Ron specifically said that they could wear them if they want to. Saying he was 'caught on hot mic" implies that Ron said something which he didn't want broadcast, which isn't true.
I laughed when I saw the video of DeSantis calling out the stupidity of mask wearing among young people. DeSantis is right. Sometimes truth is the truth and no crying and whining can change that.
Plus he said there was no need to wear a mask. Nothing Ron said was untrue. Everything the media, the lame mother and not college worthy kid said is true. And it wasn’t a hot mic because he knew it on.
Yes but the MSM angle is that he was "bullying" them. These aren't junior high school kids but college students. Amazing how children are supposedly wise enough to take puberty blockers but you can't say something mildly critical to an adult without being a bully. One of these adult's mom was all over the news attacking DeSantis. Poor kid will probably be in his mom's basement until he's thirty.
Somebody sent them out there all masked up like that as a back drop, probably a school administrator to make the Gov look bad. DeSantis rightly called bullshit, and the students took off their masks with sheepish grins on their faces. This guy is defiantly one of a kind unlike most spineless politicians.
They were high school kids attending a college conference was my understanding, but still the ‘kid’ was 17 and also looked like he was saying what his over-bearing mom wanted him to say.
This week the elementary/middle school where I teach finally went “mask optional.” Everyone pretty much knew I would be happy since I’d been caught referring to “face diapers” in my middle school classes and refused to comply with a “masks for the unvaccinated” policy. But it was a sad week for me as 95% of my colleagues and 98% of the students kept the masks on. As the week went on some students got lazier with their “mask-up diligence” but for many it was clear that the fear and the compliance has been internalized — or as is suggested the mask is now a security blanket (and a powerful one for the pre-adolescent and adolescent coping with acne and insecurity). It was lonely and sad.
Might not work. They'd just wear the mask to cover up the acne! A lady friend of mine was really bummed out when mask "mandates" were dropped. I asked why? The answer: She doesn't like putting makeup on. If that doesn't speak volumes as to one of the reasons we are where we are, I don't know what does.
Guess what lady! Mask or no mask, you don't actually have to wear makeup! I haven't worn makeup in years except rare special occasions involving dressing up (such as job interviews and funerals) or Halloween (and not necessarily "pretty" makeup then). No one has given me crap about it, if they did I'd point out I don't owe it to anyone to coat my skin in chemical gunk to be a supernormal stimulus for their viewing pleasure, and my skin tbh is a lot better off for it.
Wear makeup if you want to, that's fine, but its not mandatory in any case. I always feel sad at how many women think they "have to".
It was always fun to see my late wife put on eye makeup for special occasions. As a special ed teacher she never wore any makeup. Back when she was an executive at a major company she used a minimum of makeup. She said in her acting days, when she was 20-30's she had to wear the stuff so the back rows could see emotion. Later she said there were no more back rows. I was attracted to her intelligence and wit, not appearance. Couldn't break her attraction to liberal causes however. I did respect them and we often agreed to disagree.
My problem was the bad water. Hard water doesn't dissolve anything properly and doesn't rinse properly,so the more I tried to wash,even without makeup, the worse it got. And our water is hard enough to damn near walk on without a decent softener. And then I'd put on makeup to hide the acne sores,which just made them more numerous and prominent. Type of makeup or soap didn't even make a difference. The iron would also soak into my hair and make it brittle. And since no one else had these physiological quirks of sensitive skin and absorbant hair, no one cared to fix the problem until it threatened the plumbing system a decade or two later.
But yeah, once I got out of the habit of wearing makeup all the time, I never went back, even when the water improved. I have gone back to using face care products though, which has been nice. (Oatmeal and avocado masks feel amazing!)
YIKES thanks for the permission lol! i never would of guessed in a million years it's not mandatory! i only wear it to hide the acne caused by the mask.
Not giving permission, just always a bit stunned and sad at how many think they have to wear makeup, as in being so ingrained it never occurs to them its not a requirement on the level of "wear clothes when you leave the house".
I've been in that "hiding the acne" situation, it sucks. In my case it made the acne worse because of our heavily iron-laden water and failing softener, so washing it off properly just wasn't gonna happen.
I've found that borage oil is a great moisturizer and got rid of a bad combo of acne/eczema for me. It's a nutritional supplement, I break a capsule and apply to my face & where ever else I need it.
I’ll forgive the corona maniacs the day that an obese diabetic walks up to me and says thank you for the extraordinary efforts to compensate for their lack of care for their own health.
When asked/told by an obese 30 yr old in a home depot hardware aisle to “put your mask on”, I considered a trade - you 10 pushups, me mask on. But it struck me that was a bit like Biden, so I walked away.
Right? Many of the comorbidities are self inflicted wounds that have been encouraged by the government and food industry such as highly processed foods, the coolness of smoking, you get my point. Unfailing trust in doctors as pillars of knowledge is another problem. I don’t know about anyone else but my doctor is at least 75 pounds over weight and take a tremendous number of pharmaceuticals. I use him as a means to an end to get what I want. But trust him as an educated provider? No way
I'll have to forgive the family members I love deeply if they ever wake up. But the scars will remain and never go away, and along with them, I suspect, will stay at least a small taste of bitterness. Others, whom I had considered friends and respected, I can't imagine feeling anything for but lasting contempt.
In Canada where I live, we're about 2-3 weeks away from an official lifting of the mask mandate. The other day, for the first time, I went to 2 grocery stores without my mask. I was nervous but it felt so good. I was the only one in the stores without a mask but no one said anything. Hopefully, the people who saw me will get inspired to do the same.
Church is another matter. I attend 2 churches. At 1 church, I've seen someone get kicked out for not wearing a mask - on Christmas day no less when ironically the priest's sermon was 'drop your security blanket and trust in the Lord'. The other church has a priest that sees through the non sense but doesn't want the church closed so asks us to mask up. Both churches have congregations that are mask enthusiasts to say the least and have already expressed fear about dropping the masks.
It will take time but I think when people see that we're not dropping dead everywhere, the masks will go, especially summertime.
Thankfully the church I attend has been wise to the dangers of statism for many years…despite an initial compliance in 2020, we have long since resisted the silliness and sinfulness of this moment. Still waiting for the mass deaths…..
Can you share general location? Quebec (Canada) actually had a vaxx pass requirement over Christmas for attendance. Douglas Farrow wrote on his substack that some pastors rather held services outside, and Quebec gets cold, for everyone rather than divide their congregations.
Southern Ontario. Those who want to abide by the ‘rules’ have their own space in the church, where they can do so without judgment…the rest of us worship freely.
Great to hear. I'm Southern Ont. as well. I have a feeling the churches I alluded to will have separate spaces for us rule breakers. I hope I'm wrong...I'll let you know!
I am so sorry about the churches. I realize that I have no right to apologize for the ministers and priests that kicked people out but I guess I will anyway. I apologize on behalf of all the ministers and priests and the congregations that sinned in this way. Please forgive us for seeking after our own righteousness instead of the Lord's. In our defense, we have been quite confused about justification for oh...the past two thousand years or so and have gotten things twisted round. God is so faithful though, anything good in all Western Civilization comes from Jesus and Jesus alone. And I will also say this, the Lord has been faithful to his bride the church even when she is seriously confused. He does not desert her and that's why she does wonderful things sometimes; that's why she is a breath of fresh air and a place of hope each and every first day of the week i.e. Sunday.
Give it a week. I’m hoping you’ll notice what I did - that they slowly came off. It almost seems that some adolescents hide behind them? That it allows them to disengage? The youngest kids couldn’t take them off fast enough and are on with their lives. The adult hanger onners either are scared or virtue signaling? These are my thoughts, observing people in my day to day (I’m not a teacher). In general though, after a week, most have ripped them off in my world. It’s striking to see smiles/teeth again.
I think that's largely true. No human will keep up a charade that limits their breath and itches their face, it's just UNBELIEVEABLE these petty tyrants were able to succeed in doing it at all. Outside no less.
Not so sure. Some people like self-abuse, self-mutilation. Those with studs through the tongue and a ring in the roof of the moth with a chain between. And piercings elsewhere which I won’t detail in the polite company of this blog. Hair shirts have always been popular among the self-righteous, expressing their great virtue. CoVid, no doubt in my mind, is a new religion for some - complete with superstitious, ritual hand cleansing in shop doorways: Oh Lord wash away my iniquity.
All those things you describe rather pale in comparison to what many ancient peoples, and quite a few still extant "primitive" tribes do in the name of decoration, body sculpture, religious and/or ceremonial meaning and so on. You'll have to do your own research if you want specifics. Not for the faint of heart.
Yeah, but masks will never have the perceived coolness factor as piercings. (No, I don't have those because omg the horror, but in terms of image they do have qualities wearing a surgical mask everywhere is never going to have, whether its "coolness" or "shock value").
Here in England it’s jut over a month since mask mandates and all but a few restrictions (self-isolating) were lifted. I never wore a mask so I was usually just one or two of us rebels in my local supermarket. The mask zombies carried on as normal, but about two weeks ago, there was a definite larger minority not wearing. This last week I’d say it is about 50:50 including more staff not wearing them. I do feel there will be some who will wear them for ever.
Yes, I think mask wearing is a new form of phobia that is a combination of mysophobia and agoraphobia. Those who continue to wear them despite acknowledgement of their in effectiveness is not unlike a child who is comforted by their teddy bear, security blanket or pacifier.
It was disturbing to me to see all the mask wearers walking around like compliant automaton drones. I felt like one of the few who had managed to avoid being bitten by a zombie or managed to avoid being transformed into one of the pod people by the alien life form.
At the rate that consumer inflation is picking up (not seen in 40 years!) agoraphobia may soon reclaim its original (Greek) meaning: "fear of the marketplace." 😠
The psychological mechanisms in play are profound and my students have had three years of their educational program interrupted and disrupted. A week sounds too optimistic, unfortunately. But I hope you are right. A further thing to consider is that decent people have an impulse to protect the other…as such, parents may enforce their kid’s masking “in order to protect the teacher” and teachers may remain masked up “in order to protect student Sally’s grandmother” — opportunities for human communication about such things (using, say, authoritative sources of data and trusted information) have been reduced and diminished and the damage this has caused is yet untold. I am trying to lead by example and not violate my own principles at the same time, so when in the classroom I hear a BS claim from some 7th grader (which happens, oh, about every 90 seconds) — I tell the truth.
Agree - the psychological mechanisms are profound. Just because the masks are coming off doesn’t undo the damage and I’m not feeling secure in where we are headed. Things are not all better and back to normal. Saddens me but then I’m hopeful when I realize there are teachers like you out there. I’ve been sensing there are few like you (at least where I live) and I hope you stay the course. You are needed and will make a difference.
Yes. I, too, am sad about the level of fear, anxiety & guilt we've foisted off on the young & previously healthy. What other propaganda are they going to buy hook, line, & sinker over their lifetimes because they've been conditioned to live in perpetual fear?
We've created so much increased or novel mental illness in this country. Big Pharma is going to love that, too. Already touting some "Prolonged Grief Disorder" BS. We pathologize everything.
And parents will think they are helping. Because somehow we've all forgotten that corporate America isn't out there trying to win good citizenship awards. They are creating profits for shareholders.
That often means some unscrupulous things go down: groundwater pollution, PFAS EVERYWHERE in our bodies, Round Up in our food supply, and a bunch of people taking psych drugs proven by independent sources to lack efficacy which are still somehow addictive and have terrible additional side effects.
I'm not saying there is never a place for psych drugs. If you are about to off yourself, are a danger to others, or are hallucinating giant fanged funky purple winkerbeans (and are not enjoying the experience), have at it. But do not trust the people pushing the pills. Do your own research. Figure out your own treatment parameters. Do you think you need pills for life? (Most don't.) How will you taper off of them? (Your doc won't help. More research for you.)
I really have seen some people struggle with getting off antidepressants, to the point where they stopped trying because they couldn't function with the withdrawal symptoms.
I actually have come to question whether there IS a place for psych drugs. The tyranny we have seen over Covid, esp by those hospitalized and forced to accept failed protocols and forbidden access to potentially life saving alternatives has long been experienced by psychiatric patients and those deemed cognitively impaired. I used to think it had to do with our misguided dependence on moral autonomy and reason based concepts of personhood. I now see that the victims of psychiatric abuse reflect broader powers of tryranny to which all of us are subject. Now to pull together to defeat it without destroying ourselves by inadvertently (or not) reproducing the tyranny!
