I always want to trust in your optimism but far, far too many not-rabidly-foaming-at-the-mouth Democrats are convinced to the marrow of their tender bones that horrible atrocities of enforcement are being perpetrated on "just trying to make a better life for themselves" illegal aliens.
My recent discussions with relatives--though a teeny teeny sample size--suggest how many people will vote Democratic to stop imagined horrors. The degree to which the most unexpected people have swallowed some of the most ridiculous lies of our time is quite sobering.
And--like I keep saying--the usual Republicans in govt. are absolutely determined to throw the elections so the usual corruption can keep going on forever. Tom Emmer was for all the Somalis before he started pretending to be against them.
I'd really like to see whatever hard data there is to encourage us that it all can't continue to be hidden and lied about as usual.
One other issue that I have not seen mentioned in this bevy of what-about-ism, is the scale of the problem. Given the gargantuan influx of illegals under Biden/Harris "flattening the curve" might be challenging, both in terms of time and bodies to do the work. Throw in the negative media coverage and the idiot-led protests, and the issue gets worse.
Yes of course Democrats do that. Because progressives can only 'solve' imagined horrors with money (scamdemic, AGW, hungry Minnesotan school children...), They cannot fix real problems with money or otherwise.
Sometimes solutions are not the answer. Remember the constant refrain that there had to be a "comprehensive solution" to stop people trying to illegally enter the US? Funny how none of the pundits who sanctimoniously lectured the American public about this have admitted that they were wrong now that Trump has shown that was nonsense. It turns out all that was needed was to have a President who was willing to secure the border:
To be absolutely clear, the numbers support Bad Cat's assertions. Clinton and Obama removed a TON of folks, while also maintaining a lower influx of illegal crossings. Biden did NEITHER. And this was not a mistake, it was mostly policy. Now, as to your question regarding the degree to which folks still believe the B.S., I too am shocked and not hopeful.
Well, funny thing about those numbers and I was surprised to see them cited here without in-depth elaboration because as I understand much of what Obama did was to turn away entries at the border rather than doing the harder and more controversial work of deporting illegals from the interior.
Trump is doing the necessary but perceptually uglier actual deportations.
Like I said, I accounted for differences in what one called a removal. I accounted for those nuances for BOTH Clinton and Obama. After all the nuance, and all the precise definitions, the numbers STILL show what Bad Cat asserts. (In-depth elaboration is what I did BEFORE I spoke here.) I feel relatively confident Bad Cat did the same, but hey, he can speak for himself. As another poster already noted, the perception seems to be a largely media-driven thing.
I'm pushing on this because one of the conservatives I follow on X did a breakdown for the purpose of proving Trump's actual deportations were higher than Obama's and citing the "denial of entry at the border" aspect to validate his analysis.
I looked it up too and 'denial at border'/returns aren't rolled into deportations/removals. if they were, the number would be closer to 5 mil instead of 3 mil.
I don't know what else to tell you. It took ChatGPT 20 minutes to complete my query. And that's not counting the follow-ups and further explanations of the conclusions. The nuance and all the possible different ways to count was--as far as I can tell--covered. I don't know what that particular commentator was after, nor his motivations, nor his methods. The numbers seem clear and the "denial at the border" gambit does not somehow change the conclusions, at least not for me. #YMMV
I'm not trying to give you a hard time; on the contrary I appreciate this rigor.
My brother sent me the Obama deportation figures to "prove" that Trump was failing even on his signature issue and I replied to him based on what I've just cited from the guy on X (whose motivation was to demonstrate Trump's effectiveness and to demolish the arguments from the Left).
So it's quite important to me to have unassailable numbers. Having a hard-enough time countering the hysteria from my relatives about Trump as the Devil Incarnate.
AI can only use what data it is fed. It is nothing more than a more powerful Wikipedia. It may not, heavy on the “may” be wrong but can still be woefully inaccurate. I trust nothing that AI delivers.
Did any of this account for self-removals as well? I was under the impression that those were where the real numbers were for Trump. ( this would not change the correct assertion about the hypocritical flip/flop on the issue by Democrats and the Establishment)
As I said in another part of this thread, the numbers about which I drew my conclusions do not appear to mix ostensibly false metrics into the totals. In fact, I focused upon "adjudicated removals" which would seem, as best I can tell, to exclude "self-removals" although I have only a vague clue what that term really means. I tried to be as rigorous as possible, and I assume the same is true of the Bad Cat.
I’m on our local central committee in Iowa. Some of us “younger” people on the committee were trying to get the committee to send a “strongly worded letter” to the senate to express our displeasure at what our senate majority leader did. You would have thought we were trying to order a hit on someone. I stood and said “this is why Republicans are going to lose. We can’t do anything.”
And after last night’s meeting (and even before), I agree with your sentiment. I don’t think anything is going to happen at all. I just read where Deloitte gets billions of dollars for some bs and they are the firm that sends everything to India. There is SO much fraud and the people in charge of stopping it are getting paid so why would they? We all need to stop paying taxes.
Just about every long-serving Republican in Congress is hoping to outlast Trump and get back to normal. They've been selling out the country to leftist idiocy for as long as I've been old enough to notice. And the public education system made sure people like me saw Democrats as the party of decency and justice. That is some profound failure of duty to our Constitutional values and here we are.
There's a reason I voted very rarely throughout my lifetime and every time I did vote--except for November 2024--I regretted it afterwards. This past election I cast my ballot as the vengeance of the Lord and that's kind of a unique circumstance.
My conversations with my brother have clarified that extremely decent people who consider themselves well-educated by life experience will reject all consideration of evidence of what has been done to us. That's how bad things are.
Utopianists always fall in love with their own vision and after a while they are visualizing it, and aching for it so hard they start to believe it’s real although it’s not - like Narcissus drowning into his own image.
I agree with you but have found that when i ask those same people why they think the dem politicians would be so violently defending even criminals it does cause pause. When i can bring up if maybe there’s a different reason for resistance like vote harvesting with mail in ballots and census swelling for electoral number inflation. Doesn’t always work but does cause them to have to think beyond “They are hard working and just want a better life.”
What I find remarkable is how all of them, in one way or another, keep selling out what we may use as a collective example little black autistic boys with multiple physical handicaps whose working class mothers will die of stress-related conditions trying to get them placed in safe decent affordable long-term residential care.
AWFUL is an acronym that I believe the NYT invented for a recent article.
