Yup. They lined up to be injected with an unapproved, experimental concoction produced by the German affiliate of an American company that has been fined billions in criminal fines over the years. Truly bewildering. I imagine Mengele and Goebbels must be snickering over this in Hell.
When I heard the head of the ADL advocating for Jews to turn in their firearms, I know that "never forget" was an empty slogan. They've forgotten everything that has happened to unarmed Jews in the last 5000 years.
I regret that I don't have familiarity with Israeli culture. I was surprised to learn of their compliance regarding History's Deadliest Pandemic™ of The World's Deadliest Virus™, but then again other cultures I do know surprised me as well. The whole thing is mystifying.
Dumbfounded. But not surprised. We know for sure now nobody looks to history to learn anything about how humans should operate in the here and now. No lessons learned. Just bury the past. Literally.
Lest we forget. On Remembrance Day we appropriately pay homage and remember the lives lost in war. The rest of the year “lest we forget” is an ironic statement: we always forget. The lesson of history is we don’t learn from history. We learn from war, it is our Alma Mater, it instructs and confirms what is important; precious knowledge dearly paid for and, always, we vow not to forget and then of course we do. The further we get from our mother the more convoluted we become and then the ancient solution re-emerges.
I would think that anytime a group of people were rounded up and told to do something the Isrealis would be the first to raise their hand and go "Excuse me, what now?"
You'd think that, and in the past, it was so. But it seems, not any more.
Of course they're are still plenty of Israelis raising their hands and objecting, pointing out the lessons of history. You won't find them quoted in the popular media or welcomed into the Whitehouse.
Weary, yes. But reality is what reality is. Patterns repeat. "trust us to know what is best for you" never turns out well for the majority. It tends to turn out well for the few who get to decide what is best for the rest. It's not cynical, it's simply observation.
Why I consider most everyone so blind “on their own”. But I wish it didn’t include my own dear family who want to hear nothing from me about this. Only one I believe I’ve made any difference with is hubby. He had one JNJ and will get no more—including flu shots.
Yes, I have family too who continue to follow The Party faithfully without question. Although the recent spat of so-called liberals proclaiming why free speech is dangerous and "moderation" is essential had my 88 year old dad starting to ask questions.
Same here regarding family and advice thereof- only one of my cousins didn't give their children the shots, the rest trusted their government and the medical establishment (but I repeat)
It's OK, we will replace "papers" with electronic credentials automatically provided by your phone, or data in a centralized government data base pulled up automatically via facial recognition (this is real, kids).
Just saw this question and was coming to reply but you beat me to it 🙂 (haven’t been checking messages for a while, clearly, since this was two hours ago 🤪)
If I had been at the door of that museum I hope I would have said that my lack of vax card frankly means to you that I am a diseased and revolting sort of person. Then I may have pointed to the first word in the sign that means anything-holocaust—and ask were these victims not also considered diseased and revolting in some ways? What’s the difference? The holocaust started with such small indignities. As all tyrannical impositions do.
Ah but you see "you" are too childish and ignorant to know what's good for you. That's why you need the elites to decide. You can't be trusted!
It is for your own good.
Ok enough sarcasm. To be fair, at the onset of vaccine availability, a LOT of people did line up willingly. We believed that it could work. We had no information at the time regarding the real risks. Mandates didn't come until later - when it became clear the vaccine wasn't working as promised. Which reinforces your point is absolute truth: if it works and has good risk/benefit, people will not need to be forced to use it.
I didn’t know that much. I just waited to see what happened. I’d had CoV or something by then. I still knew about natural immunity. Never saw the need to vax AT ALL by then. I haven’t even had flu since 1998.
True. Socialists are always so doubtful of the efficiency of the free market, and instinctively trust the "helpful" government and always proclaim everything would be good if only government had MORE power.
And if it was a REAL pandemic it would have had a death rate more than <1%! I kept punching the numbers from the very beginning and scratching my head as the why the hysteria?!!!
Fair point. At first the rounding up of Jews and others was "for their protection" and then "for the greater good". The ovens were Hitler's administration's solution to overcrowding and poor conditions in the camps.
Create a problem exploiting fear. Solve the problem with extreme measures.
Nothing familiar in recent history to compare this to....nope nothing to see here, move on. The contract seems to have gone missing....
Yes, I've been amazed by how confused people (on the left especially at this point) get about time lines. They conflate years and discrete events together as one big blob instead of recognizing time progressed little by little as it does now and always will. Understanding how to look at a time line seemed like such a basic thing in school that I don't know how it became so hard to understand.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those that DO learn from history are doomed to watch the majority repeat it.
It wouldn't be so bad but they want to drag us under the bus with them. I mean sheesh, What did these people do? Skip or sleep through all your history classes? LOL.
They scripted out and focus group tested on over 4,000 people. Huge sample for that type of work. Triple the normal amount. Peer pressure and duty to others were big ones. "Community Interest + Guilt/Anger/Embarrassment" was what they called it.
"Persuasive messaging to increase COVID-19 vaccine uptake intentions"
Erin K. James; Scott E. Bokemper; Alan S. Gerber; Saad B. Omer; Gregory A. Huber
When we act like herd animals, we get treated like them.
No one forced the vaxx on anyone: everyone made the appointment and stood in line patiently. And almost everyone did so due to varying degrees of psycho-social pressures: peer pressure, work demands, guilt for others, etc.
Okay, 75% of us failed the Obedience Grooming Project. Fine.
How are we going to fair when we're told to brand 666 on our foreheads? Probably worse.
That's why I stopped reading. It's too frustrating to keep saying things like "equality of outcome does not work", "politicizing medicine is a bad idea", and "bureaucrats make bad mistakes"... Only to be "corrected" by a humanities "educated" Wojak who's absolutely certain it's going to work this time. It's easier to just be ignorant.
Yeah, but these people are ignorant of really important lessons from history. My OP was a bit black pilled... I will start reading again. It's just so hard to watch these idiots while enduring the endless abuse they feel entitled to heap on people who know better. "Anti-science"! "White Supremacist"! "Transphobe"! on and on...