There IS a place for psych drugs. They can help, they must be carefully used, of course. I myself have the "major depressive disorder." Hate the ominous term for inheriting depression, thanks to an alcoholic father whose mother drank heavily while he was in the womb. The Rx is a Godsend. My sister-in-law is bipolar; careful dosing and monitoring allows her to live a creative and service-oriented life. But yes, "mental health" difficulties are both under diagnosed and undertreated, and over diagnosed in say, children and ADHD when parents and schools want instant compliance and believe a pill gives it, instead of parenting and reinforcing desired behaviors which takes work and time. I'm old enough to remember when teachers dealt with classroom behavior and parents expected their children to behave appropriately in school so backed teacher authority in the classroom. Children suspended from school was rare.
That's a very complex issue. There was a case years ago of a man who was in the middle of a severe paranoid schizophrenic episode and committed a grotesque murder. He was released about only a few years later as he was deemed innocent by way of insanity and considered not a threat as long as he took is medication. Problem was, the man was left completely to his own supervision regarding medication and given a new identity. I wouldn't want to be his neighbour.
I absolutely agree that it is complicated. And the literature on mental illness and dangerousness remains mixed. However, I would venture to say that the majority of those subject to psychiatric tyranny are not dangerous. MindFreedom International has been working for decades in this issue.
I keep thinking that, while I think about my friend who is proudly and publicly (on social media) afraid to venture farther than his backyard without a mask
Getting rid of the TV goes a long way to avoid brainwashing. However, peer pressure or societal pressure is very, very strong.
Teaching kids to think for themselves and to be independent is critical I believe.
I also think that we're all a lot more brainwashed than we realize. A book I read quite some time ago asserted that the world we live in isn't the world that God created but rather a world of our own making. There's an awful lot of truth in that: just consider that Klaus Schwab and his pals want to correct God's errors and redesign us in his image.
That's a really interesting comment. On my podcast Bump in the Road, I've interviewed a number of people who have had near death experiences. And they all ultimately, in one form or another, say that God/Spirit/Universe whatever you want to call it is about the power of love and deep connection. And that is the polar opposite of what we're seeing. Perhaps that is why so many of us sense evil.
For anyone that's interested, the NDE stories are David Maginley (his books amazing); Mary Neal, MD; Cherie Aimee; and Barbara Harris Whitfield at BumpInTheRoad.us
And definitely turn off the TV! It's hazardous to your health on so many levels!
Yes, evil is very strong these days. I don't think you have to be a sandwich board carrying street corner evangelist shouting 'repent, the end is near!' to realize that the end of life as we've known it truly is near. The NWO is an evil concoction that can only be defeated by truth, love, perseverance, compassion and prayer. It won't be easy.
Having been hassled by a few because mine crept down after snagging on my facial hair, I'm of the opinion that they're seeing the teacher's union tactics and loving the power and don't want to give it up. Would love to hear a flight attendant's perspective.
You mean… your’re not supposed to wear them over your head? You’ll be saying next they shouldn’t be worn as chin-warmers or used to polish the screens of mobile phones.
I quit caring about my bald spots long ago. On more than one occasion, I've shaved everything off whether for a fundraiser like St. Baldrick's or just because.
We have all seen videos of animals caged for long periods who are hesitant to leave the “safety” of the cage when the door is finally opened and freedom is but a step away. Another explanation is that students are simply waiting to see how their classmates respond, particularly those in their social groups or with high social status. Herd mentality and peer pressure are barriers to independent thought and action. Give it time.
Here's an example of that, from today: We hosted 3 orphans from Ukraine for a month over Christmas. They begged not to have to return, but they were required to do so, and friends of ours began the adoption process to bring them home forever, which they wanted. Now that they're in a war, the oldest, a teen, feels she cannot leave her home country and her people. She's already forgotten what it was like to live free. Maybe the familiarity is more comforting than the unknown, even though leaving her current situation would be safer.
I apologize that I wasn’t clear. She had a month of living in a family, with lots of love, safety, freedom to play, to eat what she chose, be out in the community…for two years they’ve been restricted not only in an orphanage, where they don’t make their own choices, but confined to the orphanage due to coronavirus. After being here for a month, she and her siblings begged to stay, even though that wasn’t allowed but someone began pursuing adoption of them. After six weeks back at the orphanage, she no longer wanted to leave it, even though she will be turned out onto the street this fall if she does return to Ukraine. I hope that makes sense. The familiarity trumps freedom.
I suspect her motivations are more to try to help protect her peers doing whatever she can. Given a taste of a different life, she may be more than willing to pickup a weapon to try to create a new condition more to her liking.
The mandate was finally lifted in our county, though the city center was the only place where people have been wearing them. I had to go downtown to volunteer at a charity which is mostly staffed by young people, probably in their 20s. The masks are no longer required but I was the only person not wearing one. It breaks my heart.
I get it! I was shocked then saddened that most were still wearing their masks (thought at first that I had the day wrong?). It took about a week for the majority to show their faces. And I also noticed that the younger adults were the last to let go. Don’t despair!
It will change and it requires people like us to bring with us website or documentation that masks do nothing. It is up to those of use awake to teach those who are asleep OR WE'LL ALL BE SCREWED> We now all have this job!
But how? I have tried, however gently and get repeatedly (gently) rebuffed. I am saddened to see my former university students uncritically submitting their brains and bodies..
Is it though for them? Think back to your tween years. The slave masks are just cool fashion trends for them. Bell bottoms for their face. Yes they are ridiculous and useless but it's what the cool kids are wearing. When these young uns look back at a picture of them sporting the slave masks when they were young they will think why did I ever wear them. So ugly.' Just like bell bottoms.
I think you may be right. I’m sure some kids think it dress-up, like Halloween, masks. The problem is they are made to wear them when they are not fun, but uncomfortable, and very small children who don’t want them are forced to wear them, slapped or otherwise punished maybe if they try to take them off.
I was surprised not to long ago when a friend suddenly started to wear his mask all the time. He was quite anti narrative so it really surprised me. Turns out, he was in the middle of major dental work and didn't want to show a toothless grin. I saw him recently grinning from ear to ear sans mask showing off his new pearly whites. A neighbour has the same predicament.
I frequently have to ride a train to work. I'm an anti-masker, but am forced to wear it on rails (and gets enforced by the police there - you get off, or accept the mask they give you if you don't have one.)
I usually wear it down under my nose. But I'll admit, there have been some smelly riders (booze, BO, marijuana, fecal matter, etc) where I am glad I have a mask to put over my nose.
Now with that fear internalized, and petty authoritarians finding they like it with US politics requiring a shift off COVID for Dems mid-term strategy a new target was needed and the psychosis switched to Ukraine and Russia. Banning russian cats, kicking russian disabled our of special oympics, removing Russian authors from syllabuses, I asssume Russian salad dressing is 86'd also.
A friend who is a chaplain in Mariupol, and also cares for many orphans, compared the invasion to a scene in “War and Peace.” He says the aggressors didn’t anticipate the spirit of the people.
Conditioning to ingrain a different behavior requires action repetition. Currently conditioning for TPTB is all going the other way...repeated transgressions against others and enrichment from corruption with no consequence.
I spoke with a store employee yesterday who said the masks had given her acne and I commiserated with her about my “maskne”, which didn’t last long because my masking didn’t.
She said she’s too self-conscious now to take it off because of the maskne
That's so sad that she's trapped in this prison she's allowed herself to stay in. It will go away shortly. There's a brighter future ahead!
My wife does covid testing for one job, and laser aesthetics for the other (along with botox injections, etc), so she gets very self conscious about that kind of stuff too. She's gotten past it. She has a lot of patients I'd call vain (partly why they go to her), and I haven't heard much from her about this type of issue. I hope she'll not feel alone in this, and take a breath of fresh air, which she (and her skin) needs. Good luck Boots!
What are these virtue-signaling snowflakes going to do when mask-wearing political cachet plummets? Tattoo themselves with blue-and-yellow flags, I suppose.
In France - a nation of hypochondriacs - pharmacies are now promoting iodine pills for the coming nuclear apocalypse. I have no doubt there will be plenty of takers.
Potassium iodide works for quickly passing particulate from fallout from the body. I've kept a two-week supply with our camping gear for years (infinite shelf life in a tinted bottle).
It won't stop you from being blown to bits by an explosion or from direct radiation. You need a cloth mask for that.
I was told this when I lived in Japan during Fukushima and was offered a now-ubiquitous blue mask after stepping OFF a plane from Hokkaido onto the presumably fallout-drenched streets of Tokyo.
By sheer coincidence, I spent an entire semester of grad school immersed in Changizi's first two texts on sensation and perception (purely apolitical cognitive psychology stuff). When I first found his YouTube a year ago, I was like, "why is that name.... HOLY SHIT"
Correct. It is also my right to NOT wear one. That has been the point of contention the whole time. Wear your mask if it makes you feel better. Just know that’s all it’s doing…
This is why I laugh, but never chastise mask wearers, because anyone should have the right to wear what they want, within the bounds of community standards, which of course should be held through public hearings. He can wear a boot on his head and run for office, good for him. He can wear a dress, good for him. That is freedom.
I'm about to go play golf, and maybe wear a mask because my allergies are in full spring mode. I'll take medicine and not wear a mask, mostly because I've never asked or been told a mask will help stop my allergies, as we were bombarded telling us masks stop covid. That is the true controversy. That should've been open to public debate and study BEFORE mandates, but we didn't get that in any shape or form, and we all know why.
You’re a better person than I am. I’m working hard tempering my looks of open hostility and muttering things like “stupid m——- f———“ when I see people clinging to the mask narrative.
It’s been more than two years of this nonsense and I am so deeply disgusted with so many people and institutions in this country that It’s difficult to contain my anger. It’s.particularly difficult when people I care about have lost jobs and more for daring to go against the orthodoxy.
As for kids and their masks, we have managed to damage irreparably an entire generation. More customers for antidepressants and anxiety medications as the years go by.
I struggle with contempt for mask wearers. I don’t think it is really a matter of personal choice. What they are doing is senseless and encourages fear, which is the whole point of masks from the beginning. I have made a few rude comments that I don’t think we’re understood by the person, that’s probably for the best. God says to love our enemies, I don’t know how in this case. I do pray for them. Maybe the reason that they wear them is the mask is a subconscious call out for help.
A talisman of a false religion. A charmaceutical intervention. Masks and needles are the icons of the death cult. The horror is in recognizing that adherents to this toxic faith do not care a whit that incalculable damage is the result of masking children and that even increasing body counts and terrible sickness can’t impact their beliefs.
Nope. The primitives didn’t care about the consequences to sacrificial children either. And they convinced the children who were to be slaughtered that there would be special rewards for them in the afterlife. Maybe it’s just me, but I see many parallels.
The worshippers of Moloch and what they did is so riddled with jewish propaganda justifying their war and subsequent genocide of competing tribes for domination of the area, that any information beyond purely archeological is about as true as the christian propaganda about the perfidy of the non-christian romans.
Or for a modern day example, moslem newscasts about Europe and North America. Heck, imagine afghan history books 200 years from now telling about the great liberation war against the foreign heathens, ahteists, apostates and polytheists.
History is what's get retold until it becomes truth. What actually happened is a different animal, and we can only know what has been recorded and can be corroborated by findings and multiple independent sources.
So looking at jewish sources for the pefidy of the tribes worshipping Moloch is a bit like reading US history written by CRT-proponents.
The biblical records indicate that the Israelites themselves, when they began worshiping other gods, Moloch included, adopted the practice of burning their own children alive. I doubt that that was propaganda.
That multiple pagan deities have been demonstrably bloodthirsty is not even a point of contention. It is established.
I’m grateful that a perfect Sacrifice has been made and laid against my account, once for all.
Dedicating the killing of an enemy in open combat was considered among the highest most fitting form of blot (pronounced 'bloot', like in Groot or smooch).
Because no matter who won, Oden would get his due.
An early JAMA paper (2020?) on masking actually used the word “talisman”. Of course, the minute the journal got castigated for it, they put up a disclaimer.
I think the evidence shows that masks have had about as much effect as a lucky rabbit’s foot.
They may be useless, but gee, they sure are a huge pollution problem. How long is it going to be before “mask pollution caused by the pandemic” is going to be used as an excuse to steal more tax money?
