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Martin's avatar

Well I've seen a fair deal of studies whose results counter the dominant narrative - e.g. several studies suggesting that vaccination does not prevent infection. As long as there is no study to prove or even suggest that the immune system would be weakened by the vaccine or make the response to the real infection weaker, the worries are just worries, and the case for getting the vaccine (to prevent serious illness) and then the infection (to get long term immunity and herd immunity) is pretty strong. I'm not saying it's strong enough to vaccinate children but it's still not as irrational as previous arguments have been.

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

Man, read this: (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256520v1.full-text

I have posted it just above. What's so difficult? If you read this, I promise to find you another one. Or you could go and do it yourself, instead of demanding to be spoon-fed.

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Martin's avatar

Dude, this IS how I find stuff - by asking people, and that's how a community of people with a common interest work - by directing each other to useful resources. So no need to be rude. I mean you are posting here mainly to share information you find important right? That said, thanks for the link, I'll look at it (along with other studies you might direct me to) with great interest.

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

Another one, all the way back from Oct. 2020, very prophetic: https://theconversation.com/training-our-immune-systems-why-we-should-insist-on-a-high-quality-covid-19-vaccine-146650 "A heavy emphasis is being placed on quantitative aspects of candidate COVID-19 vaccines, such as whether they generate high levels of antibodies. Many health regulatory agencies are poised to approve COVID-19 vaccines that reduce the burden of disease but do not induce immunity to completely prevent infection and transmission. But they should be cautious and ensure that these vaccines do not train our immune system for a response that is not optimal."

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

More references FYI:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7291596/?fbclid=IwAR12aJsdtREOted4lX5lyFL8i3dh6_xz7aFpsVl6qPQ8J2T5jTQh87ERRQE "Depending on the antigen against which antibodies are made in a first infection or immunization, in a second immunization with a different antigen of influenza, the immune system is only boosting the antibodies against the old antigen and does not recognize the new antigen. Therefore, a new specific protection

is not built up and, consequently, the patient is not protected against the new virus."

I have more, if you need more.

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

Another one: https://www.jimmunol.org/content/202/2/335 "Original Antigenic Sin: How First Exposure Shapes Lifelong Anti-Influenza Virus Immune Responses"

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

Looking forward to your feedback, dude. Piece!

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puddy tat's avatar

Go find the gigaohm video on twitch from oct 3 iirc that is a immunology deep dive and you will understand that antibodies is a red herring and its your t-cells that are important. the mrna subunit transfection is biasing (destroying) your immune system to a defunct early 2020 s1 spike subunit which means its useless. its a dense 2h50m video but the last 2 hours are priceless. learn the beautiful and complex way your immune system actually works and stop buying the antibody bullshit and all will become clear. there are no breakthrough infection is just doublespeak for we erased your immune memory.

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