Go online and search "side effects mRNA injections." Do ONE simple search.
It's what I did in late 2020. ALL the side effects, including death, were listed as potential side effects on the FDA website. Since scrubbed, of course.
You don't have to understand history. Just do some effing due diligence before you put something in your body.
And yes, I realize I'm talking to a wall, since the most militant non-GMO, organic foodies I know are all vaxxed and boosted.
"...most militant non-GMO, organic foodies I know are all vaxxed and boosted". I know, it's amazing. My vegan friends who won't buy anything without carefully reading the label and doing a thorough internet search about any ingredients they don't recognize, who drive waiters and waitresses crazy in restaurants asking for excruciating detail about the ingredients before ordering, were just jumping at the chance to get the experimental mystery potion injected into their bodies. I'm a vegan who can't manage the level of perfection of those guys in the grocery store, considered ridiculous (not to mention dangerous and bad) for thinking it might be a good idea to hold off until I know more about what's in it and how it affects people. Never mind that these things are tested on animals and God knows what animal products are in them.
I'm a whole foods plant based obnoxious proselytizer and I didn't go anywhere near that vax. Supposedly also in the "risk group" at 70. Hope this skews your sample!
I wasn’t talking so much about the jabs themselves as the “othering” of people who were skeptical about them and refused them.
But I agree, a little rational analysis and research instead of blindly trusting the government bureaucrats and the “experts”, would’ve gone a long way.
I suspect a lot of school learning is at a very superficial level. They probably learned enough to ace the tests, but never internalized the lesson enough to apply it to comparable situations years later.
That is why I always try to find the losers side of history. Harder to do because like you say "The winners write history" and always cover up their atrocities. "Inside the Third Reich", "Special Tasks" and "Bio Hazard" are a good start.
Keep in mind none are 100% accurate but it gives you a look into the mindset of the people. Every evil done in history made sense to the people doing it and going along with it. Very few said "NO" and refused to go along.
I wouldn't exactly say the Kulaks under Stalin were the victors. Nor would I say the intelligentsia under Pol Pot were the victors. You do realize books like "The Gulag Archipelago" were samizdat, right? "History is a story told by the victors" is just another platitude. Stuff happened. You can read from different perspectives to make sense out of what did happen, but writing it off with bumper sticker slogans is a great way to get a bunch of people killed. Edit: this dismissive attitude toward history is very foolish. How many people that thought the summer of 2020 was some sort of moral "victory" had no idea about Rittenhouse because they thought they, as victors, had the right to censor the raw video? This platitude is just another justification for the self righteous and ignorant to censor, ban, and dismiss reality when it is inconvenient.
I'm curious what side you think that is. How many college graduates could articulate a historically informed argument in favor of free speech, for example? Or a historically informed argument against communism?
The Jewish Community Centre here in BC Canada had vaccine passports for everything for probably half a year. To swim, to do the senior centre stuff, to work there, etc.
I wish I could have been there to remind them of the propaganda campaigns in early 1930s Germany, well before the concentration camps. The messaging was the equivalent of:
Jews are unclean carriers of disease.* Do not shop in their shops. Do not let your children play with their children.
When I recite those lines to my German and Jewish-American friends who tout the Safe and Effective™ injections, they get kinda quiet.
*Playing on contemporary fears of typhoid, if I remember correctly.
I believe the Israeli government is controlled by the WHO and WEF. Yes, they will do things for the jewish identity of the state, but when it comes to global issues, they are completely subservient to their global masters
Culpable Israelis need to feel abject shame, disgrace, and guilt BEFORE the State -- via the public's inevitable outcry about their own people being more or less slowly exterminated during the present humanicide -- has its day in court, prosecuting, convicting, and punishing the filthy, murderous criminals, as appropriate.
I hope so but I'm not holding my breath. Not that Bennett was any better but they just re-elected the scumbag Nutty just like Canadians re-elected Trudeau. It turns out you can fool most of the people most of the time.
Nor do recent Israeli PMs, or right-sided politicians alone, hold a monopoly on heinous duplicity and egregious, breathtakingly incredible corruptibility, no. Case in point, the incumbent State President and longtime Labor leader, Isaac Herzog, earlier this year presented to Albert Bourla, DMV, PhD, Pfizer's CEO and Adolph Eichmann's avatar and legacy extender/exceeder, the "Jewish Nobel": Israel's Genesis Prize, valued at $1 million.
After receiving his award "for his leadership in delivering the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine," so speedily to Israel's millions of abiding, needy, and now substantially saved vaccinees, Bourla (macabrely and grotesquely -- his parents and older siblings barely escaped the murderous horrors committed by the occupying Nazis in Greece during WW II) "directed the $1 million prize to Holocaust education and the Holocaust Museum of Greece to be built in Thessaloniki," his native town.
A philanthropist at heart, and of a sort, to be sure.
It's enough to make not only Eichmann's spirit, but that of all the attendees at the 1942 Wannsee Conference -- held to obtain the (legally enacted, but most unlawfully comprised) buy-in and ownership among those in attendance, necessary to begin implementation of The Third Reich's Final Solution to "the Jewish question," laid out passionately and determinedly by Adolph Hitler: the ultimate annihilation and sure riddance of Germany's, and later, all of Europe's Jewish population -- blush in Hell.
What a day of reckoning awaits the guilty, not only in Israel, "the [foretold] light unto the nations," but globally, wherever the guilty directed, and against whomever their most wicked, greedy acts murderously befell their countrymen, women, and children.
we simulate that all the time...for many reasons. If an educator is not doing this in HS history/SS class- well we have a LOT of "teachers" in classrooms that shouldn't be...
I'm also a prisoner of Illinois, people here are nuts! They just keep voting for high taxes, high crime, shitty schools etc. I moved to Tennessee in 2008 ,but came back because of my kids and grandkids. Hopefully I live long enough to move back Tennessee or Florida.
