group consists of around 20ish hikers, some who hike only occasionally, with a fairly consistent core group of 10ish. I only know for sure that one other in the whole group who did not get vaccinated. Yes, it is the vaccinated ones having problems, all men, interestingly enough. The oldest, 74, a runner in good shape, started having AFib while we were on a trail. He has only done a fairly flat hike closer to home since then and I can’t blame him. I haven’t seen him to ask if he correlates that to the vax. The thing is that they all had blood pressure issues before the vax so I’m not sure this is sounding any alarms. I did mention the vax to one who has curtailed his hiking and both he and his cardiac nurse girlfriend were aware of the issues with the vaccine now. We are a mix of 60+ and 40+ age group, more women than men. As healthy and active as they are, it is so odd to me that they seem to blindly trust pharmaceuticals and think I am a weird anomaly on no prescription meds (at 62yo.)
It is very important that we convince our friends and colleges who took the vaccine - that booster shots are too high risk for them. If your friends are over 70 HIGH risk people (with obesity or diabetes) the can make an argument where their risk from covid is higher than the vaccine risk. However, for your younger, physically fit friends, we need them to say “no” to boosters. We need more Americans to join us. We will need the vaccinated to join us against boosters.
UK announced today that they are planning to mandate the Booster jab on everyone over 18 (and possibly everyone over 12) EVERY 3 MONTHS!
YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING. We must all say NO!
Our lives literally depend on it. If not - World War 3 is coming - it will be the governments of the world against their own people over a virus with a > 99.9% survival rate. Although it sure seems like it’s about more than that.
I think it wasn't a paper (yet?), but rather a poster presented at a conference, from what I can learn. See more here - Conference Abstract, Scientific Sessions 2021
I'm a woman in my mid-50's. At age 50 I was a world champion in my age group for sprint distance triathlon. I've completed 9 Ironman races, including the Hawaii Ironman x 2. I wasn't at my peak of fitness last summer, by any means, but still a daily aerobic exerciser far fitter than most people my age. Since about a week after the second Pfizer vaccine last July, I've had palpitations, weak and dizzy spells, massively decreased exercise tolerance and some abnormal cardiac tests (>12,000 premature atrial contractions on a 24 hour Holter monitor, enlargement of both atria on echocardiogram). No one will acknowledge that this is connected to the vaccine, and maybe it is purely coincidental but I don't think so.
I am so sorry. It is heartbreaking. As is typical, most people think if they did ok with the shot, it must be fine all around. Even Dr. Malone said he did not attribute skyrocketing blood pressure to the shots at first. The entire health system (certainly not care) has created a never ending faucet of funds if not directly from Covid, now from shot damage.
Hi Julie - I am a RN and have a lot of experience with cardiac arrhythmias.
Is it coincidental? Sure. Could be. Arrhythmias frequently happen and no one can pin point a cause.
But when THOUSANDS of people are reporting the same event within hours or days or a handful of weeks after the vaccine, why is there such studied disinterest in finding out more?
Even if someone is pro vax all the way, why not PROVE there is no causation or even correlation?
Instead people like you are left to chat rooms and social media, finding others who had these other “coincidences.”
I would bet money your case is not coincidental. And I think when this is all said and done, you will find you are in a lot of company.
I hope your heart settles down and you are able to return to the health you enjoyed before this debacle.
Two things here: First, we have been teaching our "expert" class for years that they can tell us anything and we will swallow it hook, line, and sinker, so this is partly our fault. We have been treating politics like religion and following people blindly because they say what we want to hear rather than understanding that with freedom comes the responsibility to think for yourself and judge people on their actions, not their words (or an other arbitrary quality). And so they've gotten away with tripe like this, not only with COVID, but with many other issues. And at this point, especially with people like Fauci, it shouldn't be their careers on the line, but their freedom. Prison is the place Fauci should die, not his cushy little home.
Second: This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Who isolated all these younger people during COVID? Who caused all this stress? It wasn't the virus. The virus just is. It was the same people who are trying to gaslight us now. But either way, meaning even if what they say has an element of truth, they are responsible. The very people most affected by "post-pandemic stress" would not have been affected by the virus, and it was on them to find a policy that would thread the needle, so to speak. We pay these people a lot of money and put a lot of faith in them, and if their policies created that much emotional damage, the onus is still on them, and Fauci should still spend the rest of his miserable life rotting in jail.
Your first theme reminds me of the first time I went to the doctor here. I was already a difficult customer in Belgium but at least the doctor there knew about food and herbs and homeopathic treatments. When I started questioning the doctor here and gave him a hard time, he seemed to be stupified. I guess he never had a mouthy customer before LOL
Doctors in the US are assembly line workers. I don't hate them for it, but I do hate that they don't seem to acknowledge that limitation. And I've had similar experiences. A chiropractor and an herbalist gave me back my life after the medical system just told me to live with what was making my life more a matter of surviving than actually living.
Many but not all US doctors are morons. Doctors who do speak out are tarred, feathered, fired from their jobs and risk losing their medical license - just for speaking against the narrative. Many doctors are afraid to speak out. But you can still find some doctors who will help.
Exactly! Now they are force to say "the vaxes we forced on you caused your heart problems" and "the lockdowns we forced on you caused your heart problems." Tough spot. Sounds like a good time for war on China.
don't bring the to the idea. On second thought I think they had the idea to begin with. Blame China for the virus, then blame China for anything you can think of.
It gets off topic, but there probably are factions in the US (and Western) power structure that want a shooting war with China. I suspect Russia remains the favorite, however. It rapidly gets into history rarely taught in school, but it's pretty easy to figure out, in general terms of course, who has the historical animosities and for what reasons. "Follow the money" remains the best investigator's tool. Various wars and other persecutions factor in too.
What I find curious: save for a few relatively small actions, the USA itself has never been directly in a shooting war with either China or Russia.
One of the major sins of this entire affair is the damage being done to the words “science”, “scientist”, “expert” and “public health”. As the truths come out, more and more people will feel betrayed. More and more will not trust these words again.
And that is a shame.
On the flip side, I can only pray this leads more and more people to critical thinking and doing their own “fact checking”, rather than outsourcing that to Big Media and Big Tech.
I'm so violently against the medical "profession" now, that I'm likely to stipulate that they can't even perform an autopsy on me when I'm dead. There are only about 20 doctors worldwide who have acted with integrity in this whole fiasco and are worthy of their titles.
Actually, there's a nice writing project for you, Gato. Or any others who want to take it up. To compile a roll of the honourable doctors who have emerged out of this info war of medical desecration. Much like the Righteous among the Nations were for the Jews of the Holocaust. There will come a time for them to be remembered and vindicated.
My distrust of the entire medical establishment, and especially doctors, is off the chart at this point. Unfortunately, my nephew is a doctor and my DIL is in med school. They are both 100% brainwashed about the “safe and effective” whackzines. I have to be very careful what I say to which family member! My DIL was so happy several weeks ago about her upcoming booster. Then last week, right before Thanksgiving, she learned that a med school classmate, a 23 yo marathon runner, had suddenly died in her sleep of an aneurysm. You’d think that would have at least raised questions, but the brainwashing is very thorough!
