Everything is irrational, unhinged. I'm so sorry you're going through this, GM. I shudder to think what will happen if/when the tide turns, and everyone realises how they've been utterly duped - on a global, sociopathic level. But in the meantime, the individual sufferings mount up.
Everything is irrational, unhinged. I'm so sorry you're going through this, GM. I shudder to think what will happen if/when the tide turns, and everyone realises how they've been utterly duped - on a global, sociopathic level. But in the meantime, the individual sufferings mount up.
Well, at this point I'm mainly concerned with my dad dropping dead. He's had some weird adverse reaction to sedation (they are thinking it relates to his past alcohol abuse) that has made him seriously confused, but before going into the hospital he had read a bunch of exhausting charts and graphs over my shoulder and realized in horror that the shot he took right before collapsing had most likely done it, and wanted urgently to tell his girlfriend not to run out for her newest booster.
For real? If the tide ever turns on this, I WANT blood in the streets. Yep. I know.
As an agnostic, I'm surprised at how often I want to say I will pray for people these days. But I will, for you and for your dad. I understand completely what you want. I wake up and go to sleep with the bitter taste of blood in my mouth. What this is doing to people is evil. And those who know what's going on, who are obscuring and falsifying the data, who knowingly send children off to get it, never mind everyone else, are evil personified.
If this affair hasn't made you question you (lack of) belief, you're not paying attention. This is absolutely biblical good vs. evil going on right in front of you!
I agree with Joe, Ann. Good vs. evil of Biblical proportions. Since you are agnostic you probably don't cruise too many serious religious websites, but I promise you there has never been a time in my 50+ years that so many serious and seriously-taken theologians have stressed the celestial battle that is being fought literally in the air we breathe. Take a peek and freak. Pax.
In my circles there is Abp. Vigiano, Fr. Altier, Fr. Goring, Ann Barnhardt, Queen of Peace Media. You should be able to find videos. Ann B is not a video site but has nearly weekly podcasts. There are a lot of Protestant ministers also speaking of it as well. Both Catholic and Protestant and have huge internal quakes that are part of the whole upheaval. Q of P Media has a lot of "messages" from seers - not required to believe, obviously, but wow. In our Church we are hearing a lot of battle preaching (which is right in my opinion).
Jonathon Cahn, the author of Harbinger had a lot of videos putting the pieces together.
Don't really let yourself freak out. Remember what is asked of you by Christ, repeatedly, "Watch and pray that you are not tempted." Do not be tempted to lose hope, Miow. We were born for this, this is how we become St. Miow and St. Amy Joy.
He took the booster right before visiting me, and was sitting in my office with me the following morning. When I left the room for about 10 minutes, he parked in front of my desk and read a study I had on my screen about vaccine-related heart injury (I forget which one) and when I came back in waved at it and said, "shit, this is me."
OTOH, he may very will die at this point- his case is not good- and is so delirious now that he remembers nothing of what brought him here- so it is all of questionable meaning now.
Few Covidians who suffer injuries are willing to admit what caused it, so that acknowledgment is a big step.
I am so sorry you, your father, and all who care about him are having to suffer this, Guttermouth. This is WHY we must continue fighting to stop this with all our might.
As I keep trying to explain to people in the hospital, though you wouldn't know it from all of his screaming and punching, when my father is himself, he is a brilliant man who brought up a (if I may say so myself) brilliant daughter. He simply suffers from a dramatic lack of information and is sufficiently elderly that the modern machinations of communication are lost on him as he has been many decades from "active participation in the grind," as he puts it.
That sums up the situation well (and I agree re: the brilliant daughter part ;-) Many intelligent people would never have succumbed to this narrative if they hadnтАЩt been subjected to such an all-encompassing disinformation campaign combined with censorship of legitimate facts.
Dealing with my dad has helped me maintain (some) empathy- but it helps a lot that he has never bullied, insulted, or cut me off for our differences on this topic.
When I would hear him talk about his position- incredibly afraid of covid, which he views as incredibly deadly, and overwhelmingly in favor of vaccines and vaccine mandates, both of which he believed were 100% effective- two immediate themes would always emerge for me:
1) he has framed it (or, more importantly, it has been framed for him) as being identical to past outbreaks of contagious disease with past vaccines being introduced. The nuances between things like MMR/polio vaccines and covid "vaccines" is lost on him, as they are never presented to him.
2) like the majority of people his age that I interact with, he gets all of his information from one, or at most two, legacy news sources- most commonly CNN or the New York Times and nowhere else. He/they are completely unaware (because it simply doesn't exist in their universe) of independent news sources or non-mainstream journalism (like, say, Project Veritas)- such things are conflated with "Qanon conspiracy theories shared on Facebook," because, again, he/they have never personally seen them and are not motivated to.
