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Considering that we get neither reliable infrastructure nor protection from violence nor secure borders, I'd say that kid has given the most accurate answer possible.

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Worse yet, we're paying for destructive policies. Like a construction contractor who burns your house down and hands you a bill.

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Like the Chinese family who have to pay for the bullet used to execute their relative.

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Meantime, none of the criminals (including illegal aliens) get arrested or are released almost immediately. The only “criminals” recognized by the left are law abiding legal citizens.

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Anarchotyranny is a weird way to run a civilization.

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No kidding

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we are coerced into complying by a top down mafia of American (globalist?) oligarchs (thanks Davos!)

print the fiat--> inflate the assets--> blame proprietors for "gouging"--> raise taxes

..all while ignoring the direct mathematical relationship between taxed thing goes up more taxes collected....

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Daily reminder that the Federal Reserve and the IRS were conceived by the same Khazarian mafia.

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don't forget they're spending the American Rescue Act money on (checks notes) tourism.

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Or state worker pensions. Pisses me off.

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Historically, the Mafia run a pretty tight ship. I think they would be insulted by that comparison. When the world falls into anarchy I suspect southern Italy will keep chugging along just fine.

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True and traditional Mafia tend to avoid harming women and children, even of their rivals and they despise snitches. By contrast Washington kills and maims innocents round the clock, it's the leakiest rumor mill on the planet and all of them so cowardly they'll flip and snitch to save their own skin in a New York minute. Old Beltway Bandit moniker for the high ranking untouchables was Teflon Dons because nothing thrown at them ever stuck! :~)

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Wrong mafia.

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"Why do you pay property taxes?"

So the king doesn't confiscate your home which you don't really own despite having paid for it in full.

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I've never owned a house but this is one of the things I could never get my head around. Just ever. Because people want the local HS to have the facility and extras of an Ivy League college.

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Oh, no, it has nothing at all to do with expenditures the public wants. You pay property tax simply for existing and owning property. The assessed market value of your property is the only determinant. The shittiest warzones in Brooklyn have property taxes bad enough to put folks out of their homes if they're not getting subsidies.

Property tax is one of those things that makes me angry on such a visceral level. "We own you."

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I now live in a town that likes to pretend it's a city, and I was foolish enough to volunteer to serve on an advisory committee of the City Council, and--please pardon my own guttermouth--I never saw so many dumb fucks in my life and their utter and complete inability to run anything at all. Municipal money down the toilet like it was Niagara Falls.

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That'll teach you to give a shit.

It's easy to spend other people's money, isn't it? I think Lenin actually said that at one point.

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Yeah, well, for my whole tenure (interrupted by The Plague because I refused to attend Zoom meetings) I was essentially the Peasant Rebellion. Vice Chair--and I swear this is true--told me it was "noble" of me to care about the needs of the citizenry for transportation but...

Guess how much they hated me--and especially all those letters o' mine published in the regional paper calling out every idiocy of the City Council. They seriously wanted me to moderate my tone...(I wrote as a private citizen and not in my laughable "official" capacity...)

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Holy shit. So you were basically a domestic terrorist before we had a name for it.

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Same here. It makes me furious to think that a person could pay for his home, but have it confiscated for failure to pay the property tax. It's robbery, plain and simple. I don't mind paying the special assessments that cover community things like fire protection, public works, schools (well, not schools any more!) etc. A perpetual tax year after year based on THEIR assessment of the value of your home isn't right. As I said, robbery.

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We get to pay (at least partially) for the schools with our license plates.

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I assume non-drivers are a negligible number?

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Yes.

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What does that emoji mean?

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Funny thing. In the long-ago, when I was still a Noo Yawkuh and working full-time and paying federal, state and local taxes, and despite a pretty modest lifestyle was living pretty much paycheck-to-paycheck (not entirely my fault but that's another story), I felt at least I was doing my part, helping to provide services and assistance to those in real need, so it was all worth it, wasn't it?

