It's amazing—though hardly surprising…— that post-infection natural immunity has disappeared down the rabbit hole of official-dom. I had measles and chicken pox when I was a kid and have been protected ever since, but I guess I was delusional ever to belief in such unicorn wishes.
When "health" organizations erase the very idea of natural immunity and rewrite definitions and history, we know we're in for some serious shenanigans...
as well as what we are starting to understand abut the health benefits, yes benefits, of having had a natural measles infection, assuming you survive, which almost all healthy populations of normal modern western children do survive. probably other similar things yet to be discovered if science as a method is allowed to survive. Science as a religion already knows everything, as you and I and we all know.
Patty Hearst indeed. What a symbol for many in our time.
> "note what it utterly absent: ideas of cost benefit, notions of personal choice, and notions that one size may not fit all in terms of solutions." ++
This is an email conversation I had over the last day with a family member about planning our annual trip to the beach.
ME > Hi __ I hope you and are well.
I was going to email you in June to see if you wanted to plan a trip this summer to (The Beach). But June busily slipped by and here we are.
So, any interest in going?
Best, _____.
FAMILY MEMBER > Hi __,
Good to hear from you. Yes, I'd definitely be interested as long as you (and ___) have been fully vaccinated. I still need to be very careful because of my immune condition and asplenia. Have you both been vaccinated yet?
Best,
ME >I am unsure how to respond to your question.
Best, ______.
FAMILY MEMBER > Covid vaccinations.
ME > I was looking for a yes or no answer and to my original question. I did not expect the conversation to go elsewhere, so I am on the back foot. With that said >
It troubles me to ask of you any private, personal medical information. Over the course of our long relationship we have had many medical issues that we have faced. We have respected each other's privacy and autonomy through them and commiserated at times (our teeth and dental adventures comes to mind).
So it pains me greatly, and I do apologize if I am crossing a boundary. You do not need to answer this question, but >
Are you vaccinated _____?
____.
ME (after an hour of prayer, reflection and asking for a loved ones opinion)
This is much more fraught then intended or anticipated.
Interestingly enough this makes sense. As a cancer survivor (from my early 40's), you really understand the difference between living ans staying alive. One can become more philiosohpical when "death " is on your doorstep. I highly recommend David Cayley's piece, "The Prognosis". Touches upon this topic beautifully and prescient ( from spring 2020). Let's hope, that there's hope.
Thank you. I had a brain tumor removed in my early thirties. Had it been cancerous or in a different place, I would not be here fifteen years later. I know people with our experiences go both ways, but I refused to hide in my house and not see people, especially since I have an 81 year old mother. Time is too precious. Eep in the Croods has the best line: "That's not living. That's just not dying." It frightens me that people can't wrap their heads around that simple wisdom.
It is funny how other diseases ( contagious and dangerous as well) are not in the radar, so people ask about covid, but for instance why not TB, and many other serious diseases that could impact? ( PS my dad had chemo and we were cautious then, but not even this crazy!)
Wow, hermano, another scorcher. Nicely done, indeed. Worth mentioning, perhaps, how comfortable this fellow and the Dr. Dings of the world are in making these statements in full public view. These are the sorts of social engineering concepts that even 10 years ago would have been aired privately, in focus group sessions and deliverables meetings run by the Edelmans and Ketchums of the world, with the idea that the less the "useless eaters" know about how the sausage is made, the better. These are "by any means necessary" folks. Any niceties about personal physical autonomy or "my body, my choice" are just window dressing when it comes to achieving their desired outcomes. Probably some of them, at the lower servant levels, like this fellow, actually believe they are doing the right thing. Still, interesting that the mask is fully off now. A sign of desperation or a sign of complete hubris and overconfidence? Or complete delusion resulting from a personal and situational awareness that is not only very, very low, but actually in negative territory?
What's hilarious to me is that WE'RE ALREADY DOING WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT!
Watch ANY drug commercial, and half of it is just listing side effects and precautions about who should take it. But the vaccine commercials are 100% sunshine and rainbows and hey, you want your life back, right?
Millions of people already had covid and don't need the jab. Millions of other people aren't worried about covid and won't take the jab. The politicians should hang the "Mission Accomplished" banner and start taking credit for "beating" the virus.