Excellent insights, GM, and yes, I think that is the crux of the problemтАФwhich means exposing them to credible alternative information in a way they donтАЩt immediately dismiss is the key.
This has been my challenge as well pertaining to opening my daughter's eyes to the scam. First, I must refrain from calling it a scam/plandemic or else she'll flee. Second, I must come across as moderate and still liberal. LOL We were Democrats until very recently. My best tactic as of now is to share a few CDC stats re: IFR, and forward a few articles by either one of the good doctors (Malone, Pierre Kory, McCullough, etc.). Bottom line is that I must bite my tongue and not offer what she calls "my opinion" on the matter. It's exhausting.
Addison Reeves is a civil rights attorney who describes herself as a radical leftist and has written one of my favorite articles on why we must resist: тАЬItтАЩs Just тАж Why I WonтАЩt SubmitтАЭ (https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/07/its-just-why-i-wont-submit/).
eeeeeeeesh. sorry. can they wean him down off the sedation? had a similar problem w/my mother (also too much alcohol, her liver is probably not great.) She wouldn't "come to" so I informed the powers that be that she also had a hard time coming out of anesthesia and to please lower the dose. After abusing the liver, it can't do what it used to do at the same speed as "normal".
Just a heads up, the elderly can and do get institutional dementia, I,think thatтАЩs the proper term. My dad experienced this early on in a long hospital stay. The elderly respond differently to environmental changes, especially when they are sick. ItтАЩs quite the phenomenon to witness firsthand. Drugs can exacerbate the condition, and make no mistake, theyтАЩll prescribe drugs to help the healthcare apparatus more comfortable in dealing with your dad. Also check to adverse drug interactions. Family needs to be on top of this as the hospitals can and do make serious errors.
Thanks for this, I'm actually beginning to come around to this as a reality; the effects are far more pronounced than anything I could have envisioned.
Indeed. IтАЩm convinced that the best way to recover is exit hospitals as soon as possible. Once heтАЩs out, youтАЩll notice a remarkable restoration of faculties, although it may not be 100%, depending. Geriatric illness/recovery has been described to me as a staircase, illness might cause them to go down ten steps, and they iight recover back up 9 steps. The next insult will go down some more steps, and not quite back up all the way yet again. Proactive steps to protect health is vital as we age, and recognizing the risks and taking simple steps to reduce these risks. You father will probably be a fall risk once released, so physical and occupational therapy goes a long way to,helping restore balance. Even a few days in a hospital bed and restricted from walking around degrades strength and balance significantly, so therapy started ASAP is advisable, even while still in the hospital. Good luck
I watched my mother my mother go from CHF - it is a long term accumulating issue so probably the booster did not cause it, precisely. But what I can say is that numerous events - and just duration - can trigger downturns - I used to call them "mini-heart attacks" - and I can also say, it is not necessarily a linear thing - she would revive after such downturns - in a number of days, the swoon cycle would go ... until it did not. Good luck - it is a fairly gentle way to go - I found comfort in that.
I am so sorry you and your mother had to endure that, RegretLeft.
If you havenтАЩt already watched this (necessary) interview with (now-terminated) Hospitalist PhysicianтАЩs Assistant Deborah Conrad, she talks about how people with chronic conditions, cancer in remission, etc. immediately had their conditions reactivated and exacerbated after the injection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIydr2ZqZto
A friend who has always taken close (allopathic-style)care of his health, has just been diagnosed with prostate cancer that has already metastasized to several bones.
He was among the first, where we live, to be double-vaxxed. But he's sciency, so...
Oh my goodness, Jaye. That is heartbreaking and highly revealing as prostate cancer typically progresses at an extremely slow pace, to the point that if you get it late in life, they sometimes donтАЩt even worry about it as youтАЩre more likely to die of old age first.
Maybe try to get your friend to watch the video interview with Deborah Conrad I posted above.
Everything is irrational, unhinged. I'm so sorry you're going through this, GM. I shudder to think what will happen if/when the tide turns, and everyone realises how they've been utterly duped - on a global, sociopathic level. But in the meantime, the individual sufferings mount up.
Well, at this point I'm mainly concerned with my dad dropping dead. He's had some weird adverse reaction to sedation (they are thinking it relates to his past alcohol abuse) that has made him seriously confused, but before going into the hospital he had read a bunch of exhausting charts and graphs over my shoulder and realized in horror that the shot he took right before collapsing had most likely done it, and wanted urgently to tell his girlfriend not to run out for her newest booster.
For real? If the tide ever turns on this, I WANT blood in the streets. Yep. I know.