And the oceans will be full of those stupid plastic Covid tests. I can’t get a straw but these people can test themselves endlessly? We’ve reached peak stupidity bit soon there will be another peak.
Maybe never, simply because evil plastic bags & straws are created by capitalist pigs to make $$, while masks were a “noble” cause dreamed up by DumocRATS
One of the main instincts of us humans is the wish to belong to something greater than our own individuality. This is totally exacerbated in our adolescense.
This kid has grown in a easy environment, with no survival problems. So he looks for a way to channel that instinct, and found it in something as abstract as "protecting others" through gestures as masking himself. His sense of pride, his sense of belonging, the opinion others in his group will have of himself, all depend on wearing a fucking mask. Without it, he is just an individual. And he wants to be the meritory participant in something bigger than he is...To him, that´s more valuable than being intelligent or free.
My 15 yo grandson tried to give me a lecture on my lack of mask. I gave him a good dose of granny stink eye and he backed off. He calls himself a libertarian. I just laugh.
There is an indirect proportion between teenagers´ enthusiasm and their life experience, and it had never been a problem, because they have always had people above them who prevented their access to the public eye until they are mature enough. Sadly, social media has given them as big an amplifier as any adult has, without earning their way. This is so dangerous for their development...
With any luck at all, he'll outgrow that, but yes, at this time, not only is he particularly vulnerable just as you say, but his parents are probably helping him right along with his virtue signaling.
He's just a kid. I wish I could go back and fix some of the dumb things I did when I was his age.... but none of us can. He's wrong, but not egregiously so (no one was harmed), and I hope that's the worst thing he ever does in his life.
And DeSantis CERTAINLY was not wrong in saying what he did. I looked upon it as "putting people at ease." Which I think DeSantis is very gifted at doing.
"To him, that´s more valuable than being intelligent or free." And to your excellent analysis, wearing the mask is much, much easier than all of the effort required to achieve more than just keeping a seat warm.
Wait - Just like it was always MY right NOT to wear one the past 2 years but there was no tolerance for my rights? You do you, snowflake, & keep rebreathing CO2. Knock yourself out
Laurel and Hardy movies should be banned because their comedy is based on physical pratfalls. In today's brain dead world, people may actually believe that you can fall off a roof without getting hurt, and we can't have *that.* No comedy allowed. Stay safe! (sarcasm)
Look, it is an individuals right to distance, wear masks and/or get experimental gene therapy injected into their bodies.. I personally think its a sad state that we have suffered the worlds greatest farce, but.... The part that worries me most is the lack of choice, the tyranny, and the wholesale corruption & deception...
De Santis was not ordering him to take his mask off, he was giving permission.
It is of course the student's right, even if it is stupid and wrong, to wear a mask. The student is not being forced to go maskless, and should also not force others to wear a mask.
If people would just start to understand again that something does not become banned when it is no longer compulsory, or does not become obligatory when it becomes an option, we would be in such a better place.
The problem is the attitide:"This is the Governor. He is an Authority Figure. I must obey Authority Figures. Anything an Authority Figure says is an order because they have Authority." Which, in a warped way, may make the kid's "defiance," a marginally good sign. Hewilling to buck at least some level of authority. Of course, that may be because he been taught De Santis is an illegitimate authority figure and must therefore be defied in the name of obedience to a higher authority.
Or, even something as simple as "Woo HOO, I'm gonna be on TV! I wanna make a splash!" Of course, none of this would have been anything at all if MSNBC hadn't grabbed it and run with it.
Always looking for the lowest common denominator, they are.
Ah, and to think I typed along for ages trying to say that very same thing, up above, but didn't say it nearly as eloquently as you did here. Excellent comment! I will learn from your literary skills!
Im picking that the whole headline is fake and nobody actually complained. Just trying to have a go at DeSantis and failing miserably if that's all they can concoct.
"Of course" refers to MSNBC, not law. So, in actual answer "of course" is 100% appropriate for the sentence. They are going to do whatever to make noise. Of course.
My father does this religiously (he's hard of hearing but is mainly leveraging it to be a pain in the ass) and the results are hilarious: they invariably out of frustration eventually take it off long enough to talk and spray dad with their instant death cooties.
I'm very visual so when I'm talking with someone I need to see their face, their emotions, their lips. I've said so often during mask mandate to anyone who was talking with me with their mask, "I'm sorry mask court your mouth. I hardly understand what you're talking about." No pun intended
Look, if the kid took his mask off the moment he got yelled at to do that, he'd also be an obedient dog! Let him do whatever he wants!!
People are brainwashed and genuinely believe this is a good thing. As I start to go back into society and get out of my Gato-Berenson thought bubble, I am frightened to see what a small minority we are. In the big "out there" these dissenting opinions barely exist. It's like no one heard of them. Of course, masks are good, you can't have too many boosters, etc. etc. Are you questioning that the sun will rise in the morning? The brainwashing is appaling -- and I am talking about top scientists at elite institutions! How do you expect a kid to know better? Well, the miracle is that a few kids and their parents know better, regardless of education. I am coming to believe that this is how society ever goes forward, driven by those 10%.
Fear is a powerful emotion - many times in human history it has superseded rational thinking and just basic common sense. I see it everyday on the solo masked drivers, bikers and walkers. Fear rules their day - sad and pathetic.
I *REALLY* wanna heart your comment, Lara - for the ownership reversal thing you did there. But I've gotten to the point where my hands have come out yucky... and I've bagged/tagged it on the neighbor's fence. I'm up to here (hand above my head) in dealing with it. gaaaah..
I like it. But besides the cameras they have out front, laws against pooping in public, my DNA results are being shared in a publicly available database. If only I could find a volunteer... Lara?
I’m still suspicious of him. Many pols do seemingly good just for political capital. Well. Most. Until they get the power. So I’m reserving judgment. I’m too cynical now. Gee, wonder where I got that.
It’s not a Right, it’s a freedom. We have to start teaching people Freedom is not a Right, Licence is not a Right. Rights under Common Law are passive which nobody has an obligation to provide, it’s legislation that establishes positive Rights which places an obligation to provide - usually the State. And under Common Law you may not trample on the Rights of others in the exercise of your Rights: my Right to swing my fist, stops where your nose starts.
2 years governments, media, and health officials pounded covid into peoples heads. Unsurprisingly, when they finally pull the nail out some folks really did buy into it all and will be lost for the near future, social apparitions who don't understand what is happening and why. I feel sorry for them - but will lock horns with them if they try to wind the clock back
Oh, and to our betters who created these monsters, your time will come
"betters?" In their minds only.....I don't have any "betters," and would never consider calling them that. Surely you wouldn't really, either? (Otherwise, I agree 100%)
Today, the mask mandate in Queensland (Australia) was lifted. I went down to the Gold Coast for a bit of shopping, and was so relieved to see so many people back to normal. However, there were of course the expected handful of hypnotised ones still wearing masks. Which is ok - but here is the kicker: HALF of them were wearing their masks under their noses (or worse - one had it down around his neck).
Truly, my hopes for humanity reached a new low... the zombie apocalypse has surely arrived!
Good for you australians! Here's to hoping the shame of being fooled and coerced shakes enough people out of their torpor and riles them up enough that they want to get even with your governement and other unprintables.
Here, the perpetually panicked have bought up all iodine - of all kinds no less - from the pharmacies. In case of Russia deciding to launch nuclear weapons.
And the worst of them are calling for governement to seize control of all markets and start rationing, and for officials to go house to house and take inventory of whatever you have stored to ensure equal and fair distribution.
Tried to like the comment, but the heart won't light up. Wonderful to hear, Mara! Great news. Up here in Canuckistan we are still forced to mask but our vax passport was lifted this week. Today dh and I went to WallyMart and strolled maskless once again, as we do so appreciate hard stares :^) As we were exiting with our bags, we passed an in-store MacDonald's. Dh suggested we go in for lunch. I snorted and said, "Yeah, right. In your dreams," until I realized I could actually take this unvaxxed body into a restaurant once again. I despise MacDonald's but quickly said yes and we walked in - albeit cautiously as we were certain security alarms would start mee-mawing - but the entry was uneventful - and let me add, it was one wonderful Big Mac!
I don't think "down around his neck" is "worse." Maybe he forgot (or missed the news) which day was face-freedom day, automatically put his mask on, only to see a sea of faces for the 1st time in 2 years. So pulled his down in sheer relief in the fastest way possible.
And the ones with their noses free... maybe just need a little time to wean themselves. Testing the fresh air first. Like sticking your toes in the water 1st. At least they're making an effort to wake up & smell the coffee!
I am not sure they are actually making that effort. I think more likely they are afraid not to continue what they are used to. But maybe - just maybe - it's a step in the right direction! I'm in Texas where mask mandates aren't a thing, and still we have a lot of people wearing masks. I'm like, OK whatever makes you happy, but I am not wearing one.
Hello, all you kind - though misguided - people defending this boy's right to wear a mask. Do I have a right to wear a balaclava when I go to the bank? Or do we recognise that masks spread fear and shouldn't be worn without need?
Unless this student was likely to be accused of robbing a bank, while out in the open, wearing a mask and several people around, he should be left alone to wear a mask if he chooses. Not only is it none of our business, (and certainly it's not up to us to decide what other people "need,") WE ARE NOT MISGUIDED in saying people should be left alone to do as they choose, as long as they are harming no one.
Everything you said can also be said of a person's right to own and carry a gun. No, people aren't allowed to wear a balaclava - OR A GUN - to the bank, generally speaking, but this has not until recently carried over into life away from a bank. It should have ALWAYS been this way.
There's a reason a balaclava isn't allowed at a bank (*nor should masks be allowed at a bank either) but when one is away from the bank, either is allowable, IMO. Because it's not MY or your business to decide what someone else wears, as long as the private parts are covered.
It's no better to demand that a person NOT wear something than it is to demand that they DO wear something. (Edited to add: But I certainly don't think DeSantis was wrong in anything he did.)
Nonsense. I am absolutely in favor of making one's own choices. That is NOT riding the fence. You are choosing to throw out the baby with the bath water.
Private companies have rights to make decisions about who can enter their premises, and dress codes on their premises (no shoes? No shirt! No service!)
Such as "No Blacks"? Or "Blacks Only" for that matter. I'm not so sure you'd be okay with that if you're a USAmerican, but I reserve the right for you to prove me wrong.
I'll rephrase that they have dress code rights. Pre-covid masks & bacalavas were not allowed in banks. For a while there I remember seeing "no hats" on bank signs. Tough in January in Maine. And my entire life I've seen "no shirts, no service" & " no shoes, no service" at beachside restaurants from Jersey to Maine.
I'll happily give you that - and a big thank you for being the bigger man (or woman but who knows these days). Of course there is a huge difference between "No shirt no service" and "Juden Verboten": a shirt you can take on or off, being jewish or white or black or whatever isn't a shirt.
Which puts the jab in an interesting spot, don't you think? Since it doesn't protect against spread of infection, one cannot argue that "No vaxxx no service" is valid. On the other hand, getting injected is (still) voluntary (though the spirit of 'volunatry' has been violated to the point of needing a rape counselor) so from that angle denial of service pending status is valid.
About the balaclava, as I think I replied to someone else - call it a hijab, a burkha or simply a veil that's a religious requirement and hey ho the bank is violating your freedom of religion. :) Hilarious doesn't begin to describe it, especially if you obviously is a white male claiming to be an arab moslem woman.
Tell that kid he has to wear the mask for the rest of his life, just to be on the safe side. Insist he follow through with it. That if he ever has kids (if his sperm still works, if the womens uterus still functions) those kids will also be masked their WHOLE lives. Go with it.
I dunno... When I was in the military, I was issued "BC's" - Birth Control glasses. I imagine a mask will probably be a much more effective device at preventing a sexual encounter where sperm CAN play a role when approached by someone of the opposite gender. (Oh dear, did I just anthropomorphize sperm?)
The kicker is in the interview DeSantis gave the next day (I think it might've been to Tucker Carlson?): he had seen these kids just prior to the event, and none of them were wearing masks. It was patently obvious that someone made them put them on for the cameras. Given that, I'd say his reaction makes even more sense than it already did.
They forgot to mention that one of the guys in the front row just after his mic stand immediately ripped the thing off once he heard that, and looked quite pleased. That's a tie.