AWFL is an acronym that has been around for years. I dunno why the NYT felt like they had to add a “U” in the middle. Especially since so many AWFLs are from the suburbs.
and it has spread to affluent recent immigrants. I noted this a few years ago and was utterly confused why they trashed the US when it allowed them to 'flourish.' But maybe that is the problem. If you talk to those of European descent middle aged and older, most likely it was drilled into them to be grateful that their forebearers had climbed from the shithole that awaited them after Ellis Island inspected them like cattle.
All our institutions have done such a lousy job at schooling us in the true value and uniqueness of our Constitutional Republic that it's hardly any surprise immigrants can't grasp them.
TDS is basically the predictable result of a religious cult falling apart.
For decades, mostly due to communists in the media, being on the left meant that you were the “cool” revolutionaries against an “evil” establishment. It let people feel like they were the rebels in Star Wars, from the rich elite billionaires to the welfare queens. They were the “good guys”.
Trump broke that illusion. He made it cool to be a small-l libertarian (even though he demonstrably is not) live and let live conservative. He made it okay to be white, Christian, straight, or anything else that has been bullied by the media since the 60’s. Thus, he must be destroyed at all costs. For their one true god (fashionable leftistm) is now dying.
This is also why all the usual derogatory terms the left loved to associate with conservatism (even though we never had a damn thing to do with any of it) have lost all their meaning from overuse.
I consider TDS to be the hatred of millions of Americans focused on 1 man. When Trump is gone, we'll still be here, whatever are they going to do with millions of us ? I hardly think that they'll call for a cessation of hostilities, or a truce, because their hatred is the glue and commonality that binds them together.
Hatred is indeed the glue that binds together disparate factions such as transgenders, AWFLs, climate warriors, "intellectuals," apologists, Never Trumpers, bureaucrats, MSM, socialists, etc., etc., etc. They are for a bunch of varied, crazy shit, but against what they perceive to be their enemy: Trump! And simultaneously, Common Sense.
This!!! ---> "When Trump is gone, we'll still be here, whatever are they going to do with millions of us ?"
Even in my small local newspaper I can tell the letters to the editor that are best described by TDS aren't even attempting to be persuasive to some other cause.
I think TDS (and all of the hate that comes with it) is more of a symptom than a cause of our current problems. The root cause is the democrat party and its close affiliates (corporate media and the deep state) and the way they are allowed to operate. They lie with impunity, they cheat on elections, they siphon off and launder vast amounts of public money and they run what amounts to a constant low-level psyop on the American people - to distract them from important, real, issues, and to insure the personal destruction of their enemies.
I went to ChatGPT and did a deep query on almost exactly the same information. #GreatMinds
The number of removals under both Clinton and Obama makes the attempts at removals by Trump pale by comparison. I was sure this was incorrect, but the numbers don't lie. (Furthermore, and you didn't mention this, I don't think. Under Biden there were just as many apprehensions, there were just fewer--by a lot--removals as a result. They had more of a "catch and release" program! This is in addition to the massive influx of illegal crossings under Biden.) And yet... Now, it's all "a thing" for ostensible progressives to fret over. Cry me a river. What shocks me the most is not blue-haired idiots screaming at ICE. What shocks me is supposedly intelligent folks believing the same B.S.
"What shocks me is supposedly intelligent folks believing the same B.S."
The MSM is their "AI," Wiltster. Are you shocked by their credulity, or by their laziness?
"The Long March" inculcated a very specific form of credulity within these "intelligent" people. How many times have you done the homework of others? You ascertain verifiability, where the prosperous "intelligentsia" tends to their portfolios and hedonic pursuits.
Yeah, there's a lot of behavioral science behind it all, but that doesn't give intelligent people a free pass.
Really, the bottom line has always been self-interest. Fraud is profitable, Wiltster, and those who choose credulity, are profiting from all of this, personally.
I saw it from the other side of the political aisle, back in the nineteen-seventies. What I failed, then, to understand, was that complacency originates in sufficiency, inevitably. Back in the day, the "have nots" agitated, then became the "haves" while I watched, and still failed to understand what I was witnessing.
I mean you no disrespect by insinuating that you are remiss by being shocked; shock is the proper response of an honest man. Perhaps you are projecting that trait onto others who do not share it.
I think a fair difference between now and then is the (perceived) ratcheting up of aggressiveness in tactics and behavior by ICE. They also seem to be a lot more sloppy in their police work, detaining a lot of people who are legal residents and citizens. What I’m not sure about is if this perception is strictly a creation by the media or if they are real differences between Trump’s ICE and that of previous administrations.
It is a media driven fiction. The aggressiveness is caused by the agitators. In locals where there are no agitators/activists the operations are quite smooth. In fact, locals often don't even know an arrest happened.
Exactly this. It's hard me to see how Clinton could "deport" 1 million and Obama almost 3 million, and the tactics of ICE be all that different, particularly given the SAME guy is leading ICE.
I don’t really care what the circumstances are, it is inexcusable for ICE to be dragging a citizen out of his shower in sub freezing temps without a warrant. Agitators aren’t causing things like this to happen, it’s ICE’s own sloppy training and stupidity. There’s a different story every day here about how a legal resident or citizen was harmed needlessly by ICE. What I’m wondering is if things like this were happening before and just weren’t reported on by a friendlier media or if this is a unique feature of the Trump administration.
Mistakes are bound to be made because humans and their info aren't perfect. Might I suggest that if he knew he was a citizen with nothing to worry about, refusing to open the door was a really stupid decision. He could have opened it promptly and had a discussion that might well have ended with a "sorry we bothered you." It never goes well when you think you can ignore law a enforcement request.
That doesn’t give ICE the right to drag the dude out half naked into the cold. Especially given they tried to show his proof of citizenship and they refused to see it. As an American citizen you best believe I’m not opening my door to law enforcement without a warrant. That right is quite explicitly laid out in the fourth amendment and it is how every defense lawyer would advise their client to approach that situation.
I understand some mistakes will be made but again, stories like this are coming out every day, where ICE are just making a comedy of unforced errors. They had no right to be in this man’s house to begin with. Then, if they would have allowed them to show his proof of citizenship, the situation could have been avoided. There’s really no excuse for these mistakes other than being a roided up retard.
hmmm how many legal citizens were dragged out of their houses in the middle of the night, or their houses raided by the plain old FBI during Biden's horrible 4 years? The media cackled
I have been thinking a lot about all of the "unforced errors" that you mention. The best comparison I can make is to the first year of the major conficts we've been in, when we've mobilized well beyond what was the norm immediately before. There are remarkable similarities -- basically giant organizations don't move quickly and when forced to, the errors can be egregious for some time as things get sorted.