13,000 doctors and scientists have signed the Rome Declaration. Some have become noticed for speaking out- most who speak out then suffer for it without much of anyone ever knowing their names.
INdeed. A number of people should start a movement for real healthcare, instead of health profit. There are already several good herbal and homeopathic sites online. I have ordered from a few for several years. People have to learn how to live again, take care of their own health and bodies again, not just going to the gym, which IMO as another unhealthy business. Be on your own or in a very small group to gym, like walk in your neighborhood, in the woods etc.
Why would I go for e.g. a colonoscopy only to risk being convicted of “Covid” based on false evidence and sentenced to die by ventilator and poison while being physically isolated from anyone who might advocate for me? All for the hospital to make a few ill-gotten dollars for treating a “Covid” case.
Right there too. I avoid doctors by all means. I got diagnosed 2 years ago with 'almost' diabetes, fussed at by nurses, pinched, drawn blood, because I went in for a rash.... I had to come back 2 weeks later after the doc told me it was probably a food allergy. Then he told me that if it did not go away, he would prescribe me some antibiotics ! For a food allergy ! I should have gone back to check my kidneys. No explanation given. Did not go back of course LOL
Why do people get diabetes I wonder. When did it become an issue? Why are Japanese people getting it more often. What is wrong with the 'Western' diet exactly.
When you have the time check out Sacred Cow, on Amazon Prime and/or Fat Fiction on YouTube, if you haven't already. Both docs go over the American diet and what's wrong.
I just wrote a letter to the Oregon Health Authority telling them why I am not renewing my health insurance this year; (I will not be vaxxed). The person who wrote back said that they (OHA) do not have a mandate. If I really cared, I would write again to tell him that with Biden pushing for it, and your minions still jabbing folks, that gosh, I just don't TRUST what they are saying. If I am in the system, I am more vulnerable than if I am not. I simply don't take any of the vax jabs, none of it; I like my innate immune system!
Not a shame, really. We've been long overdue for a big uptick in public skepticism of "experts". Things will be different going forward. Caveat emptor.
That is so true. We should view words as sacred. It's almost like political strategists sit around trying to find words that still elicit some element of public trust. Words that still hold power and public trust. Then they latch onto those words and use them to manipulate. They'll get a certain amount of traction and benefit until the word is generally observed as a sort of political joke. Then the word is lost, no longer useful, even counterproductive. We should view this as a tragedy.
Kinda like how the word "vaccine" used to mean something that actually protected against a disease until this one didn't. So, hey, let's change the meaning.
Since words are like symbols that we use not only to communicate to others, but in our inner dialogue, it makes sense that they would be valuable tools for any manipulator of humans.
In the US, courts are skewering the mandates. But I look with horror at what is happening in Germany, Austria and Australia.
The world will not be able to tolerate the US doing away with mandates and restrictions while so many other countries bring out their military to force injections.
Something has to break.
We in the US have a much stronger chance at making this go the right way.
This is what I am doing: I am donating money to people and organizations that helped me keep my sanity through this. Donate to the Substack writers who gave us all a lifeline: Jeff Childers, El Gato Malo, Eugyppius, Alex Berenson.
It doesn’t have to cost money. Contact your politicians and make sure they understand where you are on mandates and restrictions.
Target one person you encounter daily and in conversation, bring up how alarmed you are at what is happening in Austria or wherever. I am convinced most people do not know.
Even my needle worshiping friends were still when I mentioned it. An awkward silence fell and then they hurried to change subject. But I know they know now.
we still need to hear what scotus has to say on the vax mandates - but, for sure, a huge gap is opening up between Europe AusNZ and the USA - not even a hint - even in DC - about "compulsory" - I think it's a still functioning form of federalism in the US (hooray Florida!) - and perhaps a still functioning form of Christianity.
I live in a land of True Believers, and yet I can tell in a group conversation, almost no one is saying what they really think. Only the true believers keep talking. But, I think the mania will continue at least until 2023.
I'm still trying to figure out how occasionally one pees underneath mine 😛 I suspect it has to do with some combination of poor aim and surface tension, as I've occasionally done the same with our human equivalent.
"During the deacades Dr Fauci took over NIAID, he has sanctioned drug companies to experiment on at least fourteen thousand children, many of them Black and Hispanic orphans living in foster homes..."
The government's solution to widespread social alienation? More social alienation. It's like flushing a clogged toilet. Even if they want to say vaccines are not the cause of worse health outcomes, the vaccine mandates most certainly are. The terrible public health officials need to realize that our health is not public.
So, are we finally done saying that they're well-intended but stupid bureaucrats and stop demonizing those of us who had the sense to see evil for what it is, and hate it accordingly?
Let me know when the moral high ground of the covid skepticism community allows us to actually call our enemies enemies.
I've always called them blood-thirsty sociopathic monsters, but that's just me.
Let's ramp up the genocide in Yemen! Oh, yeah, and bomb Iran too, just for fun (after all they cause "mischief"). What's a couple hundred thousand more dead children? Killing kids seems to be a sport of theirs.
In some nations that's hard to avoid, as many poor nations where we like to play army have median populations ranging from 15-22. But with modern medicines, we've brought the sport of killing the young (and old) to our home nations, on the installment plan.
We need to GET THEM OUT OF OFFICE NOW. Sometimes I wonder if covid would disappear in america if Ron DeSantis or Ron Johnson or Kristi Knoem were president? Can we recall Biden??? Everything he touches turns to dog $Hit. (I wouldn’t dare say cat $hit. That would be insulting to Gato). Actually, El gato for president 2024. Can we recall Biden? El gato for president NOW!
I think self-serving and stupid are the answers. I don’t believe most of them are evil. I think they like the power they find themselves with and I think they lack the humility to admit error.
Using the label “evil” probably turns the uninformed off and makes them less trusting of the skeptic message. But, explaining these ”experts” actions as self-serving and egotist is probably an easier place for the average uninformed person to get to.
People recognize and relate to self-interest and ego easier than evil, even when they’re in the same place.
The point is you won’t convince the masses that believe the “experts” shit is true by labeling those “experts” as evil. I’ve tried. The vast majority of people believe those “experts” are good people. You have to find better ways to plant doubt than using a word like “evil” - it won’t sell to them and won’t make it easier to change their minds. It just makes it easier for them to dismiss your message as the rantings of a right winger / conspiracy theorists / anti-vaxxer…
Yes to that. Even just pointing out minor flaws in the narrative of your opponent. Rather than argue that Facui is part of a worldwide conspiracy to cull or enslave humanity, perhaps something as modest as observing that the vaxxes really haven't lived up to their promises of just a year ago: they don't prevent infections very well, and they're not very potent if boosters are required every few months. Sometimes planting a single seed of doubt will be more effective than force-feeding the entire Burpee catalog at one sitting. 🤠
I believe this is correct. You have to avoid the personal attacks, however much warranted, and try to get people to see that the data shows there's a problem.
I'm not worried about convincing the masses. I'm talking to supposedly like-minded people on a forum. I want to know if people who know better can finally call it what it is. The masses will have to convince themselves.
>> You have to find better ways to plant doubt than using a word like “evil” - it won’t sell to them and won’t make it easier to change their minds.
The top-selling books in the US in most major outlets (and at least briefly on the NYT list) are the "Fauci is actually a monster" expose and the Berenson book. People are apparently quite receptive to the idea that the people that have been ruining their lives and their societies are evil.