The police are just doing what the political masters tell them to do. And we're the ones electing the political masters. Maybe it's OUR problem more than we'd like to admit.
as they should .. pronouns are far more important than toxic medical interventions .. especially the pronouns that lead to toxic (hormonal) medical interventions ...
the world should be focusing on memorizing the specific pronouns to every gender, as listed by this theater company (who are quite adamant about vaccine, and soon booster, requirements) -
I can't wait to use the same excuses with the IRS on my taxes. Redact my income data, lose key forms, and refuse to disclose who signed the actual tax return. What could go wrong?
In a country/culture where some believe they are "the chosen" or the modern version "the master race" I am amazed. 90% of the adults took the first 2, 80% the third and 50% the fourth. Not very "masterful" there folks LMAO. To me that says "You ain't nothing special". You're the same as the rest of humanity.
Those 10% can question authority and have a spine. You can't coerce, cajole or curse them into a series of experimental gene therapy injections for a disease with an IFR of 0.3% regardless of how much you put the screws to them. They will not yield.
The truly funny part is that 10% of Israelis have more in common with 25% of Austrians, 14% of Canadians and 33% of Americans than they do with the 90% of their country who fell for it. You 10% I salute! Welcome aboard the good ship reality.
You are correct on that. It's been around a long time and ends in decimation for the master race every time yet humans keep trying it because "This time it's different" LOL. Go through history and looking at groups that thought "By luck of birth into this group I'm better than everyone else and my life is worth more". They all get decimated. Round and round we go.
That fuzzy hairdo physicist "Crazy Hair Albert" said something about doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
If you have any other data I'd love to see it. As corrupted as the data is it still is all we got until we pry it out of their cold lifeless grip through the courts. Since May of 2020 I've been convinced that the only stat I can hang my hat on is all cause mortality (ACM). It's the hardest one for them to "adjust/fix" and is counted the same everywhere.
So if you look at the V-Safe data that Aaron Siri (https://aaronsiri.substack.com/) just got released there is a 7.7% serious adverse event rate. Combine that with the ACM data for Israel being up 8-15% depending on which dataset you use. That would lend itself to the point of view that the vast majority of Israelis really did take it.
Our "canary in the coalmine" is as dead as the parrot in the Monty Python skit.
Sadly the Rabbinical court only carries weight in the orthodox community which is 22% of Israelis and 10% in the NE USA. I remember seeing Zelenko testifying before the Tel Aviv RC via Zoom. He called Netanyahu a "Mengele" LOL. Loved it. I miss Zev.
The rest, and even some of the orthodox community, took the shots so they count as victims due to their inability to question authority.
Yea, six weeks, or less, into this Gong Show he had a 80% effective early treatment protocol then they banned it based on the fraudulent Surgisphere "peer reviewed FRAUD" paper. Even when retracted they didn't reverse the ban. Later applied to Ivermectin and every other early treatment because if they ever admitted there was an effective early treatment they couldn't give EUA to their precious "vaccine" and they were not about to leave a trillion dollars on the table.
Not really. All they need to do is reduce life expectancy by a couple of decades and all their financial entitlement problems go away. We've already dropped about 2 years of life expectancy since the injections rolled out.
Watch the ACM and LE numbers. Use 2015-2019 as the 5 year baseline to compare it against.
This is a sad road to go down. I ran across a twitter post where an MD was being condescending and sarcastic when people use VAERS data as proof that the vaccine is not safe and effective. He appears to view all arguments in terms of "gotchas" We don't consider proof that a vaccine is unsafe and ineffective as a "gotcha" but rather "see, here is someone's life that is ruined or who has died...how can you turn a blind eye to this?"
The point being is that this guy asserts that abuse and use of the VAERS system by "anti-vaxxers" is the culprit and that according to him all VAERS data is suspect and that the vaccine is safe and effective. The problem is that we probably all know people who have had VAERS side effects in real life, and people we have talked to online. I doubt he makes the same analysis of reporting Covid cases by hospitals that get funding based on each Covid case they receive., or would think there would be any conflict of interest concerning a governing body making determinations concerning a vaccine who are also funded and supported by those same vaccine companies.
The data is flawed, as it is reported by people who have agendas and motivations for doing so that are biased. But other than data, and observation, what do we have to rely on?
I wonder what his excuses would be for the V-Safe data? The CDC's own app that tracked adverse events that had 10 million people sign up for it. Nice sample size and they were ALL eager beaver, keener, early adopters for the vax as 9 million signed up from Dec 2020 to April 2021.
I saw that information. 800,000 cases conveniently lost. And the continuing reports of doctors who were silenced and told they could not speak out about vaccine injuries. And yet some people still mistakenly believe injuries are being "over-reported."
He's a conspiracy theorist, that MD, the actual kind of conspiracy theorist that believes in crazy stuff.
Because when you believe ordinary people with nothing to gain have all decided to conspire to make fake injury reports, but yet you think the powerful people who had billions to gain and plenty to hide would never conspire, you've got a warped view of human nature;) That deluded guy needs to be called out for what he is.
I do get your point, I think what (forgive me if I wrong) you mean is that there is not some nefarious agenda behind those that are against taking the mRNA vaccine. To the other side, I think they believe that the source of our objection is bigoted ignorance.
Heck, a couple years ago, after showing someone links and graphs as evidence as why masking was ineffective, I was called a racist. There was no supporting details as to WHY I was a racist, but that was there observation.
I think wokism and the cult of coronavirus is connected as they are doing/holding some of these beliefs and acting in this fashion for a marginalized group. In the case of Covid it is for the elderly, and children (I know...chances of kids dying from Covid is .0003%)
So they would say in the case of Covid, those of us against vaccination are somehow finding ways to kill marginalized people, whether it is the elderly, children, minorities, women.
I had another person online move the debate from masking as ineffective, but instead wanted to talk about how red states did worse than blue states in regards to Covid because of how well they obeyed mitigation adherence strategies. Again, the connection here is vaccine-masks-enlightened-progressives versus bare faced, plague-spreading neanderthal conservatives.
My response of course was that regardless of numbers, the strategies not only didn't work, but were never going to work unless you were willing to round up and vaccinate all the cats of the world.
