This gives me goosebumps I am so happy. I was just about to head down to do Christmas shopping with my daughter. My wife told me that I as of today we are banned from shops because we are not vaccinated. I live in Germany. In the end we will win. I know it.
Best news ever. Gosh I hope this isn't just a holding out for no liability thing and its an actual humanity, this is the right thing to do, kind of kitty-fest🤔😉
I'm half Austrian and have been losing sleep over this. Imprisoning the unvaccinated en mass was always going to collapse but the madness of the times made me doubt how long it would take ... so good that some of the state personnel have not got sucked in.
I don't think the "union" can initiate a mutiny by decree. Soldiers and police have to be willing to defy orders. A police union head, Hermann Greylinger, also issued an ambivalent statement, essentially declaring that the police aren't responsible for public health enforcement - good coverage of this and other Austria happenings at https://fackel.substack.com/p/the-covid-purge - though, ambivalent is still an important signal of non-support.
There still needs to be actual will among the people and the police to defy the lockdown/passports and refute the illegitimate media/state "emergency." Austria probably isn't there yet.
Just a thought. If real history was still taught in government propaganda centers (schools) would we be dealing with any of this stuff? I've been shocked that so many European countries have fallen prey to this madness considering that they have relatively recent history with unprecedented tyranny. I know there aren't many left, but there are still people alive who have seen hard tyranny in their lifetime in those countries. I'm still dumbfounded by the last almost 2 years. I'll never get over it. But thank goodness that there are still people who are trying to stand firm.
I think this is more about compliance testing. How far do we (those in control) have to go to break the will of the people in each country. They'll collect data, analyze, and enhance for lockstep version 2. What is shown here is perhaps a step in the right direction but I still think it's a data analysis exercise to see what it takes and how they can improve for future implementations. They have us distracted by their covid rhetoric when we should be focused on tyranny and loss of freedom.
Well, now there is some good news! Hopefully, some of these wannabe, dictatorial overlords are losing some quality sleep these days. Heaven knows, we plebs have been.
We’ve got to stand up to the Faucists bastards. When the police and military join us, that’s a good sign. In the US, the new administration in early 2021 tried to winnow those in the military who might not respond in an unquestioning way to questionable orders. They’ve done the same to police, firefighters, medical personnel, and others with the illegal OSHA mandate. Hopefully, they’ll be enough left who are beholden to liberty (and the welfare of the people) above the irrational dictates of federal and state leaders that when the quarantine of the unvaccinated are ordered and protests banned, that they will not comply in their state, town, or city.
I've been repeatedly reminding a friend (here in the US) that the people she continues to deride as "Trumpers" are the people who also believe in our foundational freedoms. Americans aren't Europeans, though our "educated" class wish we were, and we are still considerably a stubborn and rebellious people. I've never been part of any political party and I voted for "none of the above" in 2016 and stayed home in 2020, but i am humbly grateful for the ignorant unwashed who are doing everything to protect their betters from tyranny.
I had a boyfriend who was a police officer in a red state and 0% chance any of them would enforce this vaccine passport lunacy. They were good freedom loving gun nuts, people you'd definitely want on your side.
Tyranny is only possible if it has the support of the enforcers: police and military, yes, but also the businesses and citizens who go along with it. Cut off enforcement and the threat retreats (for a while at least).
In nyc there are enough citizens doing the enforcement. Kicking people out of coffee shops, pizza places. Barring teenagers from playing sports. All public workers fired if they don't cave and get vacc'd. All done with no armed force.
"Government can only exercise power if the police, military and other key power centers support it." - The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics.
This is a great book to understand how government really work (both dictatorships and democracies. Well worth the read.
No politician will ever do anything that goes against his/her position. No one. And they have a two-way pressure these days, one that comes from above and one that comes from below.