Um... (to that "student") no one has ever said you *couldn't* wear your ridiculous mask that identifies you as a cowardly slave to a system that is doing it's best to destroy every good thing we had in the world. All most of us have been saying is masks should have *never* been mandatory. If masks were a way to stop disease of any kind, we would have been born with one (oh, that's right, we were... tonsils, adenoids, mucus, tiny hairs in our sinus passages, etc). Or, for the die hard Darwinists, we would have evolved with a big flap over our face. This mask insanity was one of the most effective mind screwings ever conceived by these devilish social engineers. And man did it work on most of the population. My disappointment with most of humanity over the last 2 years is something I don't think I'll ever recover from.
And when is the CDC going to reveal that cloth masks are totally ineffective and that N95s are marginally effective at best? Maybe that would help the fear.
I've read - but you know how that is - that people tend to stick by their original opinions, once convinced of a stance, whether right or wrong. I don't think the CDC can say a single thing that will help in this instance. At this point no one believes anything they say anyway, and most of us believe we'd ALL be better off if they would go find a nice tall cliff to jump off, like the lemmings they have proven to be.
These kids are parroting their #Democrat parents. The whole situation was a set up to catch DeSantis in a photo like Stacey Abrams with kids with masks on behind a mask less DeSantis. Only problem is DeSantis recognized it and stole their thunder. It was #brilliant And now they’re pissed off they got caught.
Speaking of that dog and leash thingy: Wasn't it only a few years ago that the media were talking about those vicious Ukrainian gangs infesting all of Europe with their drug and human trafficking? How abused Ukrainian girls were hooking at every truck stop from Romania to Calais? How these guys made the Mexican cartels look like traveling Bible salesmen?
And now every cable channel is featuring brave wonderfully English-speaking Ukrainian moms holding their newborns while they talk to anchors for hours?
I mean, look. I'm considerably upset about the death and destruction. The blood and bones of my ancestors are in that soil. My grandma spoke Yiddish, Ukrainian and Russian and her journey here was harrowing and my mom just managed to be born here. Thinking of that journey of a young pregnant woman who'd survived the pogroms and the Ukrainian Civil War silences me whenever I feel cranky about things.
But seriously. Something smells here like herring left out in the sun for a fortnight. Talk about the "look, a squirrel!" bait-'n-switch thingy!
It was tragic to see some of the students looking around as they removed their masks, as if they needed group approval. A few were wearing their mask as if they were not going to be fooled into becoming ill or more likely worried what others might think. Modern society has most certainly damaged a lot of children who now have difficulty in thinking for themselves. While the uncertainties of middle school force great conformity, by high school and college they need to become themselves.
In Japan, and I suspect in many countries, "This way of thinking stems not from simple vanity, but from anxiety. One 20-year-old woman interviewed during that survey insists that she will never give up wearing a mask because she is no longer brave enough to show her real face in public. Overhearing a group of men express disappointment at seeing her face when she removed her mask to eat at a restaurant, she became depressed. She says she would rather wear a mask than subject her real face to public scrutiny and open herself up to criticism."
His first words were "You do not have to wear those masks." Maybe he should have left it at that. But saying "please take them off... it's not doing anything...this is theater... this is ridiculous" (all true!) is what I think people are upset about. True, he said, "if you want to wear them, fine," but by then if it was clear that those who chose to keep their masks on were fools. Which they are. But it's humiliating, nonetheless.
I can see how some of the more, uh... "sensitive" students may have felt pressure to take their masks off when they really aren't comfortable, which is another issue altogether. Those who announce that they are keeping their masks on in spite of lifted mandates is, in my opinion, an indication of mental instability. We're just able to point them out more easily now. Like this nut: https://www.instagram.com/p/CasRrMnuLXB/?utm_medium=copy_link
I ABSOLUTELY despise masks and I have let people in my company know that if they would like to remove their masks around me, they are more than welcome to do so and I leave it at that. Some still keep their masks on.
As much as I want to tell strangers to take their masks off, it's really no less of an A-hole thing to do than for a stranger to tell me to put one on.
You never had a mask Nazi Ken or Karen tell you to put one on in the past 2 years? Even if you didn’t, I felt the same “humiliation” being forced to wear one. This imbecile has a choice; by mandate those of us who believed in bodily autonomy theoretically did not (I never wore one but the mandate was always there & many businesses enforced)
Where of where was this student’s independent and rebellious spirit for the last two years! I have never understood how these students did not put up more of a fight as we took away all their freedoms and cast the aside without a thought.
Who’s paying the bills. They are totally leashed in so many ways. They will look for the leash when they are out of school as well. Why I’m glad I won’t be around by the time they are trying to leash others.
Kudos to DeSantis. Bullying? No. If the child wanted to leave it on because that’s what his mother told him. So be it. If, I had a nickle every time my kids listened to me. Haha.
Why? Because children tend to believe what their parents tell them. WE (the parents) have had a large portion of our lives without masks, and even still a huge number of adults actually have believed this crap from the beginning. And... they taught their children, who have been exposed to this same garbage for a very large percentage of their lives. The more reasonable question is "why wouldn't they think that?" So, let's laugh at the idiot adults, not the children who are doing what most children do... believe their parents.
Unfortunately I know what's going on all too well.
This is called Market Capture. I would recommend any thinkers take Computer and Economic/Business processes and apply it to the psychological aspects of Covid19 including anything to do with how the Vaccine works. This effort was a result of the coldest parts of humanity, understanding it from there may help the eventual mental health situation.
Depending how deep your read, the West may just become a Zoo for the vaccinated because they will be gone from us. Totally addicted to the system and due to the DDOS of dopamine destroyed mind they can't actually even make the decision to stop the psychosis - they don't even have time to form the complex ideas required to break the spell so to say. They can quote and refer to other material, but they cannot create their own unique idea.
That is because the mom probably got the worse than useless "vaccine" and her son didn't so he is a leper and needs to wear a mask around the oldsters. Once he gets the worse than useless vaccine he can stop wearing a mask and both mom and son can go around spewing the common cold just like humans have done for centuries.
Apparently there is even a study that many people find others with masks more attractive. Looking at some of those people I can even understand it - hoping I don’t have to hold up the SARCASM sign.
That's probably the most reasonable assessment of the situation. The student found an opportunity to get noticed and to make a political point (aided by parents?)
I think it's more than Stockholm syndrome. These people have enjoyed the privilege of bullying their peers, and feeling virtuous for doing so, for two years now. They really don't want to give it up.
Ron specifically said that they could wear them if they want to. Saying he was 'caught on hot mic" implies that Ron said something which he didn't want broadcast, which isn't true.
I laughed when I saw the video of DeSantis calling out the stupidity of mask wearing among young people. DeSantis is right. Sometimes truth is the truth and no crying and whining can change that.
quite right! - he specifically denounced the mask "theater" - it was counter-theater - finally!
Since when do communists care about trurth? MSNBC LOL
Plus he said there was no need to wear a mask. Nothing Ron said was untrue. Everything the media, the lame mother and not college worthy kid said is true. And it wasn’t a hot mic because he knew it on.
Yes but the MSM angle is that he was "bullying" them. These aren't junior high school kids but college students. Amazing how children are supposedly wise enough to take puberty blockers but you can't say something mildly critical to an adult without being a bully. One of these adult's mom was all over the news attacking DeSantis. Poor kid will probably be in his mom's basement until he's thirty.
Somebody sent them out there all masked up like that as a back drop, probably a school administrator to make the Gov look bad. DeSantis rightly called bullshit, and the students took off their masks with sheepish grins on their faces. This guy is defiantly one of a kind unlike most spineless politicians.
They were high school kids attending a college conference was my understanding, but still the ‘kid’ was 17 and also looked like he was saying what his over-bearing mom wanted him to say.
Funny that she wasn’t wearing a mask.
He can also be seen on video taking off his mask and smiling afterward.
Thanks for clarifying that, my mistake in that since it was at a college I assumed they were students there.
40, more likely
Or as expressed by the Babylon Bee headline: "Ron DeSantis Bullies Kids Into Doing Whatever They Want"
This week the elementary/middle school where I teach finally went “mask optional.” Everyone pretty much knew I would be happy since I’d been caught referring to “face diapers” in my middle school classes and refused to comply with a “masks for the unvaccinated” policy. But it was a sad week for me as 95% of my colleagues and 98% of the students kept the masks on. As the week went on some students got lazier with their “mask-up diligence” but for many it was clear that the fear and the compliance has been internalized — or as is suggested the mask is now a security blanket (and a powerful one for the pre-adolescent and adolescent coping with acne and insecurity). It was lonely and sad.
Tell them studies show the masks cause acne.
Might not work. They'd just wear the mask to cover up the acne! A lady friend of mine was really bummed out when mask "mandates" were dropped. I asked why? The answer: She doesn't like putting makeup on. If that doesn't speak volumes as to one of the reasons we are where we are, I don't know what does.
Guess what lady! Mask or no mask, you don't actually have to wear makeup! I haven't worn makeup in years except rare special occasions involving dressing up (such as job interviews and funerals) or Halloween (and not necessarily "pretty" makeup then). No one has given me crap about it, if they did I'd point out I don't owe it to anyone to coat my skin in chemical gunk to be a supernormal stimulus for their viewing pleasure, and my skin tbh is a lot better off for it.
Wear makeup if you want to, that's fine, but its not mandatory in any case. I always feel sad at how many women think they "have to".
It was always fun to see my late wife put on eye makeup for special occasions. As a special ed teacher she never wore any makeup. Back when she was an executive at a major company she used a minimum of makeup. She said in her acting days, when she was 20-30's she had to wear the stuff so the back rows could see emotion. Later she said there were no more back rows. I was attracted to her intelligence and wit, not appearance. Couldn't break her attraction to liberal causes however. I did respect them and we often agreed to disagree.
I like natural skin. Also, without all the makeup, the skin tends to be healthier.
The ones who are lazy about putting it on, are likely to be lazy about cleaning it off, to their detriment.
You have the right approach - you know how and when to use it, but prefer not to. Bravo ma'am.
My problem was the bad water. Hard water doesn't dissolve anything properly and doesn't rinse properly,so the more I tried to wash,even without makeup, the worse it got. And our water is hard enough to damn near walk on without a decent softener. And then I'd put on makeup to hide the acne sores,which just made them more numerous and prominent. Type of makeup or soap didn't even make a difference. The iron would also soak into my hair and make it brittle. And since no one else had these physiological quirks of sensitive skin and absorbant hair, no one cared to fix the problem until it threatened the plumbing system a decade or two later.
But yeah, once I got out of the habit of wearing makeup all the time, I never went back, even when the water improved. I have gone back to using face care products though, which has been nice. (Oatmeal and avocado masks feel amazing!)
YIKES thanks for the permission lol! i never would of guessed in a million years it's not mandatory! i only wear it to hide the acne caused by the mask.
Not giving permission, just always a bit stunned and sad at how many think they have to wear makeup, as in being so ingrained it never occurs to them its not a requirement on the level of "wear clothes when you leave the house".
I've been in that "hiding the acne" situation, it sucks. In my case it made the acne worse because of our heavily iron-laden water and failing softener, so washing it off properly just wasn't gonna happen.
I've found that borage oil is a great moisturizer and got rid of a bad combo of acne/eczema for me. It's a nutritional supplement, I break a capsule and apply to my face & where ever else I need it.
how sad for them.
that's why i wear them. :) we love our mathkth.
THAT would work!
Which is all the more reason for them to wear them, to cover up the acne.
Hard to forgive the Coronamaniacs for the harm they've caused.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/ill-never-forgive-the-coronamaniacs?s=w
I’ll forgive the corona maniacs the day that an obese diabetic walks up to me and says thank you for the extraordinary efforts to compensate for their lack of care for their own health.
When asked/told by an obese 30 yr old in a home depot hardware aisle to “put your mask on”, I considered a trade - you 10 pushups, me mask on. But it struck me that was a bit like Biden, so I walked away.
lol!
Right? Many of the comorbidities are self inflicted wounds that have been encouraged by the government and food industry such as highly processed foods, the coolness of smoking, you get my point. Unfailing trust in doctors as pillars of knowledge is another problem. I don’t know about anyone else but my doctor is at least 75 pounds over weight and take a tremendous number of pharmaceuticals. I use him as a means to an end to get what I want. But trust him as an educated provider? No way
Wow! Any self knowledge there?
I'll have to forgive the family members I love deeply if they ever wake up. But the scars will remain and never go away, and along with them, I suspect, will stay at least a small taste of bitterness. Others, whom I had considered friends and respected, I can't imagine feeling anything for but lasting contempt.