Good and evil do exist, but only as human standards and far from universal ones at that. In human affairs, perspective (perception) is everything. In the Bible, Jesus says God sends rain on both the just and the unjust. In strictly worldly terms, leaving the Deity out of the argument, rain is simply a force of nature. "Good" or "bad" are merely opinions of man. In the arid Mideast, rain is relatively rare and is appreciated as it waters the crops and animals alike. At another extreme, anyone who's lived through a hurricane or other deluge might conclude that water at times is "evil." It's all situational.
Relevant to the topic at hand, we may think of the vaxx-pushers and petty tyrants as "evil,"and so they are -- according to, say, a point of view that prefers proven medicines and a lighter hand in governance. Conversely, most of the agents in power would consider themselves doing "good," promoting or enforcing health policy, and anyone opposing them to be "evil."
Using reasoned argument (facts and figures, logic, science) will work for one audience, but casting themes in moral garb -- good/bad, righteous/evil -- might be appropriate for others.
I agree mostly. I am interested in convincing the masses because it’s the only way this ends.
I’ve spent a lot of time trying to convince people of the truth and most of the (I thought) smart people I know dismiss it - they’re all so bought into the mass media / big tech fed narratives. So calling our deified local public health leader here names like “evil” just makes folks tune out.
I agree Fauci is evil. And my local lockdown loving, vaxx-passport mandating heath leader is an egotist and stupid - but people here adore the guy and think he’s “saved” them all. And as long as the majority think that, we stay locked down and get more restrictions, not less.
Regardless, didn’t mean to trigger you. We’re on the same side! Peace!
At some point, it's every man for himself. If you're captain of the lifeboat, you can decide whom -- if anyone -- to haul aboard. Keep in mind that some lives are more worth saving than others, some people once aboard will be a help -- or a danger to the rest of the passengers. And for you altruists out there, perhaps the most depressing realization is that your powers are limited. There is an optimal number you can rescue: too few, and you could have done more. Too many, and everybody dies.
You know, propagandists were tried for war crimes after WWII. Just sayin'.
So for those journalists putting out these cover-up articles, you might want to think twice before putting your name on the byline. Are you getting paid enough to spew this crap? Maybe you should get a job at starbucks until this thing blows over.
Yes. Literally heard two radio ads in a row. First- get the vaccine. Second, make sure you seek medical help right away if you have any of these heart symptoms. Oh the irony.
"it is calculated and deliberate. they literally hired a whole pile of behavioral economists to learn how to do it"
There's actually a much more sinister rabbit hole to go down regarding this story:
"SIN France organises first UK-France bilateral workshop on Behavioural Science at Paris British Embassy"
"On 7 February 2019, the Paris British Embassy’s SIN team organised the “Influencing Behaviours through Science: UK-France Perspectives” workshop at the British Ambassador’s Residence.....It is thanks to a HMA Paris-hosted dinner in September 2017 that this workshop came about. The September 2017 dinner, in honour of Chris Whitty, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Department of Health and Social care, gathered several French health experts from government, policy, academia and industry. The dinner bore fruit in three particular areas: genomics, health data sharing and behavioural science."
I can’t wait for those, telling the ongoing lies, to start turning on one another. It will happen, because that is what humans do.
Please read today’s Hart Group’s newsletter an outstanding article by a UK GP. They are seeing an onslaught of adverse events, they have been gagged. And for all of us who might have thought the GP’s were not witnessing the horrendous outcomes of the koolaid, it is all there for everyone to read. Brought to you by a brave GP just telling it like it is. Hart Group is on Twitter.
Right? I saw this article linked on Twitter this a.m., and I just about fell off of my chair (now I'm singing Lobo in my head). I thought it a parody at first.
The article's "psychological therapist" is quoted, blaming "post-pandemic" stress disorder as the cause. Another surgeon chimes in with this: “I’ve seen a big increase in thrombotic-related vascular conditions in my practice. Far younger patients are being admitted and requiring surgical and medical intervention than prior to the pandemic.“I believe many of these cases are a direct result of the increased stress and anxiety levels caused from the effects of PPSD."
Next, the author interjects: "PPSD is a mental health condition induced by the pandemic. While it is not yet officially recognised, many experts believe it should be." So not even an official diagnosis (for all that's worth).
I'm going to use the article in question to test some friends. I will email it and ask them to tell me what is wrong with the article. If they don't see it, I will assume they remain under Fauci's spell.
That "scientists believe" headline kills me. Science, at this point, is indistinguishable from a religion, complete with a messianic Dr. Fraudci.
Agree. Scientists don’t “believe”, they “prove”.
Actually no. Mathematicians prove. Scientists and the scientific method can not prove. They can only provide evidence in favor of or against hypotheses.
Just mentioning that in case some woke redditor tries to crawl upp your a$$ about it someday.
Interestingly, if science can't "prove" anything then by extension it can't really "debunk" anything either, just provide evidence against it. The minute I see "debunk" in a headline I assume I am being gaslighted.
These terms don't have absolute and universal definitions. A scientific theory with sufficiently incontrovertible empirical support can be said to be "proven", and that's commonplace. Reddit pedants are just ignorant, or playing mind games.
I google fact checked you and it clearly states Fauci is science qnd your a crack pot theorist. /sarc
I heard someone literally call him God. That was a Md
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He's in good company with Harvey Weinstein.
Yes and no. There are very few absolutes in the world. I support you in the sense that mathematics is considered the "purest" science. It is one of the very few areas of human knowledge where the Platonic "real" (I think of it as existing wholly in the mind) describes the "apparent" (what I call the "real") world. Of course, even that statement need not be true. I'm no expert, but I'm sure a philosophy can be concocted that says 2+2=5 or that gravity repels. Unlike our imagination however, the physical universe has its own laws that man can discover but can't change. Eric mentions the scientific method but doesn't fully describe it. It begins with an observation and a guess (a hypothesis) of cause and effect. The "evidence in favor of or against" is obtained by repeated trials and observations and adjusting the hypothesis as necessary. If successful, a "theory" in the strong sense emerges. Yes, it's always subject to falsification. But when well done, that theory will gladly take on all comers.
True science has the refreshing (or, depending upon one's ideology, depressing) feature of not giving a damn about one's wishes or politics. Alas, science has (or can) show that many treasured beliefs are utter rubbish. We're seeing quite a bit of that in the vaxx spectacle, to be sure. For the ideologue of any political stripe, the eternal problem remains that Reality will not bow to his demands. No matter how many faculty are fired for being uncooperative, how many edicts are issued, how many intellectuals are shot or sent to the camps, no matter how many pretty sounding words are issued by hacks in non-science positions, it's that darn stubborn old reality that always wins.
Even so, at least until the van comes for me, it's always a pleasure to shut down one of these foaming-at-the-mouth idealists, when possible, by simply observing that their claims fly in the face of known science or knowledge. They are, I'll say, free to prove their case and perhaps collect a Nobel prize. But from their point of view, it's easier to call me a racist or a white supremacist, or whatever the epithet of the week is. 🙄
"I'm sure a philosophy can be concocted that says 2+2=5 "
wokism
Of course... just add the plus sign as a number... and you've got it !