This all started with Thaler and Sunstein's "nudge economics", which seemed so innocuous at the time. It has corrupted state policy to public health completely. It now means "stop all pathogens by any means, including by destroying people's minds". Richard H., do the right thing, hand your Nobel prize back.
I don't know how many here have the seen the work of the control group study. please do check that out, might change a few minds. about everything. https://thecontrolgroup.org (or maybe, like me you were already there, but had no data.)
Ok, maybe I should have at least described what the control group study is. It is an attempt to make a serious unvaxxed control group to compare long term health outcomes between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. The percentage of never vaxxed people is minuscule and dropping and this is an attempt to make at least some sort of record of health outcomes before the chance is forever lost. Sorry to have not put this explanation earlier, but my job isn't directing people on the internet.
....yeah, I'm really not interested in downloading something that won't show me what it is, and something that has no real reason to be a download link and not a viewable page.
it's a scientific paper, (or takes that format, it is snarkier than most such papers, I must admit) so there is no other way to seriously present it, other than allow a download of the pdf document. It is hard to think of a way to present it, but I admit that they haven't done the best job on that web. I vouch for the fact you will find it worthwhile if you are interested in this sort of info. There is a shorter summary paper presented there in that same menu.
Using (a search engine) (I had put google, then I realised my mistake) you may be able to find a good presentation of the material covered in the study paper, but there is usually no substitute to reading it for yourself.
there is a seventeen page summary available, all there on the same page. I did actually arrive there from a very good blog post, but I don't remember from where.
This makes you sound untrustworthy. That this page has virtually no information on it and the design sensibilities of TimeCube makes me trust it even less.
I can't imagine that you are actually a real serious person, who when faced with a download menu to get a pdf document, you decide that it must be some sort of scam. I resist categorising you as a troll, even though you present as one, but people interested in this topic, will understand that just presenting the document is one of the few ways to get this out there. What would you prefer, an infomercial?
Even the summary takes them seventeen pages. Maybe you can do better.
Its presentation makes it sketchy- it's not "just presenting the document," it's hiding it behind an opaque download link. Wise people don't randomly click download links on the web. The site you link to gives virtually no information as to what I'm clicking.
But yeah, sure, I'm a troll.
P.S. to other readers: I clicked through on a secure desktop and can confirm it is, in fact, a series of PDF reports. I have not read them through yet but can confirm they are, in fact, just experimental research-style reports, albeit hosted on a sketchy-looking website.
please yourself. One can see they are pdfs just by hovering over the link as always. An abundance of caution can be a good thing, but it can also be a debilitating disorder.
Anyhow, whatever, I have only presented them to reach anybody that wants them for themselves. I have long ago given up trying to educate people on the internet (and now even irl.)
I'm having an epiphany. Maybe there is still hope. Maybe some of the nutjobs still driving around alone in their cars with their mask on are not covid karens!! It is possible that a large portion of them just have a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome, and can be brought back to reality with the passage of time.
If too many folks remain unvaxed it provides an obvious control group. If things go bad w the vax a control group will be highly inconvenient for these authoritarian hucksters.
vaccines are the biggest scam ever, and the most dangerous thing we have done to ourselves. (apart from poisoning ourselves and our home beyond any reasonable limit) So there, I have tried to summarise in one sentence, but it's not better than finding out for yourself.
I believe it. Why do we have so many autoimmune diseases that it’s worth all those commercials to fight them. The number of vaccines children have to take is unbelievable. It’s like we think we can do better than our immune systems. So much hubris.
But Fauci and the AP claim that 99.9% of fatalities in the US are unvaxed. Unsurprisingly I have seen zero data supporting this. It is effectively an impossibility. But I have seen no one seriously question it. The AP article had zero references, just made the assertion.
Fauci belongs to a new scientific discipline called "Thin Air Pluckers". They pluck stats out of thin air. Fauci has done this right from the beginning. (Old joke: 82.57% of statistics, especially those that are accurate to 2 decimal places, are completely made up). Fauci's scientific methodology requires a lot of flip flopping, hence the soubriquet "Flip Flop Fauci".