As an agnostic, I'm surprised at how often I want to say I will pray for people these days. But I will, for you and for your dad. I understand completely what you want. I wake up and go to sleep with the bitter taste of blood in my mouth. What this is doing to people is evil. And those who know what's going on, who are obscuring and falsifying the data, who knowingly send children off to get it, never mind everyone else, are evil personified.
"No, they're just dumb, don't be <perjorative> like they are" is something I'm pretty tired of, too.
Agnostics can pray if they wish. I certainly won't be offended. :)
Yeah, but the Receiver might be.
He will not be offended. He will welcome you with open arms. Pray away
No the Receiver wonтАЩt be offended.
If any of the logical stipulations that go into most definitions of a monotheistic divine creator are indeed sound, I doubt that very much. :)
So sorry to hear about your dad. I hope he pulls through.
Let's hope so, indeed.
If this affair hasn't made you question you (lack of) belief, you're not paying attention. This is absolutely biblical good vs. evil going on right in front of you!
I agree with Joe, Ann. Good vs. evil of Biblical proportions. Since you are agnostic you probably don't cruise too many serious religious websites, but I promise you there has never been a time in my 50+ years that so many serious and seriously-taken theologians have stressed the celestial battle that is being fought literally in the air we breathe. Take a peek and freak. Pax.
Where can I take a peek please?
In my circles there is Abp. Vigiano, Fr. Altier, Fr. Goring, Ann Barnhardt, Queen of Peace Media. You should be able to find videos. Ann B is not a video site but has nearly weekly podcasts. There are a lot of Protestant ministers also speaking of it as well. Both Catholic and Protestant and have huge internal quakes that are part of the whole upheaval. Q of P Media has a lot of "messages" from seers - not required to believe, obviously, but wow. In our Church we are hearing a lot of battle preaching (which is right in my opinion).
Jonathon Cahn, the author of Harbinger had a lot of videos putting the pieces together.
Don't really let yourself freak out. Remember what is asked of you by Christ, repeatedly, "Watch and pray that you are not tempted." Do not be tempted to lose hope, Miow. We were born for this, this is how we become St. Miow and St. Amy Joy.
So he finally realized it might be the booster? It takes being brought to the brink of death to realize it, but better late than never.
He took the booster right before visiting me, and was sitting in my office with me the following morning. When I left the room for about 10 minutes, he parked in front of my desk and read a study I had on my screen about vaccine-related heart injury (I forget which one) and when I came back in waved at it and said, "shit, this is me."
OTOH, he may very will die at this point- his case is not good- and is so delirious now that he remembers nothing of what brought him here- so it is all of questionable meaning now.
Few Covidians who suffer injuries are willing to admit what caused it, so that acknowledgment is a big step.
I am so sorry you, your father, and all who care about him are having to suffer this, Guttermouth. This is WHY we must continue fighting to stop this with all our might.
As I keep trying to explain to people in the hospital, though you wouldn't know it from all of his screaming and punching, when my father is himself, he is a brilliant man who brought up a (if I may say so myself) brilliant daughter. He simply suffers from a dramatic lack of information and is sufficiently elderly that the modern machinations of communication are lost on him as he has been many decades from "active participation in the grind," as he puts it.
That sums up the situation well (and I agree re: the brilliant daughter part ;-) Many intelligent people would never have succumbed to this narrative if they hadnтАЩt been subjected to such an all-encompassing disinformation campaign combined with censorship of legitimate facts.
Dealing with my dad has helped me maintain (some) empathy- but it helps a lot that he has never bullied, insulted, or cut me off for our differences on this topic.
When I would hear him talk about his position- incredibly afraid of covid, which he views as incredibly deadly, and overwhelmingly in favor of vaccines and vaccine mandates, both of which he believed were 100% effective- two immediate themes would always emerge for me:
1) he has framed it (or, more importantly, it has been framed for him) as being identical to past outbreaks of contagious disease with past vaccines being introduced. The nuances between things like MMR/polio vaccines and covid "vaccines" is lost on him, as they are never presented to him.
2) like the majority of people his age that I interact with, he gets all of his information from one, or at most two, legacy news sources- most commonly CNN or the New York Times and nowhere else. He/they are completely unaware (because it simply doesn't exist in their universe) of independent news sources or non-mainstream journalism (like, say, Project Veritas)- such things are conflated with "Qanon conspiracy theories shared on Facebook," because, again, he/they have never personally seen them and are not motivated to.
Excellent insights, GM, and yes, I think that is the crux of the problemтАФwhich means exposing them to credible alternative information in a way they donтАЩt immediately dismiss is the key.