Scientists, mathematicians, and everybody else have beliefs and opinions. We're all human. Some of us can articulate the reasoning and evidence that supports our beliefs. Some of us can change our beliefs as that reasoning and evidence evolves. "Scientists" supposedly have a lot of training and social process and norms around that. When you see "science" being used as an opaque token of authority, that's just authoritarian bullshit. None of this is even remotely new, it's just been cranked up to 11 lately.
scientists that believe are religious leaders and not scientists !
IMO, when someone says they believe, they are saying that they maintain faith in something whether or not they've seen proof of it.
They "prove," but always only provisionally . . .
Another one they use is "there is no evidence for such and such." The casual reader would think that studies have been done and found no evidence, but this is increasingly used for "this hasn't been studied so there is no evidence". 🤪
Because NIH/CDC/Wellcome Trust wouldn't give a penny for such research, or to anyone that dares to do any of it without their blessing and outside of their control.
Good point!
And yet, they show no evidence or proof of their own theories.
What gets me is that "scientists" and "experts" are all monolithic. According to the media, they all agree, all of the time, with no dissent, and everything they agree appears to be against my own personal interests... and they don't need to *prove* anything, their mere opinion is enough to base public policy on and push opinions onto the masses without critique. Very strange, eh.
That's how you know that they aren't talking about real science, when they play "The Science Says" card.
There's a fun new boardgame mocking the Covid idiocy---"Science Says".....SS wear your mask; SS get a vaccine; SS get another vaccine; SS get a booster; SS stay at home, SS wash your hands; SS social distance, etc etc etc
The players: Gov't, Pharma, Media, Mere Mortals
objectives avoid Covid, avoid Covid jail, make a billion $, save your liberty
Great idea ! Just update the existing 'Monopoly' game with these factors. It would be a smash hit ! A best seller ! And MAYBE the best way too get the REAL info out there ???
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What we're discussing is partly an example of how the meaning of words are changed ("hijacked" would be a better verb): Consider "vaccine." Until about 2020, that word had a fixed definition. While there were early failures of course, as in any scientific endeavor, the fact is that the most successful vaccines were nearly perfect. They had very few adverse effects. They provided immunity for life, or at least many years. (Please don't go off on an autism rant here -- I'm just making the case for what "vaccine" meant in the eyes of the vast majority of citizens.) As we all know, the mRNA jabs didn't quite fit the traditional definition so the definition was changed, slightly. The mRNA products do bear some functional resemblance to traditional vaccines, but with a year's widespread use, they've fallen far short in terms of efficacy and probably safety. Yet the powers that be still label them "vaccines."
A parallel argument can be made, and already is being made here: "Science" has a fixed, traditional meaning. That word too has been arrogated by the powers that be. You guys are absolutely correct in saying that in current use, its meaning is more at "religion" or perhaps simply "belief."
These are but two examples of words being appropriated, being stripped of their original meanings, and put to devious purpose.
Great article about the improbability of settled science.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/11/22/scientific-proof-is-a-myth/?sh=62c309cc2fb1
I'm no scientist, but I would take it further still.
I wonder if because our limited human senses may not be capable of observing all possible phenomena (as my limited, superficial understanding of theoretic physics would lead me to believe), any observations we can make, regardless of tools of measurement that we might employ, is built on the presumption that our human senses are actually sensing enough of what really exists to make more than an educated guess.
But then, I know nothing. I just couldn't help myself: please forgive me!
Two scientists believe, the other 38,964 disagree, but if only the two get publicity...
It has been shown that scientists who believe are more highly funded.
Scientists who believe what Fauci believes.
Science isn't a religion, but scientism is. We aren't getting science. We're getting the convictions of biased researchers as conveyed by biased reporters, all according to the individual's perceptions of what should be seen.
Which will lead to a new religion. My point above. I guess you deleted?
Dr Mengelfauci - "I. AM. SCIENCE." Mwahahahaha......
Yes, except it’s hard to think of any religion, even at its worst, this mendacious, this destructive, this deadly. Maybe some fringe cults, like Jonestown, but that was almost certainly a CIA mind control experiment, which brings us full circle.
True, "cult" is more accurate. I used the softer word "religion" mainly because I feel bad for the people who have fallen for the con.
Oh, I could think of one or two, but not fit to talk about in polite company.
"$cientists believe" makes perfect sense though.
Amen
In some ways religion is a science. A Greek and Roman one as it happens. A psychological war on the citizens of Greece and Rome. Organized by the inheritors of Plato.
Nietzsche calls Christianity "Platonism for the masses." I've read all of him and most of Plato. There is much great wisdom in these, but also much that is silly. That's probably true of nearly any philosophical (religious) dialectic. Historically, what we now call "science" was called "natural philosophy" until just a few centuries back. I use the older term to support my next explanation of the obvious. Man's mind can imagine all manner of fantastic concepts. These may have a relationship to the real world ranging from "not at all" to "nearly indistinguishable." What we call the scientific method most closely approaches the latter. You can indeed think of "science" as a religion (belief system) but one that must describe and predict the real world in useful ways. It is always subject to revision or even refutation, but the burden of proof should be on the one making that claim.
I'm not calling science a religion although the modern woke version certainly is. I also havn't read much Nietzshe if any. I'm suggesting that Plato's meanderings gave heft to emerging or current empires to try and control the population via ideology disguised as religion. The religions imposed quickly became something else as they interacted with those it was imposed on but nevertheless we have been left with Zeus and Apollo who removed from the controls of other gods, especially the likes of Hera and Artemis, then gave us capitalism, a system designed to extract.
Current elites are thinking, it seems, that they can replace religion with AI and medical tyranny. I'm not sure how they think that they can survive in such a sterile world. It seems like a final double down in a suicide that nature has decided on if we head that way.
What do you think of the writings of Schopenhaeur?
I am not familiar with them. Although maybe I just don't remember. The name seems vaguely familiar but then maybe (after a brief look at his bio) that's due to several trips to the tri-cities (Gdansk, Sopot, Gydinia) in Poland.
Dr Falsie
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In my group of hiking friends, 3 men have had increased heart issues over the last 6ish months. One will no longer hike anything with elevation increase, one is getting a stent soon and the other is walking greenways more than hiking. Prior to this, the latter hiked between 89-100 miles a month. For a fairly healthy, active group of people, I’m sad to say there are only two of us pure bloods.
I'm sorry the emotional stress of the pandemic is destroying your friends' health. Perhaps they could get a psychotherapist to talk them through their myocarditis.
And don't forget how helpful your local meteorologist can be:
"Climate Change May Cause Increased Rates of Heart Defects in Babies"
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/climate-change-may-cause-increased-rates-heart-defects-babies-180971398/
The solution to all of this, of course, is to impose a global corporatist state, with one dear leader to rule them all, surrounded by a court of wise mandarins whispering in the emperor's ear.
Personally, I cannot wait when I get to rent my house and underwear from Klaus, finally be happy, and as an added bonus, be completely immune to heart issues.
Ah, you won't be immune, you'll die when the algorithm says it's time for you to do so.
I will hack the algorithm.
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Kobayashi Maru😀👍❗
🙄 good grief
Because "It's all in their heads". The medical "profession" has shot themselves in both feet.