If you don’t like the current situation then you can think autopen for letting in 11 mil illegals...in order to set up the circumstances you're now seeing.
And thank sanctuary cities for not turning over criminal illegals to ICE. The people clutching pearls over someone detained for an hour in a case of mistaken identity never want to talk about how their own insane policies caused the problem.
Sure. That doesn’t address anything I said though. ICE absolutely needs to do a better job of respecting the rights of citizens and legal residents. That can’t just be viewed as collateral damage. If autopen’s administration were wrongfully detaining citizens left and right like this, I don’t think many of us would be this cavalier about it.
If it can happen to that guy now, who’s to say if a dem wins in 28 it won’t happen to one of us then?
I’m talking only about legal residents and citizens who have been harmed by ICE. There are plenty of examples of this happening. I live near Minneapolis so I’m especially exposed to seeing them and it absolutely is a problem. I do not think it is weaponized or toxic empathy to believe that the rights of innocent people who live here legally should not be collateral damage in this operation. If not, you’re opening up the door for the left to defile us even more once they take power again, and they almost certainly will. Think about how Obama and Biden were able to abuse the powers granted to the executive via the patriot act and the war on terror.
I think we’re misunderstanding each other, which is fine. I was not remotely in favor of anything that happened during Covid. I don’t think suggesting that ICE needs to respect the rights of citizens and legal residents is anything remotely similar to commending what the state did to everybody’s civil liberties over the COVID years. I actually think those two stances are entirely inconsistent with each other.
Are you considering the veracity of those stories ? Oh, you saw it happen, right there in a video, reported by the local voice of the democrats media. Uh huh.
“Perceived” is the key word. I ran a query on perplexity…very few citizens have been caught up in ICE raids (unless they were aiding and abetting illegal immigrants), and no protestors have been harmed or killed…only agitators actively obstructing ICE investigations.
I think the big difference was Blue cities with large immigrant populations had courts and police who cooperated, allowing ICE to come get them at the court/jail. Now they force them to go get them and when ICE runs across other illegals are legal bound to deport.
I remember my first passes through some books like Atlas Shrugged, 1984 etc and thinking "ok, I get the danger of collectivism, but this is kinda over the top!"
book “1984 “, I was in high school (1970) and the year 1984 seemed years away and i thought “this will never happen”. Now i laugh at what a naive child i was.😳.
This is the reason we need to let the Trump 2.0 administration work, keep up the support and the pressure on Congress. They aren't perfect and they're not magicians, but the progress in one year has truly been phenomenal. Everything seems to be interlocking and making more sense as actions and events unfold.
Sure, I'd love to see hundreds of perps in leg-irons today (or 10-12 months ago), and it's daunting to see how big and bad the crimes have been, for so long. Lockdown psychos and arson/assault mobs are top of my list. We all have our druthers.
Still, if there's even a chance of rolling up these foul schemes in a somewhat comprehensive way, laying them out clearly so brainwashed fools snap out of it, or at least get a glimmer of a good reason to pipe down for a decade or three, that would be better than premature arrests that don't ultimately lead very far up the food chain.
Focusing on local midterms is far more important than any other single issue, and I say that as someone unenthusiastic about local politics and very fixated on a few single issues. Until more EOs are enacted into law, however, and the Supremes reinforce: every bit of progress to-date, and any to come, across the country, is vulnerable to exactly what's happening in Virginia right now.
Idk, I lack confidence any kind of a reckoning is incoming. I don’t believe that I am alone either. Some high level heads must roll. My advice to Trump is if you can’t get it done then swear in former veterans and people like me who will.
Failure to accomplish something significant over this will lead to a bloodbath in the midterms. So many are black pilled already. Time to stop fucking around or we will be in far worse shape after the crazies regain power. It’s time the left feels fear.
You're not wrong. I'm not seeing it either. It seems like they think if they offer up enough guilty "midwit" minions, the ringleaders will remain free, regroup, and continue.
Sanctuary cities and states do not honor or allow ICE detainers. The root of the problem created by Democrats forces public arrests. Then, distortion becomes a weapon for ideological advantage and propaganda.
"Those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws" —President Obama
Why the man with the best information and highest security clearance on earth said this because:
Bloomberg: Headline: Venezuela's Violent Deaths Fall to 22-Year Low on Migration
Text: Venezuela's rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation's economic crisis. —Archived Source: https://archive.is/JOaY9
The problem — reaction — solution destruction of America via mass border crossings of people who deeply hate us because the government bombed mercilessly their countries into oblivian for a decade, brought to you by:
Ten Ways Billionaires Who Hate You Are Manipulating You Right Now by @thewisewolf
1) The first manipulation is the illusion of choice. You think you have two parties representing different visions for America but both parties are funded by the same billionaires, vote for the same surveillance bills, approve the same defense budgets, and serve the same corporate interests. The choice you are given is which color tie the puppet wears, not who controls the strings.
2) The second manipulation is emotional hijacking. The news does not inform you, it activates you. Every story is framed to trigger fear or anger or disgust because those emotions bypass your rational thinking and make you easier to control. You are not watching journalism. You are being subjected to psychological operations designed to keep you in a constant state of agitation.
3) The third manipulation is tribal sorting. The algorithm learns what makes you angry and feeds you more of it until your entire worldview is shaped by outrage at the other side. You are sorted into a tribe not because you chose it but because keeping you tribal keeps you predictable and profitable.
4) The fourth manipulation is false scarcity. You are told resources are limited and the other tribe is taking what belongs to you. Immigrants are stealing your jobs. Welfare recipients are draining your taxes. The other party is destroying your healthcare. Meanwhile the billionaire class has more wealth than any humans in history and could solve most of these problems tomorrow if they wanted to.
5) The fifth manipulation is memory holing. Stories that threaten powerful interests get buried or forgotten within days. Exposed crimes result in no consequences. Historical context that would help you understand the present is never taught. You are kept in a perpetual present with no past to learn from and no future to plan for.