We are living in an interesting world right now. I imagine the same person who said that the VAERS reports lacked integrity is the same person who would assert election results had no fraud or foul play associated with them. If I said the election should be completely thrown out due to minor ballot harvesting malfeasance I would probably be deemed an insurrectionist. And yet, if I say "throw out all VAERS data" I am considered an enlightened progressive rational individual. The narrative again, only flows in one direction.
I listened to an interview Jordan Peterson with with Netanyahu. It was just interesting until the end, and then it got fascinating. People in this space might want to go check it out. He declares that he got Israel out of the pandemic first by calling his friend, Albert Bourla, and letting him use his people as a lab. And declared it a scientific success, and has bigger plans in the future for biotech surveillance and engineering, as if that’s just where we’re going and Israel is leading the way. He acted like this was an accomplishment to be proud of, with zero acknowledgement of the failure and massive violation it was to his own people. I mean, really. How?
Big Pharma and Big Government are two sides of the same fascist coin. Heads, they win, tails, they win, digital money, we lose big time. I wonder if the World of Rome was as corrupt as ours is, just before it collapsed?
Very interesting and at this point not surprising. A few weeks ago Dr. McCullough had a guest on his podcast who said the US DoD was behind the mass vaccination campaign and Pfizer and Moderna were fronts for them. Would certainly explain a lot, but Pfizer is capable of doing this on their own with their history.
I hope you’re right about the low energy path bad cat. My concern is that there are so many people that took the vaccines, they really don’t want to know the truth, which is essentially admitting they were duped. It amazes me (in the US) how many friends/acquaintances took them, many of whom questioned the lockdowns, masking, restrictions in general. Yet they still believed the government that they should take the jab(s). Mind-boggling
Fear gets a powerful hold. The fear of covid was well-played by the government/big pharma. Now too many are going to be afraid to find out what they have done to themselves.
The Israelis should know better. Illinois holocaust museum proudly enforced vaccine passports. Never again!
Yup. They lined up to be injected with an unapproved, experimental concoction produced by the German affiliate of an American company that has been fined billions in criminal fines over the years. Truly bewildering. I imagine Mengele and Goebbels must be snickering over this in Hell.
When I heard the head of the ADL advocating for Jews to turn in their firearms, I know that "never forget" was an empty slogan. They've forgotten everything that has happened to unarmed Jews in the last 5000 years.
I regret that I don't have familiarity with Israeli culture. I was surprised to learn of their compliance regarding History's Deadliest Pandemic™ of The World's Deadliest Virus™, but then again other cultures I do know surprised me as well. The whole thing is mystifying.
Dumbfounded. But not surprised. We know for sure now nobody looks to history to learn anything about how humans should operate in the here and now. No lessons learned. Just bury the past. Literally.
Lest we forget. On Remembrance Day we appropriately pay homage and remember the lives lost in war. The rest of the year “lest we forget” is an ironic statement: we always forget. The lesson of history is we don’t learn from history. We learn from war, it is our Alma Mater, it instructs and confirms what is important; precious knowledge dearly paid for and, always, we vow not to forget and then of course we do. The further we get from our mother the more convoluted we become and then the ancient solution re-emerges.
This is unfortunate.
"The lesson of history is we don’t learn from history." Human nature summed up in one brief sentence. Kudos DB.
Thank you, but maybe it is just weary cynicism.
I would think that anytime a group of people were rounded up and told to do something the Isrealis would be the first to raise their hand and go "Excuse me, what now?"
You'd think that, and in the past, it was so. But it seems, not any more.
Of course they're are still plenty of Israelis raising their hands and objecting, pointing out the lessons of history. You won't find them quoted in the popular media or welcomed into the Whitehouse.
I would call it well placed, reality based, observational cynicism.
I often say, I wasn't born a cynic, just an observer.
Weary, yes. But reality is what reality is. Patterns repeat. "trust us to know what is best for you" never turns out well for the majority. It tends to turn out well for the few who get to decide what is best for the rest. It's not cynical, it's simply observation.
Sadly
Worse than that, anyone who attempted to make comparisons was shouted down with cries of antisemitism and “how dare you compare”!! 😡🙄
Why I consider most everyone so blind “on their own”. But I wish it didn’t include my own dear family who want to hear nothing from me about this. Only one I believe I’ve made any difference with is hubby. He had one JNJ and will get no more—including flu shots.
Yes, I have family too who continue to follow The Party faithfully without question. Although the recent spat of so-called liberals proclaiming why free speech is dangerous and "moderation" is essential had my 88 year old dad starting to ask questions.
Same here regarding family and advice thereof- only one of my cousins didn't give their children the shots, the rest trusted their government and the medical establishment (but I repeat)
You know the whole "Your papers!" thing? Part of that was based on your health card. To show you were not diseased. Let that sink in. Edit: https://search.brave.com/images?q=nazi%20health%20pass&source=web
It's OK, we will replace "papers" with electronic credentials automatically provided by your phone, or data in a centralized government data base pulled up automatically via facial recognition (this is real, kids).
So no more "papers" required...feel better?
I didn't think so.
Or a chip ("uncrackable" of course) inplanted- much more convenient!
If you're "kosher" they'll just wave you through!
Those "religious exemptions" won't be available. The greater good and all that.
This is a health pass from those search results: https://www.rjmilitaria.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/afhd2_lrg.jpg
I can't read that elaborate German script. Anybody know what it says in the last two lines at the bottom?
The holder of this passport must carry it at all times; give it to the doctor when you are sick.
Just saw this question and was coming to reply but you beat me to it 🙂 (haven’t been checking messages for a while, clearly, since this was two hours ago 🤪)
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Yup. Exactly.
We should be attention to anytime we were shouted at...you know like "You can't compare this to the flu" etc.
Yes I completely agree on that, it’s a red flag.
And they're burying the present, more and more now.
Biden was off by a year and vax status with his "winter of severe illness and death" threats.
Human kind will always succumb to the darkest parts of our nature. History repeating itself, not learning from mistakes.