In Canada where I live, we're about 2-3 weeks away from an official lifting of the mask mandate. The other day, for the first time, I went to 2 grocery stores without my mask. I was nervous but it felt so good. I was the only one in the stores without a mask but no one said anything. Hopefully, the people who saw me will get inspired to do the same.
Church is another matter. I attend 2 churches. At 1 church, I've seen someone get kicked out for not wearing a mask - on Christmas day no less when ironically the priest's sermon was 'drop your security blanket and trust in the Lord'. The other church has a priest that sees through the non sense but doesn't want the church closed so asks us to mask up. Both churches have congregations that are mask enthusiasts to say the least and have already expressed fear about dropping the masks.
It will take time but I think when people see that we're not dropping dead everywhere, the masks will go, especially summertime.
Thankfully the church I attend has been wise to the dangers of statism for many years…despite an initial compliance in 2020, we have long since resisted the silliness and sinfulness of this moment. Still waiting for the mass deaths…..
Can you share general location? Quebec (Canada) actually had a vaxx pass requirement over Christmas for attendance. Douglas Farrow wrote on his substack that some pastors rather held services outside, and Quebec gets cold, for everyone rather than divide their congregations.
Southern Ontario. Those who want to abide by the ‘rules’ have their own space in the church, where they can do so without judgment…the rest of us worship freely.
Great to hear. I'm Southern Ont. as well. I have a feeling the churches I alluded to will have separate spaces for us rule breakers. I hope I'm wrong...I'll let you know!
I am so sorry about the churches. I realize that I have no right to apologize for the ministers and priests that kicked people out but I guess I will anyway. I apologize on behalf of all the ministers and priests and the congregations that sinned in this way. Please forgive us for seeking after our own righteousness instead of the Lord's. In our defense, we have been quite confused about justification for oh...the past two thousand years or so and have gotten things twisted round. God is so faithful though, anything good in all Western Civilization comes from Jesus and Jesus alone. And I will also say this, the Lord has been faithful to his bride the church even when she is seriously confused. He does not desert her and that's why she does wonderful things sometimes; that's why she is a breath of fresh air and a place of hope each and every first day of the week i.e. Sunday.
We will never forgive them. The corona-voters (all of them) are the reason we are in this hell.
Give it a week. I’m hoping you’ll notice what I did - that they slowly came off. It almost seems that some adolescents hide behind them? That it allows them to disengage? The youngest kids couldn’t take them off fast enough and are on with their lives. The adult hanger onners either are scared or virtue signaling? These are my thoughts, observing people in my day to day (I’m not a teacher). In general though, after a week, most have ripped them off in my world. It’s striking to see smiles/teeth again.
I think that's largely true. No human will keep up a charade that limits their breath and itches their face, it's just UNBELIEVEABLE these petty tyrants were able to succeed in doing it at all. Outside no less.
Not so sure. Some people like self-abuse, self-mutilation. Those with studs through the tongue and a ring in the roof of the moth with a chain between. And piercings elsewhere which I won’t detail in the polite company of this blog. Hair shirts have always been popular among the self-righteous, expressing their great virtue. CoVid, no doubt in my mind, is a new religion for some - complete with superstitious, ritual hand cleansing in shop doorways: Oh Lord wash away my iniquity.
All those things you describe rather pale in comparison to what many ancient peoples, and quite a few still extant "primitive" tribes do in the name of decoration, body sculpture, religious and/or ceremonial meaning and so on. You'll have to do your own research if you want specifics. Not for the faint of heart.
Had me giggle at the vision of piercings. I am in awe at what some people will do. Some of that is simple counter-cultural.
Yeah, but masks will never have the perceived coolness factor as piercings. (No, I don't have those because omg the horror, but in terms of image they do have qualities wearing a surgical mask everywhere is never going to have, whether its "coolness" or "shock value").
Never again
Here in England it’s jut over a month since mask mandates and all but a few restrictions (self-isolating) were lifted. I never wore a mask so I was usually just one or two of us rebels in my local supermarket. The mask zombies carried on as normal, but about two weeks ago, there was a definite larger minority not wearing. This last week I’d say it is about 50:50 including more staff not wearing them. I do feel there will be some who will wear them for ever.
Spring is in the air? I’ve noticed on warmer days, less masking.
Agoraphobia (the fear of open spaces) is a well documented condition often caused by being locked up for too long. Needs medical attention. Bigly!
Forced Insanity.
Yes, I think mask wearing is a new form of phobia that is a combination of mysophobia and agoraphobia. Those who continue to wear them despite acknowledgement of their in effectiveness is not unlike a child who is comforted by their teddy bear, security blanket or pacifier.
Absolutely. I bothered me for 20 months. I finally gave up on it bothering me realizing I was being almost as stupid having it ruin my state of mind
It was disturbing to me to see all the mask wearers walking around like compliant automaton drones. I felt like one of the few who had managed to avoid being bitten by a zombie or managed to avoid being transformed into one of the pod people by the alien life form.
At the rate that consumer inflation is picking up (not seen in 40 years!) agoraphobia may soon reclaim its original (Greek) meaning: "fear of the marketplace." 😠
The psychological mechanisms in play are profound and my students have had three years of their educational program interrupted and disrupted. A week sounds too optimistic, unfortunately. But I hope you are right. A further thing to consider is that decent people have an impulse to protect the other…as such, parents may enforce their kid’s masking “in order to protect the teacher” and teachers may remain masked up “in order to protect student Sally’s grandmother” — opportunities for human communication about such things (using, say, authoritative sources of data and trusted information) have been reduced and diminished and the damage this has caused is yet untold. I am trying to lead by example and not violate my own principles at the same time, so when in the classroom I hear a BS claim from some 7th grader (which happens, oh, about every 90 seconds) — I tell the truth.
Agree - the psychological mechanisms are profound. Just because the masks are coming off doesn’t undo the damage and I’m not feeling secure in where we are headed. Things are not all better and back to normal. Saddens me but then I’m hopeful when I realize there are teachers like you out there. I’ve been sensing there are few like you (at least where I live) and I hope you stay the course. You are needed and will make a difference.
Yes. I, too, am sad about the level of fear, anxiety & guilt we've foisted off on the young & previously healthy. What other propaganda are they going to buy hook, line, & sinker over their lifetimes because they've been conditioned to live in perpetual fear?
We've created so much increased or novel mental illness in this country. Big Pharma is going to love that, too. Already touting some "Prolonged Grief Disorder" BS. We pathologize everything.
It will just another reason to dope them up with antidepressants and anxiolytics.
And parents will think they are helping. Because somehow we've all forgotten that corporate America isn't out there trying to win good citizenship awards. They are creating profits for shareholders.
That often means some unscrupulous things go down: groundwater pollution, PFAS EVERYWHERE in our bodies, Round Up in our food supply, and a bunch of people taking psych drugs proven by independent sources to lack efficacy which are still somehow addictive and have terrible additional side effects.
I'm not saying there is never a place for psych drugs. If you are about to off yourself, are a danger to others, or are hallucinating giant fanged funky purple winkerbeans (and are not enjoying the experience), have at it. But do not trust the people pushing the pills. Do your own research. Figure out your own treatment parameters. Do you think you need pills for life? (Most don't.) How will you taper off of them? (Your doc won't help. More research for you.)
My husband and I refused anti-depressant drugs for our son. I’m glad we did. He’s still moody but not addicted to drugs.
I really have seen some people struggle with getting off antidepressants, to the point where they stopped trying because they couldn't function with the withdrawal symptoms.
It has to be so tough.
I actually have come to question whether there IS a place for psych drugs. The tyranny we have seen over Covid, esp by those hospitalized and forced to accept failed protocols and forbidden access to potentially life saving alternatives has long been experienced by psychiatric patients and those deemed cognitively impaired. I used to think it had to do with our misguided dependence on moral autonomy and reason based concepts of personhood. I now see that the victims of psychiatric abuse reflect broader powers of tryranny to which all of us are subject. Now to pull together to defeat it without destroying ourselves by inadvertently (or not) reproducing the tyranny!
There IS a place for psych drugs. They can help, they must be carefully used, of course. I myself have the "major depressive disorder." Hate the ominous term for inheriting depression, thanks to an alcoholic father whose mother drank heavily while he was in the womb. The Rx is a Godsend. My sister-in-law is bipolar; careful dosing and monitoring allows her to live a creative and service-oriented life. But yes, "mental health" difficulties are both under diagnosed and undertreated, and over diagnosed in say, children and ADHD when parents and schools want instant compliance and believe a pill gives it, instead of parenting and reinforcing desired behaviors which takes work and time. I'm old enough to remember when teachers dealt with classroom behavior and parents expected their children to behave appropriately in school so backed teacher authority in the classroom. Children suspended from school was rare.
That's a very complex issue. There was a case years ago of a man who was in the middle of a severe paranoid schizophrenic episode and committed a grotesque murder. He was released about only a few years later as he was deemed innocent by way of insanity and considered not a threat as long as he took is medication. Problem was, the man was left completely to his own supervision regarding medication and given a new identity. I wouldn't want to be his neighbour.
I absolutely agree that it is complicated. And the literature on mental illness and dangerousness remains mixed. However, I would venture to say that the majority of those subject to psychiatric tyranny are not dangerous. MindFreedom International has been working for decades in this issue.
Or him. Hope he gets the help he needs.
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“And are not enjoying the experience” Love it
And all this for something that is 99.7% survivable. Seriously???
We know this. If you asked, I think you'd discover that a lot of people believe the fatality rate is something like 30%.
And that is including all those poor souls who were vented needlessly
I keep thinking that, while I think about my friend who is proudly and publicly (on social media) afraid to venture farther than his backyard without a mask
Getting rid of the TV goes a long way to avoid brainwashing. However, peer pressure or societal pressure is very, very strong.
Teaching kids to think for themselves and to be independent is critical I believe.
I also think that we're all a lot more brainwashed than we realize. A book I read quite some time ago asserted that the world we live in isn't the world that God created but rather a world of our own making. There's an awful lot of truth in that: just consider that Klaus Schwab and his pals want to correct God's errors and redesign us in his image.
That's a really interesting comment. On my podcast Bump in the Road, I've interviewed a number of people who have had near death experiences. And they all ultimately, in one form or another, say that God/Spirit/Universe whatever you want to call it is about the power of love and deep connection. And that is the polar opposite of what we're seeing. Perhaps that is why so many of us sense evil.
For anyone that's interested, the NDE stories are David Maginley (his books amazing); Mary Neal, MD; Cherie Aimee; and Barbara Harris Whitfield at BumpInTheRoad.us
And definitely turn off the TV! It's hazardous to your health on so many levels!
Yes, evil is very strong these days. I don't think you have to be a sandwich board carrying street corner evangelist shouting 'repent, the end is near!' to realize that the end of life as we've known it truly is near. The NWO is an evil concoction that can only be defeated by truth, love, perseverance, compassion and prayer. It won't be easy.
Following your podcast. thanks!
Thank you!
Here's flight attendant unions insisting that the mask requirements stay even if recommendations change. https://www.theblaze.com/news/feds-airline-mask-mandate-flight-attendants-union-ignore-cdc
Having been hassled by a few because mine crept down after snagging on my facial hair, I'm of the opinion that they're seeing the teacher's union tactics and loving the power and don't want to give it up. Would love to hear a flight attendant's perspective.
They love the power too.
Perverts, if you asked me. Messed up in their heads. Need a qualified psychiatrist to pinpoint what it is called in Latin.
The worst thing about Covid was the masks don't hide male pattern baldness.
You mean… your’re not supposed to wear them over your head? You’ll be saying next they shouldn’t be worn as chin-warmers or used to polish the screens of mobile phones.
I quit caring about my bald spots long ago. On more than one occasion, I've shaved everything off whether for a fundraiser like St. Baldrick's or just because.
You obviously weren't wearing them "correctly".
Funny!
Butterface is real! :)
We have all seen videos of animals caged for long periods who are hesitant to leave the “safety” of the cage when the door is finally opened and freedom is but a step away. Another explanation is that students are simply waiting to see how their classmates respond, particularly those in their social groups or with high social status. Herd mentality and peer pressure are barriers to independent thought and action. Give it time.
And your analogy is particularly apt with respect to children: birds reared in cages don’t know how to fly.