6) The sixth manipulation is controlled opposition. The voices you think are fighting for you are often funded by the same interests they pretend to oppose. The outrage merchant on your side of the aisle is playing a character designed to keep you engaged and angry and tuned in while nothing ever actually changes.
7) The seventh manipulation is the Overton window. The range of acceptable opinion is artificially narrowed so that anything outside it seems extreme. Ideas that were mainstream fifty years ago are now treated as radical. Ideas that serve elite interests are treated as moderate common sense. You are not choosing your beliefs from the full range of human thought. You are choosing from a menu they wrote.
8) The eighth manipulation is learned helplessness. You are shown so many problems with no solutions that you eventually give up and accept that nothing can change. This is intentional. A population that believes resistance is futile does not resist. They scroll and complain and feel superior for understanding how bad things are while doing absolutely nothing about it.
9) The ninth manipulation is identity capture. Your political affiliation becomes your identity, and any attack on your party feels like an attack on you personally. This makes you defend politicians and policies that harm you because admitting they are wrong would mean admitting you were wrong, and your ego will not allow that.
10) The tenth manipulation is the most insidious of all: you are manipulated into believing you are too smart to be manipulated. Every person reading this thinks the manipulations I described apply to other people, the stupid people, the brainwashed people on the other side. That certainty is itself a manipulation. The moment you believe you are immune is the moment you become most vulnerable
"In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens."
and 11: nearly everyone reading this is funding their detriment with their investment dollars, whether 401ks or any other instrument. take a look and see, including any unexamined index funds.
Truth. While I'm sure the Republican mafia has a take in it, they have nowhere near the systemic structures and persistence of the Dems, especially when it comes to the education complex, the media, and the NGO grift machine. The best possible outcome would be a complete meltdown and exposure of the kickback schemes and wanton complicity of the dem/socialist cabal to displace the culture and rip the entire country apart - financially and morally. Hope to God the midterms become a shitshow of dem incompetence and MAGA show of force.
Anyone thinking we woudn't revert back to 2020 need only look at the agenda Spanberger just released for Virginia yesterday.
Tell me that isn’t one seriously fucked state. I wonder how long the Virginians will put up with that shit. But then again, it’s merely a suburb of dc now.
It’s amusing there are people left who thinks there will be individual accountability of politicians. But noise and outrage… that we always have in abundance.
From what I gather, when a liberal screams that Trump is Hitler, you then point out Obama deported more illegals, the Liberal then screams Trump is incompetent.
Agree it's not been subtle at all. So why in the hell are people thinking they can continue the subterfuge and a different response will occur? My neighbors are delusional about the truth or facts or blatant fraud. One is still decrying the demise of USAID... This is just ridiculous and I pray the tide turns to be a tsunami of epic proportions.
The more the left refuses to 1) acknowledge reality and 2) follow the will of the people the more angry the people will become.
This is another boys pretending to be girls raping girls in the girls bathroom issue. Deranged lunatics thought this was just fine (until it happened to their daughter) but the 90% of the rest of us were pissed. Luckily there was a political solution and that’s being implemented. When the political solution is off the table, only one thing remains.
I always want to trust in your optimism but far, far too many not-rabidly-foaming-at-the-mouth Democrats are convinced to the marrow of their tender bones that horrible atrocities of enforcement are being perpetrated on "just trying to make a better life for themselves" illegal aliens.
My recent discussions with relatives--though a teeny teeny sample size--suggest how many people will vote Democratic to stop imagined horrors. The degree to which the most unexpected people have swallowed some of the most ridiculous lies of our time is quite sobering.
And--like I keep saying--the usual Republicans in govt. are absolutely determined to throw the elections so the usual corruption can keep going on forever. Tom Emmer was for all the Somalis before he started pretending to be against them.
I'd really like to see whatever hard data there is to encourage us that it all can't continue to be hidden and lied about as usual.
Democrats live for imagined horrors while turning a blind eye to real ones.
Oh well, the ICE raids will continue until we flatten the curve of illegal immigration.
We're all in it together!...;)
I'm with you, Ryan. But I don't know how many are with us. I'm afraid we're going to find out.
Heard a rumor that veterans en masse are joining ICE. These are the true America First
Love this, Ryan! (Not a shock, I know.)
One other issue that I have not seen mentioned in this bevy of what-about-ism, is the scale of the problem. Given the gargantuan influx of illegals under Biden/Harris "flattening the curve" might be challenging, both in terms of time and bodies to do the work. Throw in the negative media coverage and the idiot-led protests, and the issue gets worse.
Only two weeks, right?
Still makes me angry
Not in VA…miserable new governor will stop working with ICE. We need ICE here!
That’s a very Thomas Sowell-esque statement. Love it.
Yes of course Democrats do that. Because progressives can only 'solve' imagined horrors with money (scamdemic, AGW, hungry Minnesotan school children...), They cannot fix real problems with money or otherwise.
Solutions are not the answer! -Some famous crook.
Sometimes solutions are not the answer. Remember the constant refrain that there had to be a "comprehensive solution" to stop people trying to illegally enter the US? Funny how none of the pundits who sanctimoniously lectured the American public about this have admitted that they were wrong now that Trump has shown that was nonsense. It turns out all that was needed was to have a President who was willing to secure the border:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wd8938e8o
It’s bread in 1st world-bread-and circuses.
To be absolutely clear, the numbers support Bad Cat's assertions. Clinton and Obama removed a TON of folks, while also maintaining a lower influx of illegal crossings. Biden did NEITHER. And this was not a mistake, it was mostly policy. Now, as to your question regarding the degree to which folks still believe the B.S., I too am shocked and not hopeful.
Well, funny thing about those numbers and I was surprised to see them cited here without in-depth elaboration because as I understand much of what Obama did was to turn away entries at the border rather than doing the harder and more controversial work of deporting illegals from the interior.
Trump is doing the necessary but perceptually uglier actual deportations.
Like I said, I accounted for differences in what one called a removal. I accounted for those nuances for BOTH Clinton and Obama. After all the nuance, and all the precise definitions, the numbers STILL show what Bad Cat asserts. (In-depth elaboration is what I did BEFORE I spoke here.) I feel relatively confident Bad Cat did the same, but hey, he can speak for himself. As another poster already noted, the perception seems to be a largely media-driven thing.
I'm pushing on this because one of the conservatives I follow on X did a breakdown for the purpose of proving Trump's actual deportations were higher than Obama's and citing the "denial of entry at the border" aspect to validate his analysis.