The one that comes from below is voters´ pressure. Let´s not forget that the percentage of people who agrees with the "new normal" is much, much bigger than us who don´t. If that protest in Vienna goes great and they are able to gather, say, 40 000 people, that´s a tiny percentage of Austria, and even of Vienna. If this or any other government said "fuck it, we´re done. No more stupid measures. Let´s live life", the protests against that laxity would be unprecedentedly huge. So it is a no brainer for them...from below.
And the one that comes from above is the biggest, most powerful, most relentless, most supported by citizenship dictatorial hammer in the History of Humankind. No way politicians are going to confront a power that could sweep them like ants if they don´t comply.
So yes, it´s good news. But more in the sense that it is not bad news (which is a relief in these days of tribulation) than in it representing any change. The media pressure is going to be so persistent during the winter, and the figure manipulation so immoral, that most of the ones opposing today will be begging in March for the unvaccinated to be segregated from society.
Sorry, this is a post that I did not want to write. But I´ve seen this kind of mevements before in Europe and it´s is better to know that they went nowhere.
Hope this works as other European governments are watching deciding if they can get away with this too. Our glorious leader in Scotland has already said she's is going to try and extend the vax passport here beyond large events to bars and restaurants in time for the Christmas season. 🙄
This news about Austria is very encouraging. I just read the article with English translation. I really hope this encourages the police and military in other countries to do the same. It's about time.
Well, I'll believe the refusal to enforce when I see it. Not too hopeful,though. If this house arrest system fades away (it probably will at some point) it will likely be because:
a) the virus recedes seasonally on schedule, and
b) govt can joyfully claim their 'strategy' worked, and
c) enforcement (like customer service) costs plenty of money, while lots of in-person shops & businesses suffer cash-flow problems because house arrested people represent a nice percentage of their revenue.
The last point is not understood by the govt. Someone should whisper to them, "It's the economy, stupid."
In America, the excuse for this stuff is always "well, police are right-wing, so they're Trump-supporting science deniers that probably married their cousin."
Between this and the federal judge's comments my defeated little shred of hope is gathering new life. I wish i could send them flowers or cookies or something.
I live in the Czech Republic where the government just approved new rules against the uninjected they are calling "the Bavarian model". Starting Sunday night, this means that a negative test is no longer valid to enter mass events and some stores. Only proof of vaccination or previous infection is valid. As others have commented, it seems like this step may be a "compliance test" to see how far they can push the population. Czechia is only about 58% vaxxed.
It's been such a long time since I've heard hopeful news, I had forgotten what hopeful news feels like. Well done, Austria. I apologise for the insults I have been hurling your way since the segregation plans were unveiled.
The idea that a government would engage in the mass incarceration of its citizens based on their personal medical decisions is shocking and utterly revolting. To make matters worse, the purported rationale of the government is patently fraudulent. If vaccination is effective, then the vaccinated have absolutely nothing to fear from the alleged lepers in their midst. I am sorry to say it, but if the Austrians do not rise up against this abuse, they deserve their enslavement.
This is fabulous and how it should be, solidarity of the citizens and screw the minister of the interior and his cronies. I hope the police and armed forces would do the same here in the US if push came to shove and they refused to enforce this crap against any of us. If I were a cop or in the armed forces, I would stand down and not obey.
Those who participate in bullying tactics which pitch citizens against one and other, will eventually find that "I was just following orders" will not be an acceptable mitigation.
This gives me goosebumps I am so happy. I was just about to head down to do Christmas shopping with my daughter. My wife told me that I as of today we are banned from shops because we are not vaccinated. I live in Germany. In the end we will win. I know it.
There is hope. People are beginning to wake up. And the Nuremberg protocol should be used against the criminals doing this to the world.
ooh! this is a nice way to start the day
Best news ever. Gosh I hope this isn't just a holding out for no liability thing and its an actual humanity, this is the right thing to do, kind of kitty-fest🤔😉
I'm half Austrian and have been losing sleep over this. Imprisoning the unvaccinated en mass was always going to collapse but the madness of the times made me doubt how long it would take ... so good that some of the state personnel have not got sucked in.