If I had been at the door of that museum I hope I would have said that my lack of vax card frankly means to you that I am a diseased and revolting sort of person. Then I may have pointed to the first word in the sign that means anything-holocaust—and ask were these victims not also considered diseased and revolting in some ways? What’s the difference? The holocaust started with such small indignities. As all tyrannical impositions do.
The holocaust was not the gas chambers. That was all the way at the end. It went on for years before any of that. And, once again, people forget.
Just the whole idea of rounding people up...of coercing them to do anything, this is a red flag.
If it was a real pandemic, there would not need to be endless radio/tv ads telling you to get your vaxx. You would get it without coercion.
Ah but you see "you" are too childish and ignorant to know what's good for you. That's why you need the elites to decide. You can't be trusted!
It is for your own good.
Ok enough sarcasm. To be fair, at the onset of vaccine availability, a LOT of people did line up willingly. We believed that it could work. We had no information at the time regarding the real risks. Mandates didn't come until later - when it became clear the vaccine wasn't working as promised. Which reinforces your point is absolute truth: if it works and has good risk/benefit, people will not need to be forced to use it.
I didn’t know that much. I just waited to see what happened. I’d had CoV or something by then. I still knew about natural immunity. Never saw the need to vax AT ALL by then. I haven’t even had flu since 1998.
True. Socialists are always so doubtful of the efficiency of the free market, and instinctively trust the "helpful" government and always proclaim everything would be good if only government had MORE power.
And if it was a REAL pandemic it would have had a death rate more than <1%! I kept punching the numbers from the very beginning and scratching my head as the why the hysteria?!!!
Fair point. At first the rounding up of Jews and others was "for their protection" and then "for the greater good". The ovens were Hitler's administration's solution to overcrowding and poor conditions in the camps.
Create a problem exploiting fear. Solve the problem with extreme measures.
Nothing familiar in recent history to compare this to....nope nothing to see here, move on. The contract seems to have gone missing....
Oh but they would have looked at you horrified and said “it’s not the same!! How dare you compare!!”
Gotta try.
*squints in Vera Sharav*
https://www.thetrumantribune.com/articles/holocaust-survivor-warns-covid-19-measures-similar-to-nazi-germanys-subjugation-policies/
She was one of the few. Many others decried the comparison.
One example:
https://www.dhhrm.org/public-statements/statement-on-comparisons-of-covid-19-regulations-to-hitler-and-nazis/
And there are many more.
So defensive aren’t they. The refuge of those who know better.
Yeah, "feelers", probes or "trial balloons". We've had lots and lots lately.
Fear and disease and tyranny, oh my!
https://search.brave.com/images?q=nazi%20health%20pass&source=web
Yes, I've been amazed by how confused people (on the left especially at this point) get about time lines. They conflate years and discrete events together as one big blob instead of recognizing time progressed little by little as it does now and always will. Understanding how to look at a time line seemed like such a basic thing in school that I don't know how it became so hard to understand.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those that DO learn from history are doomed to watch the majority repeat it.
It wouldn't be so bad but they want to drag us under the bus with them. I mean sheesh, What did these people do? Skip or sleep through all your history classes? LOL.
Bezmenov has it right...its been decades long conditioning.
My genius,compassionate son..who loves history! Took J&J. I'm at a loss.
Also noted: apparently the gene for " I suspect those gubmint bastards! Revenewers,beware!" Isn't a dominant gene I could pass down...
My b-I-l same. Now dismisses like it was no big deal. Peer pressure imo became a powerful force and spread within households quicker than c-o-v-I-d.
They scripted out and focus group tested on over 4,000 people. Huge sample for that type of work. Triple the normal amount. Peer pressure and duty to others were big ones. "Community Interest + Guilt/Anger/Embarrassment" was what they called it.
"Persuasive messaging to increase COVID-19 vaccine uptake intentions"
Erin K. James; Scott E. Bokemper; Alan S. Gerber; Saad B. Omer; Gregory A. Huber
2. “It would have been so much worse if she wasn’t vaccinated.”
Good cite. We're herd animals, mostly 🙄
When we act like herd animals, we get treated like them.
No one forced the vaxx on anyone: everyone made the appointment and stood in line patiently. And almost everyone did so due to varying degrees of psycho-social pressures: peer pressure, work demands, guilt for others, etc.
Okay, 75% of us failed the Obedience Grooming Project. Fine.
How are we going to fair when we're told to brand 666 on our foreheads? Probably worse.
Son married to a SJW. Pressure!
Yup. My parents will take no more, and friends in their 80’s community saying same thing. One man saying he wishes he listened to his daughter.
This is so good to hear. Unfortunately, not nearly enough of it in my neck of the woods (NYC).
Bingo
Maybe it’s just latent. I could kick in.
He's only 26... I forget he's still in " the Hubris years" ...thanks for the encouragement!!
That's why I stopped reading. It's too frustrating to keep saying things like "equality of outcome does not work", "politicizing medicine is a bad idea", and "bureaucrats make bad mistakes"... Only to be "corrected" by a humanities "educated" Wojak who's absolutely certain it's going to work this time. It's easier to just be ignorant.
Everyone is ignorant of something or other...but I refuse to let their incapacities for logic by my excuse.
Yeah, but these people are ignorant of really important lessons from history. My OP was a bit black pilled... I will start reading again. It's just so hard to watch these idiots while enduring the endless abuse they feel entitled to heap on people who know better. "Anti-science"! "White Supremacist"! "Transphobe"! on and on...
Once again, I am a Pizza Supremecist™ I believe in the inclusion of all items on my pizza.
Yes! You are making sense of my internal confusion.
I'm a simpleton. It helps me survive.
Truth is not complicated.
If they didn’t skip the classes or sleep through them, they simply think “oh that would never happen to us, we’re better than that.” 🙄
It's not even that hard.
"mRNA is a new technology."
Go online and search "side effects mRNA injections." Do ONE simple search.
It's what I did in late 2020. ALL the side effects, including death, were listed as potential side effects on the FDA website. Since scrubbed, of course.
You don't have to understand history. Just do some effing due diligence before you put something in your body.