I looked it up too and 'denial at border'/returns aren't rolled into deportations/removals. if they were, the number would be closer to 5 mil instead of 3 mil.
Like I said below I'm glad for all these responses in this thread.
Booyah.
I don't know what else to tell you. It took ChatGPT 20 minutes to complete my query. And that's not counting the follow-ups and further explanations of the conclusions. The nuance and all the possible different ways to count was--as far as I can tell--covered. I don't know what that particular commentator was after, nor his motivations, nor his methods. The numbers seem clear and the "denial at the border" gambit does not somehow change the conclusions, at least not for me. #YMMV
I'm not trying to give you a hard time; on the contrary I appreciate this rigor.
My brother sent me the Obama deportation figures to "prove" that Trump was failing even on his signature issue and I replied to him based on what I've just cited from the guy on X (whose motivation was to demonstrate Trump's effectiveness and to demolish the arguments from the Left).
So it's quite important to me to have unassailable numbers. Having a hard-enough time countering the hysteria from my relatives about Trump as the Devil Incarnate.
AI can only use what data it is fed. It is nothing more than a more powerful Wikipedia. It may not, heavy on the “may” be wrong but can still be woefully inaccurate. I trust nothing that AI delivers.
https://www.clintonfoundationtimeline.com/january-13-2026watch-how-calmly-the-media-talked-about-ice-raids-and-family-separation-under-obama-video/
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-27/presidential-immigration-debate-fact-check-and-who-built-the-cages
Did any of this account for self-removals as well? I was under the impression that those were where the real numbers were for Trump. ( this would not change the correct assertion about the hypocritical flip/flop on the issue by Democrats and the Establishment)
As I said in another part of this thread, the numbers about which I drew my conclusions do not appear to mix ostensibly false metrics into the totals. In fact, I focused upon "adjudicated removals" which would seem, as best I can tell, to exclude "self-removals" although I have only a vague clue what that term really means. I tried to be as rigorous as possible, and I assume the same is true of the Bad Cat.
Agreed. If we don’t get voter ID sorted before midterms, it’s going to get very ugly. I saw a map where — surprise — no-ID states swung for Kamala.
And add to that conservatives / libertarians / moderates / independents best not be complacent this midterm. The left is fired up. Got to vote!
Well, I done all the whoring out of my integrity for the sake of the nation that any gal can reasonably be expected to do.
But you're not just an ordinary gal...
Oh Wolfie!
I’m on our local central committee in Iowa. Some of us “younger” people on the committee were trying to get the committee to send a “strongly worded letter” to the senate to express our displeasure at what our senate majority leader did. You would have thought we were trying to order a hit on someone. I stood and said “this is why Republicans are going to lose. We can’t do anything.”
And after last night’s meeting (and even before), I agree with your sentiment. I don’t think anything is going to happen at all. I just read where Deloitte gets billions of dollars for some bs and they are the firm that sends everything to India. There is SO much fraud and the people in charge of stopping it are getting paid so why would they? We all need to stop paying taxes.
Just about every long-serving Republican in Congress is hoping to outlast Trump and get back to normal. They've been selling out the country to leftist idiocy for as long as I've been old enough to notice. And the public education system made sure people like me saw Democrats as the party of decency and justice. That is some profound failure of duty to our Constitutional values and here we are.
There's a reason I voted very rarely throughout my lifetime and every time I did vote--except for November 2024--I regretted it afterwards. This past election I cast my ballot as the vengeance of the Lord and that's kind of a unique circumstance.
My conversations with my brother have clarified that extremely decent people who consider themselves well-educated by life experience will reject all consideration of evidence of what has been done to us. That's how bad things are.
Yep.
I lost a chunk of my community from Covid vax. Palestine and immigrants are eating the rest.
I still think I am the reasonable one who hasn't really changed viewpoint, LOL.
They won't get the chance. Cue Martial Law.
Bring in Kyle Rittenhouse!
Holding Maduro's leash...
Lolol
I think part of it is they also got high on their own supply, as Leftists since the Jacobins and Cordeliers have been wont to do. Case in point:
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/americas-electoral-future/
Utopianists always fall in love with their own vision and after a while they are visualizing it, and aching for it so hard they start to believe it’s real although it’s not - like Narcissus drowning into his own image.
I agree with you but have found that when i ask those same people why they think the dem politicians would be so violently defending even criminals it does cause pause. When i can bring up if maybe there’s a different reason for resistance like vote harvesting with mail in ballots and census swelling for electoral number inflation. Doesn’t always work but does cause them to have to think beyond “They are hard working and just want a better life.”
What I find remarkable is how all of them, in one way or another, keep selling out what we may use as a collective example little black autistic boys with multiple physical handicaps whose working class mothers will die of stress-related conditions trying to get them placed in safe decent affordable long-term residential care.
“AWFULs (affluent white female urban liberals)”
AWFUL is an acronym that I believe the NYT invented for a recent article.
AWFL is an acronym that has been around for years. I dunno why the NYT felt like they had to add a “U” in the middle. Especially since so many AWFLs are from the suburbs.
You'll see the hard data this November.
My FB survey says 60% are anti-ICE (posting ICE-Warrior type stuff) and only 40% are pro-ICE.....
And I see my friends - riding the AWFL train....
And Blondi is a swamp creature. There should have been thousands of arrests in Mpls alone.
Do you think she has a magic wand as the Democrats pretend they do?
I get wanting to make sure the case is solid. At the same time, every time a Demorrhoid gets away with insurrection, it emboldens the others.
and it has spread to affluent recent immigrants. I noted this a few years ago and was utterly confused why they trashed the US when it allowed them to 'flourish.' But maybe that is the problem. If you talk to those of European descent middle aged and older, most likely it was drilled into them to be grateful that their forebearers had climbed from the shithole that awaited them after Ellis Island inspected them like cattle.
All our institutions have done such a lousy job at schooling us in the true value and uniqueness of our Constitutional Republic that it's hardly any surprise immigrants can't grasp them.
I grasp it. Every day I'm grateful we came here, and as soon as I could process my citizenship, I did. After I'd already enlisted in the military.
Absolute, 100% conclusive proof that TDS is the cause of derangement on the left.
TDS is really much simpler than people think.
TDS is basically the predictable result of a religious cult falling apart.
For decades, mostly due to communists in the media, being on the left meant that you were the “cool” revolutionaries against an “evil” establishment. It let people feel like they were the rebels in Star Wars, from the rich elite billionaires to the welfare queens. They were the “good guys”.