Nah, it wasn't. It was thievery of the highest order and I'd have done better living in the shadow of the Sheriff of Nottingham, really. But I needed to learn that by living overseas, where I got to know people who were actually poor, and that they were all individuals and not a sub-species of human, and giving people stuff for free makes them not value it in the least, because otherwise why would you just hand it out to anyone?

Man, school never ends. That's horrible fate if anything is...

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at least all the NYPD has their faces stuffed into an iphone OLED (department issue at what cost) so they can't observe the armed people heading into the subways 🤷‍♀️

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I hated the damned subway at the best of times. Eventually I tightened the belt enough to pay for the express bus. Eventually the Lord liftethed me out and put me down in what does really creditably as the promised land. Nick of time, apparently.

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As a CPA, I've always said "my job is to keep you out of jail for not paying taxes." Given that if the taxpayer goes to jail and I helped him, I'd likely go too, this was a very important goal for me. Never pay a tax you don't owe, but never NOT pay the taxes you DO owe (as defined by the IRS).

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Can you define the codes that make the average American responsible for paying federal income tax if they are not a federal employee or a person who sells tobacco and firearms or lives in Guam and Puerto Rico? Because the IRS hasn't been able to define this, so I'm curious your take.

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Of course they have defined it.

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Is it legal for the IRS to collect taxes?

The Law: The Sixteenth Amendment provides that Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on income, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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Now, you may not like it; you may think that it doesn't apply or isn't actually constitutional, or whatever. But disobey it at your own peril.

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As Thomas Freed has said, regardless of any power to create a tax, there must also be the ability to write law to enforce it. "The fact that the 16th Amendment never gives Congress the authority to

write law with respect to the enforcement of this alleged direct taxing power....is just ignored...."

Notice that Congress has the power to tax us, but only under the limits and constraints of the

Constitutions. And next....

Notice that Congress can tax Federal Citizens, both Territorial and Municipal, any way it wishes to tax them. Constitutional constraints don't apply to Federal Employees and their direct dependents.

So...

This is another case of the foreign court system operating under Roman Law and "Let him who will be deceived, be deceived."

So American Readers should now know that this law was created for and applied to whom? United

States Citizens and "citizens of the United States" ---- Federal Employees and their Dependents, in other words. (There are five types of Citizens in America, by the way, so changing one's political status is also a very important step, though one can make a strong case regardless of this step.)

Federal workers are not in receipt of any Constitutional guarantees, so they were fair game and not

protected by Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3, nor by Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4. Federal citizens of both kinds, military and Federal Civil Service, are defined by the Constitutions and are not parties to these agreements, so they can be abused at will. Simply by redefining all of us as "Volunteers" working for the Federal Government for free, as "Withholding Agents", they could strip us of our constitutional protections, too. And they did.

Also, HR - 1 [House Resolution 1] of 2017 is a tacit admission of wrong-doing with respect to the so-called Sixteenth Amendment, in that it attempts to redefine the taxing authority under which the "Income Tax" is collected and to place it under the general taxation provisions of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1.

So what does this change in the source of claimed authority from the Sixteenth Amendment to

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 do?

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 contains no ability and no claim to the ability to impose an un-

apportioned direct tax on us and our earnings and salaries.

If Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 is the only basis for the income tax, then it must also take the form of

an impost, duty, or excise tax and the source of that impost, duty, or excise tax must be explicitly

stated in the written law and that source must be taxable.

And we already know that 15 USC 17 specifically excludes any "excise taxation of labor", and we also

know that as originally enacted in 1913 and still maintained as Subtitle A, Chapters 1-6, the intended "foreign persons" were all the Federal Employees, so that there is no possible application to the earnings and salaries of Joe Average Americans working in these United States.

Take home message --- direct un-apportioned taxation of the earnings and salaries of average

Americans as Federal "income" has always been illegal. They simply contrived to get around this fact by: (1) alleging that we "volunteered" to act as Federal Employees (Withholding Agents) and (2) misidentifying us as British Territorial Citizens and/or

Municipal citizens of the United States at birth.