And yes, I realize I'm talking to a wall, since the most militant non-GMO, organic foodies I know are all vaxxed and boosted.
"...most militant non-GMO, organic foodies I know are all vaxxed and boosted". I know, it's amazing. My vegan friends who won't buy anything without carefully reading the label and doing a thorough internet search about any ingredients they don't recognize, who drive waiters and waitresses crazy in restaurants asking for excruciating detail about the ingredients before ordering, were just jumping at the chance to get the experimental mystery potion injected into their bodies. I'm a vegan who can't manage the level of perfection of those guys in the grocery store, considered ridiculous (not to mention dangerous and bad) for thinking it might be a good idea to hold off until I know more about what's in it and how it affects people. Never mind that these things are tested on animals and God knows what animal products are in them.
I'm a whole foods plant based obnoxious proselytizer and I didn't go anywhere near that vax. Supposedly also in the "risk group" at 70. Hope this skews your sample!
Are you an outlier,or do you know of many like you? Just curious!
I wasn’t talking so much about the jabs themselves as the “othering” of people who were skeptical about them and refused them.
But I agree, a little rational analysis and research instead of blindly trusting the government bureaucrats and the “experts”, would’ve gone a long way.
I suspect a lot of school learning is at a very superficial level. They probably learned enough to ace the tests, but never internalized the lesson enough to apply it to comparable situations years later.
And what about the people who finally figure out history is a story told by the victors. Then what?
That is why I always try to find the losers side of history. Harder to do because like you say "The winners write history" and always cover up their atrocities. "Inside the Third Reich", "Special Tasks" and "Bio Hazard" are a good start.
Keep in mind none are 100% accurate but it gives you a look into the mindset of the people. Every evil done in history made sense to the people doing it and going along with it. Very few said "NO" and refused to go along.
I wouldn't exactly say the Kulaks under Stalin were the victors. Nor would I say the intelligentsia under Pol Pot were the victors. You do realize books like "The Gulag Archipelago" were samizdat, right? "History is a story told by the victors" is just another platitude. Stuff happened. You can read from different perspectives to make sense out of what did happen, but writing it off with bumper sticker slogans is a great way to get a bunch of people killed. Edit: this dismissive attitude toward history is very foolish. How many people that thought the summer of 2020 was some sort of moral "victory" had no idea about Rittenhouse because they thought they, as victors, had the right to censor the raw video? This platitude is just another justification for the self righteous and ignorant to censor, ban, and dismiss reality when it is inconvenient.
Of course it is a platitude. But Americans (in general) are given one side to every story.
I'm curious what side you think that is. How many college graduates could articulate a historically informed argument in favor of free speech, for example? Or a historically informed argument against communism?
I agree.
Same thing happened, of all places, in the Munich Documentation Center for the History of National Socialism. Among other similarly inadequate places.
Never again...unless we're in on it...
The Jewish Community Centre here in BC Canada had vaccine passports for everything for probably half a year. To swim, to do the senior centre stuff, to work there, etc.
I wish I could have been there to remind them of the propaganda campaigns in early 1930s Germany, well before the concentration camps. The messaging was the equivalent of:
Jews are unclean carriers of disease.* Do not shop in their shops. Do not let your children play with their children.
When I recite those lines to my German and Jewish-American friends who tout the Safe and Effective™ injections, they get kinda quiet.
*Playing on contemporary fears of typhoid, if I remember correctly.
I believe the Israeli government is controlled by the WHO and WEF. Yes, they will do things for the jewish identity of the state, but when it comes to global issues, they are completely subservient to their global masters
Ditto; you said it, Ach!
Culpable Israelis need to feel abject shame, disgrace, and guilt BEFORE the State -- via the public's inevitable outcry about their own people being more or less slowly exterminated during the present humanicide -- has its day in court, prosecuting, convicting, and punishing the filthy, murderous criminals, as appropriate.
I hope so but I'm not holding my breath. Not that Bennett was any better but they just re-elected the scumbag Nutty just like Canadians re-elected Trudeau. It turns out you can fool most of the people most of the time.
Indeed.
Nor do recent Israeli PMs, or right-sided politicians alone, hold a monopoly on heinous duplicity and egregious, breathtakingly incredible corruptibility, no. Case in point, the incumbent State President and longtime Labor leader, Isaac Herzog, earlier this year presented to Albert Bourla, DMV, PhD, Pfizer's CEO and Adolph Eichmann's avatar and legacy extender/exceeder, the "Jewish Nobel": Israel's Genesis Prize, valued at $1 million.
After receiving his award "for his leadership in delivering the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine," so speedily to Israel's millions of abiding, needy, and now substantially saved vaccinees, Bourla (macabrely and grotesquely -- his parents and older siblings barely escaped the murderous horrors committed by the occupying Nazis in Greece during WW II) "directed the $1 million prize to Holocaust education and the Holocaust Museum of Greece to be built in Thessaloniki," his native town.
A philanthropist at heart, and of a sort, to be sure.
It's enough to make not only Eichmann's spirit, but that of all the attendees at the 1942 Wannsee Conference -- held to obtain the (legally enacted, but most unlawfully comprised) buy-in and ownership among those in attendance, necessary to begin implementation of The Third Reich's Final Solution to "the Jewish question," laid out passionately and determinedly by Adolph Hitler: the ultimate annihilation and sure riddance of Germany's, and later, all of Europe's Jewish population -- blush in Hell.
What a day of reckoning awaits the guilty, not only in Israel, "the [foretold] light unto the nations," but globally, wherever the guilty directed, and against whomever their most wicked, greedy acts murderously befell their countrymen, women, and children.
It should make you question what you believe to be true…
I read that. I couldn’t believe it!
Someone commented elsewhere that when asked to show vax cards or put on masks they told them “I won’t wear a yellow star for anyone”.
Unfortunately Janet, we're at a point in time where most won't understand the yellow star reference.
Perhaps. Maybe they’ll look it up then. They have the ability to find out at the same place as their v”passport”.
Wonder what the Jewish people in a gentile classroom would make of the practice of teachers handing out "gold stars" for excellent work.