Trump broke that illusion. He made it cool to be a small-l libertarian (even though he demonstrably is not) live and let live conservative. He made it okay to be white, Christian, straight, or anything else that has been bullied by the media since the 60’s. Thus, he must be destroyed at all costs. For their one true god (fashionable leftistm) is now dying.
This is also why all the usual derogatory terms the left loved to associate with conservatism (even though we never had a damn thing to do with any of it) have lost all their meaning from overuse.
I consider TDS to be the hatred of millions of Americans focused on 1 man. When Trump is gone, we'll still be here, whatever are they going to do with millions of us ? I hardly think that they'll call for a cessation of hostilities, or a truce, because their hatred is the glue and commonality that binds them together.
Hatred is indeed the glue that binds together disparate factions such as transgenders, AWFLs, climate warriors, "intellectuals," apologists, Never Trumpers, bureaucrats, MSM, socialists, etc., etc., etc. They are for a bunch of varied, crazy shit, but against what they perceive to be their enemy: Trump! And simultaneously, Common Sense.
This!!! ---> "When Trump is gone, we'll still be here, whatever are they going to do with millions of us ?"
Even in my small local newspaper I can tell the letters to the editor that are best described by TDS aren't even attempting to be persuasive to some other cause.
1M times this, squared. The cult aspect is very disturbing. The violence is absurd.
I think TDS (and all of the hate that comes with it) is more of a symptom than a cause of our current problems. The root cause is the democrat party and its close affiliates (corporate media and the deep state) and the way they are allowed to operate. They lie with impunity, they cheat on elections, they siphon off and launder vast amounts of public money and they run what amounts to a constant low-level psyop on the American people - to distract them from important, real, issues, and to insure the personal destruction of their enemies.
Yes. 100%
They’re like the Sith. They thrive on anger and hatred.
True.
Its amazing how hard they cling to harboring hate.
Goodness, just thinking about it wears me out.
As the meme says...
"In reality, they're not after me, they're after you.
I'm just the guy standing in the way."
When Trump is gone they will switch it to someone else. Maybe Vance?
Yes. Transference.
Im old enough to remember when Reagan was the great Satan and was going to destroy earth.
and too many on the right.
No... Getting caught is the cause.
VERY good point
"It's only a crime when you get caught." - someone, can't remember.
And the lame stream media.
I went to ChatGPT and did a deep query on almost exactly the same information. #GreatMinds
The number of removals under both Clinton and Obama makes the attempts at removals by Trump pale by comparison. I was sure this was incorrect, but the numbers don't lie. (Furthermore, and you didn't mention this, I don't think. Under Biden there were just as many apprehensions, there were just fewer--by a lot--removals as a result. They had more of a "catch and release" program! This is in addition to the massive influx of illegal crossings under Biden.) And yet... Now, it's all "a thing" for ostensible progressives to fret over. Cry me a river. What shocks me the most is not blue-haired idiots screaming at ICE. What shocks me is supposedly intelligent folks believing the same B.S.
For the sake of factual accounting ...
Don't forget that under Obama, turnarounds at the border were labeled deportations in order to strengthen his law-and-order cred.
The actual numbers of in-country illegals removed was far lower than the numbers suggest.
I accounted for differences in what a removal might have been called. Same answer. Obama and Clinton "removed" a ton of people.
i did too!
AT LEAST he STOPPED them at the border, instead of waving them on in, like the Biden administration.
"What shocks me is supposedly intelligent folks believing the same B.S."
The MSM is their "AI," Wiltster. Are you shocked by their credulity, or by their laziness?
"The Long March" inculcated a very specific form of credulity within these "intelligent" people. How many times have you done the homework of others? You ascertain verifiability, where the prosperous "intelligentsia" tends to their portfolios and hedonic pursuits.
Yeah, there's a lot of behavioral science behind it all, but that doesn't give intelligent people a free pass.
Really, the bottom line has always been self-interest. Fraud is profitable, Wiltster, and those who choose credulity, are profiting from all of this, personally.
I saw it from the other side of the political aisle, back in the nineteen-seventies. What I failed, then, to understand, was that complacency originates in sufficiency, inevitably. Back in the day, the "have nots" agitated, then became the "haves" while I watched, and still failed to understand what I was witnessing.
I mean you no disrespect by insinuating that you are remiss by being shocked; shock is the proper response of an honest man. Perhaps you are projecting that trait onto others who do not share it.
Maybe I just find stupidity shocking, no matter the history. ;-)
I think a fair difference between now and then is the (perceived) ratcheting up of aggressiveness in tactics and behavior by ICE. They also seem to be a lot more sloppy in their police work, detaining a lot of people who are legal residents and citizens. What I’m not sure about is if this perception is strictly a creation by the media or if they are real differences between Trump’s ICE and that of previous administrations.
It is a media driven fiction. The aggressiveness is caused by the agitators. In locals where there are no agitators/activists the operations are quite smooth. In fact, locals often don't even know an arrest happened.
Exactly this. It's hard me to see how Clinton could "deport" 1 million and Obama almost 3 million, and the tactics of ICE be all that different, particularly given the SAME guy is leading ICE.
I live near Minneapolis so I’m a bit more sensitive to it. To a large extent, I agree with you that the agitators are making the situation worse. But there are stories like this coming out every day here where ICE just acts retarded and makes unforced errors: https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/us-citizen-says-ice-removed-him-from-his-minnesota-home-in-his-underwear-after-warrantless-chongly-scott-doj-kristi-noem-republicans-minneapolis-st-paul
I don’t really care what the circumstances are, it is inexcusable for ICE to be dragging a citizen out of his shower in sub freezing temps without a warrant. Agitators aren’t causing things like this to happen, it’s ICE’s own sloppy training and stupidity. There’s a different story every day here about how a legal resident or citizen was harmed needlessly by ICE. What I’m wondering is if things like this were happening before and just weren’t reported on by a friendlier media or if this is a unique feature of the Trump administration.
Mistakes are bound to be made because humans and their info aren't perfect. Might I suggest that if he knew he was a citizen with nothing to worry about, refusing to open the door was a really stupid decision. He could have opened it promptly and had a discussion that might well have ended with a "sorry we bothered you." It never goes well when you think you can ignore law a enforcement request.