This would be funnier if it weren't for all those anecdotes going around about doctors telling their patients that their AE symptoms are psychosomatic.
I look forward to the day that science rewrites itself to say that you can now wish yourself tissue injury.
Well if we can wish ourselves the injury, then it would make sense that we could wish ourselves out again.
So we need the $cience why?
I mean, the last I heard, magical thinking can be done without professional help.
Sorry Guttermouth . . . (Guttermouth?? Speaks volumes) . . . but I had pericarditis a number of years ago caused by a bad respiratory infection (viral?). I have never read of an association between myocarditis/pericarditis and stress . . . however, it is well known that once pathogens attack the body . . . caused by ill-fortune encounters or by human action introducing the pathogen . . . having a high stress level weakens/disrupts the body's immune response to the pathogen.
Someone has some difficulties understanding sarcasm, if they believe I'm implying a psychotherapist can treat myocarditis.
Point taken . . . Humour bone is rather weakened these days.
Does my name still "speak volumes" about your imagined quality of my character?
I like your ‘character’! 😻
Anyone who is a lousy bowler like I am will know the origin of the term "gutter language." 🤬
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High stress is, well, a stressor 🙂. The only two times I caught bacterial pneumonia in my life was two incidents, months apart, my first year of Army training. I was surely in the peak of physical health and fitness (other than smoking). Also living in tightly packed quarters, a Petri dish of respiratory infections.
I fear for today's youth, in and out of the military. It seems likely that many of them are going to have sundry severe perhaps life-long health issues. All causes by stress, of course.
respiratory infections.... more likely the lack of something or maybe even something that you got too much of.....
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I've noticed the same phenomenon: hiking companions having to bail out after short walks with mild elevation gains. I can no longer hike with them and get any kind of workout. One of my buddy's wife now has A-fib. Another's wife contracted West Nile Virus shortly after getting her 'booster" (can you say suppressed natural immunity?). I keep this under my hat with them, but I suspect they're beginning to figure it out. What is the only significant change in theirs and their spouses lives in the past year? The vax.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Steven R Gundry
Originally published8 Nov 2021Circulation. 2021;144:A10712
We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination
I found the paragraph interesting, however he is dismissed by many due to previous theories that are non-mainstream.
There is no data or more detail than that paragraph / poster abstract, no poster, and the journal is now disowning it and him.
We will only get this kind of thing from people outside mainstream but it needs to be rock solid info to sell to the crowds.
Yeah, he’s an idiot about nutrition, but most doctors are. But isn’t this his specialty?
I believe it is his speciality, yes.
More importantly, he has a large cohort he has been tracking for years, as his patients, so marker confounders and detailed, relevant data should be available to test the hypothesis of vacination injury or inflammation marker increase.
Problem is that raw data is not available, just his summary of analysis of that data. The summary is convincing to people who have decided the vax is injurious - I've tweeted it myself. However without the raw data you cannot really argue its veracity in good faith. Therein lies the problem. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Are you saying that Gundry is refusing to release the raw data? If that is the case, it's pretty damning. Or is it that they haven't been published and there hasn't been a separate analysis of it?
Yep. Does anybody have the paper, I've been unable to retrieve it.
There's no paper per se. What we have seen is the abstract from a poster that was presented at a conference. It's not very convincing at a journal / non-peer reviewed level at all. Alas.
To be fair, I noticed the same thing in my friends, but unfortunately, it seems due to most of my friends gaining significant amounts of weight during the pandemic lockdowns. :-(
Study out of US said kids have plumped up big time. So ironic given the massive correlation as a covid comorbidity.
The future is getting fatter and dumber
Entropy?
Let's hope not because that sounds soylent greeny.
Is it worth tracking these anecdotes? Could you be bothered recording some basic details like age / activity delta / symptoms or the like if a website existed to do it?
Anecdote
Vaccdote
Wow. This is just incredible. I am so sorry.
So out of curiosity are any of them linking the vaccines to their sudden heart problems?
Of course heart problems can occur at any time even in healthy people. But we are getting to the point where the coincidences are crushingly obvious.
What happened to us that so few are now no longer willing to have the slightest curiosity about coincidences?
Lots of people have become coincidence theorists.
These vaxes are the largest source of coincidences we've ever seen.
One out of the three seems to be “awake” now. I think it must be a difficult awakening when you’ve put your (blind) trust in doctors to prescribe whatever. And if you think you are dependent on pharmaceuticals to keep you going, then you don’t want to question your doctor too much. It’s a sick cycle until you decide to do your own research.
It’s lonely too. But I don’t want to believe in what is false. It’s worse. Far worse.
I think coincidences are very seldom and far between. If many coincidences happen so shortly together they no longer are coincidences
What's the saying, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."
Ha! I did not know that saying but yes, that is what I think too. That is why all these so called coincidences are probably premeditated. I read now that doctors and governments are going to blame post pandemic trauma disorder or some other quack sickness for all the bad jab coincidences. A genial way out isn't it? The government, bigpharma, the so called scientists and all the doctors, plus all the blind sided patients, can just blame the newly invented sickness for their misery. Just like they did before with other useless jabs. Became a true antivaxxer since this happened LOL
So have I. And if anybody calls me one I don't care. It's quack science, actually it's worse than quack science it's genocide in a needle and always has been.
Nobody wants to admit that their misfortune resulted from their own decisions. Human nature.
How many of your friends got the covid vaccine? Are your vaccinated hiker friends the ones having heart issues? A recent publication in the American Hearty Association Journal said "mRNA covid vaccines dramatically increase endothelial inflammatory markers and Acute Coronary Syndrome (heart attack) risk by 25%"
The group consists of around 20ish hikers, some who hike only occasionally, with a fairly consistent core group of 10ish. I only know for sure that one other in the whole group who did not get vaccinated. Yes, it is the vaccinated ones having problems, all men, interestingly enough. The oldest, 74, a runner in good shape, started having AFib while we were on a trail. He has only done a fairly flat hike closer to home since then and I can’t blame him. I haven’t seen him to ask if he correlates that to the vax. The thing is that they all had blood pressure issues before the vax so I’m not sure this is sounding any alarms. I did mention the vax to one who has curtailed his hiking and both he and his cardiac nurse girlfriend were aware of the issues with the vaccine now. We are a mix of 60+ and 40+ age group, more women than men. As healthy and active as they are, it is so odd to me that they seem to blindly trust pharmaceuticals and think I am a weird anomaly on no prescription meds (at 62yo.)
He should have a d-dimer test done. They all should.
I will mention that. Thanks!
It is very important that we convince our friends and colleges who took the vaccine - that booster shots are too high risk for them. If your friends are over 70 HIGH risk people (with obesity or diabetes) the can make an argument where their risk from covid is higher than the vaccine risk. However, for your younger, physically fit friends, we need them to say “no” to boosters. We need more Americans to join us. We will need the vaccinated to join us against boosters.
UK announced today that they are planning to mandate the Booster jab on everyone over 18 (and possibly everyone over 12) EVERY 3 MONTHS!
YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING. We must all say NO!
Our lives literally depend on it. If not - World War 3 is coming - it will be the governments of the world against their own people over a virus with a > 99.9% survival rate. Although it sure seems like it’s about more than that.