The document is here - https://www.bundesheergewerkschaft.at/
I don't think the "union" can initiate a mutiny by decree. Soldiers and police have to be willing to defy orders. A police union head, Hermann Greylinger, also issued an ambivalent statement, essentially declaring that the police aren't responsible for public health enforcement - good coverage of this and other Austria happenings at https://fackel.substack.com/p/the-covid-purge - though, ambivalent is still an important signal of non-support.
There still needs to be actual will among the people and the police to defy the lockdown/passports and refute the illegitimate media/state "emergency." Austria probably isn't there yet.
Just a thought. If real history was still taught in government propaganda centers (schools) would we be dealing with any of this stuff? I've been shocked that so many European countries have fallen prey to this madness considering that they have relatively recent history with unprecedented tyranny. I know there aren't many left, but there are still people alive who have seen hard tyranny in their lifetime in those countries. I'm still dumbfounded by the last almost 2 years. I'll never get over it. But thank goodness that there are still people who are trying to stand firm.
I think this is more about compliance testing. How far do we (those in control) have to go to break the will of the people in each country. They'll collect data, analyze, and enhance for lockstep version 2. What is shown here is perhaps a step in the right direction but I still think it's a data analysis exercise to see what it takes and how they can improve for future implementations. They have us distracted by their covid rhetoric when we should be focused on tyranny and loss of freedom.
Well, now there is some good news! Hopefully, some of these wannabe, dictatorial overlords are losing some quality sleep these days. Heaven knows, we plebs have been.
We’ve got to stand up to the Faucists bastards. When the police and military join us, that’s a good sign. In the US, the new administration in early 2021 tried to winnow those in the military who might not respond in an unquestioning way to questionable orders. They’ve done the same to police, firefighters, medical personnel, and others with the illegal OSHA mandate. Hopefully, they’ll be enough left who are beholden to liberty (and the welfare of the people) above the irrational dictates of federal and state leaders that when the quarantine of the unvaccinated are ordered and protests banned, that they will not comply in their state, town, or city.
I've been repeatedly reminding a friend (here in the US) that the people she continues to deride as "Trumpers" are the people who also believe in our foundational freedoms. Americans aren't Europeans, though our "educated" class wish we were, and we are still considerably a stubborn and rebellious people. I've never been part of any political party and I voted for "none of the above" in 2016 and stayed home in 2020, but i am humbly grateful for the ignorant unwashed who are doing everything to protect their betters from tyranny.
I had a boyfriend who was a police officer in a red state and 0% chance any of them would enforce this vaccine passport lunacy. They were good freedom loving gun nuts, people you'd definitely want on your side.
Based Austrian cops. Pray for similar.
Yes!! This is what I said needed to happen in “Letter to a Colluder” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-colluder-stop-enabling) for tyranny to stop! VIVA LA RÉSISTANCE!!
Tyranny is only possible if it has the support of the enforcers: police and military, yes, but also the businesses and citizens who go along with it. Cut off enforcement and the threat retreats (for a while at least).
It’s all the over as soon as enough folks figure out it’s not D vs R, elite vs the rest of us.
Yes! Down With The Tyrants...
I have really struggled watching police take part in enforcing these mandates
Fire them all and bring in the Brownshirts. This disobedience will not stand!
In nyc there are enough citizens doing the enforcement. Kicking people out of coffee shops, pizza places. Barring teenagers from playing sports. All public workers fired if they don't cave and get vacc'd. All done with no armed force.
"Government can only exercise power if the police, military and other key power centers support it." - The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics.
This is a great book to understand how government really work (both dictatorships and democracies. Well worth the read.
Video version of the main ideas in the book https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs
That’s awesome!
No politician will ever do anything that goes against his/her position. No one. And they have a two-way pressure these days, one that comes from above and one that comes from below.
The one that comes from below is voters´ pressure. Let´s not forget that the percentage of people who agrees with the "new normal" is much, much bigger than us who don´t. If that protest in Vienna goes great and they are able to gather, say, 40 000 people, that´s a tiny percentage of Austria, and even of Vienna. If this or any other government said "fuck it, we´re done. No more stupid measures. Let´s live life", the protests against that laxity would be unprecedentedly huge. So it is a no brainer for them...from below.