This has been my challenge as well pertaining to opening my daughter's eyes to the scam. First, I must refrain from calling it a scam/plandemic or else she'll flee. Second, I must come across as moderate and still liberal. LOL We were Democrats until very recently. My best tactic as of now is to share a few CDC stats re: IFR, and forward a few articles by either one of the good doctors (Malone, Pierre Kory, McCullough, etc.). Bottom line is that I must bite my tongue and not offer what she calls "my opinion" on the matter. It's exhausting.
Totally get it. You might point her to Left Lockdown Sceptics (https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/), Winter Oak Press (https://winteroak.org.uk/acorn/), Nevermore Media (https://nevermore.media/), and Architects for Social Housing (https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/) as examples of leftists pushing back against the narrative.
Addison Reeves is a civil rights attorney who describes herself as a radical leftist and has written one of my favorite articles on why we must resist: тАЬItтАЩs Just тАж Why I WonтАЩt SubmitтАЭ (https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/07/its-just-why-i-wont-submit/).
My тАЬLetter to a Scientifically-Minded FriendтАЭ (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-scientifically-minded) is also a gentle introduction to the media manipulations weтАЩve been subjected to, as is тАЬA Primer for the Propagandized: Fear Is the Mind-KillerтАЭ (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/a-primer-for-the-propagandized).
eeeeeeeesh. sorry. can they wean him down off the sedation? had a similar problem w/my mother (also too much alcohol, her liver is probably not great.) She wouldn't "come to" so I informed the powers that be that she also had a hard time coming out of anesthesia and to please lower the dose. After abusing the liver, it can't do what it used to do at the same speed as "normal".
Just a heads up, the elderly can and do get institutional dementia, I,think thatтАЩs the proper term. My dad experienced this early on in a long hospital stay. The elderly respond differently to environmental changes, especially when they are sick. ItтАЩs quite the phenomenon to witness firsthand. Drugs can exacerbate the condition, and make no mistake, theyтАЩll prescribe drugs to help the healthcare apparatus more comfortable in dealing with your dad. Also check to adverse drug interactions. Family needs to be on top of this as the hospitals can and do make serious errors.
Thanks for this, I'm actually beginning to come around to this as a reality; the effects are far more pronounced than anything I could have envisioned.
I just want them to fix his heart and let him go.
Indeed. IтАЩm convinced that the best way to recover is exit hospitals as soon as possible. Once heтАЩs out, youтАЩll notice a remarkable restoration of faculties, although it may not be 100%, depending. Geriatric illness/recovery has been described to me as a staircase, illness might cause them to go down ten steps, and they iight recover back up 9 steps. The next insult will go down some more steps, and not quite back up all the way yet again. Proactive steps to protect health is vital as we age, and recognizing the risks and taking simple steps to reduce these risks. You father will probably be a fall risk once released, so physical and occupational therapy goes a long way to,helping restore balance. Even a few days in a hospital bed and restricted from walking around degrades strength and balance significantly, so therapy started ASAP is advisable, even while still in the hospital. Good luck
This is true. Also I recently learned that a sneaky UTI can result in big dementia like symptoms in the elderly, it's actually quite common! Who knew? https://www.alz.org/blog/alz/october_2011/sudden_change_in_behavior_urinary_tract_infection
I watched my mother my mother go from CHF - it is a long term accumulating issue so probably the booster did not cause it, precisely. But what I can say is that numerous events - and just duration - can trigger downturns - I used to call them "mini-heart attacks" - and I can also say, it is not necessarily a linear thing - she would revive after such downturns - in a number of days, the swoon cycle would go ... until it did not. Good luck - it is a fairly gentle way to go - I found comfort in that.
1) His CHF was called "sudden onset" by both his internist and cardiologist. He has no history.
2) I don't give a good shit how gently my dad is killed.
3) Mind your fucking business.
I am so sorry you and your mother had to endure that, RegretLeft.
If you havenтАЩt already watched this (necessary) interview with (now-terminated) Hospitalist PhysicianтАЩs Assistant Deborah Conrad, she talks about how people with chronic conditions, cancer in remission, etc. immediately had their conditions reactivated and exacerbated after the injection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIydr2ZqZto
A friend who has always taken close (allopathic-style)care of his health, has just been diagnosed with prostate cancer that has already metastasized to several bones.
He was among the first, where we live, to be double-vaxxed. But he's sciency, so...
Oh my goodness, Jaye. That is heartbreaking and highly revealing as prostate cancer typically progresses at an extremely slow pace, to the point that if you get it late in life, they sometimes donтАЩt even worry about it as youтАЩre more likely to die of old age first.
Maybe try to get your friend to watch the video interview with Deborah Conrad I posted above.
I doubt he'd watch. But I will! Thank you for your thoughts
Mass psychosis, not sure realization ever occurs..
I think thatтАЩs only the die hard 30% true believers.