And that paper is almost impossible to find now. It's been deleted online.
I think it wasn't a paper (yet?), but rather a poster presented at a conference, from what I can learn. See more here - Conference Abstract, Scientific Sessions 2021
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/mrna-covid-vaccines-dramatically-increase-endothelial-inflammatory-markers-and-acs-risk-as-measured-by-the-puls-cardiac-test-a-warning.43834/
This one? https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
That's the abstract. The paper itself seems elusive.
I'm a woman in my mid-50's. At age 50 I was a world champion in my age group for sprint distance triathlon. I've completed 9 Ironman races, including the Hawaii Ironman x 2. I wasn't at my peak of fitness last summer, by any means, but still a daily aerobic exerciser far fitter than most people my age. Since about a week after the second Pfizer vaccine last July, I've had palpitations, weak and dizzy spells, massively decreased exercise tolerance and some abnormal cardiac tests (>12,000 premature atrial contractions on a 24 hour Holter monitor, enlargement of both atria on echocardiogram). No one will acknowledge that this is connected to the vaccine, and maybe it is purely coincidental but I don't think so.
I am so sorry. It is heartbreaking. As is typical, most people think if they did ok with the shot, it must be fine all around. Even Dr. Malone said he did not attribute skyrocketing blood pressure to the shots at first. The entire health system (certainly not care) has created a never ending faucet of funds if not directly from Covid, now from shot damage.
Hi Julie - I am a RN and have a lot of experience with cardiac arrhythmias.
Is it coincidental? Sure. Could be. Arrhythmias frequently happen and no one can pin point a cause.
But when THOUSANDS of people are reporting the same event within hours or days or a handful of weeks after the vaccine, why is there such studied disinterest in finding out more?
Even if someone is pro vax all the way, why not PROVE there is no causation or even correlation?
Instead people like you are left to chat rooms and social media, finding others who had these other “coincidences.”
I would bet money your case is not coincidental. And I think when this is all said and done, you will find you are in a lot of company.
I hope your heart settles down and you are able to return to the health you enjoyed before this debacle.
Two things here: First, we have been teaching our "expert" class for years that they can tell us anything and we will swallow it hook, line, and sinker, so this is partly our fault. We have been treating politics like religion and following people blindly because they say what we want to hear rather than understanding that with freedom comes the responsibility to think for yourself and judge people on their actions, not their words (or an other arbitrary quality). And so they've gotten away with tripe like this, not only with COVID, but with many other issues. And at this point, especially with people like Fauci, it shouldn't be their careers on the line, but their freedom. Prison is the place Fauci should die, not his cushy little home.
Second: This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Who isolated all these younger people during COVID? Who caused all this stress? It wasn't the virus. The virus just is. It was the same people who are trying to gaslight us now. But either way, meaning even if what they say has an element of truth, they are responsible. The very people most affected by "post-pandemic stress" would not have been affected by the virus, and it was on them to find a policy that would thread the needle, so to speak. We pay these people a lot of money and put a lot of faith in them, and if their policies created that much emotional damage, the onus is still on them, and Fauci should still spend the rest of his miserable life rotting in jail.
Your first theme reminds me of the first time I went to the doctor here. I was already a difficult customer in Belgium but at least the doctor there knew about food and herbs and homeopathic treatments. When I started questioning the doctor here and gave him a hard time, he seemed to be stupified. I guess he never had a mouthy customer before LOL
Doctors in the US are assembly line workers. I don't hate them for it, but I do hate that they don't seem to acknowledge that limitation. And I've had similar experiences. A chiropractor and an herbalist gave me back my life after the medical system just told me to live with what was making my life more a matter of surviving than actually living.
Many but not all US doctors are morons. Doctors who do speak out are tarred, feathered, fired from their jobs and risk losing their medical license - just for speaking against the narrative. Many doctors are afraid to speak out. But you can still find some doctors who will help.
Not just the US. We were in the UK for a while. The NHS is notorious for the doctor just sitting there and googling your symptoms while you speak.
Oh but don't you Google symptoms on your own at home!
Yeppers for the US, too.
Exactly! Now they are force to say "the vaxes we forced on you caused your heart problems" and "the lockdowns we forced on you caused your heart problems." Tough spot. Sounds like a good time for war on China.
don't bring the to the idea. On second thought I think they had the idea to begin with. Blame China for the virus, then blame China for anything you can think of.
It gets off topic, but there probably are factions in the US (and Western) power structure that want a shooting war with China. I suspect Russia remains the favorite, however. It rapidly gets into history rarely taught in school, but it's pretty easy to figure out, in general terms of course, who has the historical animosities and for what reasons. "Follow the money" remains the best investigator's tool. Various wars and other persecutions factor in too.
What I find curious: save for a few relatively small actions, the USA itself has never been directly in a shooting war with either China or Russia.
Yes I don't see much China in this albeit they're not absent either.
One of the major sins of this entire affair is the damage being done to the words “science”, “scientist”, “expert” and “public health”. As the truths come out, more and more people will feel betrayed. More and more will not trust these words again.
And that is a shame.
On the flip side, I can only pray this leads more and more people to critical thinking and doing their own “fact checking”, rather than outsourcing that to Big Media and Big Tech.
I already feel the fur on my neck go up, when I hear the words "experts say." Yuck.
I roll my eyes when I hear those words. I'm one eye roll away from them getting stuck that way like our parents threatened in our youth.
LOL...right?
I'm so violently against the medical "profession" now, that I'm likely to stipulate that they can't even perform an autopsy on me when I'm dead. There are only about 20 doctors worldwide who have acted with integrity in this whole fiasco and are worthy of their titles.
Actually, there's a nice writing project for you, Gato. Or any others who want to take it up. To compile a roll of the honourable doctors who have emerged out of this info war of medical desecration. Much like the Righteous among the Nations were for the Jews of the Holocaust. There will come a time for them to be remembered and vindicated.
My distrust of the entire medical establishment, and especially doctors, is off the chart at this point. Unfortunately, my nephew is a doctor and my DIL is in med school. They are both 100% brainwashed about the “safe and effective” whackzines. I have to be very careful what I say to which family member! My DIL was so happy several weeks ago about her upcoming booster. Then last week, right before Thanksgiving, she learned that a med school classmate, a 23 yo marathon runner, had suddenly died in her sleep of an aneurysm. You’d think that would have at least raised questions, but the brainwashing is very thorough!
13,000 doctors and scientists have signed the Rome Declaration. Some have become noticed for speaking out- most who speak out then suffer for it without much of anyone ever knowing their names.
Understandable - but surely the number is far more than 20 - and I think it's growing.
I understand you’re perspective, it’s hard to see what’s happening. I want to believe there are more than 20, but they’re all hiding…
INdeed. A number of people should start a movement for real healthcare, instead of health profit. There are already several good herbal and homeopathic sites online. I have ordered from a few for several years. People have to learn how to live again, take care of their own health and bodies again, not just going to the gym, which IMO as another unhealthy business. Be on your own or in a very small group to gym, like walk in your neighborhood, in the woods etc.
see the UNITY PROJECT and The World Council for Health, new organizations just formed.
Thank you ! I just suscribed to World Council and will check the other out as well !
thanks for saying, I had not actually done that myself, till now...best
Don’t forget “doctor”.