This "unlawful conversion" of our political status stripped us of our Constitutional protections and

guarantees and having converted us into "Federal Citizens" then made us subject to whatever taxes

they imposed on their own employees.

And of course, the 16th Amendment was ratified by only two state of states, certainly not the number any amendment needs.

Technically, you have never owed any income tax, ever, in your life. The very word “income” is a

corporate accounting term. Corporations accrue income. Living people accrue property. That’s the legal definition long and short of it.

They play plenty of semantics games, but in the end, 99% of Americans never owed a "Federal Income" Tax, but they certainly are thankful for all the volunteers.

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I get it, don't even disagree, but don't call me from your prison cell. There are many things wrong with the way we are governed. Won't even argue this isn't one of them. But too many people have tried and failed to remedy this.

Good luck.

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I hear you, I do. Fear is a powerful tool. Paperwork gets one into the mess, paperwork can get one out of the mess. So to say it's as simple as just stop paying taxes is shortsighted, for sure. And then it's rebutting any threats they send over mail (fraudulently sent, btw - state abbreviations and zip codes are both forms of fraud if you dig in a bit...). There are millions of people who have revoked their voluntary election to pay taxes - it's the people who try to get a refund for past taxes that get busted and then also, there are plenty of tax paying people who are thrown in jail anyways because they filed wrong. So there is always risk. Thanks!

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Look, I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST NIGHT.

People do not get thrown in jail for "filing wrong." Have you ever actually BEEN to tax court? I have, as a (thank goodness) viewer, not a participant. This is not a place I want to be. But you do you. Just quit trying to convince people it's as simple as "revoking their voluntary election to pay taxes."

When I say it's my job to keep people (my clients) out of jail, I ACTUALLY MEAN THAT. No pie in the sky crap.

Have a good day.

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Clearly this was a worksheet for low to mid-range earners. High earners don't get arrested if they don't pay taxes.

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And if you think about it, why do we have to pay taxes if the government can print up however much money it needs. It just printed up $40 billion for Ukraine. So, paying taxes has NOTHING to do with funding the DC shithole and everything to do with social re-engineering.

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tada team "why do we need taxes if you just print the fiat and mint $1T coins?"

don't let a majority of humans understand this or our overlords might get upset

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I think you've made the best observation I've seen in a long, long time.

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Not a new practice, apparently. My mother was born in 1921, and before she died in 2016 I was talking with her about how the government prints money and she laughed, saying that the government has always done that.

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Yes the difference is that prior to 1971, our dollar was backed by gold meaning the government could not print more dollars than what they had in gold. That kept inflation in check. Thanks to Nixon, in 1971, he took us off the gold standard and now money is printed and backed by nothing.

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Pity. But that kid is right.

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Just theft at the point of a gun. It's a sickness to pretend its anything else.

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Government is force.

Taxation is theft.

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Someone has to fund the government's "corruption coin" currency.

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when the people find out they could just "print the fiat" instead of stealing from us via taxes then the whole jig is up

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But they are doing that. They are doing both and the jig continues.

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how many people are still wearing masks? ;)

we have a lot of work to do

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Enough to keep the trail of plastic pollution going in my general area. Found some dog poo that had at least one blue mask in it.

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As gato would say; they are trying to go along to get along (while getting fleeced the whole way)

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That's so sad, but luckily the dog was able to pass it and not end up with an intestinal blockage needing surgery.

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A LOT! The libtards in Commifornia are crazy…outside, alone, in the fresh air. I want to shake them and say “WAKE THE F UP!”

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And probably will continue

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During the Obama yrs, this was suggested by one of his plebs.

“He controls the printing press, he should just print more of it.”

I’m not surprised the pleb voted for Obama, wouldn’t be shocked if the pleb voted for Biden.

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Inflationary. Read Beardsley Ruml.