Here's an example of that, from today: We hosted 3 orphans from Ukraine for a month over Christmas. They begged not to have to return, but they were required to do so, and friends of ours began the adoption process to bring them home forever, which they wanted. Now that they're in a war, the oldest, a teen, feels she cannot leave her home country and her people. She's already forgotten what it was like to live free. Maybe the familiarity is more comforting than the unknown, even though leaving her current situation would be safer.
"Live free?" Explain, please.
I apologize that I wasn’t clear. She had a month of living in a family, with lots of love, safety, freedom to play, to eat what she chose, be out in the community…for two years they’ve been restricted not only in an orphanage, where they don’t make their own choices, but confined to the orphanage due to coronavirus. After being here for a month, she and her siblings begged to stay, even though that wasn’t allowed but someone began pursuing adoption of them. After six weeks back at the orphanage, she no longer wanted to leave it, even though she will be turned out onto the street this fall if she does return to Ukraine. I hope that makes sense. The familiarity trumps freedom.
Thanks! I see now. Yes. A type of Stockholm Syndrome. We crave routine and normalcy often in whatever form it comes.
Yes, exactly.
I suspect her motivations are more to try to help protect her peers doing whatever she can. Given a taste of a different life, she may be more than willing to pickup a weapon to try to create a new condition more to her liking.
98% is horrifying.
The mandate was finally lifted in our county, though the city center was the only place where people have been wearing them. I had to go downtown to volunteer at a charity which is mostly staffed by young people, probably in their 20s. The masks are no longer required but I was the only person not wearing one. It breaks my heart.
I get it! I was shocked then saddened that most were still wearing their masks (thought at first that I had the day wrong?). It took about a week for the majority to show their faces. And I also noticed that the younger adults were the last to let go. Don’t despair!
It will change and it requires people like us to bring with us website or documentation that masks do nothing. It is up to those of use awake to teach those who are asleep OR WE'LL ALL BE SCREWED> We now all have this job!
But how? I have tried, however gently and get repeatedly (gently) rebuffed. I am saddened to see my former university students uncritically submitting their brains and bodies..
Is it though for them? Think back to your tween years. The slave masks are just cool fashion trends for them. Bell bottoms for their face. Yes they are ridiculous and useless but it's what the cool kids are wearing. When these young uns look back at a picture of them sporting the slave masks when they were young they will think why did I ever wear them. So ugly.' Just like bell bottoms.
Be careful - bell bottoms are about to become trendy again! They say fashion trends reappear every 20-30 years, and bell bottoms are overdue.
I really can't talk. The 80s had this lovely neon phase. 🤣
And Don Johnson's sockless wearing of topsiders.
Kipper ties; ridiculously wide jacket lapels; Ugg Boots; 6” platform soles; glam-rock; pogo-sticks… gender-benders already back in fashion… good old days.
Did Ugg boots go out of style? And no one told me?? The horrors.
What about crocs?!
Ugh
Actually, I think wearing macrame was the more disturbing trend. And leisure suits! 🤣
Dang. I loved that cheap polyester leisure suit in a great shade of mauve. Couldn't get power blue at the time.
You can now! (It's never too late to help a brother achieve his dreams. Amiright?)
Indeed. Just looked on Amazon. Didn't find powder blue, but a florescent green caught my eye. Party suits from $42!
oh please
True. But I still like bell bottoms
Me too, ha ha!
I think you may be right. I’m sure some kids think it dress-up, like Halloween, masks. The problem is they are made to wear them when they are not fun, but uncomfortable, and very small children who don’t want them are forced to wear them, slapped or otherwise punished maybe if they try to take them off.
I was surprised not to long ago when a friend suddenly started to wear his mask all the time. He was quite anti narrative so it really surprised me. Turns out, he was in the middle of major dental work and didn't want to show a toothless grin. I saw him recently grinning from ear to ear sans mask showing off his new pearly whites. A neighbour has the same predicament.
I frequently have to ride a train to work. I'm an anti-masker, but am forced to wear it on rails (and gets enforced by the police there - you get off, or accept the mask they give you if you don't have one.)
I usually wear it down under my nose. But I'll admit, there have been some smelly riders (booze, BO, marijuana, fecal matter, etc) where I am glad I have a mask to put over my nose.
Good point. One friend would never wear masks outside and is now doing so. I’m a little worried about him.
Everything has its time and place LOL!
Now with that fear internalized, and petty authoritarians finding they like it with US politics requiring a shift off COVID for Dems mid-term strategy a new target was needed and the psychosis switched to Ukraine and Russia. Banning russian cats, kicking russian disabled our of special oympics, removing Russian authors from syllabuses, I asssume Russian salad dressing is 86'd also.
Can’t read Tolstoy’s “War and Peace” - that features Napoleon‘s invasion of Russia but we all know that Russia is always the aggressor.
A friend who is a chaplain in Mariupol, and also cares for many orphans, compared the invasion to a scene in “War and Peace.” He says the aggressors didn’t anticipate the spirit of the people.
How do we internalise a fear of rope and lamp posts in our political class and the scientific clerisy?
Conditioning to ingrain a different behavior requires action repetition. Currently conditioning for TPTB is all going the other way...repeated transgressions against others and enrichment from corruption with no consequence.
Hopefully no student fakes an Andromeda Strain attack after pulling the mask off. That would cement the fear in many of them for a good while.
I spoke with a store employee yesterday who said the masks had given her acne and I commiserated with her about my “maskne”, which didn’t last long because my masking didn’t.
She said she’s too self-conscious now to take it off because of the maskne
Makes me think we need a new campaign. "We love you and Your Acne! Take off your mask now!"
Or call it
Diagnosis: Maskne.
Prescription: Mask removal
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That's so sad that she's trapped in this prison she's allowed herself to stay in. It will go away shortly. There's a brighter future ahead!
My wife does covid testing for one job, and laser aesthetics for the other (along with botox injections, etc), so she gets very self conscious about that kind of stuff too. She's gotten past it. She has a lot of patients I'd call vain (partly why they go to her), and I haven't heard much from her about this type of issue. I hope she'll not feel alone in this, and take a breath of fresh air, which she (and her skin) needs. Good luck Boots!
Gald she feels better about it . I’m sure she’s lovely
Thanks. I told her I can’t wait to see her face
Very sad indeed. My county no longer needs to wear a mask and I was shocked at how many shoppers at the Safeway love their masks.
They should be compelled to walk around with babies’ dummies in their mouths and fed from baby bottles at meal times and confined to play pens.
If it reduced the 99.x chance of not succumbing to Covid, they would probably do it in deep blue counties and states.
Blind obedience was always the point
This is the most frightening part, and it's been far too successful.
What are these virtue-signaling snowflakes going to do when mask-wearing political cachet plummets? Tattoo themselves with blue-and-yellow flags, I suppose.
Will be interesting if the new spin in favor of mask wearing is that they protect from radiation after a nuclear bomb.
Ah the days we hid under the chairs. This would be easier. My knees aren’t what they used to be. 🤔😵💫
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I'm Umm... A bit circumferentially challenged (pat, pat) to fit under such places anymore.
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In France - a nation of hypochondriacs - pharmacies are now promoting iodine pills for the coming nuclear apocalypse. I have no doubt there will be plenty of takers.
Potassium iodide works for quickly passing particulate from fallout from the body. I've kept a two-week supply with our camping gear for years (infinite shelf life in a tinted bottle).
It won't stop you from being blown to bits by an explosion or from direct radiation. You need a cloth mask for that.
ROTFL!! Thank you, I needed a good laugh today.
I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress.
OMG. Lots of prepper ads on the internet. I do admit to a good supply of canned food and such. We are well armed as well.
😂 Now you’re thinking one step ahead of the enemy—it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see that added to duck and cover!
"Duck and Cover" - as a child of the 1970's I am totally prepared for Total Nuclear Annihilation !
Where can we find school desks to hide under that will accommodate our rotundish adult bodies? Sheesh - another thing to worry about.
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I was told this when I lived in Japan during Fukushima and was offered a now-ubiquitous blue mask after stepping OFF a plane from Hokkaido onto the presumably fallout-drenched streets of Tokyo.
I laughed then. I'm not laughing now.
But it's the same thing. Cooties theory.
guttermouth.substack.com
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https://markchangizi.substack.com/p/cooties-drives-the-covid-beliefs?s=r
Ah, that was before I started following Mark, so I missed that one. Thanks for the rec.
I know Lakoff is deviously adept at tapping into the disgust center of the brain in his framing and advises others to do the same.
By sheer coincidence, I spent an entire semester of grad school immersed in Changizi's first two texts on sensation and perception (purely apolitical cognitive psychology stuff). When I first found his YouTube a year ago, I was like, "why is that name.... HOLY SHIT"
Here you go:
https://ipdit.substack.com/p/in-the-event-of-a-nuclear-explosion?s=w
Did it too. Ah naivety
Is that the snowflake or Karen’s flag now?
Haha, good point. Snowflake Karens, perhaps.
Correct. It is also my right to NOT wear one. That has been the point of contention the whole time. Wear your mask if it makes you feel better. Just know that’s all it’s doing…
(fighting off a bunch of Karens in a Trader Joe's aisle) "I want to die! Leave me alone!"
Pathetic, such a broken young human.
And many many more … i have a deep seated contempt for all the adults in their lives that were supposed to protect them . They failed miserably.
This is why I laugh, but never chastise mask wearers, because anyone should have the right to wear what they want, within the bounds of community standards, which of course should be held through public hearings. He can wear a boot on his head and run for office, good for him. He can wear a dress, good for him. That is freedom.
I'm about to go play golf, and maybe wear a mask because my allergies are in full spring mode. I'll take medicine and not wear a mask, mostly because I've never asked or been told a mask will help stop my allergies, as we were bombarded telling us masks stop covid. That is the true controversy. That should've been open to public debate and study BEFORE mandates, but we didn't get that in any shape or form, and we all know why.
I don't chastise. I DO smirk. And occasionally chuckle.
It seems only fair.
You’re a better person than I am. I’m working hard tempering my looks of open hostility and muttering things like “stupid m——- f———“ when I see people clinging to the mask narrative.
It’s been more than two years of this nonsense and I am so deeply disgusted with so many people and institutions in this country that It’s difficult to contain my anger. It’s.particularly difficult when people I care about have lost jobs and more for daring to go against the orthodoxy.
As for kids and their masks, we have managed to damage irreparably an entire generation. More customers for antidepressants and anxiety medications as the years go by.
I struggle with contempt for mask wearers. I don’t think it is really a matter of personal choice. What they are doing is senseless and encourages fear, which is the whole point of masks from the beginning. I have made a few rude comments that I don’t think we’re understood by the person, that’s probably for the best. God says to love our enemies, I don’t know how in this case. I do pray for them. Maybe the reason that they wear them is the mask is a subconscious call out for help.
Ha! Just saw this thread is a week old. Talking to myself again.
A talisman of a false religion. A charmaceutical intervention. Masks and needles are the icons of the death cult. The horror is in recognizing that adherents to this toxic faith do not care a whit that incalculable damage is the result of masking children and that even increasing body counts and terrible sickness can’t impact their beliefs.
Nope. The primitives didn’t care about the consequences to sacrificial children either. And they convinced the children who were to be slaughtered that there would be special rewards for them in the afterlife. Maybe it’s just me, but I see many parallels.
It’s definitely not just you, bro. The rebirth and flourishing of paganism is here.
Real pagans don't sacrifice our children.
We sacrifice our enemies. ✊
The adherents of molech burned their enemies’ children alive? That’s not my understanding. But thanks for the clarification.
The worshippers of Moloch and what they did is so riddled with jewish propaganda justifying their war and subsequent genocide of competing tribes for domination of the area, that any information beyond purely archeological is about as true as the christian propaganda about the perfidy of the non-christian romans.
Or for a modern day example, moslem newscasts about Europe and North America. Heck, imagine afghan history books 200 years from now telling about the great liberation war against the foreign heathens, ahteists, apostates and polytheists.
History is what's get retold until it becomes truth. What actually happened is a different animal, and we can only know what has been recorded and can be corroborated by findings and multiple independent sources.
So looking at jewish sources for the pefidy of the tribes worshipping Moloch is a bit like reading US history written by CRT-proponents.
The biblical records indicate that the Israelites themselves, when they began worshiping other gods, Moloch included, adopted the practice of burning their own children alive. I doubt that that was propaganda.