Why would I go for e.g. a colonoscopy only to risk being convicted of “Covid” based on false evidence and sentenced to die by ventilator and poison while being physically isolated from anyone who might advocate for me? All for the hospital to make a few ill-gotten dollars for treating a “Covid” case.
No, thanks very much.
Right there too. I avoid doctors by all means. I got diagnosed 2 years ago with 'almost' diabetes, fussed at by nurses, pinched, drawn blood, because I went in for a rash.... I had to come back 2 weeks later after the doc told me it was probably a food allergy. Then he told me that if it did not go away, he would prescribe me some antibiotics ! For a food allergy ! I should have gone back to check my kidneys. No explanation given. Did not go back of course LOL
Wait, wait, they confused pre-diabetes with a good allergy?! And then wanted to give you antibiotics for it?! OMG....
Metaformin has about the same validity as Pfizer.
Why do people get diabetes I wonder. When did it become an issue? Why are Japanese people getting it more often. What is wrong with the 'Western' diet exactly.
When you have the time check out Sacred Cow, on Amazon Prime and/or Fat Fiction on YouTube, if you haven't already. Both docs go over the American diet and what's wrong.
Highly recommend, "Fat Fiction."
I just wrote a letter to the Oregon Health Authority telling them why I am not renewing my health insurance this year; (I will not be vaxxed). The person who wrote back said that they (OHA) do not have a mandate. If I really cared, I would write again to tell him that with Biden pushing for it, and your minions still jabbing folks, that gosh, I just don't TRUST what they are saying. If I am in the system, I am more vulnerable than if I am not. I simply don't take any of the vax jabs, none of it; I like my innate immune system!
Going off-grid? I don’t blame you.
The medical malpractice lawyers claim that the deaths of 9.5% of Americans involve medical malpractice.
Far more deadly than “Covid”.
Good point!
Not a shame, really. We've been long overdue for a big uptick in public skepticism of "experts". Things will be different going forward. Caveat emptor.
That is so true. We should view words as sacred. It's almost like political strategists sit around trying to find words that still elicit some element of public trust. Words that still hold power and public trust. Then they latch onto those words and use them to manipulate. They'll get a certain amount of traction and benefit until the word is generally observed as a sort of political joke. Then the word is lost, no longer useful, even counterproductive. We should view this as a tragedy.
May be we should elect a cat or dog to be president. They do not use words but know very well how to speak without them
Kinda like how the word "vaccine" used to mean something that actually protected against a disease until this one didn't. So, hey, let's change the meaning.
Since words are like symbols that we use not only to communicate to others, but in our inner dialogue, it makes sense that they would be valuable tools for any manipulator of humans.
The cat is out the bag. The collapse is imminent. I can taste it.
I hope you're right.
Me too. I feel as if we are on the knife’s edge.
In the US, courts are skewering the mandates. But I look with horror at what is happening in Germany, Austria and Australia.
The world will not be able to tolerate the US doing away with mandates and restrictions while so many other countries bring out their military to force injections.
Something has to break.
We in the US have a much stronger chance at making this go the right way.
This is what I am doing: I am donating money to people and organizations that helped me keep my sanity through this. Donate to the Substack writers who gave us all a lifeline: Jeff Childers, El Gato Malo, Eugyppius, Alex Berenson.
It doesn’t have to cost money. Contact your politicians and make sure they understand where you are on mandates and restrictions.
Target one person you encounter daily and in conversation, bring up how alarmed you are at what is happening in Austria or wherever. I am convinced most people do not know.
Even my needle worshiping friends were still when I mentioned it. An awkward silence fell and then they hurried to change subject. But I know they know now.
You forgot Canada. My friends who are Canadian can NOT even leave the country to escape with out a vaccine card with 3 jabs.
we still need to hear what scotus has to say on the vax mandates - but, for sure, a huge gap is opening up between Europe AusNZ and the USA - not even a hint - even in DC - about "compulsory" - I think it's a still functioning form of federalism in the US (hooray Florida!) - and perhaps a still functioning form of Christianity.
Yes. I have deep concerns about the Supreme Court. I feel that this could all come crashing down. So I pray a lot.
We need to keep saying it into being. Like a summonsing spell.
I live in a land of True Believers, and yet I can tell in a group conversation, almost no one is saying what they really think. Only the true believers keep talking. But, I think the mania will continue at least until 2023.
Drat, Eric. There's always one cat that has to pee in the litter box.... 😢
I'm still trying to figure out how occasionally one pees underneath mine 😛 I suspect it has to do with some combination of poor aim and surface tension, as I've occasionally done the same with our human equivalent.
"During the deacades Dr Fauci took over NIAID, he has sanctioned drug companies to experiment on at least fourteen thousand children, many of them Black and Hispanic orphans living in foster homes..."
Kennedy: The Real Anthony Fauci
The government's solution to widespread social alienation? More social alienation. It's like flushing a clogged toilet. Even if they want to say vaccines are not the cause of worse health outcomes, the vaccine mandates most certainly are. The terrible public health officials need to realize that our health is not public.
You know that clogged toilet is going to run over soon
So, are we finally done saying that they're well-intended but stupid bureaucrats and stop demonizing those of us who had the sense to see evil for what it is, and hate it accordingly?
Let me know when the moral high ground of the covid skepticism community allows us to actually call our enemies enemies.
I've always called them blood-thirsty sociopathic monsters, but that's just me.
Let's ramp up the genocide in Yemen! Oh, yeah, and bomb Iran too, just for fun (after all they cause "mischief"). What's a couple hundred thousand more dead children? Killing kids seems to be a sport of theirs.
In some nations that's hard to avoid, as many poor nations where we like to play army have median populations ranging from 15-22. But with modern medicines, we've brought the sport of killing the young (and old) to our home nations, on the installment plan.
We need to GET THEM OUT OF OFFICE NOW. Sometimes I wonder if covid would disappear in america if Ron DeSantis or Ron Johnson or Kristi Knoem were president? Can we recall Biden??? Everything he touches turns to dog $Hit. (I wouldn’t dare say cat $hit. That would be insulting to Gato). Actually, El gato for president 2024. Can we recall Biden? El gato for president NOW!
On a good day they're sociopathic bullies, but most days they're Beelzebub incarnate.
I think self-serving and stupid are the answers. I don’t believe most of them are evil. I think they like the power they find themselves with and I think they lack the humility to admit error.
Using the label “evil” probably turns the uninformed off and makes them less trusting of the skeptic message. But, explaining these ”experts” actions as self-serving and egotist is probably an easier place for the average uninformed person to get to.
People recognize and relate to self-interest and ego easier than evil, even when they’re in the same place.
For fuck's sake.
Fine, keep excusing them. They thank you.
The point is you won’t convince the masses that believe the “experts” shit is true by labeling those “experts” as evil. I’ve tried. The vast majority of people believe those “experts” are good people. You have to find better ways to plant doubt than using a word like “evil” - it won’t sell to them and won’t make it easier to change their minds. It just makes it easier for them to dismiss your message as the rantings of a right winger / conspiracy theorists / anti-vaxxer…
Yes to that. Even just pointing out minor flaws in the narrative of your opponent. Rather than argue that Facui is part of a worldwide conspiracy to cull or enslave humanity, perhaps something as modest as observing that the vaxxes really haven't lived up to their promises of just a year ago: they don't prevent infections very well, and they're not very potent if boosters are required every few months. Sometimes planting a single seed of doubt will be more effective than force-feeding the entire Burpee catalog at one sitting. 🤠
I believe this is correct. You have to avoid the personal attacks, however much warranted, and try to get people to see that the data shows there's a problem.