That doesn’t give ICE the right to drag the dude out half naked into the cold. Especially given they tried to show his proof of citizenship and they refused to see it. As an American citizen you best believe I’m not opening my door to law enforcement without a warrant. That right is quite explicitly laid out in the fourth amendment and it is how every defense lawyer would advise their client to approach that situation.
I understand some mistakes will be made but again, stories like this are coming out every day, where ICE are just making a comedy of unforced errors. They had no right to be in this man’s house to begin with. Then, if they would have allowed them to show his proof of citizenship, the situation could have been avoided. There’s really no excuse for these mistakes other than being a roided up retard.
hmmm how many legal citizens were dragged out of their houses in the middle of the night, or their houses raided by the plain old FBI during Biden's horrible 4 years? The media cackled
I have been thinking a lot about all of the "unforced errors" that you mention. The best comparison I can make is to the first year of the major conficts we've been in, when we've mobilized well beyond what was the norm immediately before. There are remarkable similarities -- basically giant organizations don't move quickly and when forced to, the errors can be egregious for some time as things get sorted.
Oh noes.
We voted to remove ALL illegals.
And that's what Trump promised.
If you don’t like the current situation then you can think autopen for letting in 11 mil illegals...in order to set up the circumstances you're now seeing.
And thank sanctuary cities for not turning over criminal illegals to ICE. The people clutching pearls over someone detained for an hour in a case of mistaken identity never want to talk about how their own insane policies caused the problem.
Sure. That doesn’t address anything I said though. ICE absolutely needs to do a better job of respecting the rights of citizens and legal residents. That can’t just be viewed as collateral damage. If autopen’s administration were wrongfully detaining citizens left and right like this, I don’t think many of us would be this cavalier about it.
If it can happen to that guy now, who’s to say if a dem wins in 28 it won’t happen to one of us then?
Frankly I don't care.
But, you are right, they will hunt sane people down like prey.
Most of these people would open the door for your last shower and think they were doing good.
You're falling for weaponized empathy. Don't let it turn into toxic empathy.
If you think you could do better given the scope of the logistics then please provide a solution as you see it.
I’m talking only about legal residents and citizens who have been harmed by ICE. There are plenty of examples of this happening. I live near Minneapolis so I’m especially exposed to seeing them and it absolutely is a problem. I do not think it is weaponized or toxic empathy to believe that the rights of innocent people who live here legally should not be collateral damage in this operation. If not, you’re opening up the door for the left to defile us even more once they take power again, and they almost certainly will. Think about how Obama and Biden were able to abuse the powers granted to the executive via the patriot act and the war on terror.
Oh well...a few eggs.
Again, you seem to have no solution or understanding of the scale required to deport the illegals let in by Biden.
What's worse:
One of your loved ones killed, maimed or raped or a few people having to deal with the few cases you mention?
Pretty sure you'd have a different opinion.
I understand what you're saying, but that's exactly what the radical Left wants you to think/feel.
No quarter. They set up those conditions.
BTW, this was the EXACT mentality that allowed our civil liberties to be neutered during the scamdemic.
Anyone who resisted was labeled a disruptor and de facto banned from time and space in society.
Im sure you went along with the whole charade, cuz of course it was the socially "polite" thing to do.
I think we’re misunderstanding each other, which is fine. I was not remotely in favor of anything that happened during Covid. I don’t think suggesting that ICE needs to respect the rights of citizens and legal residents is anything remotely similar to commending what the state did to everybody’s civil liberties over the COVID years. I actually think those two stances are entirely inconsistent with each other.
Of course you don’t understand because you didn't resist the scamdemic in any meaningful fashion, so you didn't have to pay a price.
The anti-ICE leftists are doing exactly what they claim ICE is doing: Profiling people, harassing them, demanding that you identify yourself, etc.
Are you considering the veracity of those stories ? Oh, you saw it happen, right there in a video, reported by the local voice of the democrats media. Uh huh.
“Perceived” is the key word. I ran a query on perplexity…very few citizens have been caught up in ICE raids (unless they were aiding and abetting illegal immigrants), and no protestors have been harmed or killed…only agitators actively obstructing ICE investigations.
I think the big difference was Blue cities with large immigrant populations had courts and police who cooperated, allowing ICE to come get them at the court/jail. Now they force them to go get them and when ICE runs across other illegals are legal bound to deport.
I remember my first passes through some books like Atlas Shrugged, 1984 etc and thinking "ok, I get the danger of collectivism, but this is kinda over the top!"
Oh, what a sweet summer child I was.
When i read the
book “1984 “, I was in high school (1970) and the year 1984 seemed years away and i thought “this will never happen”. Now i laugh at what a naive child i was.😳.
This is the reason we need to let the Trump 2.0 administration work, keep up the support and the pressure on Congress. They aren't perfect and they're not magicians, but the progress in one year has truly been phenomenal. Everything seems to be interlocking and making more sense as actions and events unfold.
Sure, I'd love to see hundreds of perps in leg-irons today (or 10-12 months ago), and it's daunting to see how big and bad the crimes have been, for so long. Lockdown psychos and arson/assault mobs are top of my list. We all have our druthers.
Still, if there's even a chance of rolling up these foul schemes in a somewhat comprehensive way, laying them out clearly so brainwashed fools snap out of it, or at least get a glimmer of a good reason to pipe down for a decade or three, that would be better than premature arrests that don't ultimately lead very far up the food chain.
Focusing on local midterms is far more important than any other single issue, and I say that as someone unenthusiastic about local politics and very fixated on a few single issues. Until more EOs are enacted into law, however, and the Supremes reinforce: every bit of progress to-date, and any to come, across the country, is vulnerable to exactly what's happening in Virginia right now.
100%
Idk, I lack confidence any kind of a reckoning is incoming. I don’t believe that I am alone either. Some high level heads must roll. My advice to Trump is if you can’t get it done then swear in former veterans and people like me who will.
Failure to accomplish something significant over this will lead to a bloodbath in the midterms. So many are black pilled already. Time to stop fucking around or we will be in far worse shape after the crazies regain power. It’s time the left feels fear.
I'm starting a new band: Pam Bondi and the Crickets.
You're not wrong. I'm not seeing it either. It seems like they think if they offer up enough guilty "midwit" minions, the ringleaders will remain free, regroup, and continue.
The question always turns out to be, "Are there enough of us to do what needs to be done?"
There are. Once we turn out, there's no turning back.