My belief, for some time now, is that this is more simple: they cannot be seen to have allowed disobedient citizens to "get away with" defying them. They need everyone to get the vaccine, because they said, "everyone needs to get the vaccine." If everyone doesn't get the vaccine, and the world doesn't end, they were objectively wrong; ergo, they must do whatever it takes to maintain the veracity of their statement.
This is about compliance and control. It has not been about public health for a long, long time.
Spot on. The race has been on between vaccine and natural infection. If natural infection had won overwhelmingly, then their house of cards would have collapsed. The race was looking quite close, but then they had a brainwave: Covid recovered still need to be vaccinated. Brilliant! Game, set and match to them. Throw in the totally invented scariants, then you must admit that the fear mongers have played a great game. If it wasn't for the fact that belonging to the Covid cult makes you a total believer, which means you can't drop your fear, you would think that they would finally relax and stop wetting their beds.
Moving to a red state looks better and better. Though you almost have to have a cash offer over selling price to get a place. Let the blues stay put in their wrecked states.
It's amazing—though hardly surprising…— that post-infection natural immunity has disappeared down the rabbit hole of official-dom. I had measles and chicken pox when I was a kid and have been protected ever since, but I guess I was delusional ever to belief in such unicorn wishes.
When "health" organizations erase the very idea of natural immunity and rewrite definitions and history, we know we're in for some serious shenanigans...
as well as what we are starting to understand abut the health benefits, yes benefits, of having had a natural measles infection, assuming you survive, which almost all healthy populations of normal modern western children do survive. probably other similar things yet to be discovered if science as a method is allowed to survive. Science as a religion already knows everything, as you and I and we all know.
Patty Hearst indeed. What a symbol for many in our time.
> "note what it utterly absent: ideas of cost benefit, notions of personal choice, and notions that one size may not fit all in terms of solutions." ++
This is an email conversation I had over the last day with a family member about planning our annual trip to the beach.
ME > Hi __ I hope you and are well.
I was going to email you in June to see if you wanted to plan a trip this summer to (The Beach). But June busily slipped by and here we are.
So, any interest in going?
Best, _____.
FAMILY MEMBER > Hi __,
Good to hear from you. Yes, I'd definitely be interested as long as you (and ___) have been fully vaccinated. I still need to be very careful because of my immune condition and asplenia. Have you both been vaccinated yet?
Best,
ME >I am unsure how to respond to your question.
Best, ______.
FAMILY MEMBER > Covid vaccinations.
ME > I was looking for a yes or no answer and to my original question. I did not expect the conversation to go elsewhere, so I am on the back foot. With that said >
It troubles me to ask of you any private, personal medical information. Over the course of our long relationship we have had many medical issues that we have faced. We have respected each other's privacy and autonomy through them and commiserated at times (our teeth and dental adventures comes to mind).
So it pains me greatly, and I do apologize if I am crossing a boundary. You do not need to answer this question, but >
Are you vaccinated _____?
____.
ME (after an hour of prayer, reflection and asking for a loved ones opinion)
This is much more fraught then intended or anticipated.
Let's touch base next summer and pass this year.
Best, ______.
I think this same conversation is unfolding everywhere. Sad. ( and dont the vaccines protect them?! Isnt that the point?)
Well a friend with stage 4 cancer had lunch indoors with me and she knows I am unvaxxed. Maybe there is hope.
Interestingly enough this makes sense. As a cancer survivor (from my early 40's), you really understand the difference between living ans staying alive. One can become more philiosohpical when "death " is on your doorstep. I highly recommend David Cayley's piece, "The Prognosis". Touches upon this topic beautifully and prescient ( from spring 2020). Let's hope, that there's hope.
Thank you. I had a brain tumor removed in my early thirties. Had it been cancerous or in a different place, I would not be here fifteen years later. I know people with our experiences go both ways, but I refused to hide in my house and not see people, especially since I have an 81 year old mother. Time is too precious. Eep in the Croods has the best line: "That's not living. That's just not dying." It frightens me that people can't wrap their heads around that simple wisdom.
Yes. So very true. There is wisdom in the saying: you have to die before you die.
I will look that up. I agree about death at the doorstep changes everything.