That's precisely the type of argument I would expect from the likes of you 🤡
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I'm not worried about convincing the masses. I'm talking to supposedly like-minded people on a forum. I want to know if people who know better can finally call it what it is. The masses will have to convince themselves.
>> You have to find better ways to plant doubt than using a word like “evil” - it won’t sell to them and won’t make it easier to change their minds.
The top-selling books in the US in most major outlets (and at least briefly on the NYT list) are the "Fauci is actually a monster" expose and the Berenson book. People are apparently quite receptive to the idea that the people that have been ruining their lives and their societies are evil.
Good and evil do exist, but only as human standards and far from universal ones at that. In human affairs, perspective (perception) is everything. In the Bible, Jesus says God sends rain on both the just and the unjust. In strictly worldly terms, leaving the Deity out of the argument, rain is simply a force of nature. "Good" or "bad" are merely opinions of man. In the arid Mideast, rain is relatively rare and is appreciated as it waters the crops and animals alike. At another extreme, anyone who's lived through a hurricane or other deluge might conclude that water at times is "evil." It's all situational.
Relevant to the topic at hand, we may think of the vaxx-pushers and petty tyrants as "evil,"and so they are -- according to, say, a point of view that prefers proven medicines and a lighter hand in governance. Conversely, most of the agents in power would consider themselves doing "good," promoting or enforcing health policy, and anyone opposing them to be "evil."
Using reasoned argument (facts and figures, logic, science) will work for one audience, but casting themes in moral garb -- good/bad, righteous/evil -- might be appropriate for others.
I wish this thing had an edit function ….
I agree mostly. I am interested in convincing the masses because it’s the only way this ends.
I’ve spent a lot of time trying to convince people of the truth and most of the (I thought) smart people I know dismiss it - they’re all so bought into the mass media / big tech fed narratives. So calling our deified local public health leader here names like “evil” just makes folks tune out.
I agree Fauci is evil. And my local lockdown loving, vaxx-passport mandating heath leader is an egotist and stupid - but people here adore the guy and think he’s “saved” them all. And as long as the majority think that, we stay locked down and get more restrictions, not less.
Regardless, didn’t mean to trigger you. We’re on the same side! Peace!
At some point, it's every man for himself. If you're captain of the lifeboat, you can decide whom -- if anyone -- to haul aboard. Keep in mind that some lives are more worth saving than others, some people once aboard will be a help -- or a danger to the rest of the passengers. And for you altruists out there, perhaps the most depressing realization is that your powers are limited. There is an optimal number you can rescue: too few, and you could have done more. Too many, and everybody dies.
I'm "triggered?" Interesting. Does that, conversely, make you the rational, trustworthy, and accurate voice in the dichotomy?
Perhaps you'd like to inquire where I'm at in my menstrual cycle?
Keep in mind, that's a measure of what people who read are interested in.
Not everybody reads.
You know, propagandists were tried for war crimes after WWII. Just sayin'.
So for those journalists putting out these cover-up articles, you might want to think twice before putting your name on the byline. Are you getting paid enough to spew this crap? Maybe you should get a job at starbucks until this thing blows over.
They can switch jobs.
We will find them some day.
I will absolutely be a 21st, Covid-version of the Nazi hunters who tracked down most (slippery Mengele) who escaped the Trials.
OMG we have to partner up and be an HBO Original Series.
YES!
Sneauxflake + Guttermouth:
Terminal Diagnosis
No wait that sucked I can do so much better.
The head of the EU commission wants to scrap the Nuremberg code. I wonder why?
I get daily emails from WebMD. Almost everyday now there is one on heart attacks or cardiovascular events. The gaslighting permeates everything.
Yes. Literally heard two radio ads in a row. First- get the vaccine. Second, make sure you seek medical help right away if you have any of these heart symptoms. Oh the irony.
"a line across which one becomes deliberately pernicious and predatory and seeks to lie to save their own hide at the expense of others."
That line was crossed long ago.
"it is calculated and deliberate. they literally hired a whole pile of behavioral economists to learn how to do it"
There's actually a much more sinister rabbit hole to go down regarding this story:
"SIN France organises first UK-France bilateral workshop on Behavioural Science at Paris British Embassy"
"On 7 February 2019, the Paris British Embassy’s SIN team organised the “Influencing Behaviours through Science: UK-France Perspectives” workshop at the British Ambassador’s Residence.....It is thanks to a HMA Paris-hosted dinner in September 2017 that this workshop came about. The September 2017 dinner, in honour of Chris Whitty, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Department of Health and Social care, gathered several French health experts from government, policy, academia and industry. The dinner bore fruit in three particular areas: genomics, health data sharing and behavioural science."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/sin-france-organises-first-uk-france-bilateral-workshop-on-behavioural-science-at-paris-british-embassy
I don't know if there is enough evidence here to suggest malice of forethought, but they have been working on this for quite some time.
Pavlov would be so proud to see his work transferred to humans. https://aaronkheriaty.substack.com/p/biosecurity-surveillance-regime-employment
Gracias, Gato.
Disobedience and derision are the sane person's response to Coronamania.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/mocking-coronamania
I can’t wait for those, telling the ongoing lies, to start turning on one another. It will happen, because that is what humans do.
Please read today’s Hart Group’s newsletter an outstanding article by a UK GP. They are seeing an onslaught of adverse events, they have been gagged. And for all of us who might have thought the GP’s were not witnessing the horrendous outcomes of the koolaid, it is all there for everyone to read. Brought to you by a brave GP just telling it like it is. Hart Group is on Twitter.
Could you supply a link?
HART
@hartgroup_org
Yes, a link would be great. I tried to find them on twitter and ended up with an automotive company.
Hart group on Twitter as HART@hartgroup_org
Thanks!
Right? I saw this article linked on Twitter this a.m., and I just about fell off of my chair (now I'm singing Lobo in my head). I thought it a parody at first.
The article's "psychological therapist" is quoted, blaming "post-pandemic" stress disorder as the cause. Another surgeon chimes in with this: “I’ve seen a big increase in thrombotic-related vascular conditions in my practice. Far younger patients are being admitted and requiring surgical and medical intervention than prior to the pandemic.“I believe many of these cases are a direct result of the increased stress and anxiety levels caused from the effects of PPSD."
Next, the author interjects: "PPSD is a mental health condition induced by the pandemic. While it is not yet officially recognised, many experts believe it should be." So not even an official diagnosis (for all that's worth).
I'm going to use the article in question to test some friends. I will email it and ask them to tell me what is wrong with the article. If they don't see it, I will assume they remain under Fauci's spell.
At least we know the pandemic is now officially OVER no matter how many more greek letters they will use
Now I'm just a layman, but who knew that stress caused blood clots?
“Post” pandemic stress disorder?
Well, I suppose we should be grateful they accidentally admitted it was over.
I was thinking that too!