Sanctuary cities and states do not honor or allow ICE detainers. The root of the problem created by Democrats forces public arrests. Then, distortion becomes a weapon for ideological advantage and propaganda.
Hey Obama got something right:
"Those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws" —President Obama
Why the man with the best information and highest security clearance on earth said this because:
Bloomberg: Headline: Venezuela's Violent Deaths Fall to 22-Year Low on Migration
Text: Venezuela's rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation's economic crisis. —Archived Source: https://archive.is/JOaY9
The problem — reaction — solution destruction of America via mass border crossings of people who deeply hate us because the government bombed mercilessly their countries into oblivian for a decade, brought to you by:
Ten Ways Billionaires Who Hate You Are Manipulating You Right Now by @thewisewolf
1) The first manipulation is the illusion of choice. You think you have two parties representing different visions for America but both parties are funded by the same billionaires, vote for the same surveillance bills, approve the same defense budgets, and serve the same corporate interests. The choice you are given is which color tie the puppet wears, not who controls the strings.
2) The second manipulation is emotional hijacking. The news does not inform you, it activates you. Every story is framed to trigger fear or anger or disgust because those emotions bypass your rational thinking and make you easier to control. You are not watching journalism. You are being subjected to psychological operations designed to keep you in a constant state of agitation.
3) The third manipulation is tribal sorting. The algorithm learns what makes you angry and feeds you more of it until your entire worldview is shaped by outrage at the other side. You are sorted into a tribe not because you chose it but because keeping you tribal keeps you predictable and profitable.
4) The fourth manipulation is false scarcity. You are told resources are limited and the other tribe is taking what belongs to you. Immigrants are stealing your jobs. Welfare recipients are draining your taxes. The other party is destroying your healthcare. Meanwhile the billionaire class has more wealth than any humans in history and could solve most of these problems tomorrow if they wanted to.
5) The fifth manipulation is memory holing. Stories that threaten powerful interests get buried or forgotten within days. Exposed crimes result in no consequences. Historical context that would help you understand the present is never taught. You are kept in a perpetual present with no past to learn from and no future to plan for.
6) The sixth manipulation is controlled opposition. The voices you think are fighting for you are often funded by the same interests they pretend to oppose. The outrage merchant on your side of the aisle is playing a character designed to keep you engaged and angry and tuned in while nothing ever actually changes.
7) The seventh manipulation is the Overton window. The range of acceptable opinion is artificially narrowed so that anything outside it seems extreme. Ideas that were mainstream fifty years ago are now treated as radical. Ideas that serve elite interests are treated as moderate common sense. You are not choosing your beliefs from the full range of human thought. You are choosing from a menu they wrote.
8) The eighth manipulation is learned helplessness. You are shown so many problems with no solutions that you eventually give up and accept that nothing can change. This is intentional. A population that believes resistance is futile does not resist. They scroll and complain and feel superior for understanding how bad things are while doing absolutely nothing about it.
9) The ninth manipulation is identity capture. Your political affiliation becomes your identity, and any attack on your party feels like an attack on you personally. This makes you defend politicians and policies that harm you because admitting they are wrong would mean admitting you were wrong, and your ego will not allow that.
10) The tenth manipulation is the most insidious of all: you are manipulated into believing you are too smart to be manipulated. Every person reading this thinks the manipulations I described apply to other people, the stupid people, the brainwashed people on the other side. That certainty is itself a manipulation. The moment you believe you are immune is the moment you become most vulnerable
"In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens."
Bill Clinton
I will add that to my references and share, thank you Ryan
Back in the 90s I never imagined that old horndog would sound sane 30 years later!
Lolol. At least one D male still has testosterone!
and 11: nearly everyone reading this is funding their detriment with their investment dollars, whether 401ks or any other instrument. take a look and see, including any unexamined index funds.
You got it yantra, this video dives into it: https://old.bitchute.com/video/ei6QD8ZPl6DU [45mins]
Say anything to fit the mold at that specific time. Liars con men thieves
Narcissistic sociopathic felony lunatics
Cluster B whine moms and of course, the ubiquitous AWFLs.
And the deep state RINOS.
Truth. While I'm sure the Republican mafia has a take in it, they have nowhere near the systemic structures and persistence of the Dems, especially when it comes to the education complex, the media, and the NGO grift machine. The best possible outcome would be a complete meltdown and exposure of the kickback schemes and wanton complicity of the dem/socialist cabal to displace the culture and rip the entire country apart - financially and morally. Hope to God the midterms become a shitshow of dem incompetence and MAGA show of force.
Anyone thinking we woudn't revert back to 2020 need only look at the agenda Spanberger just released for Virginia yesterday.
Tell me that isn’t one seriously fucked state. I wonder how long the Virginians will put up with that shit. But then again, it’s merely a suburb of dc now.
So much work went into creating this …..thank you gato
Why is it different this time? Why is the noise being amplified against Trump?
So that they can divide & conquer us once and for all. Don't fall for the left/ right trap.
it's because it threatens an organized crime syndicate.
Who is the organized crime syndicate, if not the technocratic elite that control Trump at the behest of Israel and private banking interests?
The Dems are the crime syndicate haven’t you been paying attention?
It’s amusing there are people left who thinks there will be individual accountability of politicians. But noise and outrage… that we always have in abundance.
So they can win the mid-terms and take back control.
From what I gather, when a liberal screams that Trump is Hitler, you then point out Obama deported more illegals, the Liberal then screams Trump is incompetent.
Do I have it right?
You have it exactly right.
drop the f'ing 101st airborne into minneapolis and take the city... I'm at that point... I don't care.
Agree it's not been subtle at all. So why in the hell are people thinking they can continue the subterfuge and a different response will occur? My neighbors are delusional about the truth or facts or blatant fraud. One is still decrying the demise of USAID... This is just ridiculous and I pray the tide turns to be a tsunami of epic proportions.
there are still way too many neighbors like yours. It is just .... retarded.
The more the left refuses to 1) acknowledge reality and 2) follow the will of the people the more angry the people will become.
This is another boys pretending to be girls raping girls in the girls bathroom issue. Deranged lunatics thought this was just fine (until it happened to their daughter) but the 90% of the rest of us were pissed. Luckily there was a political solution and that’s being implemented. When the political solution is off the table, only one thing remains.
And I suspect a lot of people are ready for business as usual.
Whether they can be motivated to act is another story.