It is funny how other diseases ( contagious and dangerous as well) are not in the radar, so people ask about covid, but for instance why not TB, and many other serious diseases that could impact? ( PS my dad had chemo and we were cautious then, but not even this crazy!)
Yeah, you've lost that friend.
Family member.
And I am not sure about that. Maybe. Maybe not. Gotta play it out until it is played out. It's all in the game.
Wow, hermano, another scorcher. Nicely done, indeed. Worth mentioning, perhaps, how comfortable this fellow and the Dr. Dings of the world are in making these statements in full public view. These are the sorts of social engineering concepts that even 10 years ago would have been aired privately, in focus group sessions and deliverables meetings run by the Edelmans and Ketchums of the world, with the idea that the less the "useless eaters" know about how the sausage is made, the better. These are "by any means necessary" folks. Any niceties about personal physical autonomy or "my body, my choice" are just window dressing when it comes to achieving their desired outcomes. Probably some of them, at the lower servant levels, like this fellow, actually believe they are doing the right thing. Still, interesting that the mask is fully off now. A sign of desperation or a sign of complete hubris and overconfidence? Or complete delusion resulting from a personal and situational awareness that is not only very, very low, but actually in negative territory?
What's hilarious to me is that WE'RE ALREADY DOING WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT!
Watch ANY drug commercial, and half of it is just listing side effects and precautions about who should take it. But the vaccine commercials are 100% sunshine and rainbows and hey, you want your life back, right?
Millions of people already had covid and don't need the jab. Millions of other people aren't worried about covid and won't take the jab. The politicians should hang the "Mission Accomplished" banner and start taking credit for "beating" the virus.
This all started with Thaler and Sunstein's "nudge economics", which seemed so innocuous at the time. It has corrupted state policy to public health completely. It now means "stop all pathogens by any means, including by destroying people's minds". Richard H., do the right thing, hand your Nobel prize back.
"nudge" has a nasty tendency to turn into "punch in the face."
I don't know how many here have the seen the work of the control group study. please do check that out, might change a few minds. about everything. https://thecontrolgroup.org (or maybe, like me you were already there, but had no data.)
Ok, maybe I should have at least described what the control group study is. It is an attempt to make a serious unvaxxed control group to compare long term health outcomes between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. The percentage of never vaxxed people is minuscule and dropping and this is an attempt to make at least some sort of record of health outcomes before the chance is forever lost. Sorry to have not put this explanation earlier, but my job isn't directing people on the internet.
....yeah, I'm really not interested in downloading something that won't show me what it is, and something that has no real reason to be a download link and not a viewable page.
it's a scientific paper, (or takes that format, it is snarkier than most such papers, I must admit) so there is no other way to seriously present it, other than allow a download of the pdf document. It is hard to think of a way to present it, but I admit that they haven't done the best job on that web. I vouch for the fact you will find it worthwhile if you are interested in this sort of info. There is a shorter summary paper presented there in that same menu.
Using (a search engine) (I had put google, then I realised my mistake) you may be able to find a good presentation of the material covered in the study paper, but there is usually no substitute to reading it for yourself.
I don’t want to download the info unless I know it’s worth it. I’d rather take my chances with Covid than that vaccine.
there is a seventeen page summary available, all there on the same page. I did actually arrive there from a very good blog post, but I don't remember from where.
Ah. Thanks.
Oh, it's worth it. If I summarised it for you you wouldn't believe me, I assume.
This makes you sound untrustworthy. That this page has virtually no information on it and the design sensibilities of TimeCube makes me trust it even less.
I can't imagine that you are actually a real serious person, who when faced with a download menu to get a pdf document, you decide that it must be some sort of scam. I resist categorising you as a troll, even though you present as one, but people interested in this topic, will understand that just presenting the document is one of the few ways to get this out there. What would you prefer, an infomercial?
Even the summary takes them seventeen pages. Maybe you can do better.
Its presentation makes it sketchy- it's not "just presenting the document," it's hiding it behind an opaque download link. Wise people don't randomly click download links on the web. The site you link to gives virtually no information as to what I'm clicking.
But yeah, sure, I'm a troll.