That multiple pagan deities have been demonstrably bloodthirsty is not even a point of contention. It is established.
I’m grateful that a perfect Sacrifice has been made and laid against my account, once for all.
Odin wants a sacrifice you had to work for.
Dedicating the killing of an enemy in open combat was considered among the highest most fitting form of blot (pronounced 'bloot', like in Groot or smooch).
Because no matter who won, Oden would get his due.
An early JAMA paper (2020?) on masking actually used the word “talisman”. Of course, the minute the journal got castigated for it, they put up a disclaimer.
I think the evidence shows that masks have had about as much effect as a lucky rabbit’s foot.
They may be useless, but gee, they sure are a huge pollution problem. How long is it going to be before “mask pollution caused by the pandemic” is going to be used as an excuse to steal more tax money?
And the oceans will be full of those stupid plastic Covid tests. I can’t get a straw but these people can test themselves endlessly? We’ve reached peak stupidity bit soon there will be another peak.
Maybe never, simply because evil plastic bags & straws are created by capitalist pigs to make $$, while masks were a “noble” cause dreamed up by DumocRATS
It will most likely be called “ a contributing factor “ in global warming
Ha
Do you know the title of the paper? I teach research and critical thinking at a college—would love to see it
One of the main instincts of us humans is the wish to belong to something greater than our own individuality. This is totally exacerbated in our adolescense.
This kid has grown in a easy environment, with no survival problems. So he looks for a way to channel that instinct, and found it in something as abstract as "protecting others" through gestures as masking himself. His sense of pride, his sense of belonging, the opinion others in his group will have of himself, all depend on wearing a fucking mask. Without it, he is just an individual. And he wants to be the meritory participant in something bigger than he is...To him, that´s more valuable than being intelligent or free.
My 15 yo grandson tried to give me a lecture on my lack of mask. I gave him a good dose of granny stink eye and he backed off. He calls himself a libertarian. I just laugh.
Astonishing at what people can stuff into a definition, right? We grannies are good at pointing that sort of nonsense out, though! Good job!
There is an indirect proportion between teenagers´ enthusiasm and their life experience, and it had never been a problem, because they have always had people above them who prevented their access to the public eye until they are mature enough. Sadly, social media has given them as big an amplifier as any adult has, without earning their way. This is so dangerous for their development...
That’s for sure. He knows everything. I guess I did to at 15 but the double edge sword of the internet wasn’t an influence. Thank God!!
He’s no libertarian! Next time smoke some pot in front of him. Libertarians love marijuana!
I love that. It’s legal here in Illinois. 🤣👍🏻
With any luck at all, he'll outgrow that, but yes, at this time, not only is he particularly vulnerable just as you say, but his parents are probably helping him right along with his virtue signaling.
He's just a kid. I wish I could go back and fix some of the dumb things I did when I was his age.... but none of us can. He's wrong, but not egregiously so (no one was harmed), and I hope that's the worst thing he ever does in his life.
And DeSantis CERTAINLY was not wrong in saying what he did. I looked upon it as "putting people at ease." Which I think DeSantis is very gifted at doing.
"To him, that´s more valuable than being intelligent or free." And to your excellent analysis, wearing the mask is much, much easier than all of the effort required to achieve more than just keeping a seat warm.
Exactly. This is very important. It has always been easier to "love Humanity" than really taking care of individuals...
Wait - Just like it was always MY right NOT to wear one the past 2 years but there was no tolerance for my rights? You do you, snowflake, & keep rebreathing CO2. Knock yourself out
Good point!
We are quickly arriving at a time when most people won’t be able to comprehend the comedic plots of Three Stooges movies.
You mean they're not serious?
Laurel and Hardy movies should be banned because their comedy is based on physical pratfalls. In today's brain dead world, people may actually believe that you can fall off a roof without getting hurt, and we can't have *that.* No comedy allowed. Stay safe! (sarcasm)
Loony Tunes & Merry Melodies cartoons as well 😂
Watch the movie “Idiocracy”. It was ahead of its time
LOL! Thanks!
Look, it is an individuals right to distance, wear masks and/or get experimental gene therapy injected into their bodies.. I personally think its a sad state that we have suffered the worlds greatest farce, but.... The part that worries me most is the lack of choice, the tyranny, and the wholesale corruption & deception...
De Santis was not ordering him to take his mask off, he was giving permission.
It is of course the student's right, even if it is stupid and wrong, to wear a mask. The student is not being forced to go maskless, and should also not force others to wear a mask.
If people would just start to understand again that something does not become banned when it is no longer compulsory, or does not become obligatory when it becomes an option, we would be in such a better place.
The problem is the attitide:"This is the Governor. He is an Authority Figure. I must obey Authority Figures. Anything an Authority Figure says is an order because they have Authority." Which, in a warped way, may make the kid's "defiance," a marginally good sign. Hewilling to buck at least some level of authority. Of course, that may be because he been taught De Santis is an illegitimate authority figure and must therefore be defied in the name of obedience to a higher authority.
Isn't the term for that, cutting your nose to spite your face? (no pun intended)
I mean, being "defiant" of authority solely for the sake of defiance when that defiance is NOT in your best interests is not exactly admirable, IMO.
Or, even something as simple as "Woo HOO, I'm gonna be on TV! I wanna make a splash!" Of course, none of this would have been anything at all if MSNBC hadn't grabbed it and run with it.
Always looking for the lowest common denominator, they are.
Ah, and to think I typed along for ages trying to say that very same thing, up above, but didn't say it nearly as eloquently as you did here. Excellent comment! I will learn from your literary skills!
Im picking that the whole headline is fake and nobody actually complained. Just trying to have a go at DeSantis and failing miserably if that's all they can concoct.
What's that "of course" doing there? In fact bans on mask-wearing in public have a long tradition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law
"Of course" refers to MSNBC, not law. So, in actual answer "of course" is 100% appropriate for the sentence. They are going to do whatever to make noise. Of course.
Oh, did Viv tell you that? It certainly isn't obvious from what they wrote.
Going forward, anyone wearing a mask is going to get the “sorry, I can’t understand you through the mask” treatment from me.
My father does this religiously (he's hard of hearing but is mainly leveraging it to be a pain in the ass) and the results are hilarious: they invariably out of frustration eventually take it off long enough to talk and spray dad with their instant death cooties.
I'm very visual so when I'm talking with someone I need to see their face, their emotions, their lips. I've said so often during mask mandate to anyone who was talking with me with their mask, "I'm sorry mask court your mouth. I hardly understand what you're talking about." No pun intended
*cover not court. Gaaahh stupid autocorrecr
I’ve started doing that some.
Look, if the kid took his mask off the moment he got yelled at to do that, he'd also be an obedient dog! Let him do whatever he wants!!
People are brainwashed and genuinely believe this is a good thing. As I start to go back into society and get out of my Gato-Berenson thought bubble, I am frightened to see what a small minority we are. In the big "out there" these dissenting opinions barely exist. It's like no one heard of them. Of course, masks are good, you can't have too many boosters, etc. etc. Are you questioning that the sun will rise in the morning? The brainwashing is appaling -- and I am talking about top scientists at elite institutions! How do you expect a kid to know better? Well, the miracle is that a few kids and their parents know better, regardless of education. I am coming to believe that this is how society ever goes forward, driven by those 10%.
Fear is a powerful emotion - many times in human history it has superseded rational thinking and just basic common sense. I see it everyday on the solo masked drivers, bikers and walkers. Fear rules their day - sad and pathetic.
stupidity is evidently a much more common master
I liked the Babylon Bee's take on the event- "Governor DeSantis Bullies Teens Into Doing Whatever They Want."
you humans, so intent on destroying each other... kittens WILL rule the world.
Could you do it without crapping in my garden???? I fished out two separate clumps in 15 seconds yesterday.
Speaking on behalf of every cat that has ever owned me: Apparently not.
I *REALLY* wanna heart your comment, Lara - for the ownership reversal thing you did there. But I've gotten to the point where my hands have come out yucky... and I've bagged/tagged it on the neighbor's fence. I'm up to here (hand above my head) in dealing with it. gaaaah..
Maybe if you crapped in the neighbor's yard? 🤣
I like it. But besides the cameras they have out front, laws against pooping in public, my DNA results are being shared in a publicly available database. If only I could find a volunteer... Lara?
🤣 Yeah, my DNA is out there, too.
Maybe nude sunbathing in the front yard? Only works if they're prudish, though.
I do feel your pain. And understand completely.
He's another authoritarian, he passed an anti protest bill a few years ago that was later deemed UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
And he signed a recent bill that gives hospitals indemnity, so they can keep murdering people with remdesevir and ventilators.
Make politicians afraid again
I’m still suspicious of him. Many pols do seemingly good just for political capital. Well. Most. Until they get the power. So I’m reserving judgment. I’m too cynical now. Gee, wonder where I got that.
It’s not a Right, it’s a freedom. We have to start teaching people Freedom is not a Right, Licence is not a Right. Rights under Common Law are passive which nobody has an obligation to provide, it’s legislation that establishes positive Rights which places an obligation to provide - usually the State. And under Common Law you may not trample on the Rights of others in the exercise of your Rights: my Right to swing my fist, stops where your nose starts.
I blame the schools and the absence of flogging.
https://tenor.com/view/kids-need-to-know-they-suck-kids-children-suck-bitter-gif-9294711
2 years governments, media, and health officials pounded covid into peoples heads. Unsurprisingly, when they finally pull the nail out some folks really did buy into it all and will be lost for the near future, social apparitions who don't understand what is happening and why. I feel sorry for them - but will lock horns with them if they try to wind the clock back
Oh, and to our betters who created these monsters, your time will come
"betters?" In their minds only.....I don't have any "betters," and would never consider calling them that. Surely you wouldn't really, either? (Otherwise, I agree 100%)
I meant it in a contemptuous tone
I know. I wasn't correcting you. Just making a point. Also, it's early and my coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Be kind :-)
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I’m fine with it. Easy to know who to avoid.
“I am a moron , and it makes me proud?” I wonder what he’s a student of? Critical race theory?
As far as I can ascertain, ALL thinking has been banned at most universities.
It’s the new dunce cap. I’m glad they identify themselves as such.
I will never forgive the Coronamaniacs for the harm they've caused.
https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/ill-never-forgive-the-coronamaniacs?s=w
But sure, wear your mask forever. Wear it to sleep, too. Because that virus is actively seeking the inside of your nose, 24/7!
Future med student, no doubt.
Today, the mask mandate in Queensland (Australia) was lifted. I went down to the Gold Coast for a bit of shopping, and was so relieved to see so many people back to normal. However, there were of course the expected handful of hypnotised ones still wearing masks. Which is ok - but here is the kicker: HALF of them were wearing their masks under their noses (or worse - one had it down around his neck).
Truly, my hopes for humanity reached a new low... the zombie apocalypse has surely arrived!
Good for you australians! Here's to hoping the shame of being fooled and coerced shakes enough people out of their torpor and riles them up enough that they want to get even with your governement and other unprintables.
Here, the perpetually panicked have bought up all iodine - of all kinds no less - from the pharmacies. In case of Russia deciding to launch nuclear weapons.
And the worst of them are calling for governement to seize control of all markets and start rationing, and for officials to go house to house and take inventory of whatever you have stored to ensure equal and fair distribution.
Evil doesn't stop - evil must /be stopped/.
Tried to like the comment, but the heart won't light up. Wonderful to hear, Mara! Great news. Up here in Canuckistan we are still forced to mask but our vax passport was lifted this week. Today dh and I went to WallyMart and strolled maskless once again, as we do so appreciate hard stares :^) As we were exiting with our bags, we passed an in-store MacDonald's. Dh suggested we go in for lunch. I snorted and said, "Yeah, right. In your dreams," until I realized I could actually take this unvaxxed body into a restaurant once again. I despise MacDonald's but quickly said yes and we walked in - albeit cautiously as we were certain security alarms would start mee-mawing - but the entry was uneventful - and let me add, it was one wonderful Big Mac!
I don't think "down around his neck" is "worse." Maybe he forgot (or missed the news) which day was face-freedom day, automatically put his mask on, only to see a sea of faces for the 1st time in 2 years. So pulled his down in sheer relief in the fastest way possible.
And the ones with their noses free... maybe just need a little time to wean themselves. Testing the fresh air first. Like sticking your toes in the water 1st. At least they're making an effort to wake up & smell the coffee!