And the one that comes from above is the biggest, most powerful, most relentless, most supported by citizenship dictatorial hammer in the History of Humankind. No way politicians are going to confront a power that could sweep them like ants if they don´t comply.
So yes, it´s good news. But more in the sense that it is not bad news (which is a relief in these days of tribulation) than in it representing any change. The media pressure is going to be so persistent during the winter, and the figure manipulation so immoral, that most of the ones opposing today will be begging in March for the unvaccinated to be segregated from society.
Sorry, this is a post that I did not want to write. But I´ve seen this kind of mevements before in Europe and it´s is better to know that they went nowhere.
What will the US military do?
Hope this works as other European governments are watching deciding if they can get away with this too. Our glorious leader in Scotland has already said she's is going to try and extend the vax passport here beyond large events to bars and restaurants in time for the Christmas season. 🙄
This news about Austria is very encouraging. I just read the article with English translation. I really hope this encourages the police and military in other countries to do the same. It's about time.
That's very encouraging news from the home of Glock.
Well, I'll believe the refusal to enforce when I see it. Not too hopeful,though. If this house arrest system fades away (it probably will at some point) it will likely be because:
a) the virus recedes seasonally on schedule, and
b) govt can joyfully claim their 'strategy' worked, and
c) enforcement (like customer service) costs plenty of money, while lots of in-person shops & businesses suffer cash-flow problems because house arrested people represent a nice percentage of their revenue.
The last point is not understood by the govt. Someone should whisper to them, "It's the economy, stupid."
In America, the excuse for this stuff is always "well, police are right-wing, so they're Trump-supporting science deniers that probably married their cousin."
Finally. A sigh of relief. Wake up people
Between this and the federal judge's comments my defeated little shred of hope is gathering new life. I wish i could send them flowers or cookies or something.
I live in the Czech Republic where the government just approved new rules against the uninjected they are calling "the Bavarian model". Starting Sunday night, this means that a negative test is no longer valid to enter mass events and some stores. Only proof of vaccination or previous infection is valid. As others have commented, it seems like this step may be a "compliance test" to see how far they can push the population. Czechia is only about 58% vaxxed.
This gives me hope. Australia, New Zealand, Canada...are you watching?
Police can be replaced with literally anyone to fit the end goal needed.
It's been such a long time since I've heard hopeful news, I had forgotten what hopeful news feels like. Well done, Austria. I apologise for the insults I have been hurling your way since the segregation plans were unveiled.
I wonder if this move by the police and military ultimately leads to a coup. Seems like we might see a dictatorship there, one way or the other.
they know which way the wind is blowing
The idea that a government would engage in the mass incarceration of its citizens based on their personal medical decisions is shocking and utterly revolting. To make matters worse, the purported rationale of the government is patently fraudulent. If vaccination is effective, then the vaccinated have absolutely nothing to fear from the alleged lepers in their midst. I am sorry to say it, but if the Austrians do not rise up against this abuse, they deserve their enslavement.
This is fabulous and how it should be, solidarity of the citizens and screw the minister of the interior and his cronies. I hope the police and armed forces would do the same here in the US if push came to shove and they refused to enforce this crap against any of us. If I were a cop or in the armed forces, I would stand down and not obey.
I'll believe it when I see it.
This is an encouraging sign.
Those who participate in bullying tactics which pitch citizens against one and other, will eventually find that "I was just following orders" will not be an acceptable mitigation.
Post WW2 trials have established this in law.
Bless up righteous humans 🙏
:)
Yay!
Austria fondly recalling The Anschluss .
If the police joined in that would be awesome!
Awesome! ❤️
Great news!
I heard somewhere that authoritarianism fall when the police force finally join the resistance.
If only we could get rid of that chap 'AL' and turn Australia into Austria.