Heh. I think those "gold stars" have only five points. Different symbolism entirely.
I agree with you, but it was something that just kinda hit me. As a kid, I loved getting gold stars, even as I rarely got them.
we simulate that all the time...for many reasons. If an educator is not doing this in HS history/SS class- well we have a LOT of "teachers" in classrooms that shouldn't be...
Illinois also has another Governor, who broke all his own covid rules. But he got away with it.
I should know. PrickSter is my gov. He also pulled toilets out of his Chicago mansion so it would be taxed for having less bathrooms.
I'm also a prisoner of Illinois, people here are nuts! They just keep voting for high taxes, high crime, shitty schools etc. I moved to Tennessee in 2008 ,but came back because of my kids and grandkids. Hopefully I live long enough to move back Tennessee or Florida.
😂😂😂😂because the guy is so poor right?
Not enough billions I guess. He blamed the toilet scam on his wife.
meanwhile police are on the lookout for someone who mis gendered a mentally ill person
The police are just doing what the political masters tell them to do. And we're the ones electing the political masters. Maybe it's OUR problem more than we'd like to admit.
Ahh, i was just following orders sir! the police are supposed to uphold the law and obeying politicians is not their job
there is no one to vote for in almost every western country, they are all tainted and corruptible
Just following orders is no excuse...
Are we electing them? Or is voting rigged to go a certain way?
There have been election issues for decades in certain US cities. Why assume every election in every city is fair when many might not be?
as they should .. pronouns are far more important than toxic medical interventions .. especially the pronouns that lead to toxic (hormonal) medical interventions ...
the world should be focusing on memorizing the specific pronouns to every gender, as listed by this theater company (who are quite adamant about vaccine, and soon booster, requirements) -
https://outfronttheatre.com/terms-to-know/
They should be demanding 1,700% percent more studies of how the shots affect each gender. Only doing studies for males and females is so bigoted.
holy pfuck, thats a big list!
'We at Out Front Theatre Company continuously strive to be more inclusive and accepting', unless you dont have all your jabs then you can pfuck off
I can't wait to use the same excuses with the IRS on my taxes. Redact my income data, lose key forms, and refuse to disclose who signed the actual tax return. What could go wrong?
Keep us posted : )
It's yellow. It has a pungent odor. But the government and media assure me that it is rain.
hey, have you been eating asparagus?
Based on the tint, I worry that TPTB might be severely dehydrated...
I thought I would never say this, but we are getting more information than we need here.
It's getting weird now. Lol!
Ha! Good one!
In a country/culture where some believe they are "the chosen" or the modern version "the master race" I am amazed. 90% of the adults took the first 2, 80% the third and 50% the fourth. Not very "masterful" there folks LMAO. To me that says "You ain't nothing special". You're the same as the rest of humanity.
Those 10% can question authority and have a spine. You can't coerce, cajole or curse them into a series of experimental gene therapy injections for a disease with an IFR of 0.3% regardless of how much you put the screws to them. They will not yield.
The truly funny part is that 10% of Israelis have more in common with 25% of Austrians, 14% of Canadians and 33% of Americans than they do with the 90% of their country who fell for it. You 10% I salute! Welcome aboard the good ship reality.
Pretty sure the idea of a chosen race is neither unique to jews or german "aryans", nor newer than at least the time of Abraham, or even older.
You are correct on that. It's been around a long time and ends in decimation for the master race every time yet humans keep trying it because "This time it's different" LOL. Go through history and looking at groups that thought "By luck of birth into this group I'm better than everyone else and my life is worth more". They all get decimated. Round and round we go.
That fuzzy hairdo physicist "Crazy Hair Albert" said something about doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
I love all the languages where the word a group uses for itself translates to "the people" or equivalent, meaning, of course, that everyone else is...
they cant tell the truth
If you have any other data I'd love to see it. As corrupted as the data is it still is all we got until we pry it out of their cold lifeless grip through the courts. Since May of 2020 I've been convinced that the only stat I can hang my hat on is all cause mortality (ACM). It's the hardest one for them to "adjust/fix" and is counted the same everywhere.
So if you look at the V-Safe data that Aaron Siri (https://aaronsiri.substack.com/) just got released there is a 7.7% serious adverse event rate. Combine that with the ACM data for Israel being up 8-15% depending on which dataset you use. That would lend itself to the point of view that the vast majority of Israelis really did take it.
Our "canary in the coalmine" is as dead as the parrot in the Monty Python skit.
https://i.postimg.cc/sg75NLVt/Israel-2017-2022.png
courts ruled against covid vaccines.
Sadly the Rabbinical court only carries weight in the orthodox community which is 22% of Israelis and 10% in the NE USA. I remember seeing Zelenko testifying before the Tel Aviv RC via Zoom. He called Netanyahu a "Mengele" LOL. Loved it. I miss Zev.
Zelenko was a giant in the freedom movement.
... the rest of the world caught up at some extent a year or more later.
The rest, and even some of the orthodox community, took the shots so they count as victims due to their inability to question authority.
Yea, six weeks, or less, into this Gong Show he had a 80% effective early treatment protocol then they banned it based on the fraudulent Surgisphere "peer reviewed FRAUD" paper. Even when retracted they didn't reverse the ban. Later applied to Ivermectin and every other early treatment because if they ever admitted there was an effective early treatment they couldn't give EUA to their precious "vaccine" and they were not about to leave a trillion dollars on the table.
If ACM is up 10 percent, and live births are down 10 percent, how long till we are down to 1 billion?
A very long time. Which indicates to me that they are planning to implement an ”ultimate solution.”
Not really. All they need to do is reduce life expectancy by a couple of decades and all their financial entitlement problems go away. We've already dropped about 2 years of life expectancy since the injections rolled out.
Watch the ACM and LE numbers. Use 2015-2019 as the 5 year baseline to compare it against.
This is a sad road to go down. I ran across a twitter post where an MD was being condescending and sarcastic when people use VAERS data as proof that the vaccine is not safe and effective. He appears to view all arguments in terms of "gotchas" We don't consider proof that a vaccine is unsafe and ineffective as a "gotcha" but rather "see, here is someone's life that is ruined or who has died...how can you turn a blind eye to this?"