I am not sure they are actually making that effort. I think more likely they are afraid not to continue what they are used to. But maybe - just maybe - it's a step in the right direction! I'm in Texas where mask mandates aren't a thing, and still we have a lot of people wearing masks. I'm like, OK whatever makes you happy, but I am not wearing one.
Hello, all you kind - though misguided - people defending this boy's right to wear a mask. Do I have a right to wear a balaclava when I go to the bank? Or do we recognise that masks spread fear and shouldn't be worn without need?
Unless this student was likely to be accused of robbing a bank, while out in the open, wearing a mask and several people around, he should be left alone to wear a mask if he chooses. Not only is it none of our business, (and certainly it's not up to us to decide what other people "need,") WE ARE NOT MISGUIDED in saying people should be left alone to do as they choose, as long as they are harming no one.
Everything you said can also be said of a person's right to own and carry a gun. No, people aren't allowed to wear a balaclava - OR A GUN - to the bank, generally speaking, but this has not until recently carried over into life away from a bank. It should have ALWAYS been this way.
There's a reason a balaclava isn't allowed at a bank (*nor should masks be allowed at a bank either) but when one is away from the bank, either is allowable, IMO. Because it's not MY or your business to decide what someone else wears, as long as the private parts are covered.
It's no better to demand that a person NOT wear something than it is to demand that they DO wear something. (Edited to add: But I certainly don't think DeSantis was wrong in anything he did.)
If you were riding the fence any harder you'd be coughing up sawdust.
Nonsense. I am absolutely in favor of making one's own choices. That is NOT riding the fence. You are choosing to throw out the baby with the bath water.
Call your balaclava a hijab and you're set to go. Gotta protect them religious freedoms you know.
Private companies have rights to make decisions about who can enter their premises, and dress codes on their premises (no shoes? No shirt! No service!)
Such as "No Blacks"? Or "Blacks Only" for that matter. I'm not so sure you'd be okay with that if you're a USAmerican, but I reserve the right for you to prove me wrong.
I'll rephrase that they have dress code rights. Pre-covid masks & bacalavas were not allowed in banks. For a while there I remember seeing "no hats" on bank signs. Tough in January in Maine. And my entire life I've seen "no shirts, no service" & " no shoes, no service" at beachside restaurants from Jersey to Maine.
I'll happily give you that - and a big thank you for being the bigger man (or woman but who knows these days). Of course there is a huge difference between "No shirt no service" and "Juden Verboten": a shirt you can take on or off, being jewish or white or black or whatever isn't a shirt.
Which puts the jab in an interesting spot, don't you think? Since it doesn't protect against spread of infection, one cannot argue that "No vaxxx no service" is valid. On the other hand, getting injected is (still) voluntary (though the spirit of 'volunatry' has been violated to the point of needing a rape counselor) so from that angle denial of service pending status is valid.
About the balaclava, as I think I replied to someone else - call it a hijab, a burkha or simply a veil that's a religious requirement and hey ho the bank is violating your freedom of religion. :) Hilarious doesn't begin to describe it, especially if you obviously is a white male claiming to be an arab moslem woman.
Tell that kid he has to wear the mask for the rest of his life, just to be on the safe side. Insist he follow through with it. That if he ever has kids (if his sperm still works, if the womens uterus still functions) those kids will also be masked their WHOLE lives. Go with it.
I dunno... When I was in the military, I was issued "BC's" - Birth Control glasses. I imagine a mask will probably be a much more effective device at preventing a sexual encounter where sperm CAN play a role when approached by someone of the opposite gender. (Oh dear, did I just anthropomorphize sperm?)
But but but...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/13/face-masks-make-people-look-more-attractive-study-finds
I *REALLY* don't want to resurrect the old meme about Brits and bad dental work... But I think this is what they're REALLY complaining about.
I like it. Go for broke with the masks. They want to wear them? Then I better not see them without it. Forever. I will laugh and laugh and laugh
The kicker is in the interview DeSantis gave the next day (I think it might've been to Tucker Carlson?): he had seen these kids just prior to the event, and none of them were wearing masks. It was patently obvious that someone made them put them on for the cameras. Given that, I'd say his reaction makes even more sense than it already did.
They forgot to mention that one of the guys in the front row just after his mic stand immediately ripped the thing off once he heard that, and looked quite pleased. That's a tie.
Um... (to that "student") no one has ever said you *couldn't* wear your ridiculous mask that identifies you as a cowardly slave to a system that is doing it's best to destroy every good thing we had in the world. All most of us have been saying is masks should have *never* been mandatory. If masks were a way to stop disease of any kind, we would have been born with one (oh, that's right, we were... tonsils, adenoids, mucus, tiny hairs in our sinus passages, etc). Or, for the die hard Darwinists, we would have evolved with a big flap over our face. This mask insanity was one of the most effective mind screwings ever conceived by these devilish social engineers. And man did it work on most of the population. My disappointment with most of humanity over the last 2 years is something I don't think I'll ever recover from.
The kid is just an attention whore or being paid or otherwise encouraged by political operatives. It was clear what the governor said.
And when is the CDC going to reveal that cloth masks are totally ineffective and that N95s are marginally effective at best? Maybe that would help the fear.
I've read - but you know how that is - that people tend to stick by their original opinions, once convinced of a stance, whether right or wrong. I don't think the CDC can say a single thing that will help in this instance. At this point no one believes anything they say anyway, and most of us believe we'd ALL be better off if they would go find a nice tall cliff to jump off, like the lemmings they have proven to be.
Will it help to say the science has changed??? (asking for a friend. OK. OK. The female Asian doctor (Wen?) on CNN is *NOT* my friend.)
These kids are parroting their #Democrat parents. The whole situation was a set up to catch DeSantis in a photo like Stacey Abrams with kids with masks on behind a mask less DeSantis. Only problem is DeSantis recognized it and stole their thunder. It was #brilliant And now they’re pissed off they got caught.
Speaking of that dog and leash thingy: Wasn't it only a few years ago that the media were talking about those vicious Ukrainian gangs infesting all of Europe with their drug and human trafficking? How abused Ukrainian girls were hooking at every truck stop from Romania to Calais? How these guys made the Mexican cartels look like traveling Bible salesmen?
And now every cable channel is featuring brave wonderfully English-speaking Ukrainian moms holding their newborns while they talk to anchors for hours?
I mean, look. I'm considerably upset about the death and destruction. The blood and bones of my ancestors are in that soil. My grandma spoke Yiddish, Ukrainian and Russian and her journey here was harrowing and my mom just managed to be born here. Thinking of that journey of a young pregnant woman who'd survived the pogroms and the Ukrainian Civil War silences me whenever I feel cranky about things.
But seriously. Something smells here like herring left out in the sun for a fortnight. Talk about the "look, a squirrel!" bait-'n-switch thingy!
How much do we want to bet that whoever set this up (put the students there behind DeSantis) wanted all this controversy. It was obviously intentional
It was tragic to see some of the students looking around as they removed their masks, as if they needed group approval. A few were wearing their mask as if they were not going to be fooled into becoming ill or more likely worried what others might think. Modern society has most certainly damaged a lot of children who now have difficulty in thinking for themselves. While the uncertainties of middle school force great conformity, by high school and college they need to become themselves.
I think that is what all these jabbaholics have. And a bad case at that
Governor desantis for president
Jabbaholics. I like that.
In Japan, and I suspect in many countries, "This way of thinking stems not from simple vanity, but from anxiety. One 20-year-old woman interviewed during that survey insists that she will never give up wearing a mask because she is no longer brave enough to show her real face in public. Overhearing a group of men express disappointment at seeing her face when she removed her mask to eat at a restaurant, she became depressed. She says she would rather wear a mask than subject her real face to public scrutiny and open herself up to criticism."
https://www.new-thinking.online/health/mask-dependency-why-the-japanese-wont-be-ditching-their-face-masks-anytime-soon
I’m sure that is a reason many teens don’t either. Tailor made excuse to be one of the herd and not be subject to peer scrutiny.
If I had to critique:
His first words were "You do not have to wear those masks." Maybe he should have left it at that. But saying "please take them off... it's not doing anything...this is theater... this is ridiculous" (all true!) is what I think people are upset about. True, he said, "if you want to wear them, fine," but by then if it was clear that those who chose to keep their masks on were fools. Which they are. But it's humiliating, nonetheless.
I can see how some of the more, uh... "sensitive" students may have felt pressure to take their masks off when they really aren't comfortable, which is another issue altogether. Those who announce that they are keeping their masks on in spite of lifted mandates is, in my opinion, an indication of mental instability. We're just able to point them out more easily now. Like this nut: https://www.instagram.com/p/CasRrMnuLXB/?utm_medium=copy_link
I ABSOLUTELY despise masks and I have let people in my company know that if they would like to remove their masks around me, they are more than welcome to do so and I leave it at that. Some still keep their masks on.
As much as I want to tell strangers to take their masks off, it's really no less of an A-hole thing to do than for a stranger to tell me to put one on.
You never had a mask Nazi Ken or Karen tell you to put one on in the past 2 years? Even if you didn’t, I felt the same “humiliation” being forced to wear one. This imbecile has a choice; by mandate those of us who believed in bodily autonomy theoretically did not (I never wore one but the mandate was always there & many businesses enforced)
I had an actual nazi named Karen do that and escort me out of the building.
Where of where was this student’s independent and rebellious spirit for the last two years! I have never understood how these students did not put up more of a fight as we took away all their freedoms and cast the aside without a thought.
Who’s paying the bills. They are totally leashed in so many ways. They will look for the leash when they are out of school as well. Why I’m glad I won’t be around by the time they are trying to leash others.
Credit “public education” of the past 50 or so years….
That's why all the totalitarians in history demanded to be in charge of the schools. Get the minds while they are ignorant, naive and pliable...
If you want to see the whole exchange, use the link below. Not sure how one of the moms thinks this is bullying, but, then again, she raised a simp.
https://www.wfla.com/news/hillsborough-county/stop-bullying-kids-students-parents-respond-to-gov-desantis-telling-students-to-take-off-their-masks/
Kudos to DeSantis. Bullying? No. If the child wanted to leave it on because that’s what his mother told him. So be it. If, I had a nickle every time my kids listened to me. Haha.
He probably did use the situation to make his point. Where was his team ahead of his entrance they could of said the same thing
And argues that she is immunocompromised while not wearing a mask herself. https://mobile.twitter.com/WFLAJustin/status/1499574063550844933
Poor kids have been brainwashed. Why would anyone think these masks protect you from a virus. It is laughable and sad.
Why? Because children tend to believe what their parents tell them. WE (the parents) have had a large portion of our lives without masks, and even still a huge number of adults actually have believed this crap from the beginning. And... they taught their children, who have been exposed to this same garbage for a very large percentage of their lives. The more reasonable question is "why wouldn't they think that?" So, let's laugh at the idiot adults, not the children who are doing what most children do... believe their parents.
Unfortunately I know what's going on all too well.
This is called Market Capture. I would recommend any thinkers take Computer and Economic/Business processes and apply it to the psychological aspects of Covid19 including anything to do with how the Vaccine works. This effort was a result of the coldest parts of humanity, understanding it from there may help the eventual mental health situation.
Depending how deep your read, the West may just become a Zoo for the vaccinated because they will be gone from us. Totally addicted to the system and due to the DDOS of dopamine destroyed mind they can't actually even make the decision to stop the psychosis - they don't even have time to form the complex ideas required to break the spell so to say. They can quote and refer to other material, but they cannot create their own unique idea.
Just observations.
THE MOTHER WAS NOT WEARING A MASK!!
That is because the mom probably got the worse than useless "vaccine" and her son didn't so he is a leper and needs to wear a mask around the oldsters. Once he gets the worse than useless vaccine he can stop wearing a mask and both mom and son can go around spewing the common cold just like humans have done for centuries.
Maybe this was the kid's version of teenage rebellion!
Apparently there is even a study that many people find others with masks more attractive. Looking at some of those people I can even understand it - hoping I don’t have to hold up the SARCASM sign.
At the risk of being sexist, here in Puerto Rico there is a LOT of beauty being hidden behind the stupid masks.
sounds political to me
That's probably the most reasonable assessment of the situation. The student found an opportunity to get noticed and to make a political point (aided by parents?)
I think it's more than Stockholm syndrome. These people have enjoyed the privilege of bullying their peers, and feeling virtuous for doing so, for two years now. They really don't want to give it up.