P.S. to other readers: I clicked through on a secure desktop and can confirm it is, in fact, a series of PDF reports. I have not read them through yet but can confirm they are, in fact, just experimental research-style reports, albeit hosted on a sketchy-looking website.
please yourself. One can see they are pdfs just by hovering over the link as always. An abundance of caution can be a good thing, but it can also be a debilitating disorder.
Anyhow, whatever, I have only presented them to reach anybody that wants them for themselves. I have long ago given up trying to educate people on the internet (and now even irl.)
I probably would…
Very well stated.... Exactly how I feel. They've lost their minds.
This is one of your best articles to date.
I'm having an epiphany. Maybe there is still hope. Maybe some of the nutjobs still driving around alone in their cars with their mask on are not covid karens!! It is possible that a large portion of them just have a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome, and can be brought back to reality with the passage of time.
why not do therapy?
how do you tell tho at lying.... lips move & unhinged % about virus& vaxx
Excellent writing gato! Gracias!
I came across this video. It would be great to have your opinion.
https://odysee.com/@FwapUK:1/A-manufactured-illusion.-Dr-David-Martin-with-Reiner-Fuellmich-9_7_21_-720p:5
Now imagine this with family members.
Thank you for spelling it out so beautifully. Makes me happy!
If too many folks remain unvaxed it provides an obvious control group. If things go bad w the vax a control group will be highly inconvenient for these authoritarian hucksters.
yes, the control group is the thing. Why doesn't anybody question the Vit K shot on day of birth, same principle. https://thecontrolgroup.org
What does the download about the control group say?
vaccines are the biggest scam ever, and the most dangerous thing we have done to ourselves. (apart from poisoning ourselves and our home beyond any reasonable limit) So there, I have tried to summarise in one sentence, but it's not better than finding out for yourself.
I believe it. Why do we have so many autoimmune diseases that it’s worth all those commercials to fight them. The number of vaccines children have to take is unbelievable. It’s like we think we can do better than our immune systems. So much hubris.
Frankenstein science believes it's always superior to nature.
ok, so you are on the same page as I am. You will probably not be so surprised at what they find there, but you will def. find it worthwhile.
But Fauci and the AP claim that 99.9% of fatalities in the US are unvaxed. Unsurprisingly I have seen zero data supporting this. It is effectively an impossibility. But I have seen no one seriously question it. The AP article had zero references, just made the assertion.
Fauci belongs to a new scientific discipline called "Thin Air Pluckers". They pluck stats out of thin air. Fauci has done this right from the beginning. (Old joke: 82.57% of statistics, especially those that are accurate to 2 decimal places, are completely made up). Fauci's scientific methodology requires a lot of flip flopping, hence the soubriquet "Flip Flop Fauci".
Check out this article:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/
This has the potential to create a skew, favoring jabs.
My belief, for some time now, is that this is more simple: they cannot be seen to have allowed disobedient citizens to "get away with" defying them. They need everyone to get the vaccine, because they said, "everyone needs to get the vaccine." If everyone doesn't get the vaccine, and the world doesn't end, they were objectively wrong; ergo, they must do whatever it takes to maintain the veracity of their statement.
This is about compliance and control. It has not been about public health for a long, long time.
Spot on. The race has been on between vaccine and natural infection. If natural infection had won overwhelmingly, then their house of cards would have collapsed. The race was looking quite close, but then they had a brainwave: Covid recovered still need to be vaccinated. Brilliant! Game, set and match to them. Throw in the totally invented scariants, then you must admit that the fear mongers have played a great game. If it wasn't for the fact that belonging to the Covid cult makes you a total believer, which means you can't drop your fear, you would think that they would finally relax and stop wetting their beds.
I'm reading your reply and smiling and nodding knowingly from my new house in a deep red county having fled a deep blue state several months ago. :)
I suppose the red state can be thankful not to get the blues' visits.
Moving to a red state looks better and better. Though you almost have to have a cash offer over selling price to get a place. Let the blues stay put in their wrecked states.
"This guy's too dumb" hits the nail on the head. He is totally in thrall to the Covid cult.
That is the question. That's the one that makes me nervous. Because scientifically, it doesn't matter one whit.
The more people are vaxxed, the easier to implement a vax passport.