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May 27, 2022·edited May 27, 2022

(From the UK) if I was the CEO of one of the energy companies just hit by a windfall tax I would just refuse to pay it. Unless it is in a governments manifesto then it shouldn’t come to light. If I was running a company and a campaign promised more tax on profits of said business I would move operations to the least tax offensive place.

As it happens, I am working on a book of radical policy in the UK which centre around reducing the govt expense to 10% of GDP and the tax burden to around 15% in total per head.

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it's valid strategy but this same tactic was used AGAINST America in that all of our "dirty" industry was taxed/regulated right on over to China/Asia/Mexico (Mexico makes more sense as shares land mass) which is how they get you to send the communists the means of production and kneecap you from what was an American opportunity.

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Here in the UK, our idiotic government has just decided to tax the energy companies a load. Thus proving that the government are a bunch of idiots.

Prices are high because there is not enough supply to meet demand.

If you tax something, you get less of it (increased cost).

so what they've gone and done is to tax supply even more...

What they should actually be doing is lowering the taxes and encouraging more drilling and fracking, which would increase supply and lower prices.

(And also end the sanctions on Russia which aren't doing anything to hurt Russia as India and China are just buying their oil, but only hurt our people with higher prices. Great.)

Sometimes I wonder how these muppets get to be in charge...

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Ah but they did give us £400. Pro-rated. Through our energy companies.

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How much is that after taxes? lol (sort of)

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Personally I think we need a massive tax strike.

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Yes and it would also be a massive improvement if folks would move their money out of FED banks into local credit unions. Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, HSBC etc are gigantic with our consumer dollars and transactions. Starve the crooks. https://moveyourmoneyproject.org/us/

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They only understand money and power. Maybe we should take back ours!

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Silly child, very few people go to jail for not paying taxes. Generally you get a series of threatening letters over a period of 90 days that might not get to your house, then a lien is placed against you and then the taxing authority garnishes your wages or seizes all the funds in your bank account. Wage garnishment is in place until you pay in full, and bank garnishments can be done regularly until either the taxes are paid in full or you become "unbanked"

The taxing authority can seize any stocks, bonds, or debts owed to you as well, and though it is possible to seize safety deposit boxes and cars, generally it is not considered worth the struggle except to frighten other potential debtors

Taxation is an exercise is state-terror perpetuated on the citizens of its own country, but on the whole, only high profile people like John McAfee go to jail. Though not, I suppose, for very long.

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Why the need for digital currency if they can already destroy your life through these means?

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Cuts down on the overhead, staff and locales needed. Also, a fully digital system can be automated, and cannot be held accountable on the off chance a citizen actually gets their day in court.

"The will of the gods" is now "Oh, the computer must have made an error".

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Poor soul who wrote that honest answer. Will likely die in a gulag.

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When did I sign up and agree to support the Government financially?

Asking for that guy over there..

Lemme know.

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You already know, quite well. When you signed Social Security and tax forms sworn under penalties of perjury. Why do people keep ignoring the vicious elephant in the room? Let us all thank Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Richard Milhous Nixon, and the Silent Majority's acquiescence to it all.

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And thank you Nixon for eliminating the Gold Standard…good job…

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It wasn't eliminated! Sandra Day O'Connor (TWA v Franklin Mint cases) declared Federal Reserve notes, "checkbook money", and Special Drawing Rights are gold, at $42.22/Troy ounce, and Bretton-Woods is still in effect. You just have to pay a higher price if you want physical, for looks, electronics, or whatever.

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Bring on the #dogecoin standard!

$Shib also acceptable

Wait are you waiting for?

Get on it!

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I’ll pass.

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Thanks for letting me know...

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That's why I pay property taxes every spring?

Weird.

Thanks tho.

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Hopefully, you're also paying the Fall portion.

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Nope. One lump sum... Just get the pain over with as quickly as possible.

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So, you do pay the Fall installment. You just pay it in the Spring with the Spring installment. --- I agree. Pay it all at once. I guess that's how they'll take our homes. They won't give us enough to pay the taxes.

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You had to swear something (other than bank papers) under penalties of perjury to obtain the property? I hadn't known.

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