The point being is that this guy asserts that abuse and use of the VAERS system by "anti-vaxxers" is the culprit and that according to him all VAERS data is suspect and that the vaccine is safe and effective. The problem is that we probably all know people who have had VAERS side effects in real life, and people we have talked to online. I doubt he makes the same analysis of reporting Covid cases by hospitals that get funding based on each Covid case they receive., or would think there would be any conflict of interest concerning a governing body making determinations concerning a vaccine who are also funded and supported by those same vaccine companies.
The data is flawed, as it is reported by people who have agendas and motivations for doing so that are biased. But other than data, and observation, what do we have to rely on?
I wonder what his excuses would be for the V-Safe data? The CDC's own app that tracked adverse events that had 10 million people sign up for it. Nice sample size and they were ALL eager beaver, keener, early adopters for the vax as 9 million signed up from Dec 2020 to April 2021.
I saw that information. 800,000 cases conveniently lost. And the continuing reports of doctors who were silenced and told they could not speak out about vaccine injuries. And yet some people still mistakenly believe injuries are being "over-reported."
He's a conspiracy theorist, that MD, the actual kind of conspiracy theorist that believes in crazy stuff.
Because when you believe ordinary people with nothing to gain have all decided to conspire to make fake injury reports, but yet you think the powerful people who had billions to gain and plenty to hide would never conspire, you've got a warped view of human nature;) That deluded guy needs to be called out for what he is.
I do get your point, I think what (forgive me if I wrong) you mean is that there is not some nefarious agenda behind those that are against taking the mRNA vaccine. To the other side, I think they believe that the source of our objection is bigoted ignorance.
Heck, a couple years ago, after showing someone links and graphs as evidence as why masking was ineffective, I was called a racist. There was no supporting details as to WHY I was a racist, but that was there observation.
I think wokism and the cult of coronavirus is connected as they are doing/holding some of these beliefs and acting in this fashion for a marginalized group. In the case of Covid it is for the elderly, and children (I know...chances of kids dying from Covid is .0003%)
So they would say in the case of Covid, those of us against vaccination are somehow finding ways to kill marginalized people, whether it is the elderly, children, minorities, women.
I had another person online move the debate from masking as ineffective, but instead wanted to talk about how red states did worse than blue states in regards to Covid because of how well they obeyed mitigation adherence strategies. Again, the connection here is vaccine-masks-enlightened-progressives versus bare faced, plague-spreading neanderthal conservatives.
My response of course was that regardless of numbers, the strategies not only didn't work, but were never going to work unless you were willing to round up and vaccinate all the cats of the world.
We are living in an interesting world right now. I imagine the same person who said that the VAERS reports lacked integrity is the same person who would assert election results had no fraud or foul play associated with them. If I said the election should be completely thrown out due to minor ballot harvesting malfeasance I would probably be deemed an insurrectionist. And yet, if I say "throw out all VAERS data" I am considered an enlightened progressive rational individual. The narrative again, only flows in one direction.
This is government malfeasance. What are citizens going to do about this?
Ask the J6 detainees...
Pretty soon we'll be able to ask them in person.
We're going to vote Republican -- throwing the bum Dems out on their ass!
Then, everything will continue going exactly the way it is beforehand. See how the game is played?
Anyone in the private sector who is negligent gets sued. There needs to be an ability for redress and not just getting fired.
The NSA vacuums up all this stuff. If the contract was sent electronically, the US government has it.
Remember, you are only a prisoner of your government if you let them jail you.
Of course they have it and they hold all the politicians by the balls with material highly potential to blackmail/control anyone.
Oh come on, Adam Schiff in a dress is a daily occurrence. Allegedly
He'd look even more crazy in a dress than he does in a suit. Ugh!
I listened to an interview Jordan Peterson with with Netanyahu. It was just interesting until the end, and then it got fascinating. People in this space might want to go check it out. He declares that he got Israel out of the pandemic first by calling his friend, Albert Bourla, and letting him use his people as a lab. And declared it a scientific success, and has bigger plans in the future for biotech surveillance and engineering, as if that’s just where we’re going and Israel is leading the way. He acted like this was an accomplishment to be proud of, with zero acknowledgement of the failure and massive violation it was to his own people. I mean, really. How?
He and Trump drank the kool-aid!??!
Wow
You get a redaction. You get a redaction. Everyone gets a redaction!
That shouldn’t make me laugh but it did. Thanks
😆😂
Big Pharma and Big Government are two sides of the same fascist coin. Heads, they win, tails, they win, digital money, we lose big time. I wonder if the World of Rome was as corrupt as ours is, just before it collapsed?
“Nothing to see here!”
Quite literally. 🤡🌍
Very interesting and at this point not surprising. A few weeks ago Dr. McCullough had a guest on his podcast who said the US DoD was behind the mass vaccination campaign and Pfizer and Moderna were fronts for them. Would certainly explain a lot, but Pfizer is capable of doing this on their own with their history.
Certainly Pfizer and Moderna would benefit enormously for being the fronts.
I hope you’re right about the low energy path bad cat. My concern is that there are so many people that took the vaccines, they really don’t want to know the truth, which is essentially admitting they were duped. It amazes me (in the US) how many friends/acquaintances took them, many of whom questioned the lockdowns, masking, restrictions in general. Yet they still believed the government that they should take the jab(s). Mind-boggling
Fear gets a powerful hold. The fear of covid was well-played by the government/big pharma. Now too many are going to be afraid to find out what they have done to themselves.
Assume lying and go from there
I can help them. Here's the redacted version:
• https://govextra.gov.il/media/30806/11221-moh-pfizer-collaboration-agreement-redacted.pdf
Interestingly, this is linked from a footnote in this peer-reviewed article:
• "Who Controls Covid-Related Medical Data? Copyright and Personal Data" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8127473/)
Thanks MAA! That second one was really interesting.
Ahhh the old dog ate my texts trick...classic!
Probably the new puppy